OPERATION DEFENSIVE EDGE - Harry Fear Live from Gaza

[Sinny]

Any links to tthat info,Sinny? About Israel creating Hamas?

Thanks!

Not yet, I've not investigated the claim... You could do it for me

[Littleenki]

Already did  a bit....this from a fairly decent source..
WSJ

Oops...

When Israel first encountered Islamists in Gaza in the 1970s and '80s, they seemed focused on studying the Quran, not on confrontation with Israel. The Israeli government officially recognized a precursor to Hamas called Mujama Al-Islamiya, registering the group as a charity. It allowed Mujama members to set up an Islamic university and build mosques, clubs and schools. Crucially, Israel often stood aside when the Islamists and their secular left-wing Palestinian rivals battled, sometimes violently, for influence in both Gaza and the West Bank.

"When I look back at the chain of events I think we made a mistake," says David Hacham, who worked in Gaza in the late 1980s and early '90s as an Arab-affairs expert in the Israeli military. "But at the time nobody thought about the possible results."   

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB123275572295011847

Cheers!

[robomont]

  http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/israelgaza-conflict-the-secret-report-that-helps-israelis-to-hide-facts-9630765.html  heres a link to the propaganda machine.

[robomont]

   http://boycottisraeltoday.wordpress.com/boycott-israel/  boycott any bar code starting with 729.

[robomont]

http://mirajnews.com/article/opinion/israeli-products-boycott/   soda stream and victorias secret

[thorfourwinds]

Hamas May Not Have Kidnapped Israeli Teens -- NYMag

By Katie Zavadski

When the bodies of three Israeli teenagers, kidnapped in the West Bank, were found late last month, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu did not mince words. "Hamas is responsible, and Hamas will pay," he said, initiating a campaign that eventually escalated into the present conflict in the region.


On 15 June, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that the teens had been kidnapped by Hamas, which Hamas denied. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas maintained that as of 22 June there was no evidence that Hamas was behind the kidnapping. Hamas denied any involvement in the kidnapping.


But now, Israeli officials admit the kidnappings were not Hamas's handiwork after all.

(Update: The comments from the Israeli spokesperson in question indicate that the group thought to be responsible, a "lone cell," may not have been under direct orders from Hamas's leadership, but was loosely affiliated with the group. The headline of this post has been changed to reflect that discrepancy. See below for more.)

BuzzFeed reporter Sheera Frenkel was among the first to suggest that it was unlikely that Hamas was behind the deaths of Gilad Shaar, Naftali Frenkel, and Eyal Yifrach. Citing Palestinian sources and experts in the field, Frenkel reported that kidnapping three Israeli teens would be a foolish move for Hamas.

International experts told her it was likely the work of a local group, acting without concern for the repercussions:

[Gershon Baskin] pointed out that Hamas has earlier this month signed an agreement to form a unity government with Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas, bridging, for the first time in seven years, the Palestinian leadership in the West Bank and Gaza.

"They will lose their reconciliation agreement with Abbas if they do take responsibility for [the kidnappings]," Baskin added.

Today, she may have been proven right:

Repeated inconsistencies in Israeli descriptions of the situation have sparked debate over whether Israel wanted to provoke Hamas into a confrontation. Israeli intelligence is also said to have known that the boys were dead shortly after they disappeared, but to have maintained public optimism about their safe return to beef up support from the Jewish diaspora. Writing for Al Jazeera, Musa al-Gharbi argued that Israel was deliberately provoking Hamas:

All the illegal and immoral actions related to Operation Brother's Keeper were justified under the premise of finding and saving the missing teens whom the Israeli government knew to be dead — cynically exploiting the tragedy to whip up public outcry in order to provoke and then confront Hamas. This pattern of deception continues under the ongoing military offensive in Gaza.

For example, last week in collaboration with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah El Sisi and Abbas, in its efforts to alienate Hamas, Israel announced a bad-faith cease-fire proposal, which Hamas was not consulted on and never agreed to but whose violation supposedly justified Israel's expansion and intensification of the military campaign into Gaza.

Despite continued negotiations, the violence shows no signs of letting up, and after Thursday night's massive protests in the West Bank, there is still no ceasefire agreement. On Friday, it became clear that U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry's attempts to broker a seven-day truce were rejected by Israeli officials.

Instead, Israel will apparently widen its ground operation in the Gaza Strip, despite international outcry about the civilian death toll. According to unnamed officials, the proposed truce was too generous to Hamas's demands.

Hamas, meanwhile, still hasn't weighed in on the agreement, whose details are being kept secret, but continued to launch rockets into Israel. International peace talks are set to resume in France this weekend, and we're keeping our fingers crossed.


Updated, July 26, 11:44 a.m.: This claim was also reported by BBC's Jon Donnison, who spoked to Israel Police Foreign Press Spokesman Micky Rosenfeld:

Update, July 28, 9:21 a.m.: Rosenfeld, the Israeli spokesperson, is seeking to clarify that while the lone cell did not receive direct orders from Hamas, it was still affiliated. "The kidnapping and murder of the teens was carried out by Hamas terrorists from the Hebron area," he claimed in comments to The Daily Beast. "The security organizations are continuing to search for the murderers."

But Donnison, the BBC journalist, is not backtracking from his earlier reporting:

[Amaterasu]

Hamas are nothing but terrorist scum.  The Palistinian people would be in a much better place by now if it weren't for Hamas always f-ing up diplomatic talks and purposefully taking pot-shots at civi's.

I propose the high likelihood that Hamas is a manufactured entity created through agents provocateurs, and other subtle means, specifically for this "conflict..."

[robomont]

i second that theory amy.seeing as almost all groups these days are.why not.

[rdunk]

I propose the high likelihood that Hamas is a manufactured entity created through agents provocateurs, and other subtle means, specifically for this "conflict..."

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LOL - and I "propose" that is pure BS, as is much of what is being said here relative to Israel. Time will once again prove- "results are the teachers of fools"! Did you not learn anything from the well documented history of the suicidal killings by hamas and other palestinian groups, which I posted just yesterday?? Do you for reason think hamas has changed, and now is no longer the suicidal civilian killing machine of the past??

We and the muslim/arab world can "propose" whatever we wish, but, the difference with Israel is, when they draw a line in the sand, they mean what they say. hamas has crossed that line and continues to fire rockets/missiles into Israel. Israel for sure has responded to the line crossing, and hamas/palestinians are paying dearly, and they will pay dearly until their leaders, hamas, concedes defeat, or they all are killed and gone to be with their 70 virgins.    

Does any non-muslim have reason to consider that hamas is not an extreme threat to the entire non-muslim world??  They for sure are, as they have made that very clear by word and action.............in many very public venues! Elimination is what they deserve for all they have done everywhere in my "proposing" opinion. If they aren't. we in the US will be having the same fight tomorrow, as is Israel today - is that what we want??

[robomont]

saw nothing that empressed me.lots of nonpropaganda with links would be fine.

rdunk you have been here at pegasus long enough to see through propaganda.
now if you will go to israel and livestream video of all these ongoing palestine atrocities,its going to be hard for me to sympathize.

[Amaterasu]

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LOL - and I "propose" that is pure BS...

Seems I am not the only One who sees Hamas as a created group to inflame wars...

From:  http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/11/israel-and-the-u-s-created-hamas-hezbollah-and-other-terrorists-via-blowback.html

Creating the Enemies We Now Fight Against

We've extensively documented that the U.S. and Israel created Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups in an attempt to fight other enemies.

Larry Johnson – a counterterrorism official at the U.S. State Department – says:

    The Israelis are their own worst enemies when it comes to fighting terrorism. They are like a guy who sets fire to his hair and then tries to put it out by hitting it with a hammer. They do more to incite and sustain terrorism than curb it.

As one example, Israel helped create Hamas.

United Press International reported in 2002:

    According to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.Israel "aided Hamas directly — the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies.

    Israel's support for Hamas "was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative," said a former senior CIA official.

    According to documents United Press International obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism, Hamas evolved from cells of the Muslim Brotherhood, founded in Egypt in 1928. Islamic movements in Israel and Palestine were "weak and dormant" until after the 1967 Six Day War in which Israel scored a stunning victory over its Arab enemies.

    After 1967, a great part of the success of the Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood was due to their activities among the refugees of the Gaza Strip. The cornerstone of the Islamic movements success was an impressive social, religious, educational and cultural infrastructure, called Da'wah, that worked to ease the hardship of large numbers of Palestinian refugees, confined to camps, and many who were living on the edge.

    "Social influence grew into political influence," first in the Gaza Strip, then on the West Bank, said an administration official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

    According to ICT papers, Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the movement's spiritual leader, as an Islamic Association by the name Al-Mujamma al Islami, which widened its base of supporters and sympathizers by religious propaganda and social work.

    According to U.S. administration officials, funds for the movement came from the oil-producing states and directly and indirectly from Israel. The PLO was secular and leftist and promoted Palestinian nationalism. Hamas wanted to set up a transnational state under the rule of Islam, much like Khomeini's Iran.

More at link.

[Amaterasu]

And more.  From:  http://www.henrymakow.com/israelcreatedhamastoavoid.html

The Israelis created Hamas.  But before we explore why, let's be clear  that Israel does not want peace.  They want all of Palestine, and their belligerent settlement practices confirm that.

But the Israelis are posturing as being willing to talk "peace", only to actually stall that peace process, so as advance the further colonization of Palestine.

So anything that can be offered as an excuse, will be.  The most convenient ploy, presented with the sycophantic assistance of the media, is that of "terrorism".

The masses are naive, and fail to suspect the Machiavellian extremes that certain leaders will resort to.  This includes creating a false enemy, in this case, Hamas, whereby the right-wing leadership of the Israelis can point the finger to some "enemy" to blame for supposedly stalling the process.

More at link.

[Amaterasu]

Oh, and there's more.  From:  http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2011/12/how-israel-created-hamas.html

Islamic Fundamentalism - A Creation of Zionism and US Imperialism

But for the deliberate actions of Israel's Shin Bet, internal security police, there would have been no Hamas. This is Israel's dark and dirty secret. What Uri Avnery, a former member of Israel's Knesset and veteran peacenik (albeit still a Zionist) speaks about has long been known. Avi Shlaim touched upon it. [The Iron Wall, 459, 2001]. So have other commentators.

This was a time when the United States was backing Islamic Fundamentalism in Afghanistan Anyone remember the James Bond film, Living Daylights, where the Islamic fighter was the hero? No, that's not surprising, it quickly became out of date as the Islamists proved, as they had been intended to prove, the most useful enemy that US imperialism and Zionism could have.

More at link.

[Sinny]

Looks like you scared off the IDL Amy ahahaha 

[Sinny]

Israel facilitated the Birth of Hamas - WikiLeaks
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1025296/pg1