Riots in Ferguson, Missouri

[Sinny]

Here's some Mainstream coverage:

Washington Post reporter Wesley Lowery was detained by police on Wednesday while reporting on the unrest in Ferguson, Mo., following the fatal shooting of unarmed teen Michael Brown by police over the weekend. (The Washington Post)

Initially, both Ryan Reilly of the Huffington Post and I were asked for identification. I was wearing my lanyard, but Ryan asked why he had to show his ID. They didn't press the point, but one added that if we called 911, no one would answer.

Then they walked away. Moments later, the police reemerged, telling us that we had to leave. I pulled my phone out and began recording video.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-ferguson-washington-post-reporter-wesley-lowery-gives-account-of-his-arrest/2014/08/13/0fe25c0e-2359-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost

[08rubicon]

  One day,not long ago, in a major city not far from my home, a young father was walking to work.Two teenagers
walked past him,one pulled a gun and killed him.The killer
was arrested and on his way to the hearing, was laughing
and joking, with no interrest in his plight. He had some
contact with the police but had not been considered a risk.
  He was,after all, just a happy-go-lucky-seventeen year
old..He was also a killer..Sometimes you just don't know..
  Rubicon

[Littleenki]

  One day,not long ago, in a major city not far from my home, a young father was walking to work.Two teenagers
walked past him,one pulled a gun and killed him.The killer
was arrested and on his way to the hearing, was laughing
and joking, with no interrest in his plight. He had some
contact with the police but had not been considered a risk.
  He was,after all, just a happy-go-lucky-seventeen year
old..He was also a killer..Sometimes you just don't know..
  Rubicon

Theres one story like that here in Clearwater recently, a 18 yr old kid killed a woman in a purse snatching, and the detectives told me he had no previous charges as a teen...of course we agreed he had probably just never been caught.
He stabbed her to death and threw her body in a ditch on a public bike trail which passes by a rough neighborhood.

If these young men would lose the dogma of the ghetto mindset, they could become good men, but their surroundings of poverty and upbringing by angry disillusioned parents and peers often ruins them for life.

Sad no matter what angle we view it from...frustrated police, versus frustrated youth...a battle rages on.

As for civil unrest.....well...theres a lot to be said for vigilance.

Le

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Interesing thread.

i'm not a shrink but it seems to me that peeps are a product of their upbringing & environment. If you live in a violent area, you will most likely become a violent person. I grew up in the East End, a very violent place indeed, and my mum (bless her) realised this & moved us all out of there.

Cops are peeps too, and i would guess a cop from the Bronx would be more likely to bust your face for spitting on the sidewalk than one in Palm Springs would.
And yes, i doubt the guy who got shot was a saint, so it's a good idea to get all the story.

I have learned not to trust cops, that's not the same as hating them, many of them know they are there to 'serve & protect' but that used to mean the public, not the system.

Like in every walk of life, you get the 'old school' being pushed aside by the new school, and the new ones have no morals at all IMHO

I have seen the 'OMG Martial law is coming' threads pop up regularly on that other site, it still hasn't happened. Not because it is not 'their' plan (of course it is) but they are far too weak right now.
They use murders etc to bolster the anti-gun lobby.
"If guns kill people, do pens write books?"

Of course not, People kill people, and people write books, the gun or pen is just a tool, like money. Use the tool correctly or you might become one

I guess they will use this as another platform to further their aims, in the US they want your guns, in the case of Europe, they will be coming to confiscate our pitchforks

Sinny, please relax dear, you are far too intelligent to let this get to you

I know about the media manipulation. Remember the Brixton riots? I was there, blacks, whites, asians, all side by side fighting the Met, which Thatcher treated as her own personal stormtroopers. Yet the papers insisted on calling it a 'race riot' when it was nothing of the kind, they even ignored all the locals who called the paper to say they had got it wrong. Well BIG surprise there, i gave up writing to papers years ago, they never publish it if it's anywhere near true

Really, policing a town is just so damn easy, make local mods. Give the biggest and most respected / responsible guy in each street a big stick & get him to patrol those streets around him, and if anyone's up to no good, bash them & send them home. Simple. John Peel had the right idea.
Thatcher did the smart thing, she bussed hundreds of cops from London & Kent to go beat up the miners when they were on strike, she knew the Yorkshire cops could not, or would not, put the boot in.
Put a man in a strange place, and he will naturally be more aggressive

Just my 2 cents

[Sinny]

Forgive the typo's to come.

I do not 'hate' the police, I hate 'big brother'.
I'm aware that there are good cops and bad cops, and I think PWM raises a good point about our environments, I take that all on board.

Having said that I see a huge flaw in your perception PWM.
You state that you've heard the 'hype' about Marshal Law, but it 'hasn't happened yet' - lol.

Maybe this is where my political studys step in.

It is not a case of "its not happened yet".

The idea is, that it won't just 'happen' in an event, 'at a certain time'..

It will slowly be implimented, so much so, that you will not recognise when it IS here. Slowly but surely it's supposed to become part of your 'reality', and you will accept it.

"You cannot free fools from chains that they revere"

"None are more enslaved than those who falsley believe they are free"

We've got Wartoad and Enkii looking staight through the Military Hardware of the state police force.. I'm not American, yet that screams alarm bells for me, me - an outsider looking in. The Presisdent has the right to kidnap, detain and  kill anyone he wants, domestic or not.

At what point did all this become okay? When do we reverse it? Or do we just allow it to continue, whilst we trade liberty for 'security', which is actually slavery wrapped up in a ribbon.

If not us who?
If not now when?

You should all be screaming about the erosion of the Constitution, not pigs in uniforms having a few slurs thrown against them. Set your priorities.

[Sinny]

I didn't reealise I felt so strongly about the matter, and although I may have been a bit more emotional than usual, I hope you don't allow that to detract from the very valid points I raised...

..The term 'Pigs' is a heavily loaded British phase, which does not necessarliy suit the Americam theme of this thread..

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

The idea is, that it won't just 'happen' in an event, 'at a certain time'..

It will slowly be implimented, so much so, that you will not recognise when it IS here. Slowly but surely it's supposed to become part of your 'reality', and you will accept it.

Yes Sinny i am aware of that also, in the case of Europe, most of them banned guns years ago, hence my remark about pitchforks. I was going to add that they would pass a law that all kitchen knives be less than 6 inches long, and you would require a permit for a pitchfork, LOL

This means that they are dead scared of us, the people. That's GOOD!
All we have to do is A) show the peeps the problem, B) show them the alternatives, and finally C) show them the most workable solution, as we, the slightly-more-informed-sheeple have though of and discussed.

We've got Wartoad and Enkii looking staight through the Military Hardware of the state police force.. I'm not American, yet that screams alarm bells for me, me - an outsider looking in. The Presisdent has the right to kidnap, detain and  kill anyone he wants, domestic or not

Hell the UK have had that for years, i had 2 cops with loaded Beretta 9mm's trying to shoot my blind mother & my brother's dog....all because we had a row with a neighbour & he told them we were arms dealers!

The word "terrorist' wasn't in use so much back then, because there were very few 'terrorists' to speak of, unless you include Menachim Begin, but i won't go there.....

At what point did all this become okay? When do we reverse it? Or do we just allow it to continue, whilst we trade liberty for 'security', which is actually slavery wrapped up in a ribbon

It was NEVER okay, it still isn't. I agree with you about the cause my dear....the bundy ranch episode woke up a LOT of peeps to what we knew already, OK?

But we need to preach the solution, not just the problem. Politicians everywhere love to point the finger, but have no idea at all how they themselves would handle the issue they argue about so fiercely.

You should all be screaming about the erosion of the Constitution, not pigs in uniforms having a few slurs thrown against them. Set your priorities.

Well i tried screaming, but that just brought more armed cops to my door......

Peeps overreact to the cops who overreact to the peeps who....your own signature says it all, my dear.

I don't have the solution, unless it is TAP. I only know i can beat the system using my own special talent, which is in the 'field' of energy. So that is where i am fighting my war, for the rest of you peeps, try to find an area where you are competent in, and use that to fight with.
Simple really.
Either that or we all die, soon i wil post stuff about the viking invasion of 860, now THOSE were interesting times!

I didn't reealise I felt so strongly about the matter, and although I may have been a bit more emotional than usual, I hope you don't allow that to detract from the very valid points I raised...

No problem

..The term 'Pigs' is a heavily loaded British phase, which does not necessarliy suit the Americam theme of this thread..

Well that's why i used the term 'cops' rather than 'scum' which was, i believe, in use back then

[petrus4]

I think what I'm finding most disturbing about this thread and the other, regarding the police, is that there is an expressed belief in the supposed moral requirement to uncritically, and unquestioningly revere them.  In other words, even an incrementally critical attitude towards police behaviour is automatically dismissed as "hate," and "negativity."

More than anything else, it is this type of thinking which I believe needs to be strenuously and adamantly challenged; because it is a mindset which leads directly to fascism.

[Sinny]

I think what I'm finding most disturbing about this thread and the other, regarding the police, is that there is an expressed belief in the supposed moral requirement to uncritically, and unquestioningly revere them.  In other words, even an incrementally critical attitude towards police behaviour is automatically dismissed as "hate," and "negativity."

More than anything else, it is this type of thinking which I believe needs to be strenuously and adamantly challenged; because it is a mindset which leads directly to fascism.

Seconded.

[Amaterasu]

Thirded!

[Sinny]

But we need to preach the solution, not just the problem

Preaching the solution includes being able to excerise your ammendment rights, and publicly demonstrate agianst the corrupt system.

When the police are preventing that lawful process, what happens next?

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

John F. Kennedy

Of course, they have us in some sort of catch 22 at the moment, they want and require armed conflict...

[WarToad]

I think what I'm finding most disturbing about this thread and the other, regarding the police, is that there is an expressed belief in the supposed moral requirement to uncritically, and unquestioningly revere them.  In other words, even an incrementally critical attitude towards police behaviour is automatically dismissed as "hate," and "negativity."

More than anything else, it is this type of thinking which I believe needs to be strenuously and adamantly challenged; because it is a mindset which leads directly to fascism.

Seconded.

Thirded!

What a cute little echo chamber.

Peggy has truely changed for the worse.  And you wonder about why the goodby threads.

[Sinny]

Peggy has truely changed for the worse. 

How about you elborate with something substantial..

[Sinny]

From ferguson:



To the Nazi State:



Who wants to be the next millionaire?



Well, at least some people share my sentiments!

[Amaterasu]

From:  http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/08/15/dhs-is-employing-agent-provocateurs-and-are-behind-the-events-in-ferguson/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+DaveHodges-TheCommonSenseShow+%28Dave+Hodges-The+Common+Sense+Show%29

What the mainstream media is not reporting is beginning to leak out from local citizens in St. Louis and from an informant from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) who are all telling a different story that the one you are seeing on Fox, CNN and CBS. First, the locals are reporting that the rioting has spread far beyond the Ferguson city limits. Rioting is taking place as away as St. Charles which is located approximately 20 miles away from Ferguson. Second, more people are becoming aware that the police chief of Ferguson, Thomas Jackson, is not in control of his own police force as he has relinquished control to DHS.
DHS Is Fanning the Flames of Violence

In the past five days I have been contacted, via one of my most trusted sources, a member of DHS who is opposed to the events and DHS involvement in Ferguson, Missouri. This source stated that DHS is running the Ferguson Police Department and their actions are designed to antagonize and to provoke the locals to violence. He further stated that he believed that the ultimate goal is to inflame the local citizens to such a point martial law will be declared.

In even a more shocking revelation, this DHS source stated that the rioting and looting which followed the shooting death of 18 year old, Michael Brown, was encouraged and exacerbated by undercover DHS agents posing as members of the Black Panthers.

Lending support to this latest accusation of DHS complicity in the rioting was the behavior of the Ferguson Police Department during the looting. During the civil unrest, the behavior of the Ferguson Police was to simply create a perimeter around the looting and allow it to continue. This violates every tenet of law enforcement. It more resembles quarantine procedures practiced by DHS, Northcom and the National Guard. The police should have moved to intervene to stop the looting and prevent the spread of violence. If the situation was beyond the control of the police, then the National Guard should have been brought in. Given the revelation of the DHS source, it seems plausible that his story of wanting the violence to escalate appears to be the case.

Much more at link.