LIVE from Ferguson, MO...Police Firing on Protestors, Media...Please share!

[zorgon]

I could go on and on.  I will say this...most of the police dept.'s in my area serve and protect...but the main duty of law enforcement officers according to the SCOTUS (US Supreme Court) a Law enforement officer is constitutionally bound to enforce the law but not constitutionally bound to protect.  They are to serve the public at large.  This is not my opinion but comes from our Supreme Court.  Zorgon...I hope this answers your question adequately.

It does yes...

I agree that MOST cops still serve and protect...

I aslo have no problem interpreting that as to serve the public at large as opposed to an individual. Enforcing the law.... that is GOOD

But more and more we are seeing officers both individually or in groups stepping out of bounds.

That shooting in Arizona of that homeless guy...  four cops and one attack dog.... what LAW were they enforcing exactly?

Last I heard there is no law against camping or sleeping on BLM land.  Certainly not an exectution level infraction

Last I jeard there is no law against roaming on BLM land exploring for rocks or fossils. In fact it is listed by BLM as a Recreational Activity and they even list state parks that allow it... so what LAW was that cop enforcing when he harrased the rockhound with a helicopter?

If these were only isolated cases... if these obvious infractions were dealt with by their superiors... I would not even discuss it...

But more and more we are seeing this type of stuff. It got worse since Homeland Security came to be. I have personally had two incidents against me (though not serious yet) that were definitely violations of my rights

So yeah "Houston we have a problem"

The BIGGEST fear of "We the people.." is that cops will simply follow orders when their bosses say such and such a community is in violation of some law.  Though we have a supposed right to protest... the Bundy fenced of "First Amendment Area" is a glaring red beacon



What part of that image above has ANYTHING to do with "enforcing the law"?

Back in Germany... there was a Police Agency  - Schutzstaffe

This police force started as a small security agency to protect meetings. Schutzstaffe translated is "Protection Squadron"or "defence corps"...

As they grew they literally became the Homeland Security of Germany... ultimately answering to Hitler and his top staff

Yes "Schutzstaffe" is the now notorious SS

So WHO exactly does DHS answer to? Even on TV shows they seem to lord it over even the FBI...

We just had to renew our Resident cards.... every 10 years...

Last time we went into the office of INS... took 20 minutes to pay the fee, get a photo and out the door with a temp card  full card arrived in about two weeks like a drivers license

THIS time...

It is now run by DHS...  you have to make an APPOINTMENT to even ask information. When you arrive you cannot even enter the building before a guard asks you your business. Then you go through an airport level security check

You pay your fee and then schedule an appointment  That takes 30-45 days... if you miss the appointment you have to pay again

You then go in for fingerprints and photo... you now get a temp sticker on your old card and they say "5 to 9 months to get your new card"

So the writing is on the wall... I just hope the vast majority of cops and military will NOT just shoot citizens because they are "following orders and enforcing the law"

We all know how that ended up last time in Germany... well at least my parents do... they lived through it

[spacemaverick]

Yes I CAN believe it.  So basically it appears that each individual force has the option to choose whether to protect the citizens or harass them

But "We the people..." make a general assumption...

We have a MILITARY that is supposed to defend this country and its citizen's from attack by our 'enemies' whomever they may be. As far as I can tell that is how it is written in the Constitution

We have a MILITIA that is supposed to protect us citizen's in times when Gov Goon Squads get out of control (to wit  the Bundy Ranch case)

We have a POLICE force to uphold the laws that "we the people..." SUPPOSEDLY have put in place to protect us from those who would abuse us

THESE are the basic assumptions of "We the people..."  And I know MANY in the military and on the police force that do actually understand this... even if it's not clearly written down as a 'duty'

When you hire a security guard it is resonable to expect that the guard will do his best to protect you.

Do "We the people..." not elect our Sheriffs and pay the police to protect us? Maybe it's not a 'duty' but it certainly is in the job description

I think you have the idea.  There was a private security force helping some gun shops and they are bound by contract to serve their clients without stepping outside the law.  These private contractors do not come cheap depending on who you hire...some are former military special forces and the like.  After I retired I became an armed security officer at a lower level than these (by choice) but I am bound by contract to serve the client.  Basically if you really want protection you either hire some or learn how to protect yourself.  Like I said...in my county the officers do the best to protect and serve...I guess we are still some of the old guard but this is gradually being changed in the academies.  A good number coming out of the academies now are much younger and have been taught to kick butt legally.  Another reason I got out....

[Amaterasu]

Petrus, I just spent the time watching all three in the series of the wellaware1 work.  Most was stuff I had seen before, but there was more than a few gems I had not.  Though I have My doubts about Ed Chiarini - another gatekeeper, no doubt - the info that seems demonstrably true is enough to make clear that Ferguson is a farce.  The depth of the psychopathy on this planet is far greater than most can come to grips with.

I find it interesting that this work was an interweb mini-phenomenon a couple of years ago, and then Chiarini kinda quit and His work slipped below awareness on any large-ish scale.  I'm sure the donation link still works, I'm betting.

[thorfourwinds]

Another side of the never-ending story...

#KKK & #Anonymous find common ground over soda pop at clandestine #Ferguson, Missouri "Steak & Shake" burger joint meeting - Nate Thayer - Journalist

November 23, 2014
While the country is all atwitter over racial strife in Ferguson, there is remarkable common ground being found between extremist antagonists on the ground.

The Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan and 7 members of the anarchist group Anonymous sat down at a local Steak & Shake burger joint and agreed on issues of constitutional rights of free speech and militarization of the police over soda pops on the eve of a grand jury announcement on the shooting death of a black teenager by a white cop in Ferguson, Missouri.

The KKK and Anonymous met today at a local Missouri burger joint and began a discussion to bridge what some might find impossible differences.

"I feel my true calling in life is seeking the truth and exposing corruption...yes I would say we are finding common ground...and that this conflict is all but over, but as you said we have no central leader so our process will not be as swift as the KKK,"

said an Anonymous member, who asked to remain–well, anonymous– who reached out to the Ku Klux Klan after other Anonymous members hacked the KKK websites and took over their Twitter account earlier this week.

the rest of the story

[zorgon]

Another side of the never-ending story...

Yeah I think Zorgon posted the video of that conversation back on page five

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7179.msg107072#msg107072

[zorgon]

When a child dies of starvation, I CANNOT believe it was merely the child's choice.

Riddle me this then...

WHY would the PARENTS of that child, who are living in abject poverty facing starvation themselves...  then bring a child into the world KNOWING that the child would starve?

WHY would these parents do that?

You are correct... in that case the child has no control, no choicee..

But the PARENTS DID have a choice... they could have chosen NOT to have a child that they knew would never survive

[zorgon]

[Sinny]

Riddle me this then...

WHY would the PARENTS of that child, who are living in abject poverty facing starvation themselves...  then bring a child into the world KNOWING that the child would starve?

WHY would these parents do that?

You are correct... in that case the child has no control, no choicee..

But the PARENTS DID have a choice... they could have chosen NOT to have a child that they knew would never survive

Various situations such as rape and lack of contraception...

[thorfourwinds]

Yeah I think Zorgon posted the video of that conversation back on page five

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7179.msg107072#msg107072

Yes, Zorgon did...with this observation...

So now Anon is making deals with the KKK?  Oh GOOD GRIEF

That's why the link for the text.

Understanding the adversary is not to be contrued 'deal making.'

[thorfourwinds]

Dubose opened her shop in June, shortly before Brown was shot in August. The riots after the shooting almost shut down her fledgling business. For two weeks after the shooting, reports the Washington Post, not a single customer entered her shop.

This time, as she returned to board up her shop and see what she could do, white racist America came to her aid with two GoFundMe campaigns raising more than $90,000 to help Dubose repair her shop.


Read More At Investor's Business Daily: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/112614-728166-natalie-dubose-cakes-and-more-vandalized.htm#ixzz3KNeEDRKD

[Wrabbit2000]

Dubose opened her shop in June, shortly before Brown was shot in August. The riots after the shooting almost shut down her fledgling business. For two weeks after the shooting, reports the Washington Post, not a single customer entered her shop.

This time, as she returned to board up her shop and see what she could do, white racist America came to her aid with two GoFundMe campaigns raising more than $90,000 to help Dubose repair her shop.

That is certainly the kind of story to feel good about and shows the better nature of our people. Thanks for sharing those additional details!

[Sinny]

Unsure of the purpose as to why Thor highlighted 'White Racist America'..

Most of US are not racist, the policy makers ae however.

If I was on PC, here I'd insert Eminems 'White America'.

[petrus4]

Petrus, I just spent the time watching all three in the series of the wellaware1 work.

Good.  I hope others here do likewise.

The depth of the psychopathy on this planet is far greater than most can come to grips with.

Deep, but simple.  There is universal law, and there are those who, for various reasons, do not abide by it.  The psychopaths rule within the breach.  While I do not wish to put words in his mouth, I think Zorgon would agree with that.  You have said before, that said disobedience is largely due to ignorance, which is sometimes true, but not always.

I find it interesting that this work was an interweb mini-phenomenon a couple of years ago

The memory hole is also deep, and acts quickly, on myself as well.

[zorgon]

Yes, Zorgon did...with this observation...

So now Anon is making deals with the KKK?  Oh GOOD GRIEF[/color]

That's why the link for the text.

Understanding the adversary is not to be contrued 'deal making.'

The KKK and Anonymous met today at a local Missouri burger joint and began a discussion to bridge what some might find impossible differences....there is remarkable common ground being found between extremist antagonists on the ground.

Sir Merriam-Webster says:

Deal:

2. To behave in a specified way toward another or others; have transactions: deal honestly with competitors.

5a.  An agreement, especially one that is mutually beneficial.

[petrus4]

The KKK and Anonymous met today at a local Missouri burger joint and began a discussion to bridge what some might find impossible differences....there is remarkable common ground being found between extremist antagonists on the ground.

This should not be as surprising as it seems to be.  As mentioned, I've spent a fair amount of time conversing with members of the white supremacist far Right on 4chan.  They really aren't as irrational as most people claim, as long as you remember the core points that govern their view of reality.

a}  They are exceptionally strong believers in scarcity and the Zero Sum Game.  In their minds, hard resource limits are very real.

b}  In the end, racism is not really anything other than a rationalisation which they use, for claiming why they should get said scarce resources themselves, instead of blacks or members of any other ethnic group.  The idea is that because there is not enough stuff to go around, killing people will mean that said dead individuals no longer need their share of said stuff, which in turn means that you can have it yourself.  Unless an individual is psychopathic, however, some form of dehumanising rationalisation is necessary, before they can start killing people.  This is what motivates the claim that blacks (or members of whatever other group) are animals, or that they are less intelligent, or uncivilised, or whatever.  It all serves the purpose of rationalising their murder, and subsequent theft of their resources.

While rare exceptions do exist, you will find that white supremacy almost always clusters with poverty and lack of education.  White supremacists are keenly aware of, and paranoid about, the idea of members of other ethnic groups having more food or other resources than they do. 

This, by the way, is another big part of the reason why I am an advocate of provisional post-scarcity; because I know that if the average Klansman has as much food or whatever other resources as he needs, he is going to cease to care about other ethnic groups, or about lynching them.

c}  There is a very strong belief (which to a certain extent genuinely was present in Sparta, of course; but not to the degree that the usual stereotypes imply) that war or conflict is the only valid crucible for human development that exists.  This belief is much more difficult to challenge or remedy than the above resource scarcity issue; and even more disturbingly, since 9/11, said belief has been creeping into (at least American) mainstream thought.



Hating, fighting, or excluding the Right is not the appropriate way to deal with them.  Violent conflict is an inherent part of their worldview, so apart from anything else, if you try and engage in it with them, they are likely to be better at it than you.  This will also have the effect of seeming to validate their beliefs, and will therefore reinforce said beliefs in their own minds.

The way to end racism is to ensure that racist individuals have sufficient resources themselves, that they no longer need to feel insecure about what anyone else has.  Plunder was, after all, the primary motivation behind the old Viking raids, and their contemporary descendants are no different. 

Their belief in the developmental value of war is more of a problem, but given our current technological level, it also does not really need to be.  Sufficiently violent virtual scenarios should be more than capable of meeting that need, without anyone having to genuinely get killed in the process.