Broken

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Ok

If you all want to know why I am a broken toy.

Look at this



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[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Ok

If you all want to know why I am a broken toy.

Look at this



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Thanks for this!

Rock
(veteran)

[Norval]

Just back from Viet Nam,
Waiting for a bus at a park under a tree I dozed off,
I awoke to find a college girl pissing on my feet,
Then she yelled at me "BABY BURNER" !
I got to my best friends home a bit later and needed smokes,
He had to buy them for me, and the beers, I wasn't 21 yet.


Here in America kids are told that violence is wrong, , ,
Then they join the Army and are told that violence is the only way to stop an aggressor.
Then they come home and are told that violence is wrong, , again, ,

, , and people wonder WHY they go nuts?!?!?!

[ArMaP]

My family was lucky, my grandfathers were too young to go to World War I, Portugal was neutral during World War II and only one cousin was old enough to go to the army during the colonial war (that lasted 13 years) in what were then the Portuguese colonies in Africa (Guinea Bissau, Angola and Mozambique) but he remained here and was still on duty when the Carnation Revolution ended the war and gave those colonies (along with Cape Verde, St. Tome and Principe and East Timor) their independence.

But I know some people (including my boss) that were sent to the war, and almost all received some psychiatric treatment when they returned (those that returned, from the almost 300,000 men from the Portuguese forces 8827 were killed, while more than 50,000 guerilla fighters were killed, besides another 50,000 civilians).

So, while we do have some thousands of veterans, we don't have that problem of that dual treatment (violence is bad at home but you are supposed to do it when in the army), and, as far as I remember, we never had those "baby killer" treatments from the common citizens, something that I really don't understand, as the soldiers come from the same common population.

[petrus4]

More details, with citations and related case studies, can be found here.

The relevance to this particular thread, is the fourth listed characteristic; supremacy of/reverence shown towards the military, which is directly conducive to the creation and maintenance of a fascist society.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I just wanted to say thanks for remembering vets, not make a political statement . So thanks again.

[The Seeker]

More details, with citations and related case studies, can be found here.

The relevance to this particular thread, is the fourth listed characteristic; supremacy of/reverence shown towards the military, which is directly conducive to the creation and maintenance of a fascist society.

petrus, you are so way off the mark with this one it is pathetic...

Back, our veterans do not get a break for the most part; they are trained and put thru hell in combat then for the most part tossed back on the street with PTSD, health issues from injuries and experimental vaccines, and no one wants to acknowledge them or help them...

the VA is a total farce, and there are too many liberals screaming and hollering at them for doing there job...

Heal, broken toy, and work for better things and better times...

And to all veterans out there, thank you for your service...


seeker

[petrus4]

petrus, you are so way off the mark with this one it is pathetic...

No, I am not.  It is simply that what I am expressing is taboo, and goes against the prevailing bias that is held here.  I will cease and desist, but my last statement in this thread is going to be an acknowledgement of the fact, that there is a difference between an opinion being iconoclastic, and it being demonstrably incorrect.

[burntheships]

Back,

My heart is with you in your quest for healing, and to those who have
served to make this world a safer place, my thanks to you all.

[sky otter]

I honor and support all who have served..

while giving space to those who do not ..can not


until  we can all look at others as equals we are doomed to have armies


so in the meantime I will do what I can for those who served

Back..you know how I feel

blessings

[thorfourwinds]

Greetings:

We have your back, brother.
Call me if you wish, anytime.



tfw
Peace Love Light
Liberty & Equality or Revolution

Hec'el oinipikte  (that we shall live)

[spacemaverick]

Ok

If you all want to know why I am a broken toy.

Look at this



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You have my respect Back...from a vet.

[Pimander]

The thing that worries me about military careers is that they start so young.  In the UK many people have told me they would have chosen something different were they an adult.  At 17/18 years old we are still practically children but are allowed to choose a career that can involve being shot at and shooting/bombing people.   The chance to learn a trade and, "become a man," is also enticing. Obviously I'm not referring to conscription, which often amounts to a cull of the poorest in society depending on the country.

I have sympathy for all veterans.  That does not make what Petrus says untrue (under fascism the military is supreme) even if it isn't in the spirit of the thread.  We do have similar problems in the UK with virtually no Psychological support for returning vets.

[Sinny]

The link says its unavailable in my country

Presuming it was about Vets, Petrus' contribution is far from irrelevant or pathetic.

It's quite pertinent, as always, and Fascism should always remain at the forefront of our minds.... We know what happens when its not.

[Sinny]

The thing that worries me about military careers is that they start so young.  In the UK many people have told me they would have chosen something different were they an adult.  At 17/18 years old we are still practically children but are allowed to choose a career that can involve being shot at and shooting/bombing people.   The chance to learn a trade and, "become a man," is also enticing. Obviously I'm not referring to conscription, which often amounts to a cull of the poorest in society depending on the country.

Yea, you have to be 21 to buy a beer, but as you state, you can join up to kill/ be killed from the age of 17 - a full 5 years before physical brain maturity.

A prime time to go through the brainwashing process of Basic Training, complete with the stripping of your regular rights, sleep deprevation, phyical torture, sensory manipulation, mental manipulation, biased education, and the removal of the individual intinct- just to name a few.

(FYI, I spent time in the Armed forces for a brief few weeks, and true to form, even then I experienced all of the above).

What has happened to American and UK veterans is appalling to say the least, hence why I would rather educate people on the reasons why they should not presently join the armed forces.. Lambs to the slaughter and pawns in the game.