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[Amaterasu]

Its too bad that what those American Illuminati created was destroyed on 1914 by Woodrow Wilson having sold out to the Banker... sigh It was a glorious nation until that fateful day

I suggest that it was destroyed earlier than that.  1871, to be exact.  In 1871, the corporation, THE UNITED STATES, was created, ostensibly for the District of Columbus, and share holders are foreign (THE CROWN (a corporation) and THE VATICAN (a corporation)).  It was in payment for the war debt from the civil war.  In that year Lincoln issued the first "executive order."  In that year, the organic and original government was abandoned and a district corporation began masquerading as the government.

In the organic, original, there is no provision for executive orders - something that upsets the careful and deliberate balance of power the founding Individuals placed into the original setup.

Yes, in 1914, the bankers got direct control of the country/corporartion though the system of money.  But the country was sold out long before then.

[petrus4]

  Just want to add this thought..Do not speak disparagingly of
your guardian angel..whether it is the angel hovering above,
the policeman down the street, or the man or woman in uniform
facing an enemy they do not understand for reasons they do not
know..They are there for your protection..
   rubicon

Appeals to fear are not accepted.

[zorgon]

Yes, in 1914, the bankers got direct control of the country/corporartion though the system of money.  But the country was sold out long before then.

Well you can always try Russia  I hear it worked for Snowden

[rdunk]

You know, it is a pretty crazy situation, that as terrible as it is for the country of America to have sold its soul, as is proffered here, how in the _ _ _ _ (fill in the blanks) has America become the greatest country in the world, and has held that status even unto today (discounting what the marxist/socialist currently in office has done, because it still can be redeemed)?? 

Well, I can answer my own question too, but I won't do that in this thread, except say it has been the underpinning and backbone of this country from the beginning that has been a primary factor for America's achievement! ~~~~~

[undo11]

I know I said I was finished here, but in light of subsequent comments, I wish to offer some additional clarification.

a}  I do not approve of the manner in which I have observed the governments of several countries (without specifically naming names) treating their veterans.  If governments expect veterans to go through experiences which will leave them incapable of fending for themselves when they return, then said governments have a duty of care to said veterans.  At the very least, that means a liveable pension for the rest of their lives, but it should also mean whatever pharmacological or other therapeutic measures said veterans require, as well.

b}  I do not consider any major conflict since at least WW2 to have been sufficiently justifiable that I feel that anyone within the military is owed my gratitude for their participation.  I do not believe that the War on Terror has a legitimate foreign component.  I believe that it has been created almost exclusively by the American intelligence community, who have used Islamic individuals as proxies.  If you do not believe me on this, do your own research.  There is more than adequate documentation of it available.

c}  In addition to the War on Terror having been a farce, as far as I know, there has been no conscription or involuntary drafting for it.  As a result, any veterans who are now maimed due to participation in it, made an entirely voluntary choice, and are now living with the consequences of that choice.  This is a second reason why you do not deserve my thanks, and you will not be getting it.  If you had been conscripted, and if the GWOT had been in any way justifiable, then I might feel differently; but neither of those conditions are true, so I do not.

d}  I consider the level of sycophancy that is typically shown by the American population, in contemporary terms, towards veterans and the military in general, to be both sociologically dangerous and genuinely disgusting.  The degree of outrage that I feel regarding this, is doubled by the fact that I typically become the target of anger from online veterans with entitlement complexes, who have come to believe that they deserve constant fawning from civilians.  Again, you will not be receiving that from me.

If anyone wants to consider my own contributions to this thread to have been in poor taste, then I will reply by stating that in my own mind, a thread being started for the specific purpose of veterans deliberately drawing attention to themselves, is in equally poor taste itself; if not moreso.

Finally, I will also point out that in this response, I am attempting to be rational.  From what I have observed, the majority of responses to this thread, and the underlying motivation behind them, have been purely emotional.  The level of deference that is shown towards veterans, comes from a sense of moral obligation to do so; which again, is virtually never subjected to genuine critical analysis.  I believe it should be.

when my husband joined, the military was not at war.  it was all quiet and people were joining for the medical, dental and schooling opportunities.  he joined and tried to get a position as a chaplain's assistant, but there were no openings, so he opted to work in the mail room and eventually as a records manager.  he never carried a gun, nor was he required to shoot people for his entire 20+ years of service.  that essentially means that while he was supporting the military, his involvement in the killing part of the military was about as significant as a taxpayer's support.  if you live in a country with a military that you pay taxes to support, welcome to the planet, as most people in the military never shoot a person or drop a bomb or fly a drone.

[Sinny]

You raise a point about the tex payers being complicit.
However, at least we have a few hundred thousand tax payer standing outside Downing Street and Washington protesting against the military policies. We are ignored in our own democracy... Sorry, I meant plutocracy.

As Einstein put it "the world will always know war, until the soldiers them selves refuse to fight". Para phrased obviously.

We all know most people sign up to the armed forces for the perks, and not really for the killing, besides the minority...

However Petrus still raises a good point in noting that active service in combat tours is completely voluntary. If someone makes a choice to go kill strangers, they still make that choice.... Depending how much indepandant thought the basic brainwashing has taken from them.

Final note: there is no glory or honour in war.

[Amaterasu]

What are you and the others that share your views DOING about getting those local "psychopaths" out of office?

Does spreading ideas that need to spread to work count?  Come on z, You really didn't say THAT, did You?  LOL!

Do you think talking about it will dislodge them or will it take affirmative action (like a military takeover or coup)

You assume these are the only possibilities.  "Talking about it" helps keep it in Consciousness, but the efforts in sharing the ideas are the key factor. 

If it came to push or shove to remove said "psychopaths"... would you and others that share your view, say those in Anonymoose, march on the "psychopaths" and remove them?

If the 95% of Us whose standard of living will improve choose to create differently will the psychopaths do the dirt Themselves?  Start the energy flowing and have statistically all of Us on the same page - which hasn't happened before, but then neither has the ability to remove money from the equation here - and We will create better.

Would appreciate not being lumped.  I am one Human speaking as one Human, with no desire to focus on Me and the anon path served both to help spread awareness and hid My one buck tooth.  (Ooooo.  A personal detail!  LOL!)  AnyOne - in the anon structure or any other structure - that wants to share the ideas, do what They can towards that goal, are welcome to do so.

Or is it easier to attack "we the people" who try to cope withing the current paradign?

Surely it is not Me You're thinking of here.  I have never "attack[ed] "we the people"" in any way.  It is Me who says the average Human is beautiful and is merely beset with the acts and actions of a very few psychopaths who have all the money and therefore power.  You on the other hand, insist We Humans are violent, crazy, power-hungry, warriors ready to slaughter One anOther on any provocation, believing this is true based on fantasy and games We play within.

[Amaterasu]

Well you can always try Russia  I hear it worked for Snowden

WTF does that mean?  I'm stumped.  How is it relevant to the corporate history of the entity posing as "government?"

[zorgon]

most people in the military never shoot a person or drop a bomb or fly a drone.

yeah BUT....

...he has intel we need on secret space program stuff

[undo11]

You raise a point about the tex payers being complicit.
However, at least we have a few hundred thousand tax payer standing outside Downing Street and Washington protesting against the military policies. We are ignored in our own democracy... Sorry, I meant plutocracy.

As Einstein put it "the world will always know war, until the soldiers them selves refuse to fight". Para phrased obviously.

We all know most people sign up to the armed forces for the perks, and not really for the killing, besides the minority...

However Petrus still raises a good point in noting that active service in combat tours is completely voluntary. If someone makes a choice to go kill strangers, they still make that choice.... Depending how much indepandant thought the basic brainwashing has taken from them.

Final note: there is no glory or honour in war.

well once you are "hired" to do service for your country, you are invested and have an obligation that you swore to do to your best ability.    just to give you some idea, at least 50% of people who enlist, don't make it past boot camp. another 50% don't make it out of the school that follows boot camp.  and then something like 70% don't re-enlist after the first 4 years.  over 90% of people who enlisted, don't make it to the 20 year retirement age.   to make it the full 20 years, you have to be really dedicated and willing to put up with some horrible stuff that is often not done to other people, but to you as a soldier. you become a living, breathing, intelligent guinea pig.  they own you lock, stock and barrel, and even though they don't own your children or your spouses, the powers that be have no qualms about abusing entire families or risking their lives for their little experiments they do to the soldiers.

[undo11]

yeah BUT....

...he has intel we need on secret space program stuff

no he doesn't. he just saw a weird craft. that's all i've ever heard from him, although i've accused him teasingly, of being like arnold's true lies movie character, who makes his wife think his job is mundane when in fact, it's all super secret agenty stuff.  but no, he's just what he said he was, a desk jockey. and now that he's retired, he's still a desk jockey.

[undo11]

what i think is happening is the money guys don't want to pay the retirement pensions to the military people they used to take over the world.  so they are beating that drum of claiming that a pension or medical benefit is an entitlement, when in fact, its just like social security -- an agreement made between the person and the government, to guarantee income when the person is retirement age, in exchange for investment of time, labor and/or money investment over time.   and now that they've spent everyone's social security monies on other stuff, they want to renig on that as well. 

[Back]

Wow

I said that I was done with this thread but I see .

So I will say this I was a highly trained Marine.

I posted on Peggy my sighying of a ufo including time dates dirrections ect and where is it.

Some one need to do some home work.

O and I just broke L4 L5 2 shrapenal ect

I just want answers

Bless

B

[undo11]

my big question is similar to armap's. without a military your country would be subject to invasions and incursions all the time.  the issue at hand is, who owns the us military.  if its the banking cartel, their leadership contains several unnamed participants from signatory countries, which means those countries are in some way benefitting from the actions of the us military.  in effect, the us military has become the world's guns for hire, even if most of the military members never see combat or use a gun.  then the whole thing is blamed on the american people and/or the families of the military.

you can't make this stuff up!

[undo11]

Wow

I said that I was done with this thread but I see .

So I will say this I was a highly trained Marine.

I posted on Peggy my sighying of a ufo including time dates dirrections ect and where is it.

Some one need to do some home work.

O and I just broke L4 L5 2 shrapenal ect

I just want answers

Bless

B

gosh, that's awful.  wish i could give you some medical advice, but that's such a difficult area of the body.

anybody else have any nutritional / herbal / homeopathetic suggestions for back?