The Hills of Apollo - An Enigma

[zorgon]

What's up with that, friend?

Well that is the Bane of a Sceptic Since they believe in nothing they seem negative in everything

I actually got a ticket on that Pan Am shuttle... its still on my wall. To bad Pan Am went bankrupt and we never did get passenger service to space...

What's up with THAT?   

[zorgon]

Then I spent two hours trying to explain to my friend what the hell was the meaning of the giant hershey bar?....

The first monolith discovered in the modern age was uncovered on the Moon at the site of an inexplicably powerful magnetic field near the crater Tycho. It was called the Tycho Magnetic Anomaly 1 ("TMA-1") before the monolith was discovered. After this is discovered to be an alien artifact, its name becomes the "Tycho Monolith Anomaly 1" (still TMA-1). Soon afterward, a second, larger monolith was discovered orbiting Jupiter; it was dubbed "TMA-2". A few centuries in the future, a third monolith is discovered that is buried on Earth in rocks that were clearly millions of years old, and it is surrounded by primitive human artefacts. This one is retroactively named "TMA-0" (as opposed to "TMA-3") because it had been the first monolith to be discovered by men-apes during prehistoric times.

The term "Tycho Magnetic Anomaly" is something of a misnomer when referring to "TMA-0" and "TMA-2", since neither of these is found on the Moon (let alone in Tycho Crater) and neither one of them emits any significant magnetic field, as described in the novel 2010: Odyssey Two. In the novel, the Russian crewmen of the spaceship Alexei Leonov refer to the TMA-2 as "Zagadka" (from the Russian word for "enigma", "mystery", or "riddle").



The Ancients  or First Borns

The extraterrestrial species that built the monoliths is never described in much detail, but some knowledge of its existence is given to Dave Bowman after he is transported by the stargate to the "cosmic zoo", as detailed in the novels 2001: A Space Odyssey and 2010: Odyssey Two. The existence of this species is only hypothesized by the rest of humanity, but it is obvious because the monolith was immediately identified as an artefact of non-human origin.

The extraterrestrial species that built the monoliths developed intergalactic travel millions or perhaps billions of years before the present time. In the novels, Clarke refers to them as the "Firstborn" (not to be confused with the identically-named race in Arthur C. Clarke's and Stephen Baxter's Time Odyssey Series) since they were quite possibly the first sentient species to possess a significant capability of interstellar travel. Members of this species explored the universe in the search of knowledge, and especially knowledge about other intelligent species.

While these early explorers discovered that life was quite common, they observed that intelligent life was often stunted in its development, or else died out prematurely. Hence, they set about fostering it. The "Firstborn" were in many ways physically different from human beings, though from another point-of-view they were fundamentally the same: they were creatures made of "flesh and blood", and hence like human beings they were mortal.

However, the evolutionary development projects they began would by their nature require very long time-spans to complete, far longer than the lifetimes of their creators. Therefore, the aliens created increasingly complex automated machines to oversee and carry out their projects over the eons. When they encountered a living world that had features in favour of the evolution of intelligent life, they left behind the monoliths as remote observers that were also capable of taking a variety of actions according to the wishes of their creators. One such planet, encountered when it was still quite young, was the Earth. They also observed Jupiter and its watery moon, Europa. The decaying ecology of Mars was also visited, but passed over in favour of more fruitful locations like Earth. The aliens left behind three monoliths to observe and enact their plan to foster humans to pursue technology and space travel.

As described in Clarke's novel, the Firstborn discovered later how to transfer their consciousness onto computers, and thus they became thinking machines. In the end, they surpassed even this achievement, and were able to transfer entirely from physical to non-corporeal forms – the "Lords of the Galaxy" — omniscient, immortal, and capable of travelling at great speeds. The Firstborn had abandoned physical form, but their creations, the monoliths, remained, and these continued to carry out their original assignments.






Dave's Ship  --- somewhere beyond Saturn

[ArMaP]

As expected, the background is not exactly the same, as we can see in the animation below or by looking at the original photos instead of those black and white bad, unidentified copies posted by Elvis Hendrix.

[spacemaverick]

Hey....Zorgon...who is that face in the monolith in your entry?  I noticed it when I looked.

[Elvis Hendrix]

Armap, with all respect. You just did a better job than I ever could in presenting the only backdrop they had.
Thank you it's very clear.
Well done.
Elvis.

[ArMaP]

Armap, with all respect. You just did a better job than I ever could in presenting the only backdrop they had.
Thank you it's very clear.
Well done.
Elvis.

The only backdrop? With the hills changing their relative positions? Only if they had a 3D backdrop.

Edited to add an animation with just two photos, this shows better what I was saying.

[ArMaP]

Hey....Zorgon...who is that face in the monolith in your entry?  I noticed it when I looked.

Kubrick, if I'm not mistaken.

[Ellirium113]

Kubrick's Odyssey {Jay Weidner documentary}
http://nemesistv.info/video/HO3SMWSXYK42/kubricks-odyssey-secrets-hidden-in-the-films-of-stanley-kubrick-part-1#

[thorfourwinds]

Greetings ArMaP:

That is one of Your best replies to one of our questions.   

That's good!   

Thank You for Your time and consideration.

(Reaches for popcorn...) 

However...

Your 'intention' is typical of the majority of Your posts.

In line with the fact that 75% (at least) of Your posts are negative.

What's up with that, friend?

Probably because most of my posts are answers to things I think are wrong,
as I'm not the type of person that posts just to agree with other people.

As evidenced with our affiliation with Anonymous, we prefer to look for the positive things that we find agreement with,
instead of attempting to enforce One's view as to "what's wrong" with other peoples opinions/views.

Here, again, You assume a position based on NO INTEL and make another supercilious statement.

No intel? Why do you say that?

I have never watched 2001 in full, and I have no intention of doing it, it's one of the most boring movies I know.

Having admitted to not watching 2001 in full was our meaning of 'NO INTEL.'

So, do You make such a snap judgement on all movies?

Yes, we remember that You previously stated that You "do not waste Your time on Youtube videos..."

Just for grins, would You mind sharing, say 5, movies that You have viewed in Your lifetime that You do not find boring?

Thank You for Your time and consideration.

BTW, did You see ?

Julia was dear friend and being on the set as a grip and close personal friend of the producers was interesting, to say the least.









tfw
Peace Love Light
Liberty & Equality or Revolution

Hec'el oinipikte  (that we shall live)

[thorfourwinds]

For your consideration:





Blackmagic

[thorfourwinds]

Didn't find these videos posted previously... what do You think, Dear reader?

[thorfourwinds]

And this is (IMHO) one of the most entertaining and thought provoking videos in the mix   

[The Matrix Traveller]

The Root of 'Division' and 'Conflict' stems from the 'Double Logic' within the human Genome.

Some religious Institutions refer to this 'Double Logic' as either 'the Mark of the Beast'
or the Number (666)   

According to The Books of E'NOCH the other species on earth were also made corrupt by a minority NOT of the Earth.!   

Most can't accept that the 'beast' (a beast of the Field) IS the 'human Primate'.   

[Sinny]

To expand on Trix's last post:

Rudolf Steiner: Lucifer, Ahriman & Asuras
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=rudolf+steiner+pdf&oq=rudolf+steiner+pdf&gs_l=mobile-heirloom-serp.1.0.0l3j0i22i30l2.68104.73703.0.76427.19.15.0.1.1.0.637.1366.0j2j4-1j1.4.0....0...1c.1.34.mobile-heirloom-serp..14.5.1445.JSXNgD1SHxw

[ArMaP]

However...

As evidenced with our affiliation with Anonymous, we prefer to look for the positive things that we find agreement with,
instead of attempting to enforce One's view as to "what's wrong" with other peoples opinions/views.

I have thought before that we see things from completely opposite points of view (and the above sentence shows that), probably even in things we agree.
I look for the positive things, but instead of publicizing them as positive things (unless I see a need for that, which means that's probably the result of some negative thing I see) I think "good, that's taken care of, what should we try to make better now" and start looking for the negative (or less positive) things that need to be looked into or, at least, made noticed by those that can do something about it.

And no, I am not enforcing my view, I'm just presenting it, even if I wanted to, how could I do it?

Having admitted to not watching 2001 in full was our meaning of 'NO INTEL.'

Less intel than I could have would be a better way of describing my position, as, to me, "no intel" could be only applied if I haven't seen any part of the movie.

So, do You make such a snap judgement on all movies?

No, do you make such snap judgements about people?

Yes, we remember that You previously stated that You "do not waste Your time on Youtube videos..."

I don't remember ever saying it that way.
I try not to waste time with any thing, and most videos posted on the Internet are just a different (and slower) way of presenting some data. Video, like any other communication medium, is just a tool, I just think people abuse the availability of posting YouTube videos and use it when they should use a different medium, like making an YouTube video to show photos, in many cases losing all the advantage of high resolution photos by turning them into a highly compressed Flash video.

Just for grins, would You mind sharing, say 5, movies that You have viewed in Your lifetime that You do not find boring?

There are many movies I don't find boring, as I see at least one each week. Let me see, the first movie that comes to my mind is one of my all time favourites, "Arsenic and old lace". I can also think of "Star Wars (Episode IV: A New Hope)", "Mad Max", "Life of Brian" and "1941".

The movie I watched yesterday, "The Devil's Tomb", is boring. 

Thank You for Your time and consideration.

No problems.

BTW, did You see ?

Yes, but I didn't like it much, and I'm not a fan of Spielberg.