Ebola has been confirmed in the United States

[Wrabbit2000]

Okay folks. I have a BIG bee in my little bunny bonnet. In fact, it's not even a bumble bee. It's a B-52 class bomber bee the size of Mothman!

I do here something I very rarely ever do. I am largely retyping a commentary I shared on a site I work at this morning. However, try as I might, I really couldn't come up with a better way to say this...and said, it must be. Oh yes... it must be said.

ENOUGH!!!

As you might have gathered by my initial posts about Ebola. It's a topic I have interest in and have for a few years. Its something I absolutely do NOT take lightly or easily for being present and in the wild across America. Even to a small degree. This bug IS one of the most deadly, vicious and unforgiving little bastards man has ever had the fatal misfortune of encountering.

Having said that? When, for the love of all that is common sense, is ENOUGH ENOUGH?!? I've had Fox running in the background at times this weekend and it's absurd! CNN got slammed on MH370 coverage and by goodness, they got off EASY from that obscenity, if anything. Fox and the others are WORSE about Ebola and this is totally out of hand.

We have had one. ONE imported case. We have had TWO ...TWO...contact cases from that index. Nothing more (yet) and no other import sources thus far. That MAY change...but then Russia MAY launch missiles on Mainland America tomorrow and monkeys MAY take flight out of my posterior at or around the same time. MAY is a MONTH, not a probability factor to make plans on or panic a nation over.

THIS IS ABSURD!

24/7 coverage..or very near it...and not a fact in sight!! That is what most of this amounts to by what I see at this point. Endless speculation, drawn from assumptions, built on presumption and all coming to supposition. In other words.....B.S. shoveled onto B.S. until it sits high enough to clear the table and be a News anchor. (sigh)

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On the other hand...Who remembers the fact the Fast and Furious docs so serious, an Attorney General announced his resignation ahead of, are due to be released by court order within a couple days? Golly......you'd almost have forgotten that entirely, huh? Then again..That was almost certainly the point of the exercise. Those documents, as ordered to be released by near force at this stage, likely have VERY damaging legal facts against some serving officials of this Government. Not that we'll be focused enough to notice...(cough...err..)

No No No..I don't suggest anything about Ebola being artificial or a conspiracy (Enough people are babbling that nonsense to fill books and asylums to overflowing). I'm simply noting that 'No crisis shall go to waste' and they are running THIS one so far BEYOND decent, that it has properly crossed into outright obscene. Truly obscene. Doom Porn and Panic Parties rolled into one.

Happy Halloween and oh...Yeah....like we've seen every year since this man took office (No kidding, look back..I'm dead serious) Our Holidays are ruined again, and there shall be NO permission from those who determine what we think now, to enjoy them on ANY level. Christmas must offend these people. They make DAMN sure America hasn't had a decent one since day 2008 (And Bush trashed that one pretty well with his Tarp garbage amid the bursting bubble).

Welcome to the new America, where we are always scared to death of something. If we don't have something? Media will helpfully supply a new item to fear without delay. After all, fear seems the only constant we can count on anymore.

Anyone else notice that forming as something of a pattern (secondary to events themselves) these days?

[Wrabbit2000]

I have another story to share today, and it runs close to the lines of the above half-rant about the extreme tabloid coverage the media has been engaged in for Ebola since almost day 1. NBC has some problems.

Snyderman, a surgeon who spent 17 years as a medical correspondent for ABC News and has been at NBC since 2006, covered the Ebola outbreak in West Africa and worked briefly with Ashoka Mukpo, the cameraman who caught the virus and is now being treated in Nebraska. Upon returning to the United States, Snyderman and her crew voluntarily agreed to quarantine themselves for 21 days, the longest known incubation period for the disease. They have shown no symptoms.

Everyone may recall the NBC photographer/camera operator who contracted Ebola while covering the story in Africa. Well, then you may also recall the crew to be immediately around him (and possibly in contact with the same source he was) was to be in voluntary quarantine.

Dr. Nancy Snyderman was a member of that crew when the Cameraman was infected. The good Doctor is one of the talking head pieces at NBC to bark their stories on que and with the proper tone. I have a dim view of the "experts" hired by media to begin with, having known a couple that do that contract work, to view what gets hired for it (I wouldn't hire who I've known to lecture a grade school class on tying one's shoes). However, Doctor Ebola took this a step too far, IMO.

'Quarantine for thee but none for me! ! '

Yet New Jersey health officials ruled that her quarantine should be mandatory after Snyderman and her crew were spotted getting takeout food from a New Jersey restaurant.

NBC won't give details about who actually went into the restaurant, or even how many of its employees are being quarantined. Snyderman issued a statement saying "members of our group" violated their pledge.

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Oh golly... they "violated their pledge". I see... Is that how they see it? Okay...then I suppose we'll say an AIDS infected person knowingly having unprotected sex with another just 'dodged their social responsibility'. Err..wait..too late. That can already be termed a proper crime and prosecuted that way.

I don't suggest this arrogant excuse for "The Media Elite" be simply fired. How do the employees who simply showed up to work their shift and go home that night feel? How do they view this woman putting her own need for a hamburger above their right to live another day, week or month? Is it fair that someone with an outsized view of their own importance, willfully endanger the lives of other people over a matter of a few days difference for isolation? They SOUND clean....not being symptomatic yet. SOUNDS...isn't CONFIRMED tho and when DEATH is the price of "oops?", I think this good Doctor needs to become a good INMATE at the local jail, in isolation and for the remainder of her 21 days.

IF....ONE PERSON she and her crew exposed becomes ill and confirmed with Ebola? She should stand charges with her crew for 1st degree negligent homicide (or attempted, if they survive). Period. No Questions. This 'Worship thyself' to the point of reckless disregard to the very lives of anyone else is over the top.

Just my two cents...and to see this happen from the very media working to scare everyone into a tizzy is just too much.

NBC = Never Been Correct ....and they proved it for the ages, with this one.

[petrus4]

Having said that? When, for the love of all that is common sense, is ENOUGH ENOUGH?!? I've had Fox running in the background at times this weekend and it's absurd! CNN got slammed on MH370 coverage and by goodness, they got off EASY from that obscenity, if anything. Fox and the others are WORSE about Ebola and this is totally out of hand.

Ebola is doom porn.  It's pretty much a complete non-event.  It's the usual apocalyptic "happening," being promoted by the bored, the nihilistic, and the otherwise malevolent, for the purposes of stirring the uncritical sheep up into a lather of hysteria.

We're talking about a virus which is non-airborne, and only spreads via personal contact.  Comparitively speaking, this is not a highly contagious disease.  The bubonic plague was airborne, and went through entire villages and cities.  Granted, the mortality rate is a bit scary, but that's pretty much the only thing about it that is.  You've got to get it before it can kill you, and you've got better odds of winning next week's $20 million lottery than getting a visit from Ebola-Chan.

So, yeah.  Doom on if you want, but recognise that you're only doing that because you enjoy it.  Ebola doesn't legitimately represent the apocalypse, or anything remotely close.  About the worst I can see it doing, is maybe helping to alleviate America's homeless problem slightly, (and when I say slightly, I mean it; as in, well under 5,000 total domestic cases in the US, and probably under 1,000) and also providing virologists with a stimulating intellectual puzzle; but that's about it.

[Wrabbit2000]

It's pretty much a complete non-event.

There are many thousands of people who have lost love ones in the past few months that would take very serious issue with that description of this disease.  A virus can mutate to a LESS dangerous form as easily as MORE dangerous though. I do wonder at this stage if this hasn't subtly shifted in it's makeup to being a bit less than it has been, elsewhere.

We're talking about a virus which is non-airborne, and only spreads via personal contact.

As long as you're not within 3 physical feet of someone showing symptoms and coughing, sneezing or otherwise spewing their fluids into the air in short bursts.

It can be carried by the air. It simply doesn't live or sustain itself there, like the flu. By contrast, HIV/AIDS is contagious too, but neither airborne or carried sufficiently to cross the air and infect, even in that short distance. That distinction always seems to get lost somewhere.

Comparitively speaking, this is not a highly contagious disease.  The bubonic plague was airborne, and went through entire villages and cities.

Airborne redefines it entirely and so plague has zero relevant comparison to this. Ebola contagion factor seems to vary significantly by outbreak instance, too

If you spend time reading the summary field reports and overall data on each outbreak (there are not so many that this can't be done in an evening, BTW) it becomes clear that Ebola in general is a tricky little sucker for how it isn't the same behavior every time and then vanishes before anyone gets a good look at it in action (until now).

Ebola doesn't legitimately represent the apocalypse, or anything remotely close.

I never suggested it did, here or anywhere else for the couple years I have been writing about Ebola for different stories (Usually Kenya related). Even at average mortality rates for Ebola and following a mutation to airborne form.....we'd be looking at around 70% attrition of the population. 30% would remain....or in this nation? Roughly 100 million survivors. Hardly an apocalypse, from even worst case and wild scenarios, eh? 

About the worst I can see it doing, is maybe helping to alleviate America's homeless problem slightly

Ouch... I'm somewhat surprised anyone even went there for suggesting what segments wouldn't be so bad to see die in one of the hardest ways to go, short of burning alive.


It seems this isn't (at this stage) anything like potential suggested it could have been. it's not over..but I will agree this isn't the thing it was prudent to first consider possible. Thank goodness for it, and it's a thing to be happy about. Perhaps the only thing in this.

[zorgon]

It seems this isn't (at this stage) anything like potential suggested it could have been.

And there in lies the apathy...

Legionaires Disease, SARS, H1N1, Bird Flu, Spanish Flu. Asian Flu, Swine Flu, Russian Flu.... one pandemic scare after another... yet not one of them ever comes close to even a percentage of what we were told to expect...

Heck even Bubonic Plague is making a comeback  just google   "The Return of the Black Death"

[Wrabbit2000]

Heck even Bubonic Plague is making a comeback  just google   "The Return of the Black Death"

lol... No kidding on that. The media go absolutely bananas about almost anything, anymore. It really has gone beyond silly and into the counterproductive or outright harmful. Of course, Ebola has been a bit unique. This was the first time in it's history that it got into an urban population of any kind, anywhere. Then, the first time it crossed into the U.S. in our history. Some big things there to give attention to, initially anyway. At least I have.

I keep the global incident outbreak tracker around and have checked it about once a week for the last couple years now, for that reason. It tends to show what is actually happening, while MSM just screams about skies falling and doom coming in the next 24hr news cycle (So stay tuned!!).

After all, you mention the  Plague? Why....there is an potential outbreak of that, by some standards anyway, in Flagstaff, Arizona. As we speak! (hops around excitedly)

When a number of fleas infected with the plague was found in northern Flagstaff, it warranted some concern.

The disease is the same one that wiped out an estimated 60 percent of Europe's population in the last millennium and barely left enough people alive to bury the dead. But scientists and public-health officials say modern amenities and advances have left the bug that carries the plague a minor threat to most Americans.

The bacterium, Yersinia pestis, persisted for centuries, causing three major outbreaks: the Justinian plague, the Great Plague and the Modern Plague. The last one began in China in the 1860s and spread to port cities around the world, including in the United States. It's still present in today's rodent populations.

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Heck of a world, isn't it? (I swear, if someone picks up the Flagstaff story for a real threat, I'll beat 'em with a carrot! It happens regularly enough. lol...)

[petrus4]

Ouch... I'm somewhat surprised anyone even went there for suggesting what segments wouldn't be so bad to see die in one of the hardest ways to go, short of burning alive.

It wasn't a statement that was intended seriously.

[Wrabbit2000]

It's a miracle I tell ya! A true miracle! The 2nd nurse lives! In fact, she is declared free of the Ebola virus!

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — The family of a Texas nurse who flew to Ohio and was diagnosed with Ebola says doctors no longer detect the virus in her body.

A family statement released Wednesday through a media consultant says officials at Emory University Hospital and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention couldn't detect Ebola in Amber Vinson as of Tuesday evening. Doctors usually do two tests a day apart before saying they can't detect the virus. It's unclear how many tests Vinson has had.

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Now why is it I'm not happy? This should be GOOD news right? Err..... HOW long as she had any form of primary care? HOW long has she had the intensive care at Emory? So...HOW long did it take from being a deadly infection threat to being free to walk out of isolation a cured person?

I'm starting to wonder about their test accuracy, to be honest here. This doesn' t track with the Africa outbreak of the "same" bug. Not well at all. Africans are dropping dead and spreading it like a good rumor while Americans are, thus far, 100% cured to the last case handled. No exception. No bad outcomes. The only one to die came here from elsewhere and caught it elsewhere.

I smell a rat the size of a friggen poodle in this woodpile. 0% mortality rate vs. well north of 50% documented in this specific outbreak elsewhere? 0....50? Hey...wait a minute here, I say... What gives?? We have medicine. Yes. Indeed we do. We aren't Buck Rogers to Africa's mud hut hospitals. There is a big difference....but it isn't a difference worthy of taking a world class killer down to something with no terminal concern whatever.

......and if, by some chance we DO have medical technology *THAT* superior to Africa? God help us when that fact occurs to THEM on a large scale. Their next thought may well be that we didn't JUST invent all this technology, nor did we JUST have a thought to using it for hemorrhagic fever. In other words......If our tech is that good, then there are legion of bodies piled on another continent which never needed to be, but for sharing the tech we somehow have in this. They MIGHT even be a tad pissed off when that full realization sinks in .... assuming that is how we explain a 100% total success rate, where American medicine hasn't even held a candle to it when taken over THERE to use.

Again...a rat the size of poodle I do declare. That is what I think we smell here. We're not THAT "God-Like" compared to other nations. This is getting silly in that way.

[Wrabbit2000]

All the details aren't out yet, but I imagine they will be in short order....

A doctor in New York City has been confirmed with Ebola. He's been back in the US from working in Guinea for 10 or so days and is described as 'very sick' at Bellevue Hospital, where he checked in at 103 degree fever. He'd just been out across taxis, a subway and doing something at a bowling alley.

(throws papers into air)

There goes containment. He's basically the bad version of symptomatic, in the worst place that could happen, right across mass transit. Now we'll really see if this bug is as contagious as the books say it can be, or not. Obviously the hope is not but I'd say the panic will spread with NO problem at all. The headline panic seems to have already begun.

Even as the authorities worked to confirm that Mr. Spencer was infected with Ebola, it emerged that he traveled from Manhattan to Brooklyn on the subway on Wednesday night, when he went to a bowling alley and then took a taxi home.

The next morning, he reported having a temperature of 103 degrees, raising questions about his health while he was out in public.

Questions indeed.... Was he trying to replay scenes from 12 Monkeys or something? Talk about dense population to be coughing and being sick in.

A health care worker at the hospital said that Dr. Spencer seemed very sick and it was unclear to the medical staff why he had not gone to the hospital earlier, since his fever was high, at 103.

Dr. Spencer is a fellow of international emergency medicine at NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital/Columbia University Medical Center, and an instructor in clinical medicine at Columbia University.

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An instructor of what, precisely? What not to do? The article mentions this was another who said he'd self quarantine. So much for that whole honor system B.S..

[zorgon]

New York could use a cleansing   

[Wrabbit2000]

New York could use a cleansing   

I don't know about a cleansing, but I can be certain New York City will suffer a full blown outbreak. Oh..not Ebola, perhaps. Time will tell on that, and the other line of cases doesn't look strong for it happening here. 'Fear-Bola' will spread like the wind and infect a large % of the city tho, I am sure. 

I did just notice this cross the wires though...

CDC Director Tom Frieden on NYC Ebola patient: 'Dr. Craig Spencer is one of many heroes, protecting the US and Africa. Our thoughts and all support are with him and his care team' - @DrFriedenCDC

It doesn't have more source yet, as it's a quote coming off a statement being given somewhere (how that usually appears). A hero eh? The guy to spend his last symptomatic evenings painting the town and having a blast around people with no clue ..after he apparently said he'd self quarantine?

I wouldn't call the guy a hero. He's the example of self absorbed, self centered excess where killing others by sheer negligence and reckless action doesn't seem to matter...as long as the 'self' is happy.

Maybe our nation does deserve a cleansing when those held as leaders and kept in place to lead have statements like that to share with a public reacting to the news.

I guess Typhoid Mary must have had some supporters..somewhere too? She was released once to spread more before being locked away forever.

[VillageIdiot]

[08rubicon]

  Have a question..Have heard that the ebola virus can be spread by sexual contact well past the 21 day
limit.Has anyone heard of babies being born with the
virus? Would they be immune? Could they be carriers? Thanks, in advance..
    Rubicon

Now why is it I'm not happy? This should be GOOD news right? Err..... HOW long as she had any form of primary care? HOW long has she had the intensive care at Emory? So...HOW long did it take from being a deadly infection threat to being free to walk out of isolation a cured person?






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[ArMaP]

  Have a question..Have heard that the ebola virus can be spread by sexual contact well past the 21 day
limit.

What I read was that the virus has been detected in sperm more than 40 (I think) days, but that was in a sample stored in a refrigerator.

[zorgon]

I don't know about a cleansing, but I can be certain New York City will suffer a full blown outbreak.

Ah yes  New York....

Operation: Big City
U.S Army Tests Bio-Weapons on U.S. Citizens