Bomb Everyone by George Monbiot

[undo11]

Is it?

yes the fundie version blames it on women.

[undo11]

don't misunderstand .  i'm not saying we should be bombing them.  that's ludicrous. but if someone doesn't correct the situation, it's going to get very bad and deadly for at least 50% of the human species, and flat out deadly for the other half.

on top of that, we have no way of knowing if this scenario is being used as a depopulation function and just using the cover of islam as a means to an end, which can then be blamed on islamic people.  whatever the reason, it needs to stop.

[ArMaP]

yes the fundie version blames it on women.

That explains it, the fundie version of almost all religions does it.

[Glaucon]

Is it?

Under strict Islamic law, "4 males" who bore witness to the rape and subsequently testify in court to that effect, are required for a conviction of the suspect. Or the suspect admits guilt and his intentional "non-consensual" nature of the encounter.

If one of those criteria are not met, the woman is essentially (and I believe legally) admitting to sexual conduct. If she is married, then that is adultery.

[undo11]

the problem is, even if isis is not composed of actual muslims, the fact the fundie version of their teachings, support that behavior, would still allow truly evil bastards to use it to their advantage, regardless and then blame it on all muslims, regardless.  on the other hand, no one wants to be dictated to about what they should or shouldn't believe.  the difference here is a matter of extremes .

[undo11]

That explains it, the fundie version of almost all religions does it.

agreed, and that includes world views that don't contain religious teachings as well.  a fundie is someone who takes otherwise ethical teaching and turns it into an excuse to remodel the planet in whatever fashion they want it.  this would naturally include atheists and agnostics who would be happy not to have to share the planet with fundies of any kind. 

two wrongs will never make a right, and that's what this thread is attempting to explain. however, if someone doesn't stop this isis thing from spreading, you can all kiss your shiney hineys good bye. cause the machine sounds to be designed for the purpose of killing, period, not for making life better for muslim people.

[Pimander]

Is it?

I think that it says so in Leviticus.  Leviticus is also a holy book of Christianity and Judaism.

[Pimander]

I thought a fundie was a fundamentalist?  SOmeone who thinks that scripture is fundamentally and literally true?

[undo11]

I think that it says so in Leviticus.  Leviticus is also a holy book of Christianity and Judaism.

precisely, and that's based on the idea that it's our fault we are procreators, which is the silly.   sin = becoming procreators. 

then, followed up by the teaching that it was the creator who condemned us with shortened life spans and that women were particularly evil because they tempted man with procreation .  that's where the whole concept of blaming the female, came from. 

clearly these are 2 entirely different teachings, being taught as if the creator was the destroyer, when in fact, the creator was not the problem at all.  the problem was the owner of the planet, who holds the planet as a piece of real estate. 

[undo11]

I thought a fundie was a fundamentalist?  SOmeone who thinks that scripture is fundamentally and literally true?

fundamentalism is any extreme version of an ethical teaching, whether that be from a government or a church. to be fundamental about something is to be extreme. 

unfortunately, forcing people to not be extreme to the detriment of their otherwise ethical world view,  has not been successful either. 

[ArMaP]

Under strict Islamic law, "4 males" who bore witness to the rape and subsequently testify in court to that effect, are required for a conviction of the suspect. Or the suspect admits guilt and his intentional "non-consensual" nature of the encounter.

True

If one of those criteria are not met, the woman is essentially (and I believe legally) admitting to sexual conduct. If she is married, then that is adultery.

If one of those criteria is not met then she is accused of lying to incriminate someone and punished for that.

[undo11]

to say i'm pissed off that i now know that the issue of sin, was not even our fault, in the first place, is putting it mildly, however, this does not mean i'm going to go out and kill people to remedy that anger.  rather i'm going to ask the question:

is it really, HONESTLY, worth it to hold to your view that because you disagree with someone that he/she should be coerced, forced or otherwise manipulated into believing as you do, or die? 

[undo11]

i woud seriously like an answer to that question ^
if it's okay for us to go around killing people we disagree with,
how come no one told me that? 

anybody know the answer to that? 

[Amaterasu]

fundamentalism is any extreme version of an ethical teaching, whether that be from a government or a church. to be fundamental about something is to be extreme. 

unfortunately, forcing people to not be extreme to the detriment of their otherwise ethical world view,  has not been successful either.

To be sure, there are agents provocateurs that whip up "fundamentalism."  The urge to profit from war is strong on the dark side.  So...  What would happen if there was no way to pay toadies?  Would there be the agents provocateurs, the false flags, the psyops, the yellow and manufactured "journalism," the false rumors, the shilling, the downright lies?

Back to Your regularly scheduled program.  [smile]

[Pimander]

if it's okay for us to go around killing people we disagree with,
how come no one told me that? 

anybody know the answer to that?

I don't know why nobody told you that but it isn't okey with me to kill anyone for disagreeing.