One thing no one can disprove...

[RUSSO]

Oh so your talking about the dope head who admittedly was so high he couldn't remember much except a couple of names on an Excell spreadsheet? Lol 

I know nothing about dopes... just that:

It is claimed that between February 2001 and March 2002 Mr McKinnon hacked into dozens of US army, navy, air force, and Department of Defense computers, as well as 16 Nasa computers.]It is claimed that between February 2001 and March 2002 Mr McKinnon hacked into dozens of US army, navy, air force, and Department of Defense computers, as well as 16 Nasa computers.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-19946902

...is not that bad for a "dope head" 

However i was not in his place so i cant say if truth or not. But i doubt USA would put their eyes, attention and effort if it meant nothing. Smoke? Possible fire you know

Also the iinformation matches with what was discovered about  US Naval Network and Space Operations Command (NNSOC) [formerly Naval Space Command].

I am not advocating, just think the information IS relevant as well as how the story developed to date.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

oh i'm not advocating anything either...I just heard him say that he was so high all he could remember was a few names on an Excell spreadsheet. His words, not mine...lol

He may have indeed hacked all those mainframes with a 24 bit modem...but having a little experience with these mainframes and government computers, I find it highly, no pun intended, unlikely that he got very far in any of them.

now knowing how the intelligence community works and what bastards they can be, they damn sure were going to make an example of him by going after him so vigorously and by doing so had the unintended effect of making a star out of this guy and making him a cause celebrity in the conspiracy community...

the truth as always is somewhere in the middle....

[RUSSO]

oh i'm not advocating anything either...I just heard him say that he was so high all he could remember was a few names on an Excell spreadsheet. His words, not mine...lol

He may have indeed hacked all those mainframes with a 24 bit modem...but having a little experience with these mainframes and government computers, I find it highly, no pun intended, unlikely that he got very far in any of them.

now knowing how the intelligence community works and what bastards they can be, they damn sure were going to make an example of him by going after him so vigorously and by doing so had the unintended effect of making a star out of this guy and making him a cause celebrity in the conspiracy community...

the truth as always is somewhere in the middle....

Also from that bbc link

In a BBC interview in 2005 he said: "I found out that the US military use Windows and having realised this, I assumed it would probably be an easy hack if they hadn't secured it properly."

Using commercially available software, Mr McKinnon probed dozens of US military and government networks. He found many machines without adequate password or firewall protection. So he simply hacked into them, he said.

That was a well deserved "probe" if you think about how "amateurish" their security at the time sounds.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Well maybe his admission of being high and not remembering much was his attempt to cover his azz so as to take the heat off.

Maybe, just maybe he was this super hacker and he really did infiltrate US gov. Computers and discovered all that secret space stuff? Lol.

I just don't get too excited about hackers high or not. He broke US laws and they went after him. Mostly to make an example of him.

Pretty simple. 

[RUSSO]

Maybe, just maybe he was this super hacker and he really did infiltrate US gov. Computers and discovered all that secret space stuff? Lol.

I dont think you need to be a super hacker to do what he did and dont think he discovered all the secrets the government has, but i did think he discovered relevant information because the lack of security in that network and i do think its lol funny he leaked such information we problably never would hear about or would have to wait some insider to come out with.

I just don't get too excited about hackers high or not. He broke US laws and they went after him. Mostly to make an example of him.

Pretty simple. 

It is not a matter to get excited about hackers breaking laws, its about being upset about all the secrecy and suppressed information we have to deal with. Or deal not better saying.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I don't understand why people are so upset or alarmed at governments keeping secrets. That's what they do! It's not surprising to me at all that they would. I would expect it.

Now would I love for the government to come out and say yes John Lear is absolutely right and that Zorgon guy really has nailed it. But hey what fun would that be?

This is more fun!

[RUSSO]

I don't understand why people are so upset or alarmed at governments keeping secrets.

Now would I love for the government to come out and say yes John Lear is absolutely right and that Zorgon guy really has nailed it. But hey what fun would that be?

This is more fun!

Well... i have no statistics in it, but I really think people that seek for this kind of information is not looking for fun at all.

I dont.

[Sinny]

I don't understand why people are so upset or alarmed at governments keeping secrets. That's what they do! It's not surprising to me at all that they would. I would expect it.

Now would I love for the government to come out and say yes John Lear is absolutely right and that Zorgon guy really has nailed it. But hey what fun would that be?

This is more fun!

John Lear is right about what exactly? Holograhic planes,  military UFOs, Dulce or Soul Eaters? All of the above?

Government secrecy is morally primitive and has Lucifarian tendancies when left to foster in the dark (as do most things, that tends to be where evil dwells), we should do all we can to shine a light into the darkness and live in a 'free and open' society. Our fate rests on the two scanarios, although judging by the attitudes of those who have the influence to make change, it seems our fate is sealed.

[Elvis Hendrix]

On an outlandish conspiracy vibe, I was thinking the other day, what if the Virgin plane was intentionally sabotaged ?
as a message to private space concerns to keepout of space.?

After all NASA does have the no-fly zones around the moon in place now!
Im probably totally wrong on this but it did cross my mind all the same.

[RUSSO]

On an outlandish conspiracy vibe, I was thinking the other day, what if the Virgin plane was intentionally sabotaged ?
as a message to private space concerns to keepout of space.?

Why not? After all, we see this echoing in the opinions from mass media channels already:

Enough With Amateur-Hour Space Flight

it's hard too not to be angry, even disgusted, with Branson himself. He is, as today's tragedy shows, a man driven by too much hubris, too much hucksterism and too little knowledge of the head-crackingly complex business of engineering. For the 21st century billionaire, space travel is what buying a professional sports team was for the rich boys of an earlier era: the biggest, coolest, most impressive toy imaginable. Amazon.com zillionaire Jeff Bezos has his own spacecraft company—because what can better qualify a man to build machines able to travel to space than selling books, TVs and lawn furniture online? Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft, has a space operation too because, well, spacecraft have computers and that's sort of the same thing, right?

It's Branson, however, who has always been the most troubling of the cosmic cowboys—selling not just himself on his fever dreams but his trusting customers. One of those would-be astronauts I met in the Mojave that day was a teenage girl, whose parents had put aside enough money to buy her the singular experience of a trip to space. They beamed at her courage as we spoke, and seemed thrilled about the ride she was soon to take. Those plans, presumably, are being rethought now.

http://time.com/3551643/virgin-crash-branson-amateur/

[Elvis Hendrix]

  " Enough With Amateur-Hour Space Flight "

  Thanks Russo...

   Hmmmmm!

[zorgon]

How hard then would it really have been to fool most of you? I probably could have stuck a fish bowl on my head, wrapped myself in aluminum foil, and then filmed myself high-stepping across my backyard and most of you would have believed that I was Moonwalking. Some of you couldn't entirely rule out the possibility that everyone was walking on the Moon.

So that was YOU in THIS photo?

[zorgon]

T.M. said that the "secret" NASA file was called.."SOLAR WARDEN".

Solar Warden was what started Pegasus  a long time ago at ATS in a thread called the Winged Horses and the Spaceships


Solar Warden (and Shiva Nova) was what got Henry Deacon mad at me at Project Avalon and had him delete all my work there (He was pissed that I had the facts  )

The Solar Warden fleet has those non terrestial officers that Gary McKinnon mentioned

On Stargate SG1 the Prometheus uses the REAL space command patches

Ah yes... good old Solar Warden   

[zorgon]

the secret military-intelligence space station, which has been in deep space for the past thirty years, and manned by U.S. and USSR (now CIS) military astronauts.

Oh yes THAT one... The one I have the documents on as part TWO of that TEST of mine...



I would really like to put everything I have in a neat chronological order, update it and add the new data from 21SOPS

But I am tired... I am burned out... and I have lost my muse...

sigh.....

[zorgon]

Is it the same program Gary McKinnon hacked from U.S. Space Command computers several years ago? When he learned of the existence of "non-terrestrial officers" and "fleet-to-fleet transfers" and a secret program called "Solar Warden"?

Gary McKinnon is a bumbling fool who didn't even know enough to hit print screen or check his internet cache. Most of what he spoke about he got from UFO websites

NASA whom he hacked does NOT have the secret space corps info. Even the military computers that hold secret stuff are not on the internet but on SiPRNET JWICS and the Global

Yet Gary becomes a hero of sorts even though he had nothing.  He was a convenient distraction for the Feds Nothing more

You want names of non terrestrial officers? Look at our space command thread    I have names of the Admirals in charge like THIS one that was linked to me at ATS (which some STUPID mod deleted. Fortunately I was on at the time and caught it

http://moneymaker.com/family/blueangl.htm

You don't need to hack to get the info... you just need to know where to look, who to ask and WHAT to ask for...

Like THIS

Initial identification of the cadre began in mid-2001 with the standup of the Naval Space Cadre Working Group and culminated in a naval message (NAVADMIN 201/03 DTG211435Z JUL 03) announcing the first 700 officer members of the cadre. These officers were identified by the subspecialty codes of 6206, Space Systems Operations, and 5500, Space Systems Engineering or by the additional qualification designator of VS1, VS2, VS3 or VS4. Identification of enlisted and civilian cadre members is more challenging, as these groups do not have specif?ic space identifiers like the officers do.

Approximately 265 billets are currently identified as space billets. These jobs are in Navy, joint and National Security Space organizations. Space cadre members are currently assigned throughout the National Security Space arena, including the National Reconnaissance Office, National Security Space Architect, National Security Space Integration, MILSATCOM Joint Program Office, as well as in all Navy organizations that deal with space.

Published in the AIr Force Magazine
High Frontier
The Journal for Space and Missile Professionals
Summer 2004

I remember he was charged by the Bush Justice Department with having committed "the biggest military computer hack of all time".

Go listen to what he said in his first interview  We have it on the Moon... I REALLY HATE the glory this BOZZO gets for having done NOTHING

Your all falling into the BS trap same as the moon landings 

What rings the bells why the extradition from UK and 70 years prision intimidations has gone nowhere. Think about  McKinnon in open court testifying those classified facts.How wonderfull would be government officers testifying under oath about the Navy's Space Fleet.

It went NOWHERE because they had NOTHING It was all smoke and mirrors

The Navy Space program is NOT secret  it just is not easy to find    Heck just watch Stargate SG1 and you will get more disclosure that anywhere else LOL

Like the BUDGET for space engineers being UNLIMITED  (we have those papers too)

But people would rather believe a buffoon like Gary (or Nassim Haramein with his fake alien Mayan stones on National Geographic) then any real research

In a large part THAT is exactly why I have lost my muse... I no longer see the point presenting 'the good stuff' when even staff here thinks Gary has any credibilty