NASA Rocket explodes on launch !

[Wrabbit2000]

I have to say, I am personally torn on the nature of UFO's and what we're calling Aliens for lack of a better name. Has a human been to an Alien home world or even seen one? Have we confirmed one to exist with any sign it is what it would be claimed as, at a point given? Surely that's been asked at some point. Truman was a curious little man, having hailed from the Show Me state and all, and I could see him being downright demanding about that detail from first contact he was a part of. (As I understand the chain of events people have best come to put together).

If not, and I'm not aware of any independent verification of any kind whatsoever having happened, then how do we know these are Aliens from a chain of evolution removed from our corner of the galaxy at all? World War II wasn't the first time they seem to have shown up in numbers to observe before the event that would later become obvious for the main focus, even occurred. It makes ya wonder...

In World War II, it was the Atomic blast that later years would show a real pronounced focus from UFO's toward, which I believe they had been gathering to see and record the lead up to. I think that blast at Trinity had more meaning than we've still come to understand, and it likely sent out shock waves on levels our physics don't account for yet. World War I was bigger, with more open death in fighting and wholesale numbers than World War II. Where are the massive UFO reports (which would have stood out more back then) if mere fighting and war had been the draw?

However..again..the gathering and concentration of sightings with the 'foo fighters', as one example, came before anyone could know the main event was even coming.....unless... these aren't Aliens at all. It's not hard to see why we'd assume it, and perhaps even prefer it. The alternative is a shocking one and a real unsettling one, if it hasn't been disclosed to our people in the modern times.


There are two radically different directions on the timeline they could also be coming from. Our OWN timeline. Some believe a very advanced civilization did exist a very very long time ago. Long before Homer or Plato or any dreams of a thing called Atlantis. Long before the last Ice Age began, let alone ended. If there is any truth to that, then they may well have expanded off-world during their era, and those off-world when whatever changed the reality here to end that civilization came, may have found ways to go on.

---

To really cook your noodle in considering though, is the other one I think gets short shrift. If time travel is possible, as Einstein's numbers apparently say it is in the world of theory, then it not only has happened, but IS happening and has always BEEN happening around us. Likely only at key points and moments of our history, and to observe more than alter. I'd tend to accept the premise of paradox as coming with time shifting something near as it has been presented in popular culture.

This thing is though...Time and space are simple things on one level. It's all just math, once you learn how to properly use it in a certain way. So, if it takes another 100, 1000 or 100,000 years on Earth to discover? In our reality now, that's all academic to the extreme. It would still be happening around us now, by our perception...not in the past by those traveling it.

It's the most disturbing possibility because if that has ANY merit? Then there is a real big and real nasty change of some sort between what we are today and what we're seeing ourselves having become in the distant (I'd hope very distant) future.

(hops off to let the noodles boil)

[Pimander]

End result?

NO DISCLOSURE

But there has been disclosure.  There is loads of it all over the place.  What you guys mean is the President making a live broadcast.

[The Matrix Traveller]

In the Past; Disclosure or Propaganda ?

[Pimander]

In the Past; Disclosure or Propaganda ?

Both.

We've had everything bar a handshake live on TV.

[zorgon]

But there has been disclosure.  There is loads of it all over the place.  What you guys mean is the President making a live broadcast.

"disclosure" in this context is really nothing short of a real alien appearing on CNN 



You say there is 'loads' of it all over the place? Well I have been searching since 1968... To this date all I have is a bunch of redacted papers that are very vague about what some people think they saw. I have heard a gadzillion stories from 'eye witnesses'. I have heard from the head of the Avery that "We track them on satellite" I have heard stories from John Lear first hand. I have heard symposiums ob the myriad of supposed crashed saucer recovery teams... etc  etc  etc

I have NOT seen a real Alien, I have NOT seen an Alien body, I have NOT seen an Alien or reversed engineered space craft. (yes I have seen odd glowing objects in the distance and 'critters' with generation # night goggles). I have NOT seen or touched even a tiny scrap of anything off of any one of these thousands of crashed saucers

The government is so precise about covering all this up all these years? The recover teams never miss a small piece of debris? (the top military trams that recover secret aircraft leave LOTS of bits behind)

Nope... we have circumstantial evidence by the truck load but disclosure?

Not gonna happen

[RUSSO]

"disclosure" in this context is really nothing short of a real alien appearing on CNN 

But they do Z.

go to 1:49 and see



another example of how they ridicule things.

[The Matrix Traveller]

But is this 'Phenomena', understood by the general public in its true context ?   

And just how many different types are thought to be of the same, when in fact
they may NOT all be the same Phenomena.

How much do people assume, and is their understanding correct ?

When we see our own Tech. failing so often, how advanced are we really ?

Just look at your transport; The average petrol 'Internal combustion engine' is only
about 20% thermally efficient !   

Not so technically advanced as one is lead to believe.

And is our understanding of what we are taught re. this universe Correct, or is it as far away
as one can get ?   

[Pimander]

Think really hard.  There has been disclosure by the USAF and RAF.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I agreed with 'Z'. There's too much money, too much POWER envolved, to have real disclosures unless they land on the White House lawn, jump out and do the Macarena in front of the nightly news.

Rock

[petrus4]

But there has been disclosure.  There is loads of it all over the place.  What you guys mean is the President making a live broadcast.

In all honesty, magick for me is starting to reduce down to the fun stuff I see inside my head, on the occasions where I smoke some unusually good weed during my nightly session.  I say, "magick," because that is also the mental bucket in which ET contact and related fecal matter belongs, at this point. 

If you guys want your own First Contact, however, then drop anywhere north of 75 ug of LSD, mentally open hailing frequencies, and the Greys (and/or various other somewhat more enlightened or positive groups, depending on where your own level of development is) will come running.  It's really not that hard.  To quote the saying, their operators are standing by.




(Free hint concerning eldritch Prince Charming up there, too; if you want to know whether he specifically is someone you should be listening to, take note of the phrase, "Ashtar Command.")

Before Pimander or anyone else says it, however, yes, I'm well aware of the fact that the CIA are probably salivating over the idea of everyone doing the above, given MK-ULTRA and other such things.  Something I figured out on perhaps my own second acid trip however, is that there probably isn't a single conceptual primitive inside my head that was not put there by the cabal, at least at this point.  If I'm going to free myself at all, it is going to be by subverting said ideas or putting them to an unintended use, not by replacing them.  If you think you aren't already brainwashed, you're fooling yourself.  We all are.

As I've said before though, I also know why a lot of people want "Disclosure," to mean a landing on the White House lawn, and the proverbial Presidential handshake.  It's because far too many of you (the universal "you," here) still suffer from the tragic disease of viewing the President as some sort of genuinely credible authority figure; and therefore, contact is not going to be real for you until he says it's real.

[zorgon]

another example of how they ridicule things.

That is my point  sure people see UFO's and odd lights in the sky but UFO does not translate into Alien Spacecraft

I thought the Phoenix lights were identified anyway?

Phoenix lights 2007 attributed to military flares dropped by fighter aircraft at Luke Air Force Base

Phoenix lights 2008  flares attached to helium balloons released by a civilian

Okay so one possible sighting of unknown lights moving in the sky in 1997  then two more incidents that were hoaxes...  Governor says he saw UFO, then makes fun with fake aliens... way to go

As I said  NO DISCLOSURE  just BUFFOONERY

[zorgon]

It's really not that hard.  To quote the saying, their operators are standing by.

Channeling  Ah yes!

And how do you know that the entity you are channeling is benevolent?

Take the Case of Blossum Goodchild a few years back. She was 100% certain she was channeling the GFL/Ashtar Command. They promised her a major appearance. This went on for months. All the New Age Crowds were prepping for Mass Ascension... aided by the good little aliens in the GFL...

Then what happened?  They were a major NO SHOW. This litterally destroyed Blossum who went into a meltdown trying to understand why they hung her out to dry...  Since then every skeptic on the planet uses that incidence as proof of BS  No other channneler will EVER be taken seriously

So WHAT IF  the 'entities' people are channeling are the IMPS that Tibetan's speak of?  Lobsang Rampa says if you use a Ouija Board you are not communicating with the deand dearly departed, but trickster imps that once called are hard to get rid of.

These imps exist between the two worlds and will pray on anyone that is weak.  They are easy to banish with a strong will... but taking drugs will weaken your will and allow them a way in.

Also people dabbling in 'magick' without proper training and SAFEGUARDS are also opening themselves up to these imps.

I suppose religious people might call them Demons... though the classic concept of Demons doesn't quite fit. Perhaps a hoard of little LOKI's might be better

The same goes for this Ouija Board stuff. People will get a Ouija Board and play about with it, and some Elemental who is always dashing about like a mischievous monkey, will see what is being done, and he will definitely influence the reading. Now you might think there is no harm in that, but there is no good in it either, and definitely there is great harm in these Ouija Board readings if an Elemental causes the message to be given to sound highly plausible but which is just something extracted from the victim's own sub-conscious. A person's whole life can be affected for the worse by believing in this Ouija Board messages.

Another great source of misinformation is when the Ouija-Board is moved in accordance with the collective thought of the people who are gathered around. Often it will be impelled by wishful thinking and, again, will give a message which can be positively harmful by being misleading. The safest thing is - have nothing whatever to do with Ouija Boards and nothing whatever to do with seances. Remember, you came to this Earth deliberately not knowing the exact purpose of your visit, and if you try to find out too much without very, very exceptional cause, then you are like the student going to the examination room who manages to steal a copy of the examination papers first. That is just plain cheating, and it doesn't help at all.
~ T.L Rampa

[zorgon]

Think really hard.

Brain is hurting... give me an example...

There has been disclosure by the USAF

Yes ROSWELL DIDN'T HAPPEN  LOL It was a weather balloon according to all official FINAL reports. Go look at the FBI reading room(Vault) and the NSA UFO files... and the NAVT says P.E. never happened   

and RAF.

THIS GUY...



Gave a really awesome presentation on the Bentwaters case. He added a LOT of details I had never heard before...

Then Nick Pope gets up and shoots it down.  John Alexander also shoots it down though he did squirm a little at times... and then on the way off the podium he says "Oh BTW we track them form satellite"  No one caught it, not even George Knapp

I guess I can buy the CD by now  Wonder if that comment was in there

So the best case from RAP  talked up by Halt Shot down by Pope and Alexander... The Blue Book guy (Col Robert Friend, Director) gave the same old pat answers and the other guy Col William  Coleman gave his same old story... then said I have some good stuff but not going to bother because no one has ever asked me about it"

So  This was supposedly a disclosure press release to people interested in UFO's held in the Area 51/Atomic Museum in Vegas with George Knapp and John Lear present...  under the label Area 51 secrets revealed"

And in the end  same old same ols  NADA ZIP ZILCH to take home

[Pimander]

It's really not that hard.  To quote the saying, their operators are standing by.




(Free hint concerning eldritch Prince Charming up there, too; if you want to know whether he specifically is someone you should be listening to, take note of the phrase, "Ashtar Command.")

Why is it an anagram of BS central LOL.

You use of the word operator needs changing to operatives.  The whole thing was an intelligence operation.

[RUSSO]

Okay so one possible sighting of unknown lights moving in the sky in 1997  then two more incidents that were hoaxes...  Governor says he saw UFO, then makes fun with fake aliens... way to go

Well... i think was not the govenor that planned that fake alien presentation.... i think was a TRAP for him.