NASA Rocket explodes on launch !

[The Matrix Traveller]

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2014/10/unmanned-nasa-rocket-explodes-launch-2014102822268423719.html


An unmanned NASA rocket has exploded seconds after lift-off from a commercial launch pad in the US state of Virginia.

The Antares rocket launched on Tuesday was on a mission to supply the International Space Station when it exploded and crashed back to earth, a NASA TV broadcast showed.

The 14-storey rocket, built and launched by Orbital Sciences Corp, bolted off its seaside launch pad at the Wallops Flight Facility. It exploded seconds later.

The cause of the accident was not immediately known, said NASA mission commentator Dan Huot.

NASA said there were no injuries.

"This has been a lot of hard work to get to this point," Orbital Sciences Executive Vice President Frank Culbertson told the launch team just before liftoff.

The Launch had been delayed one day after a boat sailed into a restricted safety zone beneath the rocket's intended flight path.

Virginia-based Orbital Sciences is one of two companies hired by NASA to fly cargo to the station after the space shuttles were retired. Tuesday's planned flight was to be the third of eight under the company's $1.9 billion contract with NASA.

Antares carried a Cygnus spacecraft packed with 5,055 pounds (2,293 kg) of supplies, science experiments and equipment, a 15 percent increase over previous missions.

Cygnus was to loiter in orbit until November 2, then fly itself to the station so astronauts can use a robotic crane to snare the capsule and attach it to a berthing port. The station, a $100 billion research laboratory owned and operated by 15 nations, flies about 260 miles (418 km) above Earth.

[burntheships]

Video footage of the rocket explosion -




Zero Hedge wonders if Russia may have had a hand?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-28/unmanned-nasa-rocket-explodes-shortly-after-takes

[zorgon]

Yeah good old NASA  Seems they have forgotten everything the claim they knew.  And these guys went to the MOON? Really?  Well here is the latest test of a moon lander...

I think it's crying   


NASA Morpheus Lander Crash and Explosions

[Wrabbit2000]

I guess that is what happens when you turn NASA into a community outreach and social services agency. They just don't do their real mission very well for long after.

I hope the neglect toward them changes before the experience core hits the doors and leaves. Getting them back may simply not happen.

[ArMaP]

Well here is the latest test of a moon lander...

That's not the latest test, in fact I think it was the first untethered test, in 2012.

In this case, if the rocket was "built and launched by Orbital Sciences Corp", why are we talking about NASA's failures?

[Wrabbit2000]

why are we talking about NASA's failures?

Probably because this is one of them. I don't say it's a shared thing. They do.

"While NASA is disappointed that Orbital Sciences' third contracted resupply mission to the International Space Station was not successful today, we will continue to move forward toward the next attempt once we fully understand today's mishap. The crew of the International Space Station is in no danger of running out of food or other critical supplies.

Source

That statement was made this morning by "NASA's Human Exploration and Operations Directorate" and their Associate Administrator. If they don't want blame, don't assume the place to take it, I'd say.

There is more than one 'we' in that and a very clear statement of shared goals, efforts and in this case? Failure. The launch facility and physical resources are also a NASA property and run in cooperation with and at NASA direction.

In partnership with NASA, the Virginia Commercial Space Flight Authority and Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport (MARS) is proud to offer full-service launch facilities for commercial, government, scientific and academic users both foreign and domestic.

Our mission is to provide low-cost, safe, reliable, "schedule friendly" space access. Today, amidst development and expansion to meet tomorrow's needs for our business partners, MARS continues to operate a multi-user spaceport at the NASA Wallops Flight Facility located on the Eastern Shore of Virginia.

Source

The more I read about the facility before posting my first reply, the more it became very clear that any line between NASA and the private operators there becomes very blurry, if a real line exists at all during launch operations. I'm betting it's a distinction without a difference. Especially given that very sensitive location for "oops" events. Florida with a runaway in a bad direction might kill a funny looking rat in Orlando as a worst case. Virginia puts D.C. within very quick downrange impact of a wayward accident (recall how these paranoid people think today). I'll bet the Government is more closely tied into everything happening there than anyone in private industry, for that reason alone, if nothing else.

[Somamech]

Cygnus was to loiter in orbit until November 2, then fly itself to the station so astronauts can use a robotic crane to snare the capsule and attach it to a berthing port. The station, a $100 billion research laboratory owned and operated by 15 nations, flies about 260 miles (418 km) above Earth.

The above quote is from Matrix's OP.

I like the use of the term "loiter" in orbit as people like John Lear and Zorgon questioned the whole Loitering aspect of the Shuttle for what now seem's like eon's ago in this sphere!

Anyway for what it's worth for you all who have already probably seen this footage on other site's.  First for me!

Orbital Sciences Explosion at Wallops from 3000ft

[RUSSO]

Yeah good old NASA  Seems they have forgotten everything the claim they knew.  And these guys went to the MOON? Really?  Well here is the latest test of a moon lander...

I think it's crying   


NASA Morpheus Lander Crash and Explosions

Someday in the future, some comedian will make a version of this about our time

[ArMaP]

Probably because this is one of them. I don't say it's a shared thing. They do.

I don't see they saying it's a share thing, specially when I read "Orbital Sciences' third contracted resupply mission to the International Space Station was not successful".

[zorgon]

why are we talking about NASA's failures?

Because picking on NASA is our job 

Besides NASA is just the front for the real space program.  I so want to get started on that but not sure I want to drag that fellow in here

[hoss58]

Awww.. come on Zorg, get him back here just for a little while anyway 

[Wrabbit2000]

I don't see they saying it's a share thing, specially when I read "Orbital Sciences' third contracted resupply mission to the International Space Station was not successful".

It's a NASA facility, with NASA resources in what they do say is a joint effort for operating the facility. NASA public relations are handling (at taxpayer expense, in terms of it not being a difference without distinction) the press releases and information management. All the tweets and updates in the period after came quickly and with detail from the official NASA tweet feed, from NASA people.

It may not outright state it's a private company under contract to build what NASA then supervises them launching off government launch pads, but it seems evident by the way the whole public face of it was handled. (updates prior to launch came out from NASA as well, so it's not as though NASA just stepped in when it blew up).

@ Zorgon

I think getting concrete exposure and disclosure to the true level of human activity in Space right now would solve a few problems at once. Major, global problems. First, we'd know where trillions have been going. Somewhere, not that long ago, billions in common speech became trillions for the ease with which politicians use it. It doesn't count for the orders of magnitude in difference for numbers that jumped in a seemingly casual way. People are desensitized to numbers which almost defy logic. Nothing we see accounts for a fraction of what is flowing out now, as we ought to make roads not only free of pot holes, but looking closer to the mythical Cities of Gold.

There are also very few leaders in Military or Politics who would survive with a career intact in the aftermath of anything like true disclosure. People would be stunned into a stupor for a short period, in my opinion, and then turn eyes to their respective Capitals with a rage unparalleled in history. Rightfully so, too.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

If it did happen, disclosoure, the vast majority would be ....'yawn'....'who's on dancing with the stars tonight'?

[zorgon]

I think getting concrete exposure and disclosure to the true level of human activity in Space right now would solve a few problems at once. Major, global problems. First, we'd know where trillions have been going. Somewhere, not that long ago, billions in common speech became trillions for the ease with which politicians use it. It doesn't count for the orders of magnitude in difference for numbers that jumped in a seemingly casual way. People are desensitized to numbers which almost defy logic. Nothing we see accounts for a fraction of what is flowing out now, as we ought to make roads not only free of pot holes, but looking closer to the mythical Cities of Gold.

From my way of thinking IF we have an active space fleet, revealing that would make our enemies cower in fear right?



Your right though. I have pointed out the shear volume of dollars spent vs the number of tax payers (approx 120 million people  after taking out kids, elderly, illegals and those unemployed  and that is likely a higher number than reality)

The math does not work... the 9 TRILLION missing in the Federal Reserve in one year alone (2009) translated to 35,000 per every man woman and child in the US and that is not counting the day to day operation

So yeah our streets should be paved with gold by now



and then turn eyes to their respective Capitals with a rage unparalleled in history.  =  No Disclosure

Shortly after WWII they started lying. The first lie was the NAZI scientists

Intelligence and government officials faced a delicate moral quandary in 1945 - whether it was worth it to give American homes to men who had invented weapons to kill American soldiers, men who in some cases subscribed to beliefs that hundreds of thousands Americans had died to eradicate. In the end they decided it was, if these men could help the United States defeat the Soviets.

—Christine Gibson is a former editor at American Heritage magazine.

And so it begins...

The second lie was Roswell...




Gordon Coopr Concerning UFOs

In his post-NASA career, Cooper became known as an outspoken believer in UFOs and charged that the government was covering up its knowledge of extraterrestrial activity.

"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets, which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth," he told a United Nations panel in 1985.

"I feel that we need to have a top-level, coordinated program to scientifically collect and analyze data from all over the Earth concerning any type of encounter, and to determine how best to interface with these visitors in a friendly fashion."

He added, "For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists and astronauts. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us."

"Each administration has probably tried to figure out how, with the least embarrassment, they could confess to this whole thing," he said at a recent appearance in Washington to promote his new book, Leap of Faith: An Astronaut's Journey in the Unknown

"There certainly have been too many people, very qualified people and qualified groups of people, that have had interface of one type or another with extraterrestrial craft or beings," Cooper said. "To really deny that something is going on and deny that they definitely exist...we need a little more explanation."

In his book, written with Bruce Henderson, Cooper tells how he saw his first UFO over Europe in 1951. An Air Force pilot in West Germany, Cooper and his squadron mates were scrambled in their F-86 Sabre jets to intercept what appeared to be several metallic silver and saucer-shaped craft.

Cooper also describes an incident at Edwards Air Force Base, California, in which he once looked at film of a crashed UFO in the American Southwest taken in the late 1950s. That film, he writes, was whisked away to the Pentagon never to be seen or heard of again.

Throughout the book, the former astronaut argues for the government to open up its files and come clean about alien visitations.

So convinced is Cooper that UFOs deserve serious study that he once testified before the United Nations in 1978 on the topic. His hope was that the U.N. would become a central repository for accounts of UFO sightings.

"I made the effort to get the U.N. to pick up the ball," Cooper said at the book signing. "They thought it was a great idea, but they never did anything about it."

Colonel L. Gordon Cooper, Mercury-9, Gemini-5 Astronaut, Addressing a United Nations Panel Discussion on UFOs and ETs in New York in 1985. The panel was chaired by then Secretary-General Kurt Waldheim.

"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth. I feel that we need to have a top level, coordinated program to scientifically collect and analyze data from all over the earth concerning any type of encounter, and to determine how best to interface with these visitors in a friendly fashion. We may first have to show them that we have learned to resolve our problems by peaceful means, rather than warfare, before we are accepted as fully qualified universal team members. This acceptance would have tremendous possibilities of advancing our world in all areas. Certainly then it would seem that the UN has a vested interest in handling this subject properly and expeditiously.

For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists and astronauts. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us.

And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public.

Why? Because the authorities are afraid that people may think of some kind of horrible invaders. So the password still is: We have to avoid panic by all means."


UFO Conversations - Dr. Robert Wood

Why the secrecy? Go to 2:44






End result?

NO DISCLOSURE

[The Matrix Traveller]

Many want DISCLOSURE, but as has been said, there CAN'T BE DISCLOSURE !

And there won't be, if a lid can be kept on it !

I might not agree with the situation, but I understand WHY !

Sometimes we have to be realistic ....   instead of Idealistic.   



It's too complex, (too many different things going on) at this point in time, and nothing
will be gained by DISCLOSURE, except public chaos.   

What is seen in our skies involves many different subjects, some natural, some not, some of our tech.
some Not, some activity is friendly, some is not, some cooperation, and in other areas all out war.

We are like meat in the sandwich ...

It's a b^$%$ mess .