The 1952 Washington D.C. UFO Incident

[Sinny]

Thank you Astro, I am consistant in my methods and morals.
It baffles me when others are not. I honestly seek the truth [without any bureaucracy], and that fact in it's self goes a long way.

There is a very real extra-ordinary aspect to the UFO and paranormal phenomena, however there's also a heavy layer of 'alphabet agency' psy-op's, and the geo-political space colonisation... Just to name a few.
Reality can be manipulated, as Z touched upon.

Lots of avenue's to explore, lots of 'noise' as it's put.
But the sheer level of BS is beyond belief, I'm not surprised many can't surpass it.

[A51Watcher]

News articles aren't enough alone.
They are the primary method of propaganda.

When the news articles are released by the military or government, then yes perhaps.

But the vast majority of 1947 news articles come from everyday ordinary citizens.


Calling them all liars are we?

[A51Watcher]

Hi A51,

Can I ask , have you known about the photos and Video being fake for some time or just more recently.

I have known about the fake photo for several years.

Also IF you say that the Washington DC UFO case was  real...

How do we know for sure.. Are you aware if there may be other for real photos that were taken of the incident ...If so I assume that  they have never been released...

This case appears quite solid with multiple witnesses. I know of no other photos that were taken or have ever surfaced.

I also wonder what the real story behind it may be.

ie, was there several objects seen over the Whitehouse ? If so I wonder how many and Were they seen at Night and glowing or moving at some speed ?  or just moving across slowly...where for all we know they may have been Chinese lanterns.

I think the radar operators would disagree with you.

As you can read they were not happy with the temperature inversion bogus explanation.

Also the jet interceptors would disagree.

[A51Watcher]

Eye witness testimony is useless

Z, just yesterday you said 'That's why I prefer eyewitness testimony'.

Now you say it's useless?

[zorgon]

Z, just yesterday you said 'That's why I prefer eyewitness testimony'.
Now you say it's useless?

No LOL  that was in context to Sinny saying news clippings are useless. By those standards everything is useless

The best way is to assemble everything known about a case and CONNECT THE DOTS

When a story is fake you will quickly hit a dead end  or see endless clones on the web all from the same source.

But if there is more to the story you will find reports, files , testimonies and even fake pictures used to ILLUSTRATE it   Artists impressions are used all the time to give us a visual. Its only when those are used as REAL that you lose it

That said many eyewitnesses are total fruit cakes 

So you do have to sort and collect.

But the noise vs signal ratio today makes it almost impossible on any new stuff. I get the feeling that even the old timers that are left are saying "f--k it  I am going for the money and tell them what they want to hear!" 

In the meantime I will pick Karl's good stuff and copy it to the web.  I think I already did your Roswell stuff but need to check

In any case the front page and all files currently online are cleaned up

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/index.html

[zorgon]

I will be spending less time arguing with skeptics and more time putting content on the web

BTW a good example of what I mean by clones

This image I found on the web   I did an image search and did find endless clones of the same picture and caption with NO information on it...



Now I had never seen that smooth pyramid before and not with a stature on top... 1851? well in those days they drew accurately  so I went through page after page of the clones and finally found it

So in this case it was a real story 

The Mystery of the Capstone - A Statue?
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8331.msg114692#msg114692


Now see? THAT is what I need to be doing... much as I like slapping Jimbo around

[zorgon]

I think the radar operators would disagree with you.
Also the jet interceptors would disagree.

It has always been my opinion that events around the 50's were the real deal... the meetings, the flaps  etc...  It was the time when the Venusians came to warn us (I am sure they were not from Venus but only said so)

But even then you get the weirdos involved like Billy Meier (it MAY be possible there is a grain of truth at the root as John believes, but his credibility is less than zero)

Hanebu Class saucers  Tall white blond beings in tight suits  all over the place...  Germans? Aldebarrans? Venusians? I don't know but those days were the real deal 

Today as time goes on  more and more crap is being piled on it  CIA has removed files from the net  DTIC has removed the CIA UFO Psiops papers from their site ( I have them saved)

So  the LID is clamping down again... and all us old dudes won't be kicking much longer

[Sinny]

When the news articles are released by the military or government, then yes perhaps.

But the vast majority of 1947 news articles come from everyday ordinary citizens.


Calling them all liars are we?

How did you extrapolate that?
The context of my comment was set in my post.

As I've stated peviously, eye witness testimony is key to any investigation, however, I just don't think it's wise jump to the conclusion that everybody is witnessing ET craft..
As the Pentacle Memo kindly pointed out, amongst others.

Also, I said the clippings are useless 'on there own'..
This would be much easier if my posts were interpreted with accuracy.

[Sinny]

I'm unsure what Z knows that I don't in regards to the 50' contacts..
So far, I am only aware that most of the 1950's contacts had ties to .MIL and/or other agencies, were up to their neck's in the occult & far right ideology; I am also aware a some of those purposely lied about real alien communication...

So that subject is still undecided in my mind. 

[Sinny]

Also the jet interceptors would disagree.

This is where I seek further information, I couldn't find any testimony except the only I previously linked, specifically in regards to the DC flap. Help?

[zorgon]

I'm unsure what Z knows that I don't in regards to the 50' contacts..

[A51Watcher]

How did you extrapolate that?
The context of my comment was set in my post.

As I've stated peviously, eye witness testimony is key to any investigation, however, I just don't think it's wise jump to the conclusion that everybody is witnessing ET craft..
As the Pentacle Memo kindly pointed out, amongst others.

Also, I said the clippings are useless 'on there own'..
This would be much easier if my posts were interpreted with accuracy.

I disagree the clippings are useless 'on their own'.

On their own they tell us quite a bit.

I too have problems with my posts not being interpreted with accuracy.

Pim is forever reminding me this can be avoided by posting with more specificity.

[Sinny]

specificity.

Is that a real word?  I can't say it Lol

And yes, they can tell us a lot, but they can't tell us everything.

[A51Watcher]

In his video testimony he also states they were 'very visible'... if that's the case why didn't hundreds of people make visual observation? 

Probably because they were inside watching TV instead of outside star gazing.

Much as the case is today.

Same as the case was during my UFO sighting. Since we were backyard camping and star gazing, we had a sighting.

I could not believe it the next day when there were no news reports about it on TV or in the paper.

Anyway these sightings were also at night and apparently there were multiple civilian sighting reports -


"The sightings took place on two consecutive weekends, July 19-20 and 26-27 and were reported by multiple civilian and military witnesses.

Nugent and his superior, Harry Barnes were amazed at the movement of the unknown objects and quickly notified the National Airport's second radar center. The controller there confirmed the radar anomaly and added that he also had visual contact with one of the flying objects. "It's a bright orange light. I can't tell what's behind it," he said.

Soon after, reports started coming in as pilots, airmen and civilians saw bright orbs and disks in several places over D.C."

http://locklip.com/the-1952-washington-d-c-ufo-sightings/

(Unfortunately that link has sh*te for sources)


There is also further confirmation of the Patterson incident from Kevin Randle's blog which I posted earlier here.

[A51Watcher]

Is that a real word?  I can't say it Lol

And yes, they can tell us a lot, but they can't tell us everything.

Course it is, it's source is boffin- speak.