Sharia Law in the US - Never Happen?

[petrus4]

No matter how you cut it Muslim Immigration and breeding is a real threat to our way of life

Its not a racist or religious issue... its defending OUR way of life in our own country

Truthfully, I have mixed feelings about this.  Americans talk about Muslims being a threat to their way of life; but one question that I think requires serious meditation, is whether or not said way of life is actually worth keeping.  I remain convinced that as a country, America is leading the charge towards human extinction.



Mind you, the immediate American response will be that at least their way allows said question to even be asked in the first place; your average scimitar-wielding Wahhabist is nowhere near as introspective.

As far as we know, law in its' current form first showed up in Babylon.  Given Saudi Arabia's proximity with that area, it makes sense that Islamic jurisprudence would have been strongly influenced by the Babylonian model.  It therefore in turn makes sense that to the degree that it is not single-mindedly obsessed with capital punishment, Islamic law could potentially be very useful for settling disputes. 

The Jews had the Judge system for a long time before they got their first king, and by the accounts that I've read at least, it worked fairly well.  I will admit that the judicial branch is the one element of the American government that still occasionally shows faint glimmers of genuine integrity in my observation, as well.  The legislative branch is just as corrupt, gerontocratic, and generally worthless in America as it was in Rome.  I honestly don't believe that it would do America much harm if the Congress was disbanded entirely; and it might actually do some good.

As for whether or not Islam will succeed in taking over the world; truthfully at this point, I don't much care.  If it did, I would be more than happy to say, "yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir," to the relevant geriatric psychopaths, attend prayers a couple of times a week, and continue to worship Kali in private.  I have to maintain secrecy about my own faith these days, as much because of Atheists as Muslims.  At least in the case of Islam, I could probably find some points of commonality.  Pseudo-Socratic neo-Atheism, on the other hand, is a much greater distance away from my own philosophy.  If we sat down cross legged together, Iran's Grand Ayatollah and I would probably have much more to talk about, than I would with say, Sam Harris.

This might sound like a radical reversal from my previous expressed position on Islam; but more recently I've been reminded of the existence of Sufism.  You will generally find that every religion has at least one branch that is reasonably workable and genuinely sane; in Islam's case, the adults' section appears to be that.

The other point to keep in mind where Islam is concerned, is that even if it does take over, said conquest will almost certainly not be permanent.  Islam is a religion which primarily maintains and perpetuates itself via murdering people.  Were it left to its' real theological and spiritual merit, then aside from its' judicial value, (not to mention its' mystical elements, such as Sufism) it would vanish tomorrow.

I've always believed that the best metaphor for Islam, is the bubonic plague, Ebola, or some other similarly virulent disease.  Highly contagious, lethal disease epidemics rage around for a while, and might indeed kill a good many people, but their level of lethality makes them highly unstable.  A truly intelligent virus does not want to kill its' host, because if it does so too early, then the virus itself will die with it, and it will cease being able to spread.

In other words, the most rational view to take with regards to the apparent new Islamic conquest, is the long view.  All we need do is keep our heads down, and wait.  As the Black Death itself did, eventually this too shall pass.

[zorgon]

This one addresses a very important point when it comes to take overs

[zorgon]

Americans talk about Muslims being a threat to their way of life; but one question that I think requires serious meditation, is whether or not said way of life is actually worth keeping.  I remain convinced that as a country, America is leading the charge towards human extinction.

You are welcome to convert to Islam and LEAVE anytime you like

DO let the door hit you in the butt on the way out

For all your whining and doom and gloom stuff, things are really not that bad in the USA yet and they can still be fixed... in fact I see lots of signs that the pendulum is swinging.  More cops getting convicted for the abuse, more followups and fixing of events we get outraged over in the news

Sanity IS returning albeit slowly.  Perhaps if people like you stopped working for the dark side promoting doom porn and did something to help things would go faster

It may even be that if this Muslim thing flares up, it might just be the wake up call we need. People will die, yes, but that is inevitable to make change

Pimander's story about his home town of Nottingham disturbs me a lot. I had no idea the intrusion in the UK was already so far advanced to hit the small towns

So frankly Petrus4 if you thing the Muslim Sharia law way of life is better than America... pack yer bags and go.  Simple as that

[petrus4]

Pimander's story about his home town of Nottingham disturbs me a lot. I had no idea the intrusion in the UK was already so far advanced to hit the small towns

To answer this, I must remind you of the words of Albert Pike.

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion...We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

I inadvertently went down Pike's path.  I was born into, and then conscientiously left Christianity.  Yet I did not become either a Luciferian or an Atheist, as Pike intended.  I was drawn to Kali Mata.

As Pike candidly states here, Islam is being employed against the Western world in precisely the same manner as my avatar's race, the Orcs, were used against the fictional analog of the real world Western powers, the Alliance of Azeroth, within the story of World of Warcraft.  Stargate SG-1 is not the only fiction which contains elements of truth.

Islamic terrorists are Harbingers of Chaos.  They are a vanguard.  They are an advance wave to destroy whatever resistance might otherwise exist, to the cabal then coming after them, and taking control of the entire planet.





I knew a woman on Above Top Secret, who views herself as a member of the Marxist-Leninist vanguard.  The cabal used that strategy with Communism, (the aftermath of Pike's Second World War) and they are using it again here.  Pike's series of world wars and associated bogeymen is so, so similar to the progression path against various Big Bads that we saw in WoW.  Again, parallels and reflections, everywhere.  We're walking through a giant hall of mirrors here, kids.

This is why it is crucial not to respond fearfully or violently towards Islam, irrespective of what the Muslims themselves do.  It needs to be understood that the real threat to America and the rest of the Western world, will come after the Muslims have moved in and occupied it.  I will give you another secret here; this is something that I realised not long ago.

'House of Religions' bringing eight faiths together under one roof in Bern.

Within Hinduism, it is taught that japa or the repetitive use of a mantra, while meditating, is employed in order to reduce the multitude of thoughts which normally occur in the mind, down to one.  Once you are capable of only focusing on a single thought, that single thought is then removed, at which point you experience Samadhi, or the initial stage of liberation.  When linear reality is completely gone, only pure non-linearity remains.

The cabal are doing the same thing, with religions.  First polytheistic Paganism was destroyed, and supplanted by monolithic, monotheistic Christianity.  We are going to ultimately see a religious duopoly emerge; you will be socially permitted to be Atheistic or Islamic, and nothing else.

Islam is not going to rule the planet, for any appreciable length of time.  It will not be permitted to do so.  It is inherently unstable; its' extreme elements, at least, when they have no one external to the religion to attack, they turn inward and attack each other.  This has been seen in Islamic countries numerous times.  Again the similarity with the Orcs; berserker rage must have a target.  Think of a vast body of water; the cabal have control of the sluice gates, and said gates can be closed as easily as they have been opened.

The entire point of Islamic invasion, however, is to provoke a violent response within the target populations.  As Pike himself admitted, the purpose of this is to cause destruction and chaos, and to give said target populations a decoy to exhaust and destroy themselves against, so that when the cabal themselves are ready to move in, all potential resistance will be gone, or at least rendered manageable.

Hence we see that the Muslims (and the Zionist Jews, for that matter) are not our real enemies.  The cabal are playing exactly the kind of long game that we saw Palpatine playing in the Star Wars sequels.  Consider this the Idiot's Guide to World Conquest.

Step 1.  Create two proxy armies/civilisations/forces, both of which you completely control.

Step 2.  Have both of them start fighting each other, and have one or both of them also invade the area that you are really interested in conquering.

Step 3.  Stand back and watch the fireworks.  The population of the area that you want, will defend themselves vigorously against the dummy army that you have set up to attack them.  The war between the two dummy armies will also cause massive amounts of heat, noise, and chaos.  Lots of people will get caught in the crossfire and general mayhem and get killed; people who might otherwise cause you difficulty.

Step 4.  Once the smoke clears, stride imperially over the ruins, dark cassock billowing out behind you.  Reach throne room, sit, steeple fingers, wear appropriate facial expression of sinister self-satisfaction.







"NARF."

[petrus4]

Muslim population in England and Wales nearly doubles in 10 years

More children and fewer elderly people help Muslim population grow faster than population overall, analysis of latest census data shows

Horrible, but predictable.

Islam is becoming a religious monopoly, for almost precisely the same reason that UNIX became almost the sole survivor where computer operating systems are concerned.  Why?

Lowest possible barrier to entry.  Islam is the most barbaric and degraded of the great religions, bar none.  It really doesn't contain a lot that might be considered advanced or profound thought.  As a result, anyone can join.  You don't need literacy or any other form of education to become a Muslim; as a matter of fact, literacy or education might well be impediments to doing so.  That is why Windows has survived in conjunction with UNIX, because any idiot can use that, too. 

Why have Christianity and Islam grown bigger populations than Judaism or Hinduism?  The latter two are largely ethnicities as well as religions.  Hinduism has the caste; you have to be born in to get in, strictly speaking.  Judaism does not have a caste as such, AFAIK at least, but genetics definitely matter.

Granted, UNIX is not as idiot proof as Windows, but it is when seen as relative to the needs of a server operating system.  Windows (and Islam) is the lowest common denominator desktop/client system; UNIX (and Atheism) is the lowest common denominator back room/server OS.  So if you're a real idiot, you become a Muslim.  If you have pretentions about being a high end idiot, on the other hand, you become a Dawkinsian, pseudo-skeptical neo-Atheist.

From there, the reproduction issue with Islam becomes obvious in its' explanation, as well.  There's a very strong and well-documented inverse correlation between education and birth rates; it's the proverbial "rats in a grain barrel," effect.  Dawkins and the angry rich white Atheist set have virtually no children; poor, illiterate brown Muslims, on the other hand, have hordes of them.

Nature's designs are always as simple and cheap as possible at the per-node level.  Said simple, cheap designs then massively replicate, and overcome any possible shortcomings said design might have per-unit, via parallelism.  Look at the way cells work.  By themselves they are dead simple; but put them together in a group, and they can do anything.  Look at viruses; same story.

Islam is the same.  It's Drexler's grey goo, in religious form.

This, incidentally, is the reason why the x86 CPU architecture won, as well.  As a processor arch it is complete garbage; which, of course, is entirely the point.  As a general principle, the cheapest and simplest design always wins.

[ArMaP]

Muslim population in England and Wales nearly doubles in 10 years

More children and fewer elderly people help Muslim population grow faster than population overall, analysis of latest census data shows
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/11/muslim-population-england-wales-nearly-doubles-10-years

From the newspaper today.

That looks like the normal result of immigration, as those that usually migrate are young adults, and after they feel at home on their new place they bring their wife/husband and any children, only after some years and if they decide to live their whole life there, do they bring their parents.

[ArMaP]

No matter how you cut it Muslim Immigration and breeding is a real threat to our way of life

Its not a racist or religious issue... its defending OUR way of life in our own country

Yes, in the same way the occupation of other countries by European countries in previous centuries was a real threat to their way of life, but as it was their way of life we (the European countries) weren't worried about it, after all, we were supposed to be the "advanced" civilisation and we were bringing the "right" way of living to them.

Now that things are reversed it doesn't look the same. 

To me, the solution is not trying to prevent other ways of life from replacing our own, what I think should be done is the way things happen naturally, mixing the good parts of all the ways of life. I know that we cannot really tell other people "your way of life is not good in this or that aspect" and expect that they agree, we should prove them that those aspects are really better (if they really are) in the long run, but, in the same way, we should accept the positive aspects of their ways of life.

After all, humans are supposed to be good at adapting to new situations, right?

[WarToad]

I'll adapt to Sharia when Sharia adapts to smoked BBQ pork ribs.   

[zorgon]

Now that things are reversed it doesn't look the same. 

By stating that you are saying that we should just accept the take over?

To me, the solution is not trying to prevent other ways of life from replacing our own, what I think should be done is the way things happen naturally, mixing the good parts of all the ways of life.

That is sorta what the Chinese do but they have numbers on their side so they can absorb this without much effect. However I don't see how mixing will work. Canada tried that with multiculturalism and it cause mere trouble than good

In this case we are talking religious ideals There is no mixing of diametrically opposites.  Like Pimander said  the white kids in that school are now the minority and the kid gets called 'racist' for being atheist because it offends Allah   There is no solution for that kind of linear thinking.  You either convert, leave your home or go to war.

How do you mix with a culture that basically considers any other idea abhorent to their god?  Sure they can peacefully coexist for a time... but look around the world right now... as soon as their numbers swing to the majority  the trouble begins

Well I am getting old... Pretty sure Nevada won't become an Islamic state in my lifetime  but I do have kids that will have to deal with it.

We do have one factor to offset it here, the Hispanic factor. Maybe that is why Obama wants to grant them amnesty




I know that we cannot really tell other people "your way of life is not good in this or that aspect" and expect that they agree, we should prove them that those aspects are really better (if they really are) in the long run, but, in the same way, we should accept the positive aspects of their ways of life.

After all, humans are supposed to be good at adapting to new situations, right?
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[ArMaP]

By stating that you are saying that we should just accept the take over?

No, just that "we" (the European countries) liked it when they were the ones doing the occupying, now that they are the ones being occupied they don't like it.

That is sorta what the Chinese do but they have numbers on their side so they can absorb this without much effect. However I don't see how mixing will work. Canada tried that with multiculturalism and it cause mere trouble than good

That's not what I meant, as that's not mixing both cultures, that's having people from the two cultures living together. By mixing I meant creating a third culture, resulting from the merging/joining/mixing/whatevering of the two cultures.

In this case we are talking religious ideals There is no mixing of diametrically opposites.

Religious ideals are used by people, most people can change their mind, specially when other people do not try to force them to do it.

Like Pimander said  the white kids in that school are now the minority and the kid gets called 'racist' for being atheist because it offends Allah   There is no solution for that kind of linear thinking.  You either convert, leave your home or go to war.

I think the solution is show other people that, although an atheist, other people can share some of their religion's principles, as many of those principles were created to help people, and, like Depeche Mode said, "People are people".

How do you mix with a culture that basically considers any other idea abhorent to their god?  Sure they can peacefully coexist for a time... but look around the world right now... as soon as their numbers swing to the majority  the trouble begins

Christians and Muslims lived peacefully in many places in what would become Portugal during the Muslim conquest and the Christian reconquest of those areas. In countries like Egypt they have large Christian communities, and they didn't have any problems until everybody started getting problems there, but even then, after on church was attacked by some extremists, many Muslims surrounded the churches to protect them from being attacked.

Coexistence is possible, we just need to stop seeing the extremes and looking at the common things that can keep us together.

[zorgon]

Coexistence is possible, we just need to stop seeing the extremes and looking at the common things that can keep us together.

Coexistance is possible in theory  but in practice when the one group far outnumbers the other group it will soon escalate with one group pushing their agenda on the other

Back in the 80's I saw the world through rose colored glasses With all the technology we were coming up with, labor laws to make it better for people, more leisure time, even religious tolerance for the most part I was convinced that mankind would pull its head out of its ass and do something truly great.

Then I see what is happening today and I know I was wrong.

I see what Sharia law does to people especially women. I see the Saudi lawmakers saying free women are just asking to be raped. A gay man in that society gets raped as punishment WTF? Women can't drive because they will get raped  Is that all these sickos think about all day?  Dubai runs ads to get western men and women to come work in their magnifent resorts but if they go to the bar for a drink they are available to be raped.. Two recent cases one from Netherlands one from Australia  Their own Embasies could do nothing  and they were sentence to 6 months in jail for enticing the men to rape them WTF?

As long as that kind of mind set is with them how can we coexist with that?  It goes against everything we consider sane 

Sorry I vote to nuke the lot of em and let their gods sort them out

[space otter]

Sorry I vote to nuke the lot of em and let their gods sort them out



sorry
but 
as long as humans make up  gods  and / or  need gods for excuses of what they do and don't do 
and
do not recognize the responsibility of  themselves   
and do not understand that it is on them and not on some made up unseen force
..nothing will work

we aren't doomed yet.. but we're pretty damn close

sad  ! ain't  it !

[zorgon]

Well maybe we are not doomed yet but looks like our effort to bring freedom to Iraq isn't doing so well

And no I wasn't really serious about nuking the region  I do have some friends over there

[petrus4]

Sorry I vote to nuke the lot of em and let their gods sort them out

We can't nuke two billion plus people.  At this point, we're back to the conversation Liam Neeson had with Christian Bale; that while compassion might be a weakness that an opponent does not share, said compassion is important precisely because it is a distinguishing characteristic.

That is also the point, which was something else the Batman movies illustrated.  Do you act against the enemy, and in so doing become indistinguishable from said enemy in the process, thus invalidating your own survival anyway; or do you refrain from acting, with the result that you are potentially annihilated anyway?

That is what the Illuminati very specifically want; to give us a scenario where it seems like there is no good answer.  There is a valid answer, however; and that is to recognise that the question or test itself, and its' entire pretext, is utter, arbitrary, artificially engineered bullpoop from beginning to end.

I am on the tail end of another gold top trip at the moment, Zorgon; and right now, all I'm thinking of, is in terms of grid lines and seams.  Looking into the grass, seeing the flower of life everywhere, and realising that as McKenna said, what I'm seeing are the bars of a cage.



The whole thing is just one giant fragging pantomime; and the worst part is that at this point, we can't even say that any more without it sounding like a bad, stereotyped cliche.  Today it's the Muslims.  It was the Communists yesterday, and the Nazis the day before that.  Tomorrow it will be extraterrestrials.  It doesn't matter who it is, as long as it's an external, supposedly existential threat which corrals us into false "unity," against an "other," out of fear.

So let's nuke the Muslims, and then after that we'll become spacefaring and start playing a supposedly real life version of Warhammer 40,000. 



The Emperor Protects.

We can play that game, if we want.  The "oh God oh God ${BOGEYMAN} is coming to get us and it's the end of the world and we're all going to die!" routine.  Or I can go back to Victoria and get into my father's new pyramid marketing scheme and hopefully make a few hundred thousand dollars which I can then use to chain myself to a whole bunch of creditors, or I can fire up Java and log into fragging Minecraft.  Or I can go outside my room, sit in the grass, and stare into my navel while drooling and babbling incoherently.  It's ultimately all completely the same.  No difference.  No difference at all.

I can do that; or I can turn around and face the one thing that none of us, myself included, wants to look at.  The lack of background noise.  All the noise is in the foreground, in case you hadn't noticed.

None of us want nothing.  It's well documented that the smallest child will take corporal punishment or beatings over nothing; no attention.  Hell is more desirable than nothing; and let's face it, the entire reason why we don't really want to work towards a genuinely positive scenario, is because Heaven is closer to nothing than Hell.  Heaven contains less, by its' very nature.  Harmony is minimalistic.

We don't want that.  We want lots of noise, and blood, and death, and fascism, and gatling guns, and explosions.  We want abstractions piled upon abstractions.  We want dollars as points on a giant scoreboard, so that we can use that to determine who lives and who dies, completely arbitrarily.  Slicked back hair, neon pink limousines, champagne and cocaine and blowjobs.

Or then again, maybe we want the opposite.  Maybe we want hippie music and dreadlocks and Bob Marley and weed, and veganism and most importantly, lots and lots of pseudo-Indian cultural appropriation to make sure we're feeling spiritual enough.  We want to sit at tables with lots of beautiful rainforest vegetation in the background, and lie to ourselves about how chilled out and relaxed we are, while taking turns giving ourselves self-indulgent group therapy sessions.

Either way, you're still in a frigging cage.  If you want to be legitimately scared of anything, be scared of that.

"Did you learn a better song to sing, Rita?  No.  A different one."

Let us all choose our poison; or as Gozer said in Ghostbusters, the form of the Destructor.  Killed by Muslims, dying of a smack overdose in a gutter, or feeling mellow and singing along with Marley's No Woman No Cry.





Am I saying that the latter is better?  No.  Ultimately it makes no difference.  Studying fascism has led me to this point, to the same degree that weed and mushrooms has.  It's all the same.  Follow any line of the proverbial latticework you like.  You'll have lots of fun, perhaps; but you aren't really going anywhere.

We've had the unshakeable feeling for at least the last 3-4 decades now, that we're hitting a brick wall.  There's Nibiru, 2012, and all of that other rubbish; on and on and on.  What we're really coming to the end of, however, is the belief that literally anything - anything - we can do within corporeal existence, has any inherent beneficial meaning or purpose to it any more.

The cabal might want to lead us to that, sure.  Pike might have wanted to take us to it, so that he could see a global embrace of Satanism or whatever sick dream he might have had come to fruition; but ultimately the end result of it is going to be a lot worse.  If you stop wanting to do literally anything because you know it's all fundamentally pointless, then what do you do?  How do you live?

Maybe that's the next thing we have to figure out.

[zorgon]

We can't nuke two billion plus people.

DARN   How about selective targeting via space beam weapon then?


So I guess we will have to do it the old fashioned way  sigh....  I think I will stock up my pantry on the important items

Actually I think I will just go back to Faerie Land   at least enjoy what time we have left