Aldebaran Mystery 2 - Nazi Ufo Secrets Discussion

[astr0144]

Again "Z", I appreciate you adding all that additional material..to explain a bit more about this topic.

Is it to suggest maybe the mystical could have truths of reality ? I wonder..

Hope that your message may also be considered by a few other members who may read this ? who may not have had much consideration to me in maybe believing in the Tall Whites  or maybe suggest that I may not have any valid reason to believe in them .

Your message may offer them another thing to consider..along or in relation to their  IQ services & Mind Control suggestions...and offer some other possibilities to how we may consider life maybe connected with other Planets in our Solar system...if it does exist  on them..

You are assuming that NASA et al is telling you the TRUTH about Venus 
You are assuming that Aliens must be like us and could not live in a different environment
You assume that Wikipedia is an authoritative source

[astr0144]

I agree that there is no 100% proof that any of what we have been made aware of is proven to be ET as far as I know..

But with the story of Bob Lazar and his description of the Saucers that he describes that he and others he took to see test flights with...(John Lear and Gene Huff)  I think that he and they certainly did witness some sort of Saucer like craft...

Then we have A51s description of what he claims to have witnessed..and others that he has made ref to..

From his descriptions when he witnessed them, they were seen to be doing manovers that seemed impossible to any other known Human made craft.

Then looking at the latest videos that he and 1967 Saunder has produced... To me that does seem as if we are seeing something very unusual.

Bob May have been drugged even if  his story was or was not  true or fully accurate.

But if Bob did takes John Lear and Gene Huff to also witness the test flights...that may seem like more evidence to support his story along with some support to them videoing the event.

That to me would be the supportive evidence to Bobs claims.

On support of your suggestions...Maybe almost anything is possible, and can be faked...

Bob may have been brain washed whether he was at S4 or not.... He may be lying about seeing the Saucer...and so may John Lear and Gene Huff and George Knapp could be involved to attempt to support the story for various reasons...knowing that it may not be true...if say Bob, John and himself were all Government or CIA agents to mislead the public.

Then even A51 and 1967 Saunder could also be part of that as well...maybe even PRC..& "Z"..

All that is a possibility..I would think.

But I rather doubt that to be the case IMO.

So I suppose it may be down to ones opinion and judgement when weighing up the facts..

A51s description and story if we believe him, does certainly support Bobs story...

and 1967 Saunders and A51s video of the crafts also do...

To me what we see in those videos do look very  unusual and I would be surprised if they are manmade.

There are many what Id call numerous good  UFO stories with highly trained witnesses who have seen craft flying at incredible speeds and making incredible maneuvers that do not seem like any known human craft.

I also believe its possible that ETs could be here with such advanced technology that they could remain invisible to us virtually... and Matrix has said that if he is telling us any truths...

So as much as I accept Mind control does and has gone on..  I would Not think it was part of the bigger picture..

but that's only an opinion..based on my own research and thoughts so far...

But I am a newby to this compared to many on here and do not count out that one can change their views if new material or evidence may suggest different.

It may be but they have not produced proof it has anything to do with ET.  Bob was probably drugged at "S4" when he was debriefed.  Bob also admits his ET sighting was quite possible a set up.  So even if you believe Bob's story there is still no proof of ET.  Bob has been used too possibly.

It is on ET that A51 and I differ.  He is convinced it is ET and I am not.

[astr0144]

I just want to add this note that part of this thread was in ref to Thors posts that he added in the thread...with initial ref to ETs connection with Germany...

The Environmental Protection Agency Wants to Kill Your Grandma

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7789.msg108942#msg108942

[zorgon]

Bob may have been brain washed whether he was at S4 or not.... He may be lying about seeing the Saucer...and so may John Lear and Gene Huff and George Knapp could be involved to attempt to support the story for various reasons...knowing that it may not be true...if say Bob, John and himself were all Government or CIA agents to mislead the public.

Then even A51 and 1967 Saunder could also be part of that as well...maybe even PRC..& "Z"..

All that is a possibility..I would think.

There is also Dan Burish and Bill Uhouse who spoke of S4 and tunnels  and their storiss support what Bob said but include other details  There is also Glen Campbell (not the singer) and Ron Rummel...

For all these people to be in on the plot is highly unlikely and one has to ask why they would go to so much trouble?   Secrets are not kept by cluing in hundreds of people to the info

That is the whole purpose of compartmentalization   Only a select few need to know it all, the rest get read in to ONLY the part they need to do their job. If they talk to each other on the inside there is hell to pay

If too many people have the facts chances are someone will talk

Well Bob, Bill and Dan all talked   and they were not snuffed (Bill Uhouse died of old age) Dan's version has been challenged because he is involved in a lot of ufology related conspiract. Bill Uhouse on th eother hand had only one story like Bob... he stuck to it but wasn't on the circuit  So few even know his story.

Near the end he did some interviews LOL One was funny because the interviewer started asking him about all sorts of stuff he had no knowledge of. He stumbled to come up with answers  and the guy kept asking  In the end he told him... "Well I really don't know all that, I was just telling you what you wanted to hear" {paraphrased}


Bill Uhouse was an engineer who designed a simulator for umans to fly the sport module

[zorgon]

Part 1-2-3 - Two Scientists Describe An Extraterrestrial Biological Entity Called "J-Rod"

© 2002 by Linda Moulton Howe

In 1999, Bill told me that he was talking to a mechanical engineer named Bill Uhouse who had worked on a U. S. military program to build an advanced simulator that could teach certain American pilots how to fly disc craft - either back-engineered or actual alien craft.

The technical adviser on the project was allegedly an EBEN called "J-Rod," who had been working with a secret agency of the United States government since 1953 at Los Alamos National Laboratory in northern New Mexico and in a secret underground facility called Site 4 literally inside the Papoose Mountains near Groom Lake, Area 51 and Nellis AFB.

Uhouse, now 78-years-old and knowing his non-disclosure agreement with the U. S. government expires in 2003, began speaking publicly about his experiences. Back then on June 14, 1999, I presented in Earthfiles.com with his permission, "The Strange Story of J-Rod, An EBE" © 1999 by Bill Hamilton.

Since then, Bill has had in-depth communications with a microbiologist originally named Danny Benjamin Crain who changed his name for personal family reasons, he says, to Dan Burisch. Dr. Dan Burisch (Ph.D., State University of New York, Stoneybrook), also describes an assignment to study the biological fluids and tissues of an EBEN called J-Rod inside S-4 up to 1995.

Then he was assigned to a new project called Star Flower in which he researches materials allegedly related to panspermia, the seeding of life on earth from extraterrestrial sources. Project Star Flower is ongoing.
This week, Bill Hamilton and I discussed Bill Uhouse's and Dr. Dan Burisch's alleged experiences with one or more extraterrestrial biological entities referred to as J-Rods.



Drawing of J-Rod by mechanical engineer, Bill Uhouse, based on J-Rod's appearance dressed in a human man's shirt in 1970s or early 1980s at a conference table with physicist Edward Teller and eighteen scientists, including Uhouse. The project that linked Uhouse to J-Rod was a "flying saucer simulator" to teach certain U. S. Air Force pilots to fly back-engineered, and/or actual, extraterrestrial craft.

Scientific Meetings Lead by J-Rod and Physicist Edward Teller
THAT UHOUSE WOULD HAVE TO KNOW TECHNICALLY?
Yes. Apparently, Bill Uhouse was in attendance at a conference table with a number of scientists at Los Alamos. At one end of the table was the head of the project which by name, according to Uhouse, was Dr. Edward Teller. At the other end of the table was J-Rod. In attendance around the conference table, I guess, were 18 scientists and engineers.



In September 1996, Area 51 investigator, Glenn Campbell, interviewed Bill Uhouse who he referred to as "Jarod 2." Working with Uhouse's direction, Campbell drew the UFO simulator graphics above © 1996.

Zeta Reticulii 1 and 2 and Gliese 876-c Star Systems
DID HE HAVE ANY IMPRESSION FROM J-ROD ABOUT J-ROD'S PLANET OR THE WAY J-ROD LIVED WHEN HE WAS NOT IN THE CONFINES OF LOS ALAMOS OR AREA 51?

No. He mentioned that J-Rod was originally from the Zeta Reticulum system.

ZETA RETICULII I AND II, THE BINARY SYSTEM?

Yes.



The yellow binary star system Zeta Reticulii 1 and 2 is about 37 light years from Earth.
Both suns are similar to the Earth's sun. The distance between the binary stars is estimated to be nearly 100 times the distance from Pluto to our sun. Thus, a solar system around one star is not expected to disturb another solar system around the second star.

(Editorial Note by Earthfiles Reporter and Editor Linda Moulton Howe: In September 1998, a source I interviewed at length who wishes to simply be called "Kewper" told me that he worked for both the CIA and the Army Signal Corps between 1956 and 1960. He was stationed at an Army school that taught encryption in the southeastern United States.

His supervisor asked Kewper to join a highly classified CIA group to analyze photographs, drawings, documents and other evidence from around the world related to the presence of a non-human intelligence. Kewper said in August 1958, he, his boss and five other CIA colleagues flew to Nellis AFB, Nevada for a meeting with a USAF Colonel in an area built into the Papoose Mountains near Groom Lake called S-4.

There, the group not only saw seven round craft inside a hollowed out area of the Papoose Mountains, but were taken to an office to communicate telepathically with a grey non-human being working in some capacity with the U. S. government. The drawing below is by Kewper of the being he saw in that August 1958 meeting. For more information about Kewper's story, see Earthfiles.com Radio Archives May 31, 1998 Dreamland and Coast to Coast AM about Kewper, CIA and Area-51.)



Drawing © 1998 by "Kewper," former U. S. Army cryptographer who saw this extraterrestrial biological entity in August 1958 dressed in a human T-shirt at an underground installation inside the Papoose Mountains near Groom Lake called S-4, Area 51, Nellis AFB, Nevada.

www.earthfiles.com... X-Files

Spacevisitor:
I have the articles in worddocs, so if anyone is interested in them, let me know by U2U.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread607266/pg2

[zorgon]

Dr Dan Burisch's Version - Microbiologist
PROJECT AQUARIUS
(Special access intelligence revealed from the "Dark Side of the Moon")

PROJECT AQUARIUS - PDF FORM

[zorgon]

Interview with Victor, the Grey Alien footage smuggled out of Area 51.
Full Movie





Alien Interview - Victor Returns 11 Years Later [Part 1 of 2]





Alien Interview - Victor Returns 11 Years Later [Part 2 of 2]

[astr0144]

Some interesting additions to the thread you made "Z"..

That is interesting if Bill Uhouse created a type of UFO simulator..

The footage on the video seems to support he was certainly working on some sort of mechanical looking device that looked like a UFO as well as seeing other footage of engineers building some structures for either the simulator or maybe a replica craft..question if so.. was it from an ET one..

With Ref to Glen Campbell...

Initially for many years he seemed to believe the theories in relation to UFOs and ETs at Area 51..

But Later I though I read somewhere that he later suggested that he could no longer obtain anything further as real proof and eventually decided to move away from pursuing to try to convince the public.

Last I heard of him , he had decided to become homeless..and live and travel around and often sleep in his car..living a very cheap basic existence..
Maybe taking on a few temporary Jobs along the way.

He did have a website at one time that used to show how one could live the way he was...and show where he was when travelling around the country (USA)..

That was always something that I found strange..

http://www.glenn-campbell.com/

[Sinny]

Bump

[lolos]

  Bob was probably drugged at "S4" when he was debriefed.  Bob also admits his ET sighting was quite possible a set up.  So even if you believe Bob's story there is still no proof of ET.  Bob has been used too possibly.

My two cents as i read this thread, Lear did mention that Bob decided fully that he was out when he was drugged with , correct me if i am wrong,  "the green liquid"
On to reading the rest.

Ps the why the Germans thing IS too specific and always kinda bugged me, but they were the ones nutty enough to try some reeeeaaallly crazy stuff necromancy and all. Crazy dudes.

[lolos]

Interview with Victor, the Grey Alien footage smuggled out of Area 51.
Full Movie





Alien Interview - Victor Returns 11 Years Later [Part 1 of 2]





Alien Interview - Victor Returns 11 Years Later [Part 2 of 2]

Ahh... "Victor"  forced "stress cough" and almost scripted "mock-laugh"
Best case scenario, the alien footage is a recreation of an event. There are tooooo many bells that ring in my head that say fake while watching , no matter how i wish it to be real..

[The Seeker]

This thread has lain dormant for almost 2 years, pushed to the side and forgotten 

with the digitized  footage of events recorded by A51 and Bob Lazar and John Lear, it is readily apparent that some type of advanced craft are being operated at Groom Lake...

Time to dig a little deeper...

Seeker