The 1897 Alien Crash Landing at Aurora, Texas

[Irene]

Yeah, that's just about right, but I'm pretty sure the grave has not been touched. They've been very vigilant in that regard.

[ArMaP]

Astro, the first item you need to consider is that other than hot air balloons,airships of any kind did not exist yet.

That depends on what you call "hot air balloons", a dirigible was called an airship at the time.

[astr0144]

Appreciate your comments and thoughts on this topic Seeker...
My impression is its something that you have looked into at sometime into some reasonable degree.

Also I think that you may also believe in the story that makes it seem a more valid story to consider..

I have to say that it would seem hard to believe that even an airship if they existed could have been flying in the area at that time let alone crashed...

However in one of the earlier posts in this thread, Sinny posted some info on Airships in the 1890s.. so that may suggest that they were flying around in the area..as much as it would surprise me..

http://www.crystalinks.com/mysteryairships.html

The Mystery Airships were a class of unidentified flying objects, the best-known series of which were reported in newspapers in western states of the U.S., starting in 1896 and continuing into 1897.

The reported ships were usually said to be a type of dirigible, and were usually differentiated from gliders or hot air balloons. The best-known wave of airship tales were largely confined to North America, but according to Jerome Clark, similar reports were made worldwide, early as the 1880s, and late as the 1990s.

1896-1897

The best-known of the Mystery Airship waves began in California in 1896. Afterwards, reports and accounts of similar airships came from others areas, generally moving east. There were a number of mystery airship reports from the U.S. east coast in 1887.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8077.msg114814#msg114814


Also In the Wikipedia link that I posted however... it does give some info on the history of airships from the early attempts from the 1600 / 1700 s but some do seem to appear as Balloon type design.. and if they did exist as airships that were able to fly in some manner different from general type of Balloon flight, I still think that overall it would seem a slow craft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airship

1600s–1700s[edit]
In 1670 the Jesuit Father Francesco Lana de Terzi, sometimes referred to as the "Father of Aeronautics",[33] published a description of an "Aerial Ship" supported by four copper spheres from which the air was evacuated. Although the basic principle is sound, such a craft was unrealizable then and remains so to the present day, since external air pressure would cause the spheres to collapse unless their thickness was such as to make them too heavy to be buoyant.[34] A hypothetical craft constructed using this principle is known as a Vacuum airship.

A model of the 1852 Giffard Airship at the London Science Museum.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/GiffardAirship.JPG


You maybe right about the use of Cameras back then...

I am not sure how close a major town may had been to that area or where any of the Reporters came from...It may have been one from Aurora and few small towns had anyone who had such cameras.

Astro, the first item you need to consider is that other than hot air balloons,airships of any kind did not exist yet. It was many years before the Wright Brothers made their first flight...

The crash is documented fact; the death and burial of the dismembered pilot is documented fact.
The tombstone was removed and the location of the grave hidden after modern public inquiry in to the history of the event; it is also documented that the local authorities denied a request to exhume the grave, and subsequently it was discovered by the research team that someone had opened the grave one night and everything in it had been removed.

Bill Byrnes' UFO Hunters were involved in the uncapping and search of the well, only to discover all the crash debris had already been removed and the well cleaned. The land owner was a judge; there are several different programs available that cover the Aurora incident in detail...

As to cameras, they were very new and very rare; we are talking a rural community a very long way from any large city or population center in 1897...



Seeker

[ArMaP]

Also In the Wikipedia link that I posted however... it does give some info on the history of airships from the early attempts from the 1600 / 1700 s but some do seem to appear as Balloon type design.. and if they did exist as airships that were able to fly in some manner different from general type of Balloon flight, I still think that overall it would seem a slow craft.

The first were, but close to the end of the 19th century things were looking better. In 1884, the airship "La France", with an electric motor, flew 8 km in 23 minutes, and, as you can see below, it looked more like a modern dirigible than like a balloon.

[astr0144]

8 Km in 23 Minutes I think would have seemed quite fast for an airship in the 1800s...

I had not heard of the description "dirigible" before...

This was some various airships in the early days that evolved from Balloons...



This is some other descriptions of airships that evolved from the 1880s to 1900..

It seems the 1st one with a Motor was the year before in 1883 prior to the La France airship ! with just a small 1 KW Siemens motor..

In 1883 the first electric-powered flight was made by Gaston Tissandier, who fitted a 1.5 hp (1.1 kW) Siemens electric motor to an airship.

The first fully controllable free-flight was made in 1884 by Charles Renard and Arthur Constantin Krebs in the French Army airship La France. La France made the first flight of an airship that landed where it took off; the 170 ft (52 m) long, 66,000 cu ft (1,900 m3) airship covered 8 km (5.0 mi) in 23 minutes with the aid of an 8.5 hp (6.3 kW) electric motor,[48] and a 435 kilograms (959 lb) battery. It made seven flights in 1884 and 1885.[42]

In 1888 the design of the Campbell Air Ship, designed by Professor Peter C. Campbell, was submitted to aeronautic engineer Carl Edgar Myers for examination.[49] After his approval it was built by the Novelty Air Ship Company. It was lost at sea in 1889 while being flown by Professor Hogan during an exhibition flight.[50]
In 1888–97 Dr. Frederich Wölfert built three airships powered by Daimler Motoren Gesellschaft-built petrol engines, the last of which caught fire in flight and killed both occupants in 1897.[51] The 1888 version used a 2 hp single cylinder Daimler engine and flew 10 km (6 mi) from Canstatt to Kornwestheim.[52][53]

ArMaP

The first were, but close to the end of the 19th century things were looking better. In 1884, the airship "La France", with an electric motor, flew 8 km in 23 minutes, and, as you can see below, it looked more like a modern dirigible than like a balloon.

[The Seeker]

The airships Sinny noted earlier in the thread were of unknown origin, and from eye witness descriptions were not anything known at the time, not dirigibles, and flew at far greater speeds than anything available or known at that time; Armap's description above detailed a speed of roughly 13 miles per hour; the Aurora craft struck a windmill with enough force to destroy both the windmill and the craft; I will attempt to find my notes and links to a couple of the documentaries that went very indepth on this incident.
One in particular shows the team using ground penetrating radar searching for the grave...

Seeker

[astr0144]

Upon rereading Sinny's info ... I think that maybe you are right.. it is not as detailed as I initially thought in terms of appearing very valid to the Aurora 1897 crash incident.

It has been suggested in some article or videos , that the crash hit a water tower and not a windmill...but many an article or image often refers to a windmill and I thought that Jim Marr's had found some witnesses, some  who had referred to a windmill...

But I think many would envision such a object as having had  a fare force to destruct what ever it hit... although if its weight had been heavy  even if at slow speed could have destroyed what it hit...and depending how it hit the ground as to how the craft broke up.

It does seem that other parts to the story make it hard not to believe that there is more to it than just a airship.

Hopefully you can find your material that explains it more in depth.

The other one main thing that Id question I think would be that If it had been a E.T UFO that had crashed..Im not sure that I would think that its wreckage would had been put down a Well !.

The airships Sinny noted earlier in the thread were of unknown origin, and from eye witness descriptions were not anything known at the time, not dirigibles, and flew at far greater speeds than anything available or known at that time; Armap's description above detailed a speed of roughly 13 miles per hour; the Aurora craft struck a windmill with enough force to destroy both the windmill and the craft; I will attempt to find my notes and links to a couple of the documentaries that went very indepth on this incident.
One in particular shows the team using ground penetrating radar searching for the grave...

Seeker

[The Seeker]

It has been suggested in some article or videos , that the crash hit a water tower and not a windmill...but many an article or image often refers to a windmill and I thought that Jim Marr's had found some witnesses, some  who had referred to a windmill...

Astro, it is/was a wind driven water pump; this 1897 in rural texas...

It does seem that other parts to the story make it hard not to believe that there is more to it than just a airship.

Again, this is 1897; the concept of anything beyond an airship did not exist at the time; there weren't any "space ships" "Ufo's" etc.

The other one main thing that Id question I think would be that If it had been a E.T UFO that had crashed..Im not sure that I would think that its wreckage would had been put down a Well !.

You seem to not be able to fathom that this is a simpler time when the common forms of travel were either by horse,mule,oxen, or feet... there wasn't any other way to travel other than by steam locomotive which were few and far between; the concept of extra-terrestrial or un-identified flying objects was not a concept familiar to 99.9% of people... they didn't know what it was and took the easy way to get rid of it; by throwing it in a hole in the ground...



Seeker

[robomont]

Imho,it was a blimp powered by steam for thrust and hydrogen for lift.the owner had a dog with the skin tag virus.
The dog died in crash and got blood all over bits,these bits were thrown in well and owner of well bathed in water years later,thus getting massive skin tags.
Owner of craft hauled butt so as not to pay for damages to windmill.dog was buried and assumed to be alien.as hair would have been burned off dog from hydrogen fire and looked alien.due to mutilation in wreck.aurora is milking story for publicity.look for maybe hospital record of pilot who shows up burned or broken leg etc.lol.if that existed still but i doubt it.there was many records of ufo landing and man collecting pond water during this time period.my guess is fuel was kerosene.back them crazy folks tried anything to fly and tech was known in germany and maybe newyork.aluminum was only manufactured in germany back then and supposedly al was found.

[Irene]

Robo,

Did you see the picture of that man's hands? Those are not skin tags. They're arthritic calcification and/or tumors.

How do I know this? I have a form of autoimmune soft tissue arthritis due to toxic exposure.

I've gotten an education from my rheumatologist about various forms of arthritis because my case is unusual.

And, as previously noted by Seeker, the craft was moving fast enough to destroy both the craft and the windmill. No blimp could have done that. We're not talking about the Hindenburg blowing up.

[ArMaP]

And, as previously noted by Seeker, the craft was moving fast enough to destroy both the craft and the windmill. No blimp could have done that. We're not talking about the Hindenburg blowing up.

I suppose it depends on how the structure was made, as although floating in the air those airships had enough mass to destroy things. The one I posted above, "La France", was powered by a 435 kg battery, so even at 10 miles per hour it had enough energy in it to make serious damages.

[Irene]

I suppose it depends on how the structure was made, as although floating in the air those airships had enough mass to destroy things. The one I posted above, "La France", was powered by a 435 kg battery, so even at 10 miles per hour it had enough energy in it to make serious damages.

So they stuffed a blimp big enough to destroy a windmill and itself down a tiny well?

Have you seen the well?

[ArMaP]

So they stuffed a blimp big enough to destroy a windmill and itself down a tiny well?

Maybe, what is needed to destroy something on impact is a structure that is strong enough and mass, not size.

Have you seen the well?

I don't think I have.

[Irene]

Maybe, what is needed to destroy something on impact is a structure that is strong enough and mass, not size.
I don't think I have.

Oh, you mean like a lead balloon? 

[ArMaP]

Oh, you mean like a lead balloon? 

Not necessarily, although I like Led Zeppelin.

The newspaper clip in the Wikipedia article says that it "must have weighed several tons".