Another airliner down, pilot locked out of cockpit

[Shasta56]

Predictive programming, perhaps?

That reminds me of the Aurora Theater shooting.   James Holmes reportedly had a fascination with The Joker.   It's possible that he had a psychotic break that precipitated his actions.    From what I've read in the newspaper,  it sounds like the co-pilot might have had a psychotic break that precipitated his actions.

Shasta

[ArMaP]

He probably doesn't accept your theories either!

That's the best thing to do, nobody should accept anyone's theories just because they support their own point of view or just because that person is somewhat famous.

[spacemaverick]

So here we go again with several different stories coming out.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/psych-medicine-found-at-home-of-germanwings-copilot-20150328-1ma51z.html

Actual evidence here:  A search of one of the homes of the French Alps crash co-pilot Andreas Lubitz has reportedly found medicines for psychological illness.

A German newspaper said investigators made the discovery in the Duesseldorf home of Lubitz, who is suspected of deliberately crashing a passenger jet into the French Alps.

It also said personal notes showed the Germanwings co-pilot was suffering from being overstressed and was severely depressive.

A person close to the investigation said Lubitz was suffering from a psychosomatic illness, and was being treated by several neurologists and psychiatrists for his sickness.

Lubitz sought treatment for vision problems that may have put an end to his career as a pilot, The New York Times reported, citing two officials with knowledge of the investigation.

One of the people said authorities have not ruled out the possibility the sight problem may have been psychosomatic. Neither police nor prosecutors could be reached by Bloomberg for comment on the report.

Psychosomatic disorders are physical diseases that are thought to have mental reasons such as stress and anxiety.

German prosecutors believe Lubitz hid an illness from his airline and had been written off sick on the day of the air disaster, which killed 150 people.

Police have started questioning those close to the first officer on the flight to try and understand what may have caused him to deliberately steer the plane into a mountainside, Ralf Herrenbrueck, spokesman for the Dusseldorf prosecutors office handling the case, said by phone Saturday.

Investigators are focusing on the 27-year-old's mental health after they found a doctor's note among torn-up medical documents certifying him unfit for work on the day of the crash. Authorities said he hadn't told Germanwings about his medical condition.

He wanted people to know who he was:

http://www.euronews.com/2015/03/28/one-day-the-world-will-know-my-name-germanwings-co-pilot-lubitz-declared/

Andreas Lubitz wanted to "change the system" and said "one day everyone would know his name", an ex-girlfriend
of the 27-year-old has told German tabloid Bild.

An investigation is underway into the co-pilot believed to have deliberately crashed the Germanwings Airbus A320.

A torn up doctor's note, recovered from one of his residences, indicates he could have been excused from work for medical reasons on the day of the disaster.

Dumped by girlfriend the day before the crash

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/03/28/germanwings-co-pilot-dumped-by-girlfriend-day-before-crash-being-treated-for/

The co-pilot Andreas Lubitz who steered an airline with 150 people on board into a French mountainside had been dumped by his girlfriend the day prior to the crash and was undergoing treatment for depression from a doctor, according to reports Saturday.

The Wall Street Journal reported that Lubitz was under the care of a neuropsychologist for depression. The doctor gave Lubitz a note excusing him from the work the day of the crash but he ignored the advice and reported to work, the paper said, citing a person familiar with the investigation.

more at the link on the girlfriend....plus a video...

[spacemaverick]

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/germanwings-co-pilot-s-non-existent-muslim-conversion_901589.html

Blogs and social media has been abuzz with talk of a supposed "German news report" indicating that Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot of Germanwings flight 9525, was a Muslim convert. In fact, there is no such report. The rumor that Lubitz converted to Islam got started on the German site Politically Incorrect. In the American blogosphere, Politically Incorrect is being cited as a "German news website." It is not a news site, however, but rather is an overtly anti-Islamic blog/forum. The confusion apparently arose from the site's url: www.pi-news.net.

Given the orientation of the site and reports that Germanwings 9525 was intentionally crashed by the co-pilot, it is hardly surprising that commentators on Politically Incorrect would speculate about whether Lubitz was a Muslim. Reference was made in particular to a blog post by a site regular named Michael Mannheimer. Mannheimer's post contains no evidence that Lubitz was a Muslim convert, but just more speculation. Mannheimer's conjecture is based on such apparently suspicious details as the fact that Lubitz did flight training in Bremen and Bremen is also home to a mosque known for its radicalism. In fairness to Politically Incorrect, it should be noted that several commentators on the site have themselves rejected the speculations in Mannheimer's post as unfounded, including one who remarked that he "must have been very drunk" when he wrote it.

So far this is the only source that reported that he was a Muslim convert.

[RUSSO]

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Quote from: burntheships on March 27, 2015, 11:51:41 PM
It was an act of terrorism regardless of any political correct
label not applied. If this is not terrorism, nothing is.

So a man that beats his wife is a terrorist, a bigger guy that bully a weak person is a terrorist, a cop that use his power to make someone feel intimidated is a terrorist, a thief that uses a weapon to rob a group of people and terrorise them is a terrorist too.

I think this generalization of the word "terrorist" serves a very specific objective. Not to mention this causes a growing confusion in the population minds, which in my view, is intrinsically related to why they choose and use it in the first place to connote attacks to a government generating fear in the population.

You may say, but this event made more people fear to flight comercial flights. To this I say to you, only if you believe that this was terrorism. Remember that there is crazy people driving busses and cars too.

Politically loaded and emotionally charged as it is, one day you may find yourself called a terrorist because you fought your neighbor or something banal like this due the trivialization of the meaning it have.

[RUSSO]

Originally posted by Zorgon.

So a man that beats his wife is a terrorist, a bigger guy that bully a weak person is a terrorist, a cop that use his power to make someone feel intimidated is a terrorist, a thief that uses a weapon to rob a group of people and terrorise them is a terrorist too.

Well we used to call them THUGS  

Thug:  a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer. "Thug" is derived from Thuggies or Thuggees.

The Thugs traveled in groups across India for six hundred years. Although the Thugs traced their origin to seven Muslim tribes, Hindus appear to have been associated with them at an early period. The Thugs would join travelers and gain their confidence. This would allow them to then surprise and strangle their victims by pulling a handkerchief or noose tight around their necks. They would then rob their victims of valuables and bury their bodies.

Sounds like 'terrorists" to me   Odd that they have a Muslim origin... I always thought they were from India

I think this generalization of the word "terrorist" serves a very specific objective. Not to mention this causes a growing confusion in the population minds, which in my view, is intrinsically related to why they choose and use it in the first place to connote attacks to a government generating fear in the population.

Generalization is a human nature. Look at the way all Masons Rosicrucians ets are all "Illuminati"  and all government are evil Cabal  (yet none of those people could survive a week without the government )

Flying has been relatively free from the highjackings in recent years. They mostly stopped when we bombed Kadafi's house and killed his family (though he was living in a tent and they missed him) No more safe haven for high jackers.

Now we see a new rash. You would THINK the airlines would take steps to fix it. We wanted to go to Japan before Fukushima  Still do  Okinawa is safe and that is the place to go...  Plane fare was 3.000.00ish  It is now down to 600-800.00 round trip.  So prices are effected because people are afraid to fly, whether terrorists, TSA goons molesting you and stealing your stuff, or natural disasters

Well its a moot point I can't afford to fly much these days

You may say, but this event made more people fear to flight commercial flights. To this I say to you, only if you believe that this was terrorism. Remember that there is crazy people driving busses and cars too.

True but most people I talk to fly only when they need to.  Its getting to be too much of a hassle on top of the fear

Politically loaded and emotionally charged as it is, one day you may find yourself called a terrorist because you fought your neighbor or something banal like this due the trivialization of the meaning it have.

If you believe that 9/11 was done by the US Cabal... you are already a terrorist

[08rubicon]

   What if...the co-pilot did not fly this airbus into the mountain...The idea of
  blaiming every crime on depression and possible psychological problems is
  beginning to worry me..It seems as if someone is trying to find most of the
  human race psychologically unfit to exist. Most psychiatrist might find that
  most of us are somewhat depressed or unfit to do the normal things like,
  voting, owning a firearm, having children,getting married, or driving a car.
    I read someplace that a military jet squacked 7700 just before the 
  germanwings went down...could an accidental air strike have brought this
  plane to destruction? Have you heard anymore of this emergency traffic?
     Afterall, I am a conspiracy nut, which would put me in with the undesirables
      rubicon

[ArMaP]

   What if...the co-pilot did not fly this airbus into the mountain...The idea of
  blaiming every crime on depression and possible psychological problems is
  beginning to worry me.

Yesterday I was talking with my sisters about it, and as we all are affected by depression in different levels we all know a little about what we were talking about, and we all agreed that, depression or no depression, if the co-pilot was able to board the plane and talk to the pilot without raising suspicions then he was not under a great depression, and if he had suicidal intentions he had mostly a big disregard for other people's lives.

Neither I or my sisters remembered any case of someone suffering from depression and having suicidal thoughts that thinks/thought of killing himself/herself in a way that would also kill other people.

[space otter]

one online site huffs out the correct headline

THE SPECULATION GAME

[Dyna]

   What if...the co-pilot did not fly this airbus into the mountain...The idea of
  blaiming every crime on depression and possible psychological problems is
  beginning to worry me..It seems as if someone is trying to find most of the
  human race psychologically unfit to exist. Most psychiatrist might find that
  most of us are somewhat depressed or unfit to do the normal things like,
  voting, owning a firearm, having children,getting married, or driving a car.
    I read someplace that a military jet squacked 7700 just before the 
  germanwings went down...could an accidental air strike have brought this
  plane to destruction? Have you heard anymore of this emergency traffic?
     Afterall, I am a conspiracy nut, which would put me in with the undesirables
      rubicon

I agree and his life did not seem to be the life of a person who would take hundreds with him to die. IMO

They said his treatment was not for mental illness according to his Dr who wrote the note it could have been anything even the flu and he decided to go to work and not use the Dr excuse note.

Many years ago he was depressed, depressed like 3/4 of the world and now people who don't know say he has "a mental illness". He is being hacked apart and cannot answer to the accusations. What happened to "someone else, a stewardess could have gone into the cockpit? Now some Ex Girlfriend comes forward and tells her story and they now find pills which were never mentioned when they found the note.

Looking over the parts of his life that we do know it is very difficult for me to think he was the type to take hundreds to their death and he did not SEEM to be living life like a radical muslim for instance living with his girlfriend would have been prohibited.

Afterall, I am a conspiracy nut, which would put me in with the undesirables rubicon

Yeah me to I guess sometimes in these case I think back to the newscasters who started speaking gibberish on the air. Sound effected brain control.

[spacemaverick]

one online site huffs out the correct headline

THE SPECULATION GAME

That's all it is until all the facts are in.....

[Sinny]

Depression is being pushed in the UK media a lot, in fact to ridiculous proportions, ever since Robin Williams... I think big Pharma saw it as a marketing opportunity.

They wanna dope us all.

[spacemaverick]

Another update:

http://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/03/29/germanwings/70626170/

The co-pilot of the doomed Germanwings flight repeatedly suggested that the captain leave the cockpit, then locked him out and stymied his desperate efforts to return, according to media reports Sunday.

Flight 9525's captain, Patrick Sondheimer, screamed, "For God's sake, open the door!" when he realized co-pilot Andreas Lubitz had essentially jammed the cockpit door, according to data recorder transcripts obtained by the German newspaper Bild................The Bild transcript, translated by London's Daily Mail, describes a tranquil cockpit after takeoff where Lubitz suggested Sondheimer go to the toilet, noting that Sondheimer had not done so in Barcelona. About 20 minutes later, Lubitz says, "You can go now."

Two minutes later the pilot says, "You can take over," and apparently leaves the cockpit. The plane begins its descent almost immediately, at 10:29 a.m. local time.

Within minutes, Bild describes a loud bang as someone attempts to enter the cockpit, then Sondheimer yells, "For God's sake, open the door!" Passengers are heard screaming.

At 10:35 a.m., more banging, and less than two minutes later the pilot is heard yelling "Open the goddam door!"

At 10:40 a.m., the right wing of the jet clips a mountain and the last sounds are those of passengers screaming. Bild reports.

German newspaper Die Welt reported that Lubitz was suffering from a "psychosomatic" illness and that investigators found prescription medication in his Duesseldorf apartment. Other German media reported Lubitz apparently suffered from depression. According to Bild, Lubitz was being treated for vision problems that he feared could jeopardize his career.

The pastor of the Lutheran church in Lubitz's hometown of Montabaur said Sunday that the community stands by him and his family.

"For us, it makes it particularly difficult that the only victim from Montabaur is suspected to have caused this tragedy," pastor Michael Dietrich told the Associated Press. "The co-pilot, the family belong to our community, and we stand by this, and we embrace them and will not hide this, and want to support the family in particular."

Philip Bramley, whose son Paul, 27, a Briton, died in the crash, said such an incident "should never happen again."

He said: "What happened on the morning of 24 March was the act of a person who at the very least was ill," Sky News reported Saturday.

[spacemaverick]

Speculation continues and still no flight data recorder....where is the FDR?  All we know is that an aircraft flew into a mountain...having the FDR would lessen speculation as to what happened in detail in the cockpit regarding control or lack thereof in the cockpit.

Link above also has a video....

Speculation continues to surround Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot believed to have deliberately crashed Germanwings flight 9525, particularly about his mental health at the time the Airbus A-320 flew into a mountain.

When questioned by AFP, French and German investigators declined to confirm or deny reports suggesting Andreas Lubitz had been treated by neurologists and psychiatrists.

Some of the speculation is based on apparently leaked information.

Germanwings pilot Frank Woiton is from the same German hometown of Mountabaur as Lubitz.

"I flew with that colleague three or four weeks ago," he said, referring to Lubitz. "I had quite a normal notion of him. He even had future plans. He said that he is happy to fly for Lufthansa that he wants to fly long distance. He wants to become A380-pilot."

Meanwhile, Evan Cullen, president of the Irish Airline Pilots Association said he was not happy with media coverage of the crash.

"We still don't know exactly what happened," he told broadcaster Marian Finucane during an interview on RTE Radio One. "We have no technical report and we certainly don't have a report from qualified accident investigators according to the international rules."

When Finucane said it seemed "a little unfair" that Lubitz had been "found guilty more or less overnight," Cullen explained: "Where I have the difficulty is that a country such as France, which signed up to the international conventions on accident investigation and doing it properly and scientifically, has allowed a magistrate jump to this conclusion without any technical report, without any sign-off from a technical expert. They have done all of this in the absence of the flight data recorder."

"I'm flying airplanes 26 years," Cullen said. "I never ever recall an accident such as this where a determination has been made by an authority in 48 hours in the absence of the flight data recorder. It is an extraordinary thing that's happened."

A chief French investigator said on Saturday it was too early to rule out other explanations for the crash.

"There is obviously a scenario that is well known to the media and which we are focusing on," French investigator General Jean-Pierre Michel told French media.

Read more at

[spacemaverick]

"Flight 9525's captain, Patrick Sondheimer, screamed, "For God's sake, open the door!" when he realized co-pilot Andreas Lubitz had essentially jammed the cockpit door, according to data recorder transcripts obtained by the German newspaper Bild................The Bild transcript, translated by London's Daily Mail, describes a tranquil cockpit after takeoff where Lubitz suggested Sondheimer go to the toilet, noting that Sondheimer had not done so in Barcelona. About 20 minutes later, Lubitz says, "You can go now."


This article speaks of data recorder transcripts and the other article does not....well did they find it or not...back to digging.  Looking back...it is the transcript of the voice recorder and not the FDR...so the made an error in reporting.  FDR not found yet.