How to Withdraw Consent

[zorgon]

There is another good example we can use  Highway Construction

You have congested traffic in an area Roads are a mess, chaos in driving to work, anger and road rage abound... your yelling at the Gubment to DO something about it... you call them names, accuse them of hoarding the money... fix the DAMN ROADS

So the Utopia in this case is a Toll Free Super Highway...

Okay so FIRST comes the PLAN  Have to lay it out on paper to make sure it works  That requires looking at ALL the obstacles... figuring out ALL the logistics  BEFORE you can even start

SECOND  You cannot stop traffic while you build it so what do you do?  You have to come up with an interm plan  a TRANSITION PHASE..  You build this phase while allowing the traffic to flow albeit with a few added inconveniences.  But effectivel the traffic moves on as it did before  but there is a HINT of promise that soon it will get better.  So the Peeps go about their business grumbling still but knowing there is a solution being created

THIRD  You spend a LOT of EXTRA money on building other roads for the TRANSITION PHASE. These roads will allow you access to build the Freeway and not disrupt the traffic. These roads will magically vanish as time goes on

FORTH  You remove the barricades and let the traffic just flow into the new Paradign  the finished Freeway

The grumbling people will just follow the signs directing them to the new route... in a few days they will forget the old roads  Few will wonder where this new Freeway just popped up from  and they will go on about their business  and find something new to grumble about



In this way so must a new system be built.  It has to be created BEHIND the scenes by a few willing to spend a lot of money to make it happen.  Then when the infrastructure is ready, you open the gates and herd the People into the new system.  That is the only way it will work

But you need those first few people with the desire and the available MONEY to start it rolling

[Glaucon]

I live reading you guys engage with eachither. The absolute "broadest" and fundamental questions about human natures interconnectivity with the nature of the universe prevail. Digression is often very constructive.

[Glaucon]

I find it difficult to follow these threads when everyone seems to silently acknowledge the broader inquires the topic facilitates. Simultaneously posting information based on their personal/holy virtues unique to them...avoiding the cosmic elephant in the room

[zorgon]

Simultaneously posting information based on their personal/holy virtues unique to them...

That is what Hu-mons do best  argue a point based on their beliefs  That is why the Internet is now the NEW "Tower of Babble"

avoiding the cosmic elephant in the room

[Glaucon]

That is what Hu-mons do best  argue a point based on their beliefs  That is why the Internet is now the NEW "Tower of Babble"

I think you may have literally stated humans, as a collective, most shared and frequent employment. A near total unawareness of what others really feel and if they invest integrity in their intent. It's quite eloquently simple, just let go.

[Amaterasu]

There is no shielding for atomic bombs  Just look at Fukushima




All that will be left of you is a SHADOW as your body vaporizes but has enough shielding for a few seconds to cast a permanent shadow


It seems that you have not thought this through 

Yup.  There is no shielding available to Us average Joes.  I agree. 

[Amaterasu]

You cannot make a plan for any utopia, big or small  without the logistics

I really wish People would stop calling the Abundance Paradigm a UTOPIA.  IT IS NOT.  It's just a hell of a lot better a way of doing things than the ways We are doing them now.

Geez.

[petrus4]

Lord Ganesha is missing his mouse, here.  Depictions of him do not bring as much good luck, if they do not have his mouse.

On topic:-

"Utopia," is a good example of what is known as a weasel word.  It is a subjective abstraction, and does not mean anything. 

As a term, "Utopia," implies perfection; but I think it is an insult to Amy's and my intelligence, to assume that either of us believe that perfection is possible or attainable.  What I at least am interested in, is radical improvement; but I have absolutely no illusions about the idea that even in a scenario where our immediate logistical needs were hypothetically met, we would not immediately look for other problems with which to occupy our time.  Once one given set of problems has been solved, a new one immediately presents itself.

Our logistical needs are an elementary problem.  As a problem, it has become boring; and at this point it only remains a problem in the first place, because our system of economics is entirely arbitrary.  We are no longer living in a scenario where currency has any real relationship with physical goods as it is.

I don't want perfection, because that would mean I'd have nothing to do.  What I do want, however, is for the basic logistical problems to be replaced by another set of problems which are not only more interesting, but which allow me to feel in solving them, as though I'm actually doing something which has more real meaning, than simply allowing me to keep breathing for another 24 hours.

[Pimander]

Gold medal for ignoring my point.

All the evidence thus far suggests that it is the people that want to destroy us who already have the knowledge. {of deadly weapons and free enertgy}.
Ergo.. what exactly??

The point is that if they have them already and wanted you dead then you would be.  Ergo you must be wrong and the holders of the secret of free energy are actually protecting you from being destroyed by the likes of ISIL/ISIS - by keeping that knowledge out of their hands.

If you can't concede that then I say you are wilfully ignoring the obvious truth I have put before you.

So then, I'll ask you for a straight answer.  If the knowledge of how to utilise "free energy" (that is currently kept secret) gives easy access to the power required to destroy our civilisation and kill us all, would you release the information into the public domain?

No ifs or buts.  Would you or not?

[Pimander]

If We all had equal access to both weapons and shielding, with the ability to respond personally to any issue We care about, I'm not seeing any problem going unsolved.

There is no known shielding possible to protect us from a weapon with limitless energy/power.

So then, I'll ask you for a straight answer.  If the knowledge of how to utilise "free energy" (that is currently kept secret) gives easy access to the power required to destroy our civilisation and kill us all, would you release the information into the public domain?

No ifs or buts.  Would you or not?


Anyone else see the problem here?

[Pimander]

I could not be clearer that I am members.  If you held the information required to make a device that could reveal how to destroy us all (i.e. a "free energy" device capable of supplying near unlimited energy/power) then who would you share it with?

I say you would not share it with any person alive who might release it into the public domain.  The consequences would be human annihilation.  The responsibility is that big.

What does that mean for PRC and "free energy" research?  It means that we have to look for a safe way to obtain energy.  Some secrets have to stay secret.  it is sad but it is the truth.  Sorry to disappoint you if I have but I am being as honest as I can be.  The truth sometimes hurts.

[zorgon]

The point is that if they have them already and wanted you dead then you would be.  Ergo you must be wrong and the holders of the secret of free energy are actually protecting you from being destroyed by the likes of ISIL/ISIS - by keeping that knowledge out of their hands.

Exactly.  But "conspiracy nuts" do not see the simple logic.

They claim that these people are psychopaths.

They claim that FEMA camps, Martial Law, Chemtrails, GMO's etc etc are a plot to kill us all.

They claim all bad weather, Earthquakes , Tsunamis etc are a plot to kill us all using HAARP

They claim all news reports are "false flag to make us angry so they can round us up"

How many decades has all this been going on?  Would it not be easier to wipe us out by putting Anthrax in those Chemtrails?   One flight  problem solved

They speak of CONTROL  and they speak of THEM wanting us dead...  but where is the logic? How do you control that which is dead?

If there were no natural earthquakes etc  how did the mountains form long before HAARP was built?

The Military is notorious for using ANY new technology, They keep it SECRET at first to be sure but they damn well waste no time in using it.  Look at the A-bomb... secret project that they couldn't launch it fast enough.  As soon as the first one worked they rushed to drop it on someone... then develpoed the second bigger on on top of it


I hear many on the web touting Electrogravitics... They say the military is covering it up.  Yet there is not a whisper about it beyond a historical footnote that was a dead end.  You can claim its all hushed up... but that falls flat when they are openly showing you EM rail guns, DEW weapons. Plasma Cannons and Laser that can beam power to a moon base.

Yes ALL the major labs are working on it  but there has been NO major break through yet.  Searl's device, Rodin coil, magnetic motors... all over the world people are tinkering with them  There is no suppression because they DO NOT WORK

[RUSSO]

How many decades has all this been going on?  Would it not be easier to wipe us out by putting Anthrax in those Chemtrails?   One flight  problem solved

Why bother spraying people if the intent is kill? Just release the plagues, as biological warfare is very effective in killing and maintain the spoils.

[zorgon]

Why bother spraying people if the intent is kill? Just release the plagues, as biological warfare is very effective in killing and maintain the spoils.

This has been my point.

IMO the "Chemtrails" are two separate issues.  I know enough about how weather and clouds are formed that YES contrails DO make persistent trails when at the right altitude and the air is at saturation point. This can be easily demonstrated in a cloud chamber and even California Windmills do the same thing. Here is an example of the windmills creating Condensation Trails as the moist fog moves in. The turbulaence creates clouds

YES there IS geoengineering, weather modification, cloud seeding, mosquitoe abatement, crop dusting, and "Global dimming" an effort to cool down the planet from the increased solar activity

The INTENT is good, whether or not the RESULTS are beneficial long term remains to be seen.  But so far no one can provide me with a death toll on how many people have been wiped out by Chemtrails


YES there is GMO... the INTENT is to feed the starving nations who cannot seem to get their act together and learn how to farm, so always need to beg for food for starving children

Back in the 70's the Canadian sent out teachers and brought with them a Hybrid Wheat seed that was great yield in harsh climates (Not GMO this was the old school Hybrids)

They went to India and to Biafra...

Results:  Indian farmers listened and learned the practice of Crop Rotation and modern farming with composting the remaining crop and stubble rather that stripping the land.

In a few short years India was producing so much wheat that they became an exporter. In thanks to the Canadian Government for this aid... India UNDERCUT the Canadian Wheat Market. 

The result was Canadian farmers had no market for the wheat and it was rotting in silos. Canada then bought up the wheat  bought rail cars to store it at tax payers expense and had to subsidize farmers.

So much for helping feed the world eh?

In Biafra the same teachers were told  "No! This is NOT how our forefathers taught us... we will not listen"

Today the Africans are still starving   Go figure

GMO strawberries 



I eat these LOL they are awesome

[zorgon]

What does that mean for PRC and "free energy" research? 

PRC Energy died   There is no one left except the Mad Doctor Chris Strevens (sp?) who still posts weekly on the old yahoo group

But yeah I do agree with you. That without control there would be annihilation or chaos at best.  I know some will say I am 'programmed"  If facing up to reality means I am programmed... So be it

Now on a different note...  yesterday a guy stopped by the house. A salesman selling solar energy packages.

Now I have looked at these hard and found the initial cost to be way too high for me to get into it...

But now there are Government incentives at the Federal and State level AND Nevada Power chips in...

So I will find out Monday "the bottom line" but apparently they will install this with no upfront cash, they will even replace my old power panel to be compatible with the inverter and Nevada Poawer will install a meter that reads in reverse.

They are doing a fly over tomorrow to take photos of the roof and he will let me know.  Not sure how it all works and what the cost will be BUT

They collect the rebates etc from the Government and power company for you and apply it to the cost

They say there will be no power bill for 14 months..

So sounds to good to be true,,, but the estimate is free

They know how much my power bill is (currently averaged yearly at $370.00 a month)  and they promise my monthly costs will drop even with their bill

So  We shall see... Would be silly for me not to check this out

I have a large roof  and this year has been unusually cool  so I have barely needed the AC  and that is the one that sucks the power. If I can run the meter backwards during winter months it would be awesome to get a check

We are also changing light bulbs to the new LED ones  Longer life  NO heat output and the same light for pennies on the dollar. And they have come down in price now so you can get 60 watt equivalent for $7.50

Since the wife is gone... we won't have all the light on in the house   (She had a habit of turning them all on but never off )