Dan Aykroyd explains UFO cover-up on The HuffPost Show

[Sinny]

You just need one to be true 

Carol Rosin really is a disappointment for me. I thought she really was with von Braun in his last years.

I just finished Beters audio letters 19-21 ... Beter was on a Space Rocket Board headed by Von Braun (I can retrace to get the actual name of it); he also touched upon the final months of Von Brauns life..

Beter tells a very different story to the Roslin types...

I know who my money's on.

I don't know why there is a lack of interest in Beters work...
The guys a TRUE whistle blower. .

For example, I had the Nazi's down for sabotaging the American Space Race.. However according to Beter, it was actually president Eisenhower and his advisors that hindered the American space race.. Their reasoning being that they didn't want Von Braun and his Army team (Army was initially contracted to enter the space race), partaking in the space race due to it's German (Braun) origins.

Instead, Eisenhower wanted the Navy to take the contract and start from scratch, leaving America far behind the Soviet Union.

(Take this into account with the Soviet Subversion od the US projects).

[JimO]

I may be the most optimistic guy here. Decades of diligent cataloguing by legions of dedicated amateurs has produced a data base offering insights into new patterns and into basic human perceptual processes. What is emerging may not be what you started out hoping for -- although that hope remains legitimate and likely to someday be fulfilled at some point in human history -- BUT your fundamental faith that the data had something real to tell us [something I always believed as well] has been vindicated. It never WAS 'all nonsense', and still isn't.

Here's just one example of using UFO data bases to monitor secret military activity [and NO, don't even bring up that nonsensical CIA guy's claim about U-2 flights]:
http://www.jamesoberg.com/140520-topol-ky.pdf 


Here's a draft of a report of mine that suggests that serendipitous and unintentional 'control experiments' have provided compelling new realizations of how people interpret certain once-in-a-lifetime sky spectacles:
http://www.jamesoberg.com/1963_kiev-fireball-swarm-rev-B.pdf

People's visual cortexes are NOT malfunctioning, they are NOT hallucinating or in delirium  The recognition/identification brainware, wired by evolution and trained over a lifetime, is functioning the way it's supposed to, we just didn't fully understand what its evolutionary-beneficial function really was.

Cheer up, guys. Nobody's saying "I told you so." The Maussons and Greers are flashes in the pan. Keep the faith, just remain able to entertain new explanations while not giving up on profound hopes.

PS I'm fascinated by Aykroyd's story of his dream summons to come outside and witness a mass sighting of a spiral in the sky. I have a theory of what it was, and why Aykroyd's story really is only imaginary.

[space otter]

PS I'm fascinated by Aykroyd's story of his dream summons to come outside and witness a mass sighting of a spiral in the sky. I have a theory of what it was, and why Aykroyd's story really is only imaginary.





could this be your theory.?...lol.. to much sampling of his own product

[JimO]

could this be your theory.?...lol.. to much sampling of his own product

Top two items here explain my view:

http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo_worldwide.html

[easynow]

Top two items here explain my view:

http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo_worldwide.html

Hey Jim,

I don't see anything in those links regarding an explanation or theory for the part about the telepathic message.

Did I miss it ?

Can you be more specific and post the relevant info in this thread ?

Thanks 

[JimO]

Hey Jim,

I don't see anything in those links regarding an explanation or theory for the part about the telepathic message.

Did I miss it ?

Can you be more specific and post the relevant info in this thread ?

Thanks 

My hypothesis is that the event described in http://www.csicop.org/si/show/great_east_coast_ufo_of_august_1986/ was what sparked Aykroyd's recollection of a dream and he concluded there was a link between them. His description contained several features that could have been garbled versions of remembered press report details. The story sprang up from real events and a powerful imagination, in my theory.

If it were real, wouldn't other people have experienced and reported it as well? 

[zorgon]

The Maussons and Greers are flashes in the pan. Keep the faith, just remain able to entertain new explanations while not giving up on profound hopes.

Well the Muassans and Greers, the Haramein's and Dona's.... are all getting literally RICH on their presenrtaions... no matter how much we try to show some sanity...

On the other side of the room the Phil Plaits and the Jim Obergs are making a living saying its all (mostly ) bunk.  Without the former... the later would be out of business

And somewhere in between are those few that really want answers.

But today the noise vs signal ratio is so bad that it is not worth the time to even bother looking.

Not that long ago I went with John Lear to the Las Vegas Atomic Museum presentation of Area 51.  The speakers were Col Charlse Halt, Nick Pope Col John Alexander, the last head of Blue Book and one other fellow ( I will look up the names later) George Knapp was also their asking questions

Now Halt gave us details of the Brentwater UFO case that I have not heard on the net before. It was very intersting and I will be ordering the DVD's soon. 

The surprize was Nick Pope  who came across as a debunker more than a UFO researcher.

John Alexander was getting angry at Charles for saying to much... but it was more like a correographed show than a real spat... As John left the podium he did through out one comment (Most people missed it  even George. As he was getting off the stage he said "BTW, we track them on satellite"

I wanted to follow up on that after the speaking was done but John was ill and we had to leave

I thought that comment about the satellites tracking UFO's was the most importnat tidbit in that conference  but I haven't had the time to follow up fro personal reasons

The other fellow was a military pilot  and he said he has some good stories  but that he wouldn't tell because no one seriously asked him... (and no one did even after that) I will look up his name shortly and edit this.

Point is the Charlatans and Debunkers have taken over. The few good stories worth looking into are so buried in BS it is not worth the time.

The old stuff has become boring to most and there really hasn't been any good new cases.

I might as well go hunt Dragons, Faeries and Elves At least they are real and a hell of a lot more fun

BTW Nice to see you back Jim....  At least I know your a closet UFO hunter

[JimO]

Well the Muassans and Greers, the Haramein's and Dona's.... are all getting literally RICH on their presenrtaions... no matter how much we try to show some sanity...

On the other side of the room the Phil Plaits and the Jim Obergs are making a living saying its all (mostly ) bunk.  Without the former... the later would be out of business

My business is accurate spaceflight. Last money I recall making for being skeptical was in 1979 when I beat out Stan F. for the Cutty Sark essay contest. Oh, yeah, that 'UFO special' for TV with that MASH actor in the mid-1980s.

We both agree it's MOSTLY but by no means ALL bunk. why the snarkiness?

[zorgon]

We both agree it's MOSTLY but by no means ALL bunk. why the snarkiness?

After all these years you would think you know my style

But maybe we should focus on those few   I know we hashed out STS 75 to death but did you ever tell us what you think of the STS-80 where they form the circle?  You may have  don't recall seeing it though.

I do admit surprise that your paycheck doesn't reflect your skeptic activity though.  Makes it hard to call you a paid shill

[RUSSO]

But maybe we should focus on those few   I know we hashed out STS 75 to death but did you ever tell us what you think of the STS-80 where they form the circle?  You may have  don't recall seeing it though.

Let me guess, ice crystals with bad gases? 

I do admit surprise that your paycheck doesn't reflect your skeptic activity though.  Makes it hard to call you a paid shill

[petrus4]

I agree but the abductee phenomena might not be Aliens in Flying Saucers. It may be something more supernatural. Jury is still out on that one for me

Evocation can be an interesting alternative to Netflix, for an evening's entertainment. 

Camelot was the one I got all the John Lear info from so in the beginning they were good.  Then they created Project Avalon forum and everything changed

Avalon is entertaining as long as you keep in mind that they are mostly full of shit.  Camelot would be more enjoyable if Kerry wasn't such a raving narcissist in love with the sound of her own voice.  I wouldn't know how many times I've been watching her videos while thinking, "For the love of Kali, will you shut the fragging hell up, woman?!"  I want to listen to the cranks and weirdos
people that she is interviewing, not her.

Greer same thing

I give Greer credit for one thing.  For him, it was probably more transparently about the Benjamins than anyone else I've seen, where this topic is concerned.

Carol Rosin supposedly was with von Braun  yet there is ZERO verification of this

Yes, but she apparently did get the timetable right.

[Sinny]

Evocation seems to be the strongest lead/hold we have on these entities, I've come to learn. I expect any serious UFOlogist, to be exploring these avenue's...

Pets R us.. I have a new found interest in your evocation experiences, could I tempt you into creating a thread for us?

Z, I believe in the Fae, but I really, really want to believe in dragons..
Could I find one today?

[zorgon]

Z, I believe in the Fae, but I really, really want to believe in dragons..
Could I find one today?

Reply here
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8260.msg113700#msg113700

[RUSSO]

Yes, but she apparently did get the timetable right.

That is what makes her statements weirdly intriguing. Apparently she did.

[Pimander]

John Alexander was getting angry at Charles for saying to much...

If the anger was regarding Rendlesham, the question surely has to be: Was Alexander angry because the cover up was of a military accident or was there really something "alien" at Rendlesham.  Don't forget, RAF Woodbridge was the largest nuclear weapons storage facility in Europe (outside Russia) even if that is meant to be a secret.

So were aliens interested in nukes or were the military using the aliens cover after an accident where secrecy is paramount?  Or were they testing the security at an important nuclear site?  If they were testing security then I say the security was poor as we know the event happened.

but it was more like a correographed show than a real spat... As John left the podium he did through [sic] out one comment (Most people missed it  even George. As he was getting off the stage he said "BTW, we track them on satellite"

The games people play.


ETA:  Some of the most convincing anecdotal evidence of possible ET activity that I have seen came from a former NORAD employee.  As you know they monitor all orbiting objects on behalf of both the military and NASA.  According to this guy (I would have to access my old hard drive to find the details) there have been "objects" (for which there is a secret code word) exhibiting "possibly" beyond human capabilities) tracked entering Earth's atmosphere from space that behave like they may be potentially intelligently controlled.  Apparently "we" don't have a clue who or what they might be therefore it is a military secret (never let the enemy know the limitations of your capability).  I found the evidence convincing because the guy seemed to have real knowledge of working inside the mountain where NORAD operate from but it could be lies.  It seems likely to be true but don't ask me why, as I can't say!

Don't forget the "Wow Signal" from SETIs Big Ear.  Never adequately explained but unfortunately not repeated either to my knowledge.  Could that have been a signal from one of these objects?  Or a secret military satellite more likely?  Foolish idea Jim?  Or am I thinking along the right lines in your view?