Roswell's Unanswered UFO Questions.

[A51Watcher]

astro -

Loretta Proctor:

"The piece he brought looked like a kind of tan, light-brown plastic...it was very lightweight, like balsa wood. It wasn't a large piece, maybe about four inches long, maybe just larger than a pencil." "We cut on it with a knife and would hold a match on it, and it wouldn't burn. We knew it wasn't wood. It was smooth like plastic, it didn't have real sharp corners, kind of like a dowel stick. Kind of dark tan. It didn't have any grain...just smooth."

[ArMaP]

Loretta Proctor:

"The piece he brought looked like a kind of tan, light-brown plastic...it was very lightweight, like balsa wood. It wasn't a large piece, maybe about four inches long, maybe just larger than a pencil." "We cut on it with a knife and would hold a match on it, and it wouldn't burn. We knew it wasn't wood. It was smooth like plastic, it didn't have real sharp corners, kind of like a dowel stick. Kind of dark tan. It didn't have any grain...just smooth."

Does the underlined text mean that they could cut it?

[A51Watcher]

1.  WOOD-LIKE TAN STICKS

Loretta Proctor:  Neighbor of rancher Mack Brazel; hard, uncuttable, unburnable balsa woodlike dowel.

"Nowadays we would call it plastic, but back then we didn't have any idea." 

eta:

According to Loretta, it was a small pencil shaped stick and, "I would say it was kind of brownish tan but you know that's been quite a long time. It looked like plastic, of course there wasn't plastic then but was kind of what it looked like" (Randle and Schmitt , UFO 148).

This "dowel stick" as she referred to it was very difficult to damage. According to Randle and Schmitt, Loretta describes Mac and her husband trying to mark it: "Floyd tried to whittle on it with his knife but couldn't make a mark. Brazel held a match up to it to show that not only wouldn't it burn, it wouldn't even blacken" (Randle and Schmitt , Truth 32).

[ArMaP]

Thanks, A51Watcher, that's the quote I remembered, I got confused with your previous quote.

[Pimander]

It sounds like a hard ceramic to me.  Difficult to burn or cut.

[The Seeker]

It sounds like a hard ceramic to me.  Difficult to burn or cut.

I was the facilities and maintenance manager at a plastics recycling company for several years; I had two Vortec shredders that would annihilate 2" rebar like it was toothpicks, yet there are several plastic compounds that are nearly impossible to granulate even in the Vortec, ripping teeth out of the drum and locking up the machine; these same compounds have a very high melting point and tensile strength...

these materials were sent to us by several companies that were aerospace fabricators and the finished product returned to them under closed contract; I can see the piece Mac Braswell had as being plastic, but also would bet that it was not a material being produced in 1947 in the public domain...

seeker

[Pimander]

You could be right.  I said ceramic as most plastics bend and ceramics mostly don't.  If only Brazel kept a sample to show us.

[zorgon]

It sounds like a hard ceramic to me.  Difficult to burn or cut.

Once upon a tyme....

NASA wanted to stick a man into a tin can and launch him on a rocket.  The man said... I will do it but I want a WINDOW

So NASA found some plastic that was tough enough to make a window out of. There was a photo back in the day of a white Kitten sitting on a thin piece of this plastic with a raging Bunsen burner underneath... The Kitten did no feel a thing...

It was said that if you made a coffee cup of this plastic and put a hot coffee into a deep freezer, the coffee would till be hot 100 years later.

Now where did this amazing plastic suddenly appear from?

I cannot find the Kitten photo right now but there is another plastic that does the same thing. only it is light and flexible and has been nick named "solid smoke"

Same test as Kitteh but using a flower... seems too many people were worried Kitteh would get roasted

[SerpUkhovian]

The material would not happen to be Aerogel would it?


A product from our friend over at United Nuclear, or was it a product from Germany during WWII?

[ArMaP]

The material would not happen to be Aerogel would it?

Seeing that the image Zorgon posted is called Aerogelflower_filtered.jpg, I suppose it was.

A product from our friend over at United Nuclear, or was it a product from Germany during WWII?

According to the Wikipedia page from where that image came, it's older.

[astr0144]

On the 68th anniversary of the reported crash of an alien flying saucer in Roswell, New Mexico, nuclear physicist and UFO researcher Stanton Friedman tells Newsmax that he has no doubt that it really happened.

"There's no question that the real truth is that the United States Army Air Force recovered a crashed flying saucer, recovered alien bodies and has covered them up very successfully since that time," Friedman told Ed Berliner on "MidPoint" on Newsmax TV on Wednesday.

"It's one of the biggest stories of the millennium and it's not surprising. Many other important stories have been covered up for very long times [when there is] national security involved," he explained.

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"We don't want anybody else to learn what we learned from examination of the wreckage and the bodies. That gives us a top dog slot," he said. "Who knows how many others have crashed."

Friedman said that even though none of the evidence has been released, he believes that the government still has the artifacts.

"They'd be utterly ridiculous to destroy the bodies or the wreckage because you get new analytical testing capabilities as time goes on," he explained.

Friedman is the author of "Flying Saucers and Science: A Scientist Investigates the Mysteries of UFO's." 


http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/Stanton-Friedman-UFO-Roswell-crash/2015/07/08/id/654115/

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8460.msg116173#msg116173

[A51Watcher]

I would like to add a few Unanswered UFO Questions about Roswell myself -

- Why did Ramey's Chief of Staff Colonel Thomas J. DuBose (who is pictured with Ramey in two of the weather balloon photos) sign a sworn affidavit in 1990 attesting to switching the balloon wreckage for the genuine material? "It was a cover story . . . to get the press off of Ramey's back."

- Contrary to Ramey announcing to reporters the weather balloon explanation along with his cancellation of debris being flown to Wright Field in Dayton, Ohio, why did the FBI refute the General's claims in a telex which was sent at 6:17 p.m. CST the same day of the press conference on July 8? "...But that telephonic conversation between their office and [Wright Field] had not borne out this belief. Disc and balloon being transported to Wright Field by special plane for examination."

- Why did a special photo team from Washington, D.C., under the command of Col. Anton Hansen, arrive at Roswell to photograph the recovery and record the subsequent events? Against standard operating procedure, the 3rd Photo Lab at the Roswell base was never called in to photograph the crash site or the material.

- Why were two Secret Service agents by the names McCann and Devinnes dispatched from Washington to represent the president in Roswell during the incident?

- Why were there unknown doctors and nurses observed at the Roswell base hospital at the time of the incident as noted by nurse Rosemary McMannis?

- If the recovery was of nothing more unusual that a Mogul balloon, photographed in Ramey's office by the news media on July 8, why did the military, on July 9, tour the various news media in Roswell retrieving copies of Walter Haut's press release? If there was nothing to the story, why did the military search radio station KGFL, taking everything that related to the crash, including the documents that newsman Frank Joyce tried to hide?

- Why did the U.S. military, like a scene from a 1950's sci-fi movie, surround the Roswell Sheriff s Office just to retrieve a small box of debris that Brazel had left there days earlier?

- There was reportedly talk at the base during the recovery concerning "bodies" involved in the crash. Rumors circulated through the town of Roswell about one of the crew still alive. One day after the first press release, the Army and Navy, as reported by the Associated Press, moved to "Shut down the rumors." The Air Force now maintains that no such "talk" concerning bodies took place. Why?

- Secrecy oaths would not have been required for the recovery of a weather balloon, or any other conventional device, unless it was a highly classified subject. Why were the men involved taken into a conference room in groups of 10–12 and verbally sworn to protect the truth concerning what actually happened? Others at Roswell and Fort Worth were ordered not to discuss it, or ever bring it up again.

- Ed Reese, in charge of the now declassified Project Blue Book files at the National Archives, told us that he too was surprised that Roswell is not included in the Blue Book system with all other explained reports. Why is the most highly publicized UFO case of all time strangely absent?

- There are two, possibly three sites involved with the crash at Roswell. First is the debris field. Thirty miles to the southeast where the remains of the craft and crew were located is the second. A few miles to the northwest of the debris site was apparently a touchdown point of baked soil and fused sand which was first seen by Chaves County deputies and then by Lewis R. Rickett and Dr. Lincoln LaPaz. How is it possible that a balloon and array train could be responsible for sites such as these?

- Pieces of small wreckage Brazel's son Bill Jr. had managed to collect were confiscated by the military in 1949. Why was the military still monitoring the situation two years later? This was almost two years after Mogul had been declassified. Why were search teams still dispatched from the base at Roswell through the end of 1947, through 1948, and into 1949 to recover remaining debris at the sites specifically after heavy rainfalls as described by Major Charles McGee?

- If the Roswell device was nothing more than a weather balloon, why bring in LaPaz, a noted expert in the discovery and recovery of meteorites? LaPaz had worked on dozens of classified government projects, including the ultra-classified Manhattan Project. If it was nothing more unusual than a balloon, why would the Pentagon assign him to determine the speed and trajectory of the downed device two months after the crash?

- In 1952, Major Ellis Boldra, an engineer stationed at Roswell, discovered a one-foot-square section of debris locked in a safe in the engineering office. It displayed the same extraordinary characteristics described by 1947 witnesses including the memory capabilities. Why did Washington D.C. dispatch a special courier to retrieve the material immediately after news leaked out about its discovery in Roswell?

- At our request, retired Navy Seal officer Charles Mascovich submitted the names and documented series numbers of over two dozen military personnel stationed at Roswell in July 1947 to both the Defense Department and the Veteran's Administration for further confirmation of military service. The list included Charles E. Hanshaw, James W. Hundley, William J. Cardell, Lee J. Mulliner, Melvin E. Brown, Ernest O. Powell, Clyde M. Robertson, Cecil T. Yoakum, Harold T. Hastings, Edward M. Sager, and Donald E. Carroll. Why does neither the Defense Department nor the Veteran's Administration have records of any of these men when we can document that each served at the Roswell Army Air Field?

- If there was nothing to the Roswell case other than a misidentification of a weather balloon, why have witnesses, on their deathbeds, denied that? Melvin E. Brown spent the last four days of his life telling his family that it wasn't a weather balloon. Why was the dying archaeologist/geologist at St. Petersburg Hospital in Florida telling the nurses she had seen the bodies and then warning them about government reprisal? Roswell base Provost Marshal Edwin Easley, base Adjutant Patrick Saunders, and 393 Squadron pilot O.W. "Pappy" Henderson also gave deathbed testimony confirming the "flying saucer" crash and the recovery of bodies. And there are others more recent.

- The unusual qualities of the material described to date by two dozen known eyewitnesses are consistent in every detail. In appearance, tensile strength, apparent weightlessness, memory characteristics, uninterpretable symbology, fiber-optic and plastic-like, metallic composition, its physical make-up would be difficult to duplicate even by today's standards. Why do none of the first-hand witnesses describe common materials from a weather balloon? And more importantly, why were none of these individuals interviewed by the Air Force for their 1994 Roswell Report?

- In an unprecedented reaction by then Secretary of Defense Les Aspin, why did he refuse to respond to three separate letters of request for the release of the Roswell files from Congressman Steve Shiff of New Mexico in 1993? Why did Congressman Shiff also receive denials from the Air Force, the Pentagon, and the National Security Council for similar requests?

- And if Mogul was as highly classified as the Air Force maintains, which evidently led to the misidentification in Roswell, how is it that they invited the press to photograph this missing, top-secret balloon in Ramey's office and promote the publication of seven different pictures in practically every major newspaper throughout the country? And why would they blow the entire project (with pictures) in the Alamogordo News of July 10, 1947?

- Concerning the 1997 Air Force book titled Roswell Report—Case Closed that proposed the "crash dummy" explanation, given that the very earliest such tests took place six years after the 1947 incident, why didn't the Air Force consider that none of the first-hand witnesses to the bodies remained in the service or were still in New Mexico at the time of such crash-dummy tests?

- Each description of the bodies by the witnesses from Roswell is consistent. Interestingly, they do not resemble what have been commonly described by witnesses in reported UFO occupant cases as well as the alleged abduction accounts. This would tend to rule out contamination from such sources. And why were none of these witnesses ever interviewed by the Air Force for any of their recent reports?

- Why would the United States military resort to gross civil-rights violations, i.e., physical intimidation and death threats to such civilians as
Frankie Rowe,
Tommy Thomson,
Frank Joyce,
Judd Roberts,
Walt Whitmore Sr.,
Pete and Ruben Anaya,
John McBoyle, and
George Wilcox?

And why were their threats extended to even the witness's children to insure their silence about the recovery of simply a weather balloon? Project Mogul was declassified within two days of the reported balloon explanation on July 10, 1947; still the threats continued for years after the incident.

- And finally, why do retired members of the military today in 1999, years after the Air Force Project Mogul and Crash Dummy Reports, still refuse to break their oaths of secrecy concerning the Roswell incident?


Above questions from ufoevidence.org   

[Pimander]

At our request, retired Navy Seal officer Charles Mascovich submitted the names and documented series numbers of over two dozen military personnel stationed at Roswell in July 1947 to both the Defense Department and the Veteran's Administration for further confirmation of military service. The list included Charles E. Hanshaw, James W. Hundley, William J. Cardell, Lee J. Mulliner, Melvin E. Brown, Ernest O. Powell, Clyde M. Robertson, Cecil T. Yoakum, Harold T. Hastings, Edward M. Sager, and Donald E. Carroll. Why does neither the Defense Department nor the Veteran's Administration have records of any of these men when we can document that each served at the Roswell Army Air Field?

Special Operations?  They were real special ops personnel serving under a fake name.