BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST

[A51Watcher]

I think that I did miss this video...Very Interesting if that is from Dugway in MAY earlier this year !

Is that the same UFO Hunters that did the TV series do you know ?

If so, I cant recall if it was you who said that you new them or Shot in the Dark (Dan)!

At the moment I think little has been posted online about Dugway or potential UFO sightings in that area.

Those objects whatever they are...some maybe seemed like triangles and others seemed some sort of combined or may flying very close together in formation..

Nope different UFO hunters than the TV show.

Whatever they are, image processing shows that they display the same energy rings and gravity fields underneath as mine and Bob's footage, which no other craft or light exhibit.

Recall my footage of craft very close together pulsing.

[astr0144]

Again A 51....Thanks for confirming that those images were similar to yours and Bobs  video footage... good to know !

Just out of curiousity, if you look at the last article website that "Z" posted on Dugway....what some of the viewers who skywatched said about possible Radiation effects both to their cameras and them selves ..Seems rather a concern..

Also I don't know if you noted my comment on Jessie Ventures  Conspiracy Program on A51 about Holograms originating from Area 51...

I would like to see if we can eliminate the possibilities behind this being what maybe seen in all the video footages somehow...just to clear such other options.

Or it maybe that they do sometime use this to create images of UFOs as well as have their own... They MAY need the real thing to make projections of them...even if recorded..

what is said at the 24 to 25 minute mark about Hologram projections...

UUFOH REPORT <------
UUFOH Skywatch, UTTR -Dugway Proving Grounds Area
Friday -Saturday 6/11-6/12 -2004

Photo/Video Results - Health concerns
Below are comments from UUFOH Team members and associates that will remain anomynous:

> I have more weirdness to come about the last skywatch.
I was wondering about how your pictures turned out from the skywatch.  Most of my video and pictures are garbage, do you have the same problem?  And, how's your health.  We were exposed to some nasty radiation and I'm wondering if your OK.

> I had some problems with the development of the pictures. I asked about the problems with the clerk and she thought that I had been exposed to x-rays.  Have you, or anyone else, had any problems with your pictures?

> At first I thought the green lights were caused by a developing problem.  But since they're not on all of the pictures they have to be something that occurred at the time.  I asked the clerk about the problem and she thought it was caused by radiation!  How's your health?  Besides the nighttime sunburn I got, I've been feeling crappy all week. Let me know what's happening.  Talk to you later.....

> I got absolutely nothing on video.  Just black nothingness. and my 35mm pics didn't show anything either,..........

> .....just wondering if you started having any allergy symptoms after Friday. It may just be a coincidence, but I am getting clobbered by allergies starting Sunday.

> the 'Dugway Lights'. rumoured code words from Predator to Pegasus keep popping up. ... a smaller ground version ....When aimed and focused into a large hostile crowd and fired, the resulting effect is an immediate immobilization of the crowd. Of course, the case study's have not concluded if any after effect's or injuries remain to those in the crowd. ......cannot see how this weapon can be used without causing some sort of blindness due to the intense light that you may have witnessed.

> No I haven't noticed anything other than the minor sunburn.

Other effects around the Wendover area !

We also noticed:
- the smell of ozone and a strange burning like smell.
- a fog bank out of nowhere, that flooded the area,
- a large mil. plane possibly recording or witnessing the test. (plus other UMO's or UFO's)
- Two way radio failure, problems
- that the light produced was at least two times brighter than Wendover (visible). and would have been easily seen by anyone (hundreds) traveling on I-80 -during that time ( Friday night- Wendover. (also visible)
- possible and most likely camouflaged surveillance (security patrol) in area.
- bombing? heard in the morning but not seen.
- possibly a minor sunburn? (noticed the next morning by three members)
- various allergy symptoms
- extreme tiredness and lack of energy for a few days
- some members fell ill / sick for a few days
- some 35mm photo negatives/ film showed strange green lines or marks, on numerous pics.
  The Photo processor said it might possibly have been caused by radiation or x-rays.

WOW! Impressive power display! Never seen anything like it. but was concerned a bit about the amount of power displayed and our safety of being exposed to it. Were we in any rad exposure or health danger? other?

Whatever they are, image processing shows that they display the same energy rings and gravity fields underneath as mine and Bob's footage, which no other craft or light exhibit.

Recall my footage of craft very close together pulsing.

[astr0144]

After a quick initial browse,  As potentially Interesting as this website appears..and it maybe one of the best that I have come across with ref to Dugway...

I Hope to try to study this in some detail when I can..

Much of the images were taken between 2001 to 2004..
So far I do not see any recent images..

Also several links do not seem to be working, such as the Maps / photos on the right hand side etc.

PHOTOS

UTTR Restricted Airspace Map

MAP - DUGWAY Proving Grounds

AERIAL VIEW of DOG AREA

PHOTO OF DUGWAY

DUGWAY ACCESS ROAD

http://www.aliendave.com/UUFOH_DugwayProvingGrounds.html


Some Interesting Comments that I came across with ref to Corporations being claimed to be working with ETs..

Corporations that are currently assisting the various alien groups and the "black government" are:
Standard Oil, Lockheed, Northrop, McDonald-Douglas, AT&T, IT&T, the A. Matthews Construction company, the Robbins Company, the Utah Mining Company, and a host of others.
By: Shadow UFO'S, The Greys And The Secret Government

http://www.aliendave.com/UUFOH_AlienBases.html

another article of interest..

I wonder who the dare devil mysterious intruder was who was snooping around and remained evasive when searched for after initially being detected. I can only imagine Some sort of James Bond or Special Forces / SAS /Seal type character.

GROUND ZERO - DUGWAY
THE DESERT,
             THE DEPOT,
                         THE DANGER

By Alien Dave
The Utah UFO Hunters 2002

CHEMICAL DETECTORS -- Galore.....
as we traveled south out of Tooele and into Utah's west desert.
  An hour before we had decided to head out to Dugway or the nearby Area, to get some good shots for a TV pilot Clyde and crew is currently working on.   
  Clyde contacted me, (Alien Dave)  interested in hanging out while he was in Salt Lake City. Do an interveiw and get the low down on current UFO activity, hotspots, and UFO Footage. set up some contacts, hang out, etc..

So here we were, heading out to one of the Scariest Places on Earth. an area called the New AREA 51  - Clyde, his crew, me, a mini van, recording equipment, and a determined attitude.
 
The Air grew thick and the Chem detectors were abundant, as we moved in on the Deseret Chemical Depot, where they destroy chemical nerve agents and bio weapons.
  A week before a mysterious intruder was spotted on the Depot grounds, dressed in all black. The Depot security, troops, dogs, FBI, and even a state police helicopter with thermal imaging cameras, (FLUR) couldn't find the intruder. Sounds real funny to me. In my eyes there is no excuse for not finding the intruder, in this rual, desolate area, with so many involved.
This event still has no explanation.
  We stopped and got out at the entrance to the Depot, streched, got into position and shot a take, (which was the only one Clyde's crew got in at this location.)
  As we approched the fence and walked onto the road, we noticed a Humvee coming down the road. Someone said "here comes security"


The Humvee slowed and stopped in front of the van. We nervously walked back towards them. The well armed military vehicle alone was enough deterant to humble us and make us uneasy about being there . We were told to leave imediately. We agreed. As we were doing so, the heavily armed Humvee and its military passengers left, a few minutes later, here comes a couple white SUVs. From Wackenhut? The white security SUVs did a blocking manuvere in back of us. keeping us there until ? We confronted one of them, he didn't say much, nor did his backup which was now out of his vehicle, and showing off his weapon, drawn, by his side, after a few minutes it was holstered, but a nervous hand was polishing the handle.
  We told them the military troops in the Humvee was more than enough deterrant to make us leave. We got the hint, we are leaving. One of the jeeps moved to make way for us to leave.We quickly got into the van and got the hell out of there! Before the "Wackenhut" gaurds got personal and performed a full body cavity search.
Whew! ...   we got out of there without being the next chemical test guniea pig,
or Desert "Deliverance" victims.


The Entrance Sign at Deseret Chemical Depot

  Even though we were still on BLM property, and had every right to be there, we were glad to get out of there without incident, or further harassment. A few days before, a Intruder scare at the Depot has the security hightened and on edge.
Without a believable answer to exactly what happened out there regarding the mysterious intruder, dressed in black, disappearing without a trace, some of us have come with possible scenarios, and theories, such as a possible MIB? non-human envolvement? or other? but thats another story.
  see the Dugway The NEW AREA 51 page for links to articles on this story.

  We headed towards Dugway and pulled off on a side road that had some great shots of the bunkers and barracks.
Clyde was finally able to get some video pieces done and not be harrassed by "Security"
  On a rual desert backroad, with a Secret Base in the backround, Clyde did his thing. the way he does, with style, and a dark overtone.
  After the hostile Dugway Encounter, we headed for a location were I had taken daylight footage of a UFO in 98. We did a little shoot there before we lost the light to the night.
We headed back to the studio, and bullpoop'd for a while. Going over what had happened out at Dugway, the strangeness, and almost deadly events that unfolded, before calling it a night.

   Clyde continued his quest for cool and possibly dangerous paranormal locations over the weekend. Getting up to date on Utah's UFO activity. Hooking up with Alan Meyer a local Paranormal Investigator, and doing an interview with him, As well as the Paranormal and Ghost activity, with the Utah Ghost Hunters Society.
  It was Great hanging out with Clyde, Meeting the man behind the smooth voice. Doing some paranormal recon, and Ground Zero'ing Dugway. I'm honored that Clyde contacted me for an interview, and spent some time with me while he was in Salt Lake. I hope We get to do it again sometime ...............but...

"Next time Clyde,
were heading out to a really scary spot !"

http://www.aliendave.com/Article_Clyde_Dave_Depot.html

[astr0144]

Map of the Wendover Dugway area near Salt Lake City.

[A51Watcher]

Again A 51....Thanks for confirming that those images were similar to yours and Bobs  video footage... good to know !

Just out of curiousity, if you look at the last article website that "Z" posted on Dugway....what some of the viewers who skywatched said about possible Radiation effects both to their cameras and them selves ..Seems rather a concern..

Yeah in hindsight it was a concern for me, considering how close they got on 2 occasions that night, when they landed and when they flew overhead.

Also I don't know if you noted my comment on Jessie Ventures  Conspiracy Program on A51 about Holograms originating from Area 51...

I would like to see if we can eliminate the possibilities behind this being what maybe seen in all the video footages somehow...just to clear such other options.

Or it maybe that they do sometime use this to create images of UFOs as well as have their own... They MAY need the real thing to make projections of them...even if recorded..

what is said at the 24 to 25 minute mark about Hologram projections...

Any projection from A51 would have the problem of a hill in the way (look again at the map I provided of the testing area) and also Joshua trees and Cactus in the area interrupting the beam.

Also not only do you have to project an image (photons), you have to stop the image (photons) at a desired location.

And then move the stop location around?

I viewed the craft in front of me and behind me and overhead.

No projection beam seen or image interrupted.

Too many problems with moveable open air projections in the desert to account for viewers from any angle at any distance.

Armap explained some of the problems earlier.


Image processing of my footage also correctly detected when they were landed on the desert.

[astr0144]

If these were the same type of Craft seen at Dugway that you and Bob etc have seen close up (or in Bobs case worked on and been inside one...then if his story is 100% truth) as well as him witnessing them at S4, closer up than he would have, when showing his associates John, Gene etc from further away at Area 51..

I wonder what Bob was aware of in terms of any Radiation effects ?

If you are still able to contact him, I would really like to know his answers to that !

I suspect the radiation effects would be only when its being flown and the reactor is in operation with the E115 element sample.

One thing that surprised me.... is that they operated the Saucers from an area that  they could be seen from a public Highway or even flew them directly  over the 375 HW..

Papoose Lake is WELL over the Main Mountain ridge and beyond another mountain range at the back of Groom Lake that you can see from Area 51 375 HW or Groom Lake Rd area..

I realise that Papoose Lake is NOT as big an area as Groom.or what you may call the Arena Amphi theater area between the Tikaboo Valley along the HW375 as far over as Bald Mountain or maybe further towards Rachel...along that part of HW 375 upto the top of the Road as far as one can see along that stretch.

Generally back then, the area was probably overall less known or visited after the 1st year that the Bob Lazar story came out.

But that Road is used by Vehicles and Lorries I would have thought even at Night..

The other issue that I have is certain workers who were at Area 51 deny ever knowing anything about such Craft... yet they were flying the Saucers over the Groom Lake area....NOT keeping it well away behind the Papoose Mountain range...

Even on the Night Shift there would be quite a lot of Staff working at the Groom Lake part of Area 51..

That sort of frustrates me... that many Area 51 workers claimed not to be aware of the Saucer test Flights.

Yeah in hindsight it was a concern for me, considering how close they got on 2 occasions that night, when they landed and when they flew overhead.

In relation to Holograms..

I dont claim to know that much about them..

But recently China has admitted to having developed 3D Holgram technology.

They say Technology at Area 51 is 50 years or more ahead of what we know...

In the Overall situation...IF they could create a Hologram of a Flying Saucer... over all it maybe what we would see above when it flies thru the air..

If it did appear to land in the desert within or behind  Cactus/ Joshua trees..

Depending How close one was to it when it landed..IF you were very Close up....ie within what we may interpret as an acceptable distance..be it 100 metres or 1 KM...

Then I would see your point..

but otherwise..

I would have thought that one would need to be higher up to tell
what the visual effects may be when witnessing it..

I say this as I have seen the terrain around that area and I know some of those trees in certain higher parts can seem quite dense and would block the view out when the craft landed..

so unless it did land quite close to the observer... I am not convinced that one could make any real judgement on if what one was witnessing or had prior witnesses as it appeared to be landing.. as to if it was a real object or Part of the Hologram projection.

Then even if one was Higher up on some higher ground... if it was quite far away on landing.. maybe a mile away or more.... I still doubt it would be possible to tell the difference..

What I do NOT Know however is Just how they may project such a hologram....and maybe based on what has been mentioned before... in theory as we had discussed before..(with ArMaP). it it did not seem possible, based on the technology we were presently aware about..

Could they some how project it from something ABOVE like a Satellite or from Bald Mountain High up...

That Maybe a possibility...

But it is still something that I would like to try to eliminate..which may require certain Scientists or engineers to try to explain..and I am not sure how one finds such persons or gets them to discuss such things..

But Generally I do agree this seems generally a less likely situation.. and I maybe trying to be consider too much of an alternative to the reality of what you witnessed.

I was NOT trying to doubt what you claimed to witness but maybe considering another possibility if it was Not a real UFO that may explain it..and knowing that it has been suggested that such technology was being used and applied at Area 51 as stated in the Ventura Video..that is actual recorded  spoken suggestions by some more known or claimed expert ....& maybe some who may view that as some sort of possible evidence it may really exist..

Any projection from A51 would have the problem of a hill in the way (look again at the map I provided of the testing area) and also Joshua trees and Cactus in the area interrupting the beam.

Also not only do you have to project an image (photons), you have to stop the image (photons) at a desired location.

And then move the stop location around?

I viewed the craft in front of me and behind me and overhead.

No projection beam seen or image interrupted.

Too many problems with moveable open air projections in the desert to account for viewers from any angle at any distance.

Armap explained some of the problems earlier.

[A51Watcher]

...One thing that surprised me.... is that they operated the Saucers from an area that  they could be seen from a public Highway or even flew them directly  over the 375 HW..

Yeah it surprised me too! I thought they would stay on their side of the border and test, and we would get to watch from afar.

The best reason I have been able to come up with, is that in case something goes wrong while test flying one of these craft and it slams into the ground or explodes in the air, the explosion does not vaporize the S4 base and it's irreplaceable contents. 

So go outside the fence and play kids.

While possibly being too close to a radiation field is one concern, I also have concerns about being subjected to a time/space distortion field.

The other issue that I have is certain workers who were at Area 51 deny ever knowing anything about such Craft... yet they were flying the Saucers over the Groom Lake area....NOT keeping it well away behind the Papoose Mountain range...

Even on the Night Shift there would be quite a lot of Staff working at the Groom Lake part of Area 51..

That sort of frustrates me... that many Area 51 workers claimed not to be aware of the Saucer test Flights.

Nah. Why would they be aware? Even if they saw something unusual they would know better than to ask about it.

Personally I doubt they spend much time star gazing out there.

Lot of classified craft take off from and land there.

I'll tell you one thing though... the cammo dudes around the perimeter know EXACTLY what's going on. How could they NOT??

In relation to Holograms..

I dont claim to know that much about them..

But recently China has admitted to having developed 3D Holgram technology.

They say Technology at Area 51 is 50 years or more ahead of what we know...

In the Overall situation...IF they could create a Hologram of a Flying Saucer... over all it maybe what we would see above when it flies thru the air..

If it did appear to land in the desert within or behind  Cactus/ Joshua trees..

Depending How close one was to it when it landed..IF you were very Close up....ie within what we may interpret as an acceptable distance..be it 100 metres or 1 KM...

Then I would see your point..

but otherwise..

I would have thought that one would need to be higher up to tell
what the visual effects may be when witnessing it..

I say this as I have seen the terrain around that area and I know some of those trees in certain higher parts can seem quite dense and would block the view out when the craft landed..

so unless it did land quite close to the observer... I am not convinced that one could make any real judgement on if what one was witnessing or had prior witnesses as it appeared to be landing.. as to if it was a real object or Part of the Hologram projection.

Then even if one was Higher up on some higher ground... if it was quite far away on landing.. maybe a mile away or more.... I still doubt it would be possible to tell the difference..

What I do NOT Know however is Just how they may project such a hologram....and maybe based on what has been mentioned before... in theory as we had discussed before..(with ArMaP). it it did not seem possible, based on the technology we were presently aware about..

Could they some how project it from something ABOVE like a Satellite or from Bald Mountain High up...

That Maybe a possibility...

But it is still something that I would like to try to eliminate..which may require certain Scientists or engineers to try to explain..and I am not sure how one finds such persons or gets them to discuss such things..

But Generally I do agree this seems generally a less likely situation.. and I maybe trying to be consider too much of an alternative to the reality of what you witnessed.

Yeah do some searches and read up a bit on the tech behind holograms to see what the limitations are.

Projecting a beam is not really a problem.

How to stop that beam for viewing is the problem.

How to avoid your beam being deflected by local vegetation like Cactus and Joshua trees while on the ground is another problem.


Another problem for this theory is the shadows cast by the craft when they get very bright.

Shadows from the trees and vegetation fall in 360 degree angles all the way around the craft, showing the craft to be the center of the light source.

The shadows change in length and direction reacting to the position of the craft.

Kind of like having stadium lights on a trailer, except this light shines 360 degrees all at once instead of one direction.

And pointing the projector in my direction and moving it around would give away it's location.


Aside from the tech involved, why would they put on a show when no one was watching? I first spotted the show miles away, from the first S curve east of mailbox road, and during my entire journey up and down 375 that night no one else was around except hidden cammo dudes way outside the official boundaries.

The motive and physics don't add up in my book.

Also recall that advanced image analysis has discovered the exact point when these craft landed, as shown by reflected light on the ground.   

[astr0144]

Its rather a thought raising point...

They initially would have took off from Papoose Lake bed base..Either go around or across the Papoose Range Mountains, then either across Groom...and over the mountain ridge that led to the 375 HW...or maybe they could have flown then to the South and into the Tickaboo Valley... then upto the Area where you witnessed them from.  To the South there are other large  Dry Lake beds that can lead to the Tikaboo valley.. that generally would have made them much harder to be seen both by anyone who may have been in the Area 51 building or close to Groom Lake... BUT you may be right.. At Night it maybe few Staff would be able to venture outside anyway or they would be too far away to tell what the objects were if they did fly closer by over Groom..
Generally also the Staff levels would be much less on the night shift....and maybe back then overall the staff levels were less than today..

They also may even be able to fly to areas so fast or just seem to appear at locations totally undetected..from some of the comments that you had previously suggested..

They could also detect when or if any Lorry's or vehicles would be approaching the area..At Night generally it is much less.

I once approached Area 51 from the Tonapah Northern side very late on between 2 to 5 am after I had been to Death Valley and decided to drive all the way late on to Area 51 via the Northern approach..a very long Drive late thru out the night. on my last 2 days of one of my USA trips a few years ago....and I don't think I saw anything pass by even by when Id reached Rachel...(That at that time was very quite and no INN was open)..

Depending how HIGH they generally would want to fly them..however... they would have severe areas all over the NTS range that they could have flown them completely out of site.

That is something else to consider other than radiation 

"The Space time distortion effects."      

Have you ever managed to discuss this with anyone in more detail ? or with Bob !

Very Thought provoking 

Can I ask do you care to share  any thoughts on what the effects may have been for that ?

How it may have effected you if it was to have occurred !

Now that maybe getting very deep !...

Yeah it surprised me too! I thought they would stay on their side of the border and test, and we would get to watch from afar.

The best reason I have been able to come up with, is that in case something goes wrong while test flying one of these craft and it slams into the ground or explodes in the air, the explosion does not vaporize the S4 base and it's irreplaceable contents. 

So go outside the fence and play kids.

While possibly being too close to a radiation field is one concern, I also have concerns about being subjected to a time/space distortion field.

When you witnessed the 3 Saucer Crafts land..

How far away from them would you estimate ?

maybe between 1/2 to 1 KM away or More ?

Can you also remind me How Long you would estimate that you were able to observe the Saucers for ?

An hour or more ? upto 3 hrs ?

When you visited did you come from the Las Vegas Area ? or from the Northern approach on the 375 HW ?

If from the L.Vegas approach side... could you notice anything when you first arrive at the high point on the 375 HW (closer to Tikaboo Mtn) ?

I say this as you do get a great view across the valley...and can see the Mail Box and Groom Lake Road areas in a way like being in a lower flying aircraft..

I would have thought that if the Saucers were flying early on when you arrived that it would have been also a good vantage point to get an good overall wide range view of what the craft were doing..
That is IF you were able to realise what they were when 1st arriving....as maybe it took some time to really catch on what was happening I could imagine..

What height ranges would you estimate that the craft were during the time you viewed them

and to

What distances would you say that you witnessed in terms of what was the furthest point that you saw them go to... around that area ?

North, South, West  ?

Did you see them go as far North as Coyote Summit.. that is towards the Rachel approach on the HW375..

or South Down Tikaboo Valley towards Mt Charleston ?

I assume that they didnt go any further east past the 375 HW..




Did you see them go to say the Mountain Range at the West of G.L RD or Mail Box Rd ? or maybe even go down to the south of the Tikaboo Valley ?

but did they go back towards either Bald Mountain or the western mountain ridges down the tracks or down towards Groom Lake down  Groom lake Rd

Was they just to the side of Groom lake Rd ,in the bush or maybe a more open area would you say or more in the middle of a larger area ?

Also to which side of it ...North or South Side ?

and was this closer to the HW 375 or towards mountain ridges / 13 mile entrance down that Rd  to the Western.. or about half way between the two ?

What you say about the light effects and shadows seems very interesting..and if I visualise it correctly.. it .have been something un witnessed before for anything else  one could think of in terms of human design crafts.

I should imagine it was really a weird experience...

If I recall you said the lights on the Saucer at time could be  or were sun light or Nuclear Flash like intensity...

but to see a 360 cast shadow effect on this on say a hovering craft closer to when landing or flying over does seem impressive..

Its a shame that you were not able to video some real closer ups of those effects if that would have been possible.

How to avoid your beam being deflected by local vegetation like Cactus and Joshua trees while on the ground is another problem.

Another problem for this theory is the shadows cast by the craft when they get very bright.

Shadows from the trees and vegetation fall in 360 degree angles all the way around the craft, showing the craft to be the center of the light source.

The shadows change in length and direction reacting to the position of the craft.

Kind of like having stadium lights on a trailer, except this light shines 360 degrees all at once instead of one direction.

And pointing the projector in my direction and moving it around would give away it's location.

One wonders how many may have talked about such things at some time..or will they..

Are they that highly selected and paid to keep Silent ?

Are that that elusive... I do not really know who or how these guys are in terms of being Selected...I dont think that they are classed as say Special Forces level who generally may remain the silent types based upon signing a Non Disclousure contract.

Then there is the Ranchers... Steve Medlin or others plus their staff / work force.., What may they know ?

The Medlin Ranch is right close to where you witnessed your sightings...I took a visit when I was in the area...it seems hidden from a far of the 375 HW... but can be well seen from Tikaboo..

I'll tell you one thing though... the cammo dudes around the perimeter know EXACTLY what's going on. How could they NOT??

[astr0144]

I once approached Area 51 from the Tonapah Northern side very late on between 2 to 5 am after I had been to Death Valley and decided to drive all the way late on to Area 51 via the Northern approach..a very long Drive late thru out the night. on my last 2 days of one of my USA trips a few years ago....and I don't think I saw anything pass by even by when Id reached Rachel...(That at that time was very quiet and no L .A INN was open on Arrival to get some early Breakfast  )..

I stayed there to Sunrise then moved on to take a look at the Main Viewing area on the 375 HW where you could see Groom lake Rd and the mailbox etc.  That was my 1st ever visit but I was on my way back to catch my Flight back in vegas a few hour later from that point.  I just wanted to try to fit in a quick trip to see the Full 375 Hw before heading home.

The Light effects that Morning when I first set eyes on that valley were absolutely incredible...I have never seen Anything quite like it in terms of clarity and shadow effect on the Tikaboo Mtn range..

When I have visited since its never been the same effects.. It must have been the time of year I visited (Oct / Nov if I recall around 7 to 8 am) and how the Suns rays were hitting it  at that particular time.. as it showed an incredible combination of various mountain ridges on the Tikaboo Valley Mountains looking from the Northern stretch on the Area 51 zone from Coyote Summit point just after you get over the mountain pass from Rachel...

The Shadow casts of the Suns rays and contrasts of and the clarity of the Mountains were absolutely amazing !.

It really was like visiting Dreamland !

[astr0144]

This gives some images of the Areas discussed from the Northern and Southern approach of the 375 section of the Highway that is the main viewing points to section closest to Groom Lake and Area 51.


Looking from Coyote Summit..

which is from the 375 highway from the North of the Main Area 51 section of the Highway..which is on a straighter section of a few miles long.. until you hit the Southern end that takes you up to Hancock Summit where you eventually loose the view of the Valley.




The Approach from the South...Las Vegas to The HW 375 Area 51 section. from Hancock Summit.

before you start to decend..



where you start to descend.




View of Groom lake Road after coming down from Hancock Summit. Looking towards the West...

This I believe is more the area where the Saucers were viewed from.



The 13 mile Groom lake Road. towards the Groom Mountain ridge.
showing a cameo dude dust trial from one of the various side trails.




Similar Image to he one I described but without the same lighting effects of the morning sunrise hitting the back of the Tikaboo mountains.




Looking to the Tikaboo Mountains and Valley...

This is the first view you get of the main Area 51 375 HW if coming from the North side from Tonopah or  Rachel






Joshu tree and Cactus terrain around the Area.



looking more down the South to the  main Tikaboo Valley.




Maybe some less dense areas where the Saucers may have landed.




Mountains from the Mailbox.




An Idea of the terrain around Area 51...from above

[astr0144]

Distances between this section of the 375 Highway from Coyote Summit to Hancock Summit, Nevada is about 18 miles.

That surprised me it was as long as that !

but the area between Tikaboo Valley and Coyote Summit is quite a lot longer..

Northwest
Distance: 18.4 miles / 29.6 km
Type: Peak
Elev: 1708m / 5603ft

also see other distances between various nearby points in the area.

http://www.placebeam.com/?r=poi&l=37.43163&g=-115.38197&type=all&title=Hancock%20Summit%2C%20Nevada%2C%20United%20States


A reminder of how the terrain looks like between Tikaboo and Groom and Papoose Lake.

Tikaboo Valley is between the Peak and Freedom Ridge.

This gives an idea of some added length that could be between Coyote Summit and the Southern end of the Tikaboo Valley.

Over 30 Miles I would think..

Maybe the Saucers could fly South and  around the Tikaboo valley.

If they did not just fly direct over the Groom Lake and Ridges to the 375 highway..



South Valley  View from Tikaboo Peak



Map of the area..

http://rachel-nevada.com/tikaboo_valley_map.html

Another view of Groom Lake Rd Just after decending and coming from a bend in the road from Hancock Summit.

[zorgon]

That is one of Clyde Bundy's cows

Here is a typical Coyote Summit view of RED FLAG OPERATIONS

[zorgon]

Notice how BLUE our skies are out here and how EMPTY it is.. NO ONE around for hundreds of square miles

And on a very rare occasion we get some snow for a few weeks Not this year though Thanksgiving Day is usuallty the coldest day  and we are already hit 65F My roses are starting to bloom

[astr0144]

Yes it is quite amazing just how much land you can pass and see no one...

Is around Area 51 also likely to have similar weather conditions and temps as what Vegas has lately...

I  would had thought usually the weather and temp around there in December would have been winter conditions and cold.

In the UK we just had some of the Mildest days for many years for December...and yesterday was a very nice sunny day ! 

Conditions are already looking Spring like ..Also have some flowers blossoming...Whats going on ! 

What will AL Gore be saying I wonder 

Are are we in a new Astro Cycle creating milder climes ?

Notice how BLUE our skies are out here and how EMPTY it is.. NO ONE around for hundreds of square miles

And on a very rare occasion we get some snow for a few weeks Not this year though Thanksgiving Day is usuallty the coldest day  and we are already hit 65F My roses are starting to bloom.

Whats that Bundy Cow doing on Area 51s land    Has the ETs took it for a ride  their 

[zorgon]

Yes it is quite amazing just how much land you can pass and see no one...

Miles and miles and miles out here in Nevada Utah and Arizona. You will run into the odd hunter or ATVer but not that often

Is around Area 51 also likely to have similar weather conditions and temps as what Vegas has lately...

Yeah pretty much  The snow falls for a short time at the higher elevations  We had snow occasionaly in Las Vegas  Lasts a few days  Usually end of Nove is the coldest  by Feb its back in the 70's

I  would had thought usually the weather and temp around there in December would have been winter conditions and cold.

Too far south but My Charlston gets snow Its at 11,000 feet  So you can go sking in the morning and go boating on lake mead in the afternoon

In the UK we just had some of the Mildest days for many years for December...and yesterday was a very nice sunny day ! 

Yes same up the Western USA  unusually warm last winter and this one I already have roses blooming

Conditions are already looking Spring like ..Also have some flowers blossoming...Whats going on ! 

Global warming precurser to the next Ice Age

Whats that Bundy Cow doing on Area 51s land    Has the ETs took it for a ride  their 

Bundy Ranch (and Johns Mine) are close to Sandia Those coes roam far but that image may not have been at Area 51   Bundy's cows are the only free range cows left  BLM just rounded up the last Nevada Wild Mustangs at Cold Creek... Bloody TERRORISTS