a martian oddbox

[funbox]

I see it.

you see it ? its not odd to you ? that is odd

I think so.

yet its lighter than the middle distant sand,

Not necessarily.

then what physics is taking place ?

From what I have seen that kind of sand looks brighter when seen from above and darker when seen from a shallow angle

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but we're not above in this photo, we're on the ground, making comparatives to satellite photos is not an explanation of what optical/environmental physics is taking place in this photo

like when looking at it from some distance,

color recession and perspective washing is not going to be that noticeable from satellite photos

I have seen that on many Mars photos,

strange , this appears to be a new conversation about the environment with you

that's why I don't think it's unusual.

indeed

You can see it on this panorama I made with the photos from that camera and that sol.

nice Panarama

You can even see how the edges of the dunes look different from the rest.

artistic licence , or martian forces...

The way dunes are created change with the material with which they are created,

I don't understand

as the weight and size of the material changes the way the wind blows it

I don't understand that

and the way they fall,

that bit too

that's why there are so many types of dunes.

not quite seen ones like this before

great Panorama though

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[ArMaP]

then what physics is taking place ?

Optics.

but we're not above in this photo, we're on the ground, making comparatives to satellite photos is not an explanation of what optical/environmental physics is taking place in this photo

You can look at the ground beneath your feet, can't you? You are not on a satellite but you are seeing the ground from above.
What I meant (and didn't explain well) was that the angle of view from the camera to the ground close to the rover is closer to 90º than the angle of view from the camera to several metres away.

strange , this appears to be a new conversation about the environment with you

It could be new for you, it's not new to me, but I know myself for a long time.

nice Panarama

Thanks, they are easy to make with Microsoft's Image Composite Editor.

I don't understand

Different materials react to the wind in different ways, heavier materials are not as much affected as light materials, for example, more eroded, rounder, particles will behave in a way that is different from less eroded, sharper, particles, that will tend to lay as if they were shingles, in layers, while the rounder particles will tend to roll down the dune's sloping sides.

Maybe this PDF and this Wikipedia article will give you a better idea of what I'm trying to say-

[funbox]

Optics.
You can look at the ground beneath your feet, can't you? You are not on a satellite but you are seeing the ground from above.
What I meant (and didn't explain well) was that the angle of view from the camera to the ground close to the rover is closer to 90º than the angle of view from the camera to several metres away.
It could be new for you, it's not new to me, but I know myself for a long time.
Thanks, they are easy to make with Microsoft's Image Composite Editor.
Different materials react to the wind in different ways, heavier materials are not as much affected as light materials, for example, more eroded, rounder, particles will behave in a way that is different from less eroded, sharper, particles, that will tend to lay as if they were shingles, in layers, while the rounder particles will tend to roll down the dune's sloping sides.

Maybe this PDF and this Wikipedia article will give you a better idea of what I'm trying to say-

I don't see how we can proceed with an evaluation without wind speed and humidity data .. ive not checked for a while , but im almost 99.525% sure its not available

the records do not seem to be complete

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[funbox]

something fishy on the horizon , look like a rack of ribs to me , with a curious kraken-like'ophile just above

promise yet for the chowder industy



http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/01185/mcam/1185ML0053750010502720E01_DXXX.jpg

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[ArMaP]

I don't see how we can proceed with an evaluation without wind speed and humidity data .. ive not checked for a while , but im almost 99.525% sure its not available

You can get that data from this site.

They have data up to sol 1062, including humidity and wind speed. Here's a very small selection from the file I downloaded:

Code Select Expand

TIMESTAMP              491724944          491724945
BOOM1_BOARD1_B_LONG            0.3881             0.01757
BOOM1_BOARD1_B_TRANS          -0.3545             0.01518
BOOM1_AIR_TEMP               207.99             207.46
UV_A                           0.00               0.00
UV_B                           0.00               0.00
UV_C                           0.00               0.00
HUMIDITY_CHANNEL_A             5.31               5.3
HUMIDITY_CHANNEL_B             5.47               5.47
HUMIDITY_CHANNEL_C             5.94               5.95
BAROCAP_PRESSURE_1           UNK                881.71
BAROCAP_PRESSURE_2           879.30             879.32

[funbox]

interesting to see the humidity is around 5% far up in the north,

keep trying, one day perhaps

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[funbox]

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/proj/msl/redops/ods/surface/sol/01188/soas/rdr/ccam/CR0_502957687PRC_F0512004CCAM05187L1.PNG

"closed on Mondays" perhaps

"made in china" maybe ?

happenchance ?

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[rdunk]

Funbox, here is the link to all of the Rover Curiosity Sol 1188 Chem-Cam images, and includes this one that you posted. I believe what is depicted in these images are likely very very small (Chem-Cam is a "micro imager"). LOL, this is my 1st foray into the Chem-Cam stuff, but maybe at least we can now know what we might be looking at with this pic

For a little more detail information on Rover Curiosity's Chem-Cam : http://msl-chemcam.com/index.php?menu=inc&page_consult=textes&rubrique=64&sousrubrique=223&soussousrubrique=0&titre_url=ChemCam

Chem-Cam side show - this does show a few of the small drilled holes in the surface soil/rock:  http://msl-chemcam.com/slide/index.php?u=1&titre_url=Results%20-%20ChemCam%20-%20SlideShow

Sol 1188 images:  http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/?s=1188&camera=CHEMCAM%5F

[funbox]

Funbox, here is the link to all of the Rover Curiosity Sol 1188 Chem-Cam images, and includes this one that you posted. I believe what is depicted in these images are likely very very small (Chem-Cam is a "micro imager"). LOL, this is my 1st foray into the Chem-Cam stuff, but maybe at least we can now know what we might be looking at with this pic

For a little more detail information on Rover Curiosity's Chem-Cam : http://msl-chemcam.com/index.php?menu=inc&page_consult=textes&rubrique=64&sousrubrique=223&soussousrubrique=0&titre_url=ChemCam

Chem-Cam side show - this does show a few of the small drilled holes in the surface soil/rock:  http://msl-chemcam.com/slide/index.php?u=1&titre_url=Results%20-%20ChemCam%20-%20SlideShow

Sol 1188 images:  http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/?s=1188&camera=CHEMCAM%5F

so what do you think ?

them Chinese can be fastidiously accurate when it comes to engraving

was nasa importing parts from abroad ?

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[ArMaP]

That looks like a close-up of the "sundial", it has the word "Mars" written in different languages (and characters) all around.

(click for full size image)

[SerpUkhovian]

This:



is a picture of Vladimir Lenin:

[funbox]

This:



is a picture of Vladimir Lenin:

now that, is eyebrow-raisingly-uncanny , did pictures  get engraved  upon it too ArMaP ?

* a rather distorted mfb oozes into existence. drops some freshly squeezed gif juice*



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[ArMaP]

Pictures? Ignoring the logos and the US flag, I don't think so, only some writing.

President's Signature On Board Curiosity

'Curiosity,' Meet Clara

[funbox]

Pictures? Ignoring the logos and the US flag, I don't think so, only some writing.

President's Signature On Board Curiosity

'Curiosity,' Meet Clara

seems like everyone was trying to get in on the ego trip , was that Bush's sig ? cant quite make out the writing?> or is this just a way of Nasa engaging in funding fishing , presidents and kiddies , how very fitting.

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[Eighthman]

Can we get back to the 'ribs/giant clam' stuff?