we are doomed for sure

[space otter]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world/us_and_canada

Obama has enough support for Iran deal 


President Barack Obama addresses American University's School of International Service in Washington, District of Columbia, U.S., on Wednesday, Aug. 5, 2015

US President Barack Obama secures enough support in the US Senate to ensure that the Iran nuclear deal will go into effect.


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[WarToad]

I can't believe how this made sense to anyone.

[rdunk]

Stupid is as stupid does in this Iran "deal"/non-treaty - goes for the senate and congress too!!

But.............somehow much of this such-like has to happen, as precursor to the end-time as prophesied in my Christian book. For it to come out as planned, the United States cannot be the "Savior of Israel" against it's several enemy nations - It will be God and his Son that do it, and the whole World will know it was by the hand of God that Israel's enemies were destroyed!

[space otter]

WOW rdunk
knowing god did it  as we are done in by an iran nuke will be real comforting..
yep real comfort there

[zorgon]

WHY is everyone assuming IRAN will nuke someone?

Pakistan is far more radical and they have nuclear missiles  and have not used them yet

And there is THIS

Saudi Arabia dismisses reports of 'buying' nukes from Pakistan

Days after a report surfaced which claimed Saudi Arabia wanted to buy nuclear weapons from Pakistan, a defense official of the Kingdom  dismissed it as mere "speculation" on Tuesday, CNN reported.

The Sunday Times of London had published a report which claimed that Saudi Arabia had "taken the 'strategic decision' to acquire 'off-the-shelf' atomic weapons from Pakistan," citing unnamed American officials, in a bid to counter Iran after the recent nuclear deal it reached with the West.

A Saudi Defense Ministry official however said that such reports were not new. "I don't understand what the story is. This has been in the news for 18 years and will continue to be for the next 15 years."

"The ministry does not comment on rumors and speculation," the official added.

A US State Department official pointed out on Tuesday that Saudi Arabia was a signatory of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.

"It has committed never to acquire nuclear weapons, and to apply full international safeguards to all peaceful nuclear activities," the official said. "We attach great importance to Saudi Arabia's continued implementation of these commitments."

The Sunday Times had claimed that the Saudi move follows bankrolling much of the Pakistani nuclear program for three decades and amid concerns over a framework deal on Iran's nuclear program.

"We have consulted throughout the recent negotiations with our allies and partners around the world, including Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf countries, and will continue to do so as we move into the final weeks and months of these talks," the State Department official said Tuesday.

Besides the concern from some Arab nations that the agreement may instead allow Iran wriggle room to develop a working nuke, the deal has been met with fierce opposition from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

This article originally appeared on CNN

http://tribune.com.pk/story/889318/saudi-arabia-dismisses-reports-of-buying-nukes-from-pakistan/

[zorgon]

as prophesied in my Christian book.

"book"   

For it to come out as planned, the United States cannot be the "Savior of Israel" against it's several enemy nations - It will be God and his Son that do it, and the whole World will know it was by the hand of God that Israel's enemies were destroyed!

I seem to recall another case of nukes in your book That turning to salt and pillar of fire bit... oh and the nuking of Sodom and Gomorah

But if there really WAS a kind loving benevolent god... He would make all nukes none functional   After all nukes would pollute HIS creation for 100,000 years

Well I guess by your book God created Uranium and Plutonium in the first place for us to find and play with

[zorgon]

The thing about prophesy... when there is no specific date given, is that if you wait long enough SOMETHING will happen that you can point to and say  "See?  This was written...."

At least Caesar was given a specific date

[ArMaP]

WHY is everyone assuming IRAN will nuke someone?

Because most of those that call other people "sheeple" follow someone themselves and believe in almost everything they get from them. 

In this case I suppose we have those that hate anything related to Obama, those that think that Iran is evil, those that are grabbing all opportunities to find a confirmation that their god(s) exist and those that, seeing that nothing bad resulted (so far) from Jade Helm need to find another boogie-man to keep people busy.

[WarToad]

Jade Helm

LOL!  I forgot that was still going on, it's been so quiet.

My thoughts on the Iran deal revolve around the fact that the Imam's of Iran still call for wiping Israel from the map and lead crowds chanting "Death to America" - and we're making a deal with them?  Who'd a thunk?  I just doubt any honest intent on sticking to the deal on their part.

[rdunk]

WOW rdunk
knowing god did it  as we are done in by an iran nuke will be real comforting..
yep real comfort there

Space Otter, maybe I didn't make me comment quite clear - God will intervene before Israel is destroyed by its enemy nations, and its enemies will be decimated by however God chooses to act. From a "natural thinking" standpoint, it is pure stupidity to make a way for someone/some country (like Iran) to get nukes, while they continually threaten to destroy or take over much of the western world, and to also annihilate Israel.

But, in reality, whether Iran gets nukes or doesn't will make no difference on the final outcomes. In the meantime, several countries stand prepared with nuke capability to do much destruction around the world, if they decide to do that, on a whim or for reason!!

[ArMaP]

My thoughts on the Iran deal revolve around the fact that the Imam's of Iran still call for wiping Israel from the map and lead crowds chanting "Death to America" - and we're making a deal with them?

I'm one of those people that think that actions speak louder than words, and looking at the actions Iran has taken against other countries makes me think this Iran is being "painted" as worse than it really is.

[Ellirium113]

Well here's some more "stupid of the day" to digest:

Petraeus: Use Al Qaeda Fighters to Beat ISIS

To take down the so-called Islamic State in Syria, the influential former head of the CIA wants to co-opt jihadists from America's arch foe.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/31/petraeus-use-al-qaeda-fighters-to-beat-isis.html

[space otter]

most times I will just post something without MY OPINION  but here I jumped in right away and now I will spew more of my opinion...only for clarity of my words not to argue

In this case I suppose we have those that hate anything related to Obama, those that think that Iran is evil, those that are grabbing all opportunities to find a confirmation that their god(s) exist and those that, seeing that nothing bad resulted (so far) from Jade Helm need to find another boogie-man to keep people busy.

WHY is everyone assuming IRAN will nuke someone?

Space Otter, maybe I didn't make me comment quite clear - God will intervene before Israel is destroyed by its enemy nations, and its enemies will be decimated by however God chooses to act. From a "natural thinking" standpoint, it is pure stupidity to make a way for someone/some country (like Iran) to get nukes, while they continually threaten to destroy or take over much of the western world, and to also annihilate Israel.

ArMaP
I  am not looking for another boogie man to keep people busy..I feel letting them go nuclear is a big fat mistake –keep reading

Zorgon
do I believe that iran will immediately start threatening  to shoot nukes all over the place.
NO I do not
but with the volatile anger and hate in that area I feel it is only a matter of time before  one of those nations gets pissed and threatens the other and that we will of course get drawn in..
if it  was only a stand off situation then  it would be a moot point..but when you have groups run by religion that feels the only way to get along is convert or kill...            they will certainly rangle with each other and  all of us infeldels ..it only takes on to start it
then the mess goes boom
to me that means we are doomed...personal opinion...not a fake scare the stupids like jade helm

now Rdunk, your comment was quite clear and while I do not disrespect it I totally disagree with the preaching of it..

I have to let you in on something here..god  ( if we go with the unproven thought that he exists) has never had any of his words put into print B U T many men have felt they could be his mouthpiece and your book is just one of the results.
now if you are referring to Revelation or The Apocalypse  written by a man calling himself JOHN.. then we have a different discussion
as to the thought of JOHN WHO....was it the pissed off guy who was exiled ?..was it all about his way of looking at the church that tossed him?
or was it just another PR piece to scare the rabble into following the church or else scenario?




yeah it's wiki

The author names himself in the text as "John", but his precise identity remains a point of academic debate. Second century Christian writers such as Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Melito the bishop of Sardis, and Clement of Alexandria and the author of the Muratorian fragment identify John the Apostle as the "John" of Revelation.[1] Modern scholarship generally takes a different view,[2] and many consider that nothing can be known about the author except that he was a Christian prophet.[3] Some modern scholars characterise Revelation's author as a putative figure which they call "John of Patmos". The bulk of traditional sources date the book to the reign of the emperor Domitian (AD 81-96), and the evidence tends to confirm this.[4]

[ArMaP]

I  am not looking for another boogie man to keep people busy..I feel letting them go nuclear is a big fat mistake –keep reading

You may not be looking for it, but it looks like it found you.

And what do you mean by "letting them go nuclear"? The deal is not to allow them to build nuclear weapons.

but with the volatile anger and hate in that area I feel it is only a matter of time before  one of those nations gets pissed and threatens the other and that we will of course get drawn in..

Ignoring that the deal is not about nuclear weapons, that's why I talked about the actions taken by Iran against other countries, as they never (since the revolution) attacked another country.

if it  was only a stand off situation then  it would be a moot point..but when you have groups run by religion that feels the only way to get along is convert or kill...            they will certainly rangle with each other and  all of us infeldels ..it only takes on to start it
then the mess goes boom

What groups are you talking about? Groups inside Iran?

[space otter]

I don't feel that I have found any boogie man.. again I feel this is not good.. if my sentence WE ARE DOOMED
was too emotional for ya.. just over look it

what I mean by letting them go nuclear  was, I thought clear..sorry I will try to explain
no one believes that they will only use the nuclear energy for power.. I feel ( personal I) that it is only a matter of time before they claim to have a bomb or actually have one


other groups are division  among the muslims and nations of that area and stupid americans stick their damn nose into everything so ooooooooo

ya got any more questions ArMaP?...I'm beginning to think you like to type