Fake Moonlanding . Buzz Aldrin punches Bart Sibrel after being harassed by him

[astr0144]

Fake Moon Landing...

Buzz Aldrin punches Bart Sibrel after being harassed by him


If the Moon Landings were faked I am surprised that the Authorities would allow this to be shown on TV.

I am just watching a TV program on the Fake Moonlanding Conspiracy and was surprised when It showed a clip of this !

Has anyone been aware or ever seen it before ?




It also shows Bart Sibrel confronting several Astronauts including Buzz Aldrin who punched him and  Neil Armstrong and some others ! and asking them to swear on the bible that they really did or did not go to the moon...


This is another of his videos on the Moon Landings...I think its different to the TV Program that I have watched..

Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon?   2015



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_Sibrel

Jim Oberg is also in the TV Program talking about the Russians Space program and some of the things that the Cosmonauts got upto.


shown in the U.K...

Faking the Moon Landings: Conspiracy
Today on Channel 5 from 8:00pm to 9:00pm
Channel 5
Conspiracy - Series 1, Episode 10
Documentary series that puts the world's biggest conspiracy theories under the spotlight. Bart Sibrel and journalist Marcus Allen claim to have evidence that proves that the American moon landings in the late 1960s and 70s were faked. Gary McKinnon, who hacked into the Pentagon computers in 2002, claims that he found information about a secret US space fleet in orbit and powered by alien technology. Other theories surround supposed Soviet space-race cover-ups, including radio messages from the doomed secret Soviet space missions and and cosmonauts airbrushed from official photo

[zorgon]

Buzz punching Bart is old news   The fact that the others refuse to swear on the bible is noteworthy

Bart is an ass... going about it the wrong way...

But SOMETHING is not right about the Apollo Program

Like Roswell, Kennedy and 9/11  we may never know the truth

But John told us that they would find an excuse NOT to go back to the moon...

So far we have Obama cutting the budget for a new moon landing (and no Mars till 2025)  and NASA Orion Scientists saying:

[astr0144]

No I had never been aware before about Bart or him confronting various astronauts or Buzz Punching him.

It quite surprised me to see Buzz hit him..

As much as it was another program about the possibilities of a Fake Moonlanding..

One researcher who disagrees made a lot of valid points opposing the idea and its hard to disagree even though some of the evidence brought up may have suggested it had been faked.

How could so many persons and money be involved in such a huge project and not know if it was faked and keep it secret ?

If it was a fake to try to make out the USA being superior over Russia or the World... it was hard to believe they could go to such a massive task for that purpose..

But it is still a concern or mystery as to could they have overcome the van allen belt radiation that we are led to believe was impossible.

I had not fully realized that Jim Oberg had been a Nasa Mission Controller ..

I thought he had been in some other job at NASA.. as well as their UFO debunker 

Otherwise it must be an amazing honor to have him as a member ! almost like having an astronaut or top scientist !.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Oberg

But SOMETHING is not right about the Apollo Program

Like Roswell, Kennedy and 9/11  we may never know the truth

[zorgon]

How could so many persons and money be involved in such a huge project and not know if it was faked and keep it secret ?

How could so many men and money be involved  in building an atom bomb and keep that secret until we dropped them on Japan?

If it was a fake to try to make out the USA being superior over Russia or the World... it was hard to believe they could go to such a massive task for that purpose..

How MASSIVE would it need to be? All they needed was a movie stage (and they had that) and a field of craters (USGS blasted that for them)

You want to see how EASY it is to fake it? Watch the IMAX remake

I had not fully realized that Jim Oberg had been a Nasa Mission Controller ..

So he claims... but then he says Clark McClelland is a liar

I thought he had been in some other job at NASA.. as well as their UFO debunker 

Self imposed debunker   He claims NASA doesn't pay him to debunk

Otherwise it must be an amazing honor to have him as a member ! almost like having an astronaut or top scientist !.

What about the other real players? Like Russ Hamerlly Senior IT Department head at Boeing or LSWONE  used to work at Dryden in the black ops section?

[astr0144]

I would have thought that The thing with the Apollo or space program.. I thought that It was more in the open...and I would have thought had a lot more people involved and more money put into it compared with the A bomb project..

Just building the actual space craft and all the associated things associated with the Space program was a massive task and expense... like the main NASA Building at Cape Canaveral.
Then the Ground Control Centre..

I can see how all that creation / engineering could be done ...
with all the persons involved...

but then to have maybe some Powers that be who may have been aware it was not really possible.. then to do some sort of false construction to fake it all after all the work involved in actually creating real Space craft and the related things associated with it... Just makes it hard to believe that they would go to such a project...

Then there were numerous space craft built before the Apollo program that led to its evolvement... that must have cost a fortune.. as well as more people involved in it..

How could so many men and money be involved  in building an atom bomb and keep that secret until we dropped them on Japan?

I have seen LSWONE post but I am unsure about Russ Hamerlly..

You probably have had many a member of such caliber who many of us do not really know about..

I am still a newby compared to some of the members on here..or in PRCs past..

What about the other real players? Like Russ Hamerlly Senior IT Department head at Boeing or LSWONE  used to work at Dryden in the black ops section?

[SerpUkhovian]

How could so many men and money be involved  in building an atom bomb and keep that secret until we dropped them on Japan?

Because trusted employees like Klaus Fuchs could be relied upon to keep a secret?

[rdunk]

Because trusted employees like Klaus Fuchs could be relied upon to keep a secret?

Yes, I agree! There was a time in the past when the general population had a much greater sense of commitment to God and to country. So, when "sworn" to secrecy, the people would stand on their solemn commitment, and they would keep it secret. Today, the societies of the peoples in the United States of America are much different, with some/many feeling they have no God to which to answer, and little if any feeling of patriotism to their country.   

Of course, today most everything is in digital, and with sharp minds and very high-speed computers to do the work, there is probably no hack-proof security system. So, today, with the world-wide net, and enough time, searching hackers can find much of the secret stuff anyway. Just this week there were articles in the news about so much of the U.S. high-tech military hardware that had been copied through hacking by other countries, including China and Russia.

In the days of the atom bomb, true "spying" amounted to the "manual labor" of infiltration, with the hands-on stealing of drawings and documents, and sometimes supported by the direct use of film cameras. Today's "spying" is being done from anywhere on the Earth, through internet and satellite connections!   

[zorgon]

Back in the old days after WWII  the phrase "Loose Lips Sink Ships" was pretty much the order of the day.  Back then Americans had pride and supported their government.

If you were a conspiracy nut blowing the whistle you were very likely to get killed... and the average person would NOT want to listen to you and likely report you. Many researchers simply vanished in those days

So keeping a secret was easy... because it really was in the best interest of national security

But today with the ease of access to info and the number of people dissatisfied with the government, people like Ed Snowden who really know something, are leaking out the info.

So today the best way to keep a secret is to bury it in BULLSHIT People are easily swayed to believe the ludicrous and real truth is pushed aside as it doesn't fit what they have been conditioned to WANT to believe

So it begs the question... in this modern era of hackers and super computers in the hands of the average person...  WHY do we still not have the secret of the TRUTH of Aliens leaked out?

Maybe because.... it's all a lie

[rdunk]

Z said, "So it begs the question... in this modern era of hackers and super computers in the hands of the average person...  WHY do we still not have the secret of the TRUTH of Aliens leaked out?"
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Maybe it has leaked out, not in words, but by action or non-action. How else can one explain, that in modern times, and with available vast technical resources, the United States has chosen to not pursue/continue its exploration of the Moon with many boots on the ground?? The Moon is simply right there in our own front yard, so-to-speak!! Besides the wealth of knowledge there for us to learn about the Moon, just "doing it" will teach and train us in most all of the areas needed for our significant exploration of this Solar System, and beyond.

Our Moon is not fake, and whether the actual Moon landings were fake or not is now beside the point. We need to get on with a serious space exploration initiative, as the doing of it will yield huge benefits across the spectrums of our humanity, with new technology, with a lot of work for a lot of people, and with many different visions of opportunities for people of the world to be involved in so many different ways.

During the fairly obvious stagnation of the U.S. space program over many years, several other countries have likewise achieved a level of space exploration capability. So, our world is now better prepared to work toward exploring space, if there is a way to jointly come together for the development of agreed-to plans and objectives to "make it so"!! With most of these nations at some sort of serious odds with one another, this probably won't happen in many of our lifetimes, if ever!! 

 

[zorgon]

Maybe it has leaked out, not in words, but by action or non-action. How else can one explain, that in modern times, and with available vast technical resources, the United States has chosen to not pursue/continue its exploration of the Moon with many boots on the ground??

MAYBE it's because we really CAN'T get past the Van Allen Belt as NASA scientists say now

The Moon is simply right there in our own front yard, so-to-speak!! Besides the wealth of knowledge there for us to learn about the Moon, just "doing it" will teach and train us in most all of the areas needed for our significant exploration of this Solar System, and beyond.

The true WEALTH is in the trillions of tons of HE3 on the surface  enough to power the entire planet with a safe Fusion fuel for 10,000 years. I wonder how that would effect the OIL BARONS

Our Moon is not fake, and whether the actual Moon landings were fake or not is now beside the point. We need to get on with a serious space exploration initiative, as the doing of it will yield huge benefits across the spectrums of our humanity, with new technology, with a lot of work for a lot of people, and with many different visions of opportunities for people of the world to be involved in so many different ways.

The public has become so distrusting of anything the Government and NASA does they just won't support space exploration. This is why UMLR is not taking off. UMLR would have made MILLIONS in the Apollo era.

Yes it DOES matter whether it was fake or not because if it was fake, that means we cannot do it  Certainly today we cannot do it... the old engineers are gone, they left no records and the young ones are starting from scratch  NASA needs to bum a ride on Russian ships to even get to the ISS

[zorgon]

During the fairly obvious stagnation of the U.S. space program over many years, several other countries have likewise achieved a level of space exploration capability. So, our world is now better prepared to work toward exploring space, if there is a way to jointly come together for the development of agreed-to plans and objectives to "make it so"!! With most of these nations at some sort of serious odds with one another, this probably won't happen in many of our lifetimes, if ever!! 

Problem is the other countries are doing no better. China is FAKING most of it's missions  and obviously so... even the non conspiracy peeps are catching them at it.  Russia is planning a new moon mission for 2030

Russia just announced that it's sending humans to the moon



http://www.physics-astronomy.com/2015/10/russia-just-announced-that-its-sending.html


Look at that PICTURE  and compare it to THIS ONE

he image below is a Sketch from 1895 of a Gold Mine in Operation on the Moon by Konstantin Tsiolkovsky. "Dreams of the Earth and Sky" (1895)
The tube connecting the pyramid shaped towers  are clear glass as he shows people inside. This image would be of the Farside judging by the position of the Earth in the drawing and the shape of the spaceship above being that of what we call a standard UFO today is very interesting indeed.

He was a man ahead of his time, the Father of the liquid fuel rocket and even designed a space station with a revolving Torus (for gravity) complete with solar collectors, solar panels and a dish antenna...  in 1896!!!!  So how did he know about the Farside Mining Operation?

[ArMaP]

MAYBE it's because we really CAN'T get past the Van Allen Belt as NASA scientists say now

Where did NASA scientists say that?

Yes it DOES matter whether it was fake or not because if it was fake, that means we cannot do it

No, it would mean only that it wasn't done.

[ArMaP]

http://www.physics-astronomy.com/2015/10/russia-just-announced-that-its-sending.html


Look at that PICTURE  and compare it to THIS ONE

That image is from some Deviant Art user.

[astr0144]

"Z" posted a video of a NASA engineer saying so ! in his 1st reply (post 2)to this thread.

ArMaP

Where did NASA scientists say that?

Quote from: zorgon on Today at 01:02:16 PM
MAYBE it's because we really CAN'T get past the Van Allen Belt as NASA scientists say now

If Jim Oberg is a non believer or  a debunker... then he will say that Clark was a liar !.

I could not find too much on Clark McClelland in terms of any real detail...There doesnt seem a Wikipedia site on him for eg..But I have found some websites referring to him..

There is ref to him since now having his pension stopped and now being on Social Security..So I suspect maybe that NASA may now deny he ever existed as working for them or something corrupt.. unless its a set up one one way or other.

McClelland claims the U.S. government has stripped him of his pension and forced him to live on social security, despite insisting he has served on more than 800 NASA missions.

Suggesting that he was a NASA engineer and a Space craft Operator...I dont know why they don't just say Astronaut..
but he was a Space Shuttle operator...

and it seems he was the one who said he witnessed a 9 Ft ET in the shuttle mission in 1991 that some suggest was a Tall White..That I now recall..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3016514/Former-NASA-engineer-claims-saw-NINE-FOOT-alien-1991-space-mission.html

Is Clark anyone who we should believe any more than anyone else ?..or is he  Like some of the other astronauts who made claims to seeing UFOs / ETs..

So he claims...(Jim Oberg ) but then he says Clark McClelland is a liar

Some Interesting comments , suggestions and theories from "Z" & RDunk !..

I wasnt sure what UMLR meant...

but I found this that is connected to PRC

I assume this is what you refer to..

Universal Mineral Lease  Registry !
http://umlr.net/

This is a ref to He3...

Helium-3 (He3) is gas that has the potential to be used as a fuel in future nuclear fusion power plants. There is very little helium-3 available on the Earth. However, there are thought to be significant supplies on the Moon.

What do you mean that the Old engineers left no records ? and the young ones now have to start from scratch ?

Are you saying all that the Old Technology & Engineering info and data that was done say for the various Space missions , maybe even the likes of Apollo have disappeared ?

Kind of seems familiar with many engineering Companies going out of business and no longer having new ones replaced or new engineers trained to replace the past type ones, as much of it has now gone to the likes of the Far East ...

its no longer worth training new engineers to be able to create things anymore if we ever had to do so for our selves..and maybe some of that past technology has NOT been recorded like it should have been..

much of those skills have been lost..to some countries..

BUT....Much of the Old Space Technology and Engineering would now be replaced by more modern technology .. like Apollo being replaced by the Space shuttle as an eg..

Will we ever need to know some of the Older technology in the new erra or for the young engineers to know about ?

or maybe.. it Makes one wonder if they are doing away with all type of past technology and Engineering..not just in the Space industry..!

The public has become so distrusting of anything the Government and NASA does they just won't support space exploration. This is why UMLR is not taking off. UMLR would have made MILLIONS in the Apollo era.

Yes it DOES matter whether it was fake or not because if it was fake, that means we cannot do it  Certainly today we cannot do it... the old engineers are gone, they left no records and the young ones are starting from scratch  NASA needs to bum a ride on Russian ships to even get to the ISS

[Dyna]

I think the expressions here say it all.