russian planes..what's going on ?

[space otter]

what's going on with the Russian planes exploding in the air?
who's trying to get Russia send them a message?


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/plane-crashes-in-south-sudan-witnesses-say-dozens-killed/ar-BBmOD4F?li=AAa0dzB

A Russian-built cargo plane with passengers on board crashed on Wednesday after taking off from the airport in South Sudan's capital, killing dozens of people, witnesses said.



http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/04/africa/russian-plane-crash-egypt-sinai/index.html

CNN)—New clues have emerged from the wreckage of Metrojet Flight 9268, prompting more speculation about whether there was a midair explosion and whether repair work from a previous accident may have factored into the plane's demise.

[ArMaP]

If you classify planes owned by Russian companies as Russian planes and planes built by the Soviet Union or Russia but owned by companies from other countries then you will have many Russian planes.

In this new case it was a 45 years old Antonov, flown by a Sudanese company.

The Metrojet plane was an Airbus, not built by Russia but owned by a Russian company.

[space otter]

ArMaP
while your technical classifications are totally correct most folks only hear/see the word Russian and go with it..as Russian

therefore my question of what's up with that..oops I guess it would be better stated as
what's going down 

sigh...bad joke day

[ArMaP]

ArMaP
while your technical classifications are totally correct most folks only hear/see the word Russian and go with it..as Russian

Too much conditioning, I suppose.

[Sinny]

Lots and lots of events happening with planes these days,  remember when they used to be the 'safest' method of travel? Lol

If Dr Beter were still here, he would probably have evidence linking all  of these to political assassinations or something.

[Ellirium113]

Well thanks to the pinpoint accuracy of the establishment media, we have several reported causes ranging from hijacking to ISIS shooting it down. One thing they all seem to be able to agree on though, is that a plane of some sort did indeed crash.

US behind Russia plane crash: Russian military intelligence org.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/us-behind-russia-plane-crash-russian-military-intelligence-org.html

Expert: Russian Airbus May Have Been Hijacked

http://www.prisonplanet.com/expert-russian-airbus-may-have-been-hijacked.html

Black box suggests an explosion in an engine caused Russian holiday jet to crash, sources reveal, after ISIS issue video saying 'We brought it down, die in your rage'
Video shows debris burning two hours after Airbus A321 crashed in Egypt
Doctor who examined half the victims says the bodies were badly burned
Adds further weight to evidence the Metrojet plane was hit by blast or fire
Forensic experts say initial tests showed no trace of explosives on bodies

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3303148/Shocking-footage-shows-smouldering-wreckage-Russian-holiday-jet-two-hours-crashed-doctor-reveals-victims-suffered-horrific-burns-death.html

Egypt plane crash: Authorities reject claim Isis brought down Metrojet flight 9268

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/egypt-plane-crash-investigators-reject-claim-isis-brought-down-metrojet-flight-9268-a6716586.html

Egypt plane crash: Black boxes 'show aircraft was not hit from outside'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/egypt-plane-crash-black-boxes-show-aircraft-was-not-hit-from-outside-but-terrorism-not-ruled-out-a6718161.html

Spy head: No 'direct evidence' of terrorism in Russian plane crash

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/258812-spy-head-no-direct-evidence-that-russian-plane-shot-down-by

UK govt: 'Significant possibility' bomb may have downed Russian passenger jet over Sinai

https://www.rt.com/news/320762-uk-explosive-device-sinai/

[ArMaP]

Lots and lots of events happening with planes these days,  remember when they used to be the 'safest' method of travel? Lol

They still are, the number of deaths per year is very low, last year there were only 1088 deaths, which, although 1088 too many (the number for 2014, according to the Aircraft Crashes Record Office), is a very small number when compared with the more than 3,000,000,000 people that use planes.

[ArMaP]

US behind Russia plane crash: Russian military intelligence org.

I couldn't find that sentence on the linked article.

[Ellirium113]

Sorry Armap I had a wrong link copied there. Fixed it up.

[ArMaP]

Sorry Armap I had a wrong link copied there. Fixed it up.

Thanks.

That's from 2012, is it relevant to the current situation?

[Ellirium113]

Thanks.

That's from 2012, is it relevant to the current situation?

Well...How the heck did I miss that of all things. I would say not. Sorry guys.

[space otter]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/britain-us-intercepted-chatter-supporting-theory-bomb-took-down-russian-jet-officials/ar-CC2aDH?li=AAa0dzB

Reuters
Mark Hosenball and Guy Faulconbridge
36 mins ago

Britain, U.S. intercepted "chatter" supporting theory bomb took down Russian jet - officials

British and U.S. spies intercepted "chatter" from suspected militants and at least one other government suggesting that a bomb, possibly hidden in luggage in the hold, downed a Russian airliner on Saturday, killing all 224 people on board, Western intelligence sources said.

Prime Minister David Cameron halted flights to and from Sharm al-Sheikh on Wednesday after intelligence shown to him indicated that it was likely that the Airbus A321 heading towards St Petersburg was brought down by a bomb.

Britain says there was a "credible threat" but has refused to comment further on the intelligence involved, citing long-standing rules about disclosing operational details about live investigations.

Western intelligence sources said some of the assessment about the bomb came from intercepted communications both from suspected militants and from one or more governments involved in the investigation.

The intelligence sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the situation, said the evidence was not categorical and that there is still no hard forensic or scientific evidence to support the bomb theory.

"We still cannot be categorical but there is a distinct and credible possibility that there was a bomb," one source said.

Two sources with knowledge of the matter said the bomb may have been hidden in luggage in the hold of the Russian plane. They refused to give any further information.

A U.S. official said the "chatter" intercepted about the bomb includes conflicting details about whether the bomb was placed on the plane.

Russia, which was initially critical of Britain's assessment of what it has called a crash, on Friday suspended all flights to Egypt.

President Vladimir Putin ordered the halt to flights after Alexander Bortnikov, the head of Russia's FSB security service, recommended that Russia suspend all passenger flights to Egypt until it knew exactly what caused the crash.

"Until we know the real reasons for what happened, I consider it expedient to stop Russian flights to Egypt," said Bortnikov. "Above all, this concerns tourist routes."

Cameron's spokesman declined to be drawn on details: "The evidence we received suggested there was a credible threat with regard to Sharm al-Sheikh airport which is why we have taken the actions we have.

"I am not going to get into discussions on security matters. I am not going to speculate on the intelligence."

[space otter]

vid at link

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-plane-black-boxes-point-to-attack-putin-halts-flights/ar-CC2N6Q?li=AAa0dzB

AFP
6 hrs ago

Russian plane black boxes point to 'attack', Putin halts flights

Analysis of black boxes from the Russian plane that crashed in Egypt killing 224 people points to a bomb, sources close to the probe said Friday, as Moscow halted flights to the country.

Meanwhile, British airlines were scrambling to evacuate passengers in Sharm el-Sheikh after cancelling flights to the Red Sea resort from which the doomed Airbus took off.

The flight data and voice recorders showed "everything was normal" until both failed at 24 minutes after takeoff from the Sharm el-Sheikh resort Saturday, pointing to "a very sudden explosive decompression," one source said.

The Islamic State group claimed it down the plane, providing no details, saying it was retaliation for Russian air strikes in Syria.

The data "strongly favours" the theory a bomb on board brought down the plane, the source added.

Another source said the plane had gone down suddenly and violently.
One of the black boxes showed that the plane suffered "a violent, sudden" end, a source close to the case in Paris told AFP.

The flight data recorder showed that "everything was normal during the flight, absolutely normal, and suddenly there was nothing".

President Vladimir Putin ordered flights halted , although Moscow had previously downplayed reports that a bomb caused the crash.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told news agencies the measure did not mean Russia believed it was an attack as the investigation continued.


- Testing for explosives residue -


Meanwhile, the head of Russia's emergencies ministry said Russian experts had taken samples from the crashed jet and were testing it for any traces of explosives.

Russia's Interfax news agency quoted a representative of the national Aeroflot carrier as saying a plane would be sent Friday to pick up stranded Russians.

With international concerns mounting, European airlines prepared to bring home thousands of tourists from the Red Sea resort, which has been a jewel in Egypt's tourism crown.

A first flight landed at London's Gatwick airport Friday afternoon, after a lengthy delay to its departure. Another plane was also headed for Britain.

There were angry scenes in Sharm el-Sheikh, as thousands of anxious Britons, who had also hoped to fly home, were sent back to their hotels after Egypt blocked several other repatriation flights.

British Ambassador John Casson was heckled as he announced the news.

Egyptian Aviation Minister Hossam Kamal said only eight of 29 flights would take off because the airport could not cope with all the luggage left behind.

He and the head of the Egyptian-led probe into the incident are to hold a press conference on Saturday at 1500 GMT, the government's press office said, before warning that it may be "postponed."

In a sign of mounting fears about the security of baggage handling in Egypt, Dutch carrier KLM announced that it had banned check-in luggage on an early flight from Cairo, mirroring moves taken by several European airlines.

And American Homeland Security chief Jeh Johnson said the United States would step up security screenings of US-bound flights from some Middle Eastern airports.

Cairo has sought to downplay any suggestion of an attack.

But US President Barack Obama said: "I think there is a possibility that there was a bomb on board and we are taking that very seriously," while emphasising it was too early to say for sure.

In London, Prime Minister David Cameron told reporters it was "more likely than not that... a terrorist bomb" caused the crash.

And The Times newspaper reported that electronic communications intercepted by British and US intelligence suggested a bomb may have been carried onto the plane.

Satellites uncovered chatter between militants in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula and Syria, it said.

"The tone and content of the messages convinced analysts that a bomb had been carried on board by a passenger or a member of the airport ground staff," the newspaper reported, without giving a source.

Egypt has beefed up security at airports to "give confidence to the British government, but that does not mean we concur with any scenario," foreign ministry spokesman Ahmed Abu Zeid said.

There is no global or European blanket ban and some flights have continued from the airport.

France and Belgium have warned citizens against travelling to Sharm el-Sheikh. and Britain has advised against all but essential travel by air to or from the resort.


- Holidaymakers turned away -


The British government authorised flights to resume from the resort on Friday to bring home an estimated 20,000 British tourists.

But thousands were turned away after Egypt blocked British tour operators from flying in empty aircraft to make up the backlog.

Those passengers who did fly out were allowed to carry hand luggage only, with their check-in bags to follow separately.

Joining a string of airlines in avoiding Sharm el-Sheikh, Lufthansa said its Eurowings subsidiary would halt flights between Germany and the Red Sea resort, while Turkish Airlines also cancelled two flights.

If it was behind the attack, it would be the first time IS, which controls large areas of Syria and Iraq, has hit a passenger plane.

The incident has the potential to deeply damage Egypt's tourism industry, still struggling to recover from a turbulent four years following its 2011 revolution.


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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/isis-leaders-boast-metrojet-crash_563d3c05e4b0b24aee4a7c7b


ISIS LEADERS BOASTED ABOUT SINAI CRASH
     
MORE: Explosion Heard On Black Boxes Recovered From Plane
Islamic State Leaders Boasted About Russian Metrojet Crash, U.S. Officials Say

The "chatter" included a boast of taking down the plane on Saturday and how it was done.



Reuters

Posted: 11/06/2015 06:51 PM EST | Edited: 4 hours ago

WASHINGTON, Nov 6 (Reuters) - Communications between Islamic State leaders in Raqqa, Syria, and persons in the Sinai Peninsula included boasts about the downing of a Russian passenger jet over the area, NBC reported on Friday, citing unidentified U.S. officials.

"They were clearly celebrating," NBC Nightly News quoted a U.S. official as saying. The "chatter" included a boast of taking down the plane on Saturday and how it was done.

The U.S. intelligence community intercepted a message from a Sinai group affiliated with Islamic State that warned of "something big in the area" before jet crash.

(Reporting by Doina Chiacu; Editing by Sandra Maler)