Tourists Family Arrested by Cammo Dudes at Area 51 Driving Thru Main Entrance.

[astr0144]

That would be very interesting A51 if yiu suggest that you witnessed the lights go off after the Saucers returned.

I agree with most of your description...But I am not sure about if you also should have been able to make out any lighting at Pahrump.. When I was at Area 51 between 2007 and 2011, I would say that you could see lighting glow effect from the GL Rd area..

But back in 1993 it may not have been that obvious , as I think its a relatively new grown city, mainly growing between 1980 onwards to be of much to consider worthwhile for its lighting  glow effect at night.

Las Vegas Populations have grown to over 2 million as of 2013 ,where as Pahrumps was only 2000 to  36,000 between 1980 to 2010. Yet Pahrump today is quite a well large spread out  area and I suspect today would well stand out at night glow effect wise.

When you suggest that you was aware that the lighting at S4 was quite noticable from the 375 HW, that does surprise me. I would have still thought that they would still try to make it less obvious.

I thought that the mountain ridges and the fact its much more south would cover it well. and that lighting would not be obvious to see.

Had you asked Bob about with regards to S4s stadium Lighting ?

I created a map of between Rachel and Pahrump / Las Vegas..and made a point from roughly where you would have been between HW 375 and Area 51 on Groom Lake Rd about half way down.. I was able to draw a line that almost goes thru Papoose to the western part of Pahrump.  SO it was quite close to being aligned to it...but the mid part  of Pahrump was more to Papooses left or more South East of it.

I am surprised also that the Craft just did a Mc Donalds arch  to return back to S4..

Since the late 1970s, Pahrump has grown almost exponentially, increasing from about 2,000 residents in 1980 to 36,000 in 2010. Pahrump is an archetypal example of an exurb. Almost all significant agriculture has ceased in the valley[2] and the surface aquifers have been filled up over the years. Pahrump has also attracted a number of notable residents, including paranormal talk radio host Art Bell, and Michael Jackson, who purchased a home in the area in 2008, where he briefly had a home studio and home schooled his three children.[3]

t was quite easy to tell which glow was coming from where. Way off to the left was the huge glow from Las Vegas.Way off to the right where Rachel was there was no glow.
Dead center was the big glow from Groom lake, and off to the left of that was the smaller glow from S4. Which by the way turned off a few minutes after the craft had returned to base. The glow from Groom lake stayed on.
In the dark of night it is quite easy to see horizon glows and determine where they are coming from.

I would think any lighting at Papoose Lake could NOT be detected from the Groom Lake Rd or HW 375 area...

Apparently they have enough stadium lighting that it was quite easy to see the glow from HWY 375, and using the mountain ridge line as a reference quite easy to pinpoint it's source.

The spacing between the glows was exactly as you see depicted in the google earth map.

There was no attempt to hide on the return flight to the base. As I said it was a huge McDonalds arch from the desert floor back to the glow at papoose. anybody outdoors at Groom could have easily seen it.

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was you the one that filmed this ?

The question I have been asking for years is where the hell was you back in the early 90's when you could watch flying saucers from public land?

I was busy with other things.

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[astr0144]

Interesting find Funbox if its legit !

several object flying around at the same time...but what are they I wonder ?

I don't think they are the Saucers witnessed by A51 at Area 51.

This was claimed to be filmed at Dugway at night.. Are they the same object in the video you posted I wonder ? seen in May last year. Although the objects seem to mostly stay close together there seems one point where there are 4  lined up. at around the 1 min 27 mark.  One brighter light then the other 3..so is it something that is just connected to each other.

Not really very well filmed as the cameras shaking.



A couple of videos that shows Dugway area in a bit of detail.






Another UFO Hunters video. It only shows a couple of distant lights and is mainly about trying to photo thru out a night session.

It does however show what seems a good location they have found to observe after they  had initially done a recon of the area..

The surrounding area does look much larger than that around Area 51. I think.



It seems Dugway is only about 80 miles away from Salt lake City.

No further than Area 51 is from Las Vegas..

But does it get the same amount of visitor's ? who are searching for UFOs I wonder ? Doubtful but Maybe its getting a few more.

[A51Watcher]

was you the one that filmed this ?

Nope not me

I was busy with other things.

Yep that's what everybody replies

[A51Watcher]

When you suggest that you was aware that the lighting at S4 was quite noticable from the 375 HW, that does surprise me. I would have still thought that they would still try to make it less obvious.

I think you seeing the glow was a much lower priority than you seeing the craft.


I thought that the mountain ridges and the fact its much more south would cover it well. and that lighting would not be obvious to see.

Actually the mountain ridge line was the perfect tool to determine where the craft came from and where the glows came from.
Since I was in fear for my life and full of adrenaline the experience was etched into memory perfectly.

Afterwards studying maps and photos confirmed what I saw and where it occurred on the ridge line was exactly the locations I suspected.



Had you asked Bob about with regards to S4s stadium Lighting ?

No.

I would think any lighting at Papoose Lake could NOT be detected from the Groom Lake Rd or HW 375 area...

Incorrect assumption. Note that the 2 locations are not really that far from each other in relation to HWY 375.



Now of course one would expect S4's lighting to be smaller and dimmer than Groom Lake's, and that is exactly how it appeared.

Both glows appeared on the ridge line exactly where they should have, as indicated by maps of the area.

No other conclusion can be drawn.

[A51Watcher]

That would be very interesting A51 if yiu suggest that you witnessed the lights go off after the Saucers returned.

Yes. Sorry if the text is hard to read in that video but that is exactly what I stated in that video regarding the glows.

I thought that the mountain ridges and the fact its much more south would cover it well. and that lighting would not be obvious to see.

Instead of covering the glow, the edges of the mountain ridges were sharply defined by the glow coming from behind them. They were much more defined and precise than they would have been if it was all dark.

Perhaps the stadium lights were like a lighthouse beacon for disoriented pilots of the craft.

[A51Watcher]

[funbox]

Yep that's what everybody replies

name me 12 people ,=)"

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[astr0144]

Thanks for confirming the details A51.. So you had included that in one of your videos about the Lighting glow...Was that in the one you posted on this thread ? Ill have to watch it again if so...

When you say the saucers returned to S4 and the lights or Glow effect went out once they returned..Did you see that then..As I was not sure if you had said that  you had been observing them..but later had to speed off when being chased. (or maybe you lost the cammos and returned back later elsewhere).so I was not sure if you had got to see all the Saucers return back to S4.

you said there were 3 Saucers.. Did they all return about the same time would you say ? or separately..

Or had they come and gone back a time or two at some stage..

You only observed this on one occasion..(1 Night) but had visited  the day before to check it out in day time.

When they flew back as you suggest...How quickly would you say it took them from them seeming to disappear out of your sight to the lights at S4 going off ?  you had said how fast they could move...but did they just take a slower flight back ?


Also what time would you estimate this occurred ?  I have forgot some of the details as its been a while since I was last looking at the video..or thread   ..Was it sometime between 8.30 pm to after midnight..I seem to recall maybe you were still observing the craft to after mid night.

Yes. Sorry if the text is hard to read in that video but that is exactly what I stated in that video regarding the glows.

I thought that the mountain ridges and the fact its much more south would cover it well. and that lighting would not be obvious to see.

I think that I know what you mean..Maybe the ridges appear darker on the horizon and any light above stands out more even against a dark sky.

Instead of covering the glow, the edges of the mountain ridges were sharply defined by the glow coming from behind them. They were much more defined and precise than they would have been if it was all dark.

Perhaps the stadium lights were like a lighthouse beacon for disoriented pilots of the craft.

[astr0144]

I managed to obtain a full version of the Tourists Family Arrested by Cammo Dudes at Area 51 Driving Thru Main Entrance.


Have not watched it all as yet in full detail, just clips and it seems quite well filmed in its own way...It shows his journey with his son.and where they went and stayed on their trip..at Rachel in the Little Ale-Inn and even shows what the acomodation is like there..which I have never seen shown before....Good to be able to see it for those who consider a visit and overnight stay..and it does make ref to Bob Lazar talking in  the background..

I cannot believe that a Judge ordered to take down the Black Mailbox ! as Tourists were harassing the postman. 

Id say he has thought it out very cleverly in some ways.

...but I noted that There is a very short clip at 8 mins 30 that shows a map like you posted A51..and it sounds like Bob Lazar..saying that the at one time the Russians were involved...That he was paid by the Dept of Navel Intelligence..Must have been from one of his videos..but I don't recall him referring to the Russians in videos that I watched or maybe I just did not note it..

when you see the Tourist head towards the cammos and stop and get out of the car..you see the cammos also get out of their truck.. one of the cammos seems to shout " That Way " and points back to the way they came..as if they may not have done anything IF the tourists had just got back in their vehicle and drove back..

but as they did NOT respond quick enough.. later the cammos ordered what I think was the driver to walk backwards up towards them..

what would they think if they found that the driver did not understand English and if he was Korean ?

Do they bring in an interpreter ? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHDAWLrNPMU&feature=youtu.be

[A51Watcher]

name me 12 people ,=)"

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I could name double that, that said oh sure I want to go when I was planning the trip, but when it came time to pack up they suddenly had other stuff to do.

One guy who really was gonna go, was reading my latest UFO magazine while we were packing.

He was reading an article about some folks who had just visited the perimeter of Area 51 and had their tire shot out by a security dude on foot on one of the outcrops.

Cammo dudes drove by them a short time later and shouted out 'Having car problems?' and laughed as they drove by.

At that point I heard 'TIRE shot out??' from my friend followed by 'No WAY I'm goin out there!!'

So I continued packing and headed out on my own. 

[A51Watcher]

Thanks for confirming the details A51.. So you had included that in one of your videos about the Lighting glow...Was that in the one you posted on this thread ? Ill have to watch it again if so...

Yup that's the one.

When you say the saucers returned to S4 and the lights or Glow effect went out once they returned..Did you see that then..As I was not sure if you had said that  you had been observing them..but later had to speed off when being chased. (or maybe you lost the cammos and returned back later elsewhere).so I was not sure if you had got to see all the Saucers return back to S4.

Yes I got to see all 3 return, and within 2 minutes tops, the glow from S4 went dark.

you said there were 3 Saucers.. Did they all return about the same time would you say ? or separately..

Or had they come and gone back a time or two at some stage..

They tried to return all at the same time, but the third one was having engine trouble. The first 2 headed back without him. He glowed very brightly like the other 2 did but could not attain lift. So he powered it down to very dim mode and waited a few minutes and tried again. He failed again the 2nd time (must have flooded it!  ), and finally the 3rd time got lift and returned to S4 in the same manner as the first two.

After his return, the the glow from S4 went out within 2 minutes.


You only observed this on one occasion..(1 Night) but had visited  the day before to check it out in day time.

When they flew back as you suggest...How quickly would you say it took them from them seeming to disappear out of your sight to the lights at S4 going off ?  you had said how fast they could move...but did they just take a slower flight back ?

From take off to landing on the other side the entire arch appeared to be about 6 seconds. 3 seconds to the top of the arch (about a mile up) the another 3 seconds down the other side.

Also what time would you estimate this occurred ?  I have forgot some of the details as its been a while since I was last looking at the video..or thread   ..Was it sometime between 8.30 pm to after midnight..I seem to recall maybe you were still observing the craft to after mid night.

It was after midnight.

I thought that the mountain ridges and the fact its much more south would cover it well. and that lighting would not be obvious to see.

I think that I know what you mean..Maybe the ridges appear darker on the horizon and any light above stands out more even against a dark sky.

Well yeah out in the dark desert putting a light behind anything makes it's outline appear very clearly.

[astr0144]

When you observed this back in the early 1990s was it 93 ?

You said the Saucer Craft had landed between the main mountain ridge you see and the 375 highway..part way down GL Rd to the left side (Amendment after reply..I did mean to say the right) if I recall.

I was initially under the impression that you had suggested it was only 2 miles back to S4 from  when you observed it at its landed location . but maybe I misinterpreted or mis understood what you said.

either way, If so, would it not be much more than 2 miles to get back to S4 base ... as they had to fly over Groom lake and to the other side of Papoose mountain ?

I would have thought that was maybe more like over 10 miles..

When you say it took 1 min to get to its peak..about a mile high..in 3 seconds and 3 more seconds to descend.

To get back down to landing at S4 from its peak height 1 mile up , in 3 seconds would seem incredible...

If I recall upto 1995 you could observe from Freedom Ridge or White Sides which I believe were very good vantage points to see Area 51 before they prevented  public  access to it.... Had you considered trying to get to this location at all ?

I am trying to think how far away from there you or the landed Saucers  may had been.

From take off to landing on the other side the entire arch appeared to be about 6 seconds. 3 seconds to the top of the arch (about a mile) the another 3 seconds down the other side.

Yes I got to see all 3 return, and within 2 minutes tops, the glow from S4 went dark.

you said there were 3 Saucers.. Did they all return about the same time would you say ? or separately..

Or had they come and gone back a time or two at some stage..

They tried to return all at the same time, but the third one was having engine trouble. The first 2 headed back without him. He glowed very brightly like the other 2 did but could not attain lift. So he powered it down to very dim mode and waited a few minutes and tried again. He failed again the 2nd time (must have flooded it!  ), and finally the 3rd time got lift and returned to S4 in the same manner as the first two.

After his return, the the glow from S4 went out within 2 minutes.

[A51Watcher]

When you observed this back in the early 1990s was it 93 ?

1991

You said the Saucer Craft had landed between the main mountain ridge you see and the 375 highway..part way down GL Rd to the left side if I recall.

Location of Vegas glow -



Location of Groom and S4 glow in relation to Vegas -






No the landing was to the right of mailbox road about half way from the central test point and HWY 375 -




If I recall upto 1995 you could observe from Freedom Ridge or White Sides which I believe were very good vantage points to see Area 51 before they prevented  public  access to it.... Had you considered trying to get to this location at all ?

Sure I had considered a lot of options ahead of time.

[astr0144]

Thanks for posting those images..I note it was 1991.

With ref to what I estimate your and the Saucers location.. For the Saucers to fly back to S4... looking at a map with a scale..I would estimate that maybe about 25 kms... maybe 15 miles.

I was initially under the impression that you had suggested it was only 2 miles back to S4 from  when you observed it at its landed location . but maybe I misinterpreted or mis understood what you had said.

Either way, If so, would it not be much more than 2 miles to get back to S4 base ... as they had to fly over Groom lake and to the other side of Papoose mountain ? I would have thought that was maybe more like over 10 miles..

When you say it took 1 min to get to its peak..about a mile high..in 3 seconds and 3 more seconds to descend to S4.

To get back down to landing at S4 from its peak height 1 mile up , in 3 seconds would seem incredible... ....Flying at several thousand miles an hour would explain it ..

NTS and Yucca , Groom and Papoose Lakes