Water, atmosphere and life on the Moon

[vril-ya]

ok, let's focus on the original subject. what do you think so far?

1. it is not a lake
2. inconclusive
3. it is clearly a lake

Because it is.

I used all the photos posted in this thread, resized, rotated and adjusted the perspective, and then overlaid them on a map.

1 - This is the photo from the opening post:


2 - The image taken from the Lunar Orbiter video from your second post:


3 - The image from Clementine I posted:


4 - The image you posted on the second page:


5 - The Apollo 15 image posted by easynow on page 4:


6 - The image from your post on page 4, the one where you said that the "photo needed to be flipped horizontally":


7 - The Apollo 13 image easynow posted on page 5, AS13-60-8659:


8 - The image you posted on page 5, from Apollo 8:


9 - The image I took from the video:


You can see that images 6,7 and 9 and the ones that were mirrored.

[ArMaP]

ok, let's focus on the original subject. what do you think so far?

1. it is not a lake
2. inconclusive
3. it is clearly a lake

As I already said on page 1, I don't think there's an atmosphere on the Moon, so it's not even possible for it to be a lake of water.

And no, I don't think it's a lake, I think it's clearly a flat area of the ground, like in all other similar places, one of the things we should see if it was a lake would be some kind of refraction and maybe some reflections, and I haven't see any.

[vril-ya]

well, thankfully, you are wrong. but since you are sure, i suggest we make an open bet, if proven not to be a lake, i pay you 100,000$, otherwise you pay me. ok?

ps. i find it funny u r an administrator on john lear's forum who's one of main claims is breathable atmosphere on the moon

As I already said on page 1, I don't think there's an atmosphere on the Moon, so it's not even possible for it to be a lake of water.

And no, I don't think it's a lake, I think it's clearly a flat area of the ground, like in all other similar places, one of the things we should see if it was a lake would be some kind of refraction and maybe some reflections, and I haven't see any.

[funbox]

s I already said on page 1, I don't think there's an atmosphere on the Moon, so it's not even possible for it to be a lake of water.

so what kind of material is this? that lines the craters floor, yet stubbornly refuses to reflect much light from its barren structure-less surface ?
if you can conclusively say it not water. what's it's elemental composite ?

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[ArMaP]

well, thankfully, you are wrong.

It's possible.

but since you are sure, i suggest we make an open bet, if proven not to be a lake, i pay you 100,000$, otherwise you pay me. ok?

First, I never said I was sure, that's something I never say, second, I am not a betting person and I don't have 100,000$ (or euros, the currency in use in my country), I don't even have 1,000$, and if I had I would have much better uses for it, so I cannot accept your bet.

ps. i find it funny u r an administrator on john lear's forum who's one of main claims is breathable atmosphere on the moon

Well, I started by being a common member, invited to join by zorgon, becoming an administrator came a few years after I joined. I joined because I know zorgon from ATS for several years now, and although we disagree in many things we also agree in some, and even if we didn't agree in any thing that doesn't mean we can't have good discussions about the topics we both like.

[ArMaP]

what's it's elemental composite ?

I don't know, but we can look at the data gathered by several Moon missions.

[vril-ya]

Psalm 115:5-6: "They have mouths but cannot speak, eyes, but cannot see. They have ears but cannot hear, noses, but cannot smell."

[funbox]

I don't know, but we can look at the data gathered by several Moon missions.

did a mission take samples from this crater ?

spectrometer readings from somewhere?

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[vril-ya]

to be perfectly honest, i think it was a mistake to share this knowledge wtih you (goes for most). you are NOT ready for the truth, you don't want the truth and thus, you don't deserve the truth. (honor to those rare with eyes to see).

[ArMaP]

did a mission take samples from this crater ?

No. (I don't think there was any mission to the far side of the Moon)

spectrometer readings from somewhere?

Yes, from several missions.

[ArMaP]

to be perfectly honest, i think it was a mistake to share this knowledge wtih you (goes for most).

You did the right thing, if we have knowledge that we think should be public, then we should publish it. And do not let the fact that not all people have the same ideas get you down, as we can only see the reactions of those that posted, we cannot know what's the opinion of those that read the thread and didn't post or how many people didn't have any idea of this "water, atmosphere and life on the Moon" topic and now, because of you, know about it, regardless of it being right or wrong.

you are NOT ready for the truth, you don't want the truth and thus, you don't deserve the truth. (honor to those rare with eyes to see).

Different people have different opinions, resulting from different personalities, backgrounds, etc., it doesn't mean we can't discuss things.

And everyone deserves the truth, even if they (we) don't see it as such.

PS: you didn't say why you think my opinion posted on page 1 is wrong.

[vril-ya]

healthy skepticism i understand and encourage, but deliberate denial of the obvious, despite all presented so far, makes me question your true agenda here. i am not accusing you of anything, just stating my honest opinion.

PS: you didn't say why you think my opinion posted on page 1 is wrong.

[ArMaP]

healthy skepticism i understand and encourage, but deliberate denial of the obvious, despite all presented so far, makes me question your true agenda here.

The problem is what is obvious for one person may not be obvious for another.

For example, for me, it's obvious that the Moon doesn't have a real atmosphere because if it had we would see it or its effect on the light, but we do not.

Why is it obvious for you that the Moon has an atmosphere?

Also, why do you see my opinion as "deliberate denial"? What's wrong with my opinion?

i am not accusing you of anything, just stating my honest opinion.

You are doing both, as your opinion accuses me of deliberate denial.

[funbox]

The problem is what is obvious for one person may not be obvious for another.

For example, for me, it's obvious that the Moon doesn't have a real atmosphere because if it had we would see it or its effect on the light, but we do not.

Why is it obvious for you that the Moon has an atmosphere?

Also, why do you see my opinion as "deliberate denial"? What's wrong with my opinion?
You are doing both, as your opinion accuses me of deliberate denial.

doesn't the moon have water or an atmosphere then ?

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[ArMaP]

doesn't the moon have water or an atmosphere then ?

As it doesn't have any signs of having an atmosphere I don't see how it can have liquid water.