CIA Agents to Troll Alternative Media Sites in Huge Propaganda Program

[ArMaP]

ill bet your dying to know what happened to the 750 turkeys really

No.

and you response was that using too many images only confuse the perspective , to which my response was more picture = more data points = more information of light and shadows , or words similar to those, but again all from memory

So, did I pass the test? Am I the real ArMaP?

besides you've spent enough time investigating ufo's , why not branch into the entirely bizarre subset , or is it to difficult a ground, for the skeptic to tread ?

How can I know if it's difficult or not, if I never looked into it?
No, my problem is lack of time, I don't even have time for the things I have in my "to do list", adding more things to that list would only make things worse.

[ArMaP]

but would more raw data point give you a wider perspective of the scene ?

It would, but from what I remember of that situation, it was a GIF made with photos that showed a specific area from more than 2 three or four different positions, and the problem with that is that with 2 images we can make a stereo image that our brains convert to a 3D scene like they are used to do in our everyday life, but with more images we need them to be very similar, with small differences in perspective, so we can see the resulting animation more as a short movie of the area than as a slideshow of photos taken from different positions.

[funbox]

So, did I pass the test? Am I the real ArMaP?

you past the test just in time

How can I know if it's difficult or not, if I never looked into it?

then you have preconceived notions that prevent you .. not saying its fear...

No, my problem is lack of time, I don't even have time for the things I have in my "to do list", adding more things to that list would only make things worse.

fair enough, I was just considering your interest in ufo/aliens , maybe there's pieces here that will compliment your own internal puzzle

funbox

[ArMaP]

The only way would be to ask someone else what they may see (if they were willing to say or maybe ask for just some parts of what they may see to get an idea If I thought that maybe true)..

This is what I see (I erased my IP address, as I don't want to force the modem to give me a new one ).

It maybe that only those who know how Servers work to be able to really understand it..or tell for sure...

Think about what happens when you login to Pegasus: you write your user name and password and then get a page that was created specifically for you and that only you see, like new replies to your posts. If the server didn't know to which IP address to send the page everyone would get the same information as you. With the image zorgon posted the same thing happens, as that image is created "on the fly" by the server and each person looks at the image sees a different version.

[thorfourwinds]

Oh yeah, ANOTHER shooting at a courthouse in western Michigan.

Officer down.

[astr0144]

Thanks for showing me the image that you see ArMaP and for your explanation...

I did try to read the things that you and "Z" have said in ref to what I had wrote about viruses / ISPs etc and also looked at Danasoft .com website..where I can see a bit more what the website shows.

I still do not fully understand how it works in ref to that website..but I think that I now have a bit more understanding along with yours and "Zs" explanation..

and I have checked my ISP details..

ALL the details (ISP Browser ,windows version )appeared correct except one thing !!!

It showed  a different  message on the danasoft website to the one shown that "Zorgon" Posted in this thread that is shown in the image gif or box in the danasoft website on the bottom line..

Im not sure if "Z" had somehow took the HTML and altered the message from the Danasoft website or if he had selected the html at will and that was the message already wrote from the website..

what ever It may have been something that made me question it !!!

Did he know something that I didn't !  or that I thought maybe was sending a subtle advice warning message 

When I just looked on the Danasoft website again...it shows a different added message..so maybe its automated to write different ones each time..but I think you can alter the HTML if you want to..

LASTLY...I just noticed that the Subtle message that I refer to showing in the Image Gif Box.. now appears to have altered ...and I looked also in another browser and it also shows a differing message...BUT the ISP and Windows info listed remains the same..

Think about what happens when you login to Pegasus: you write your user name and password and then get a page that was created specifically for you and that only you see, like new replies to your posts. If the server didn't know to which IP address to send the page everyone would get the same information as you. With the image zorgon posted the same thing happens, as that image is created "on the fly" by the server and each person looks at the image sees a different version

[ArMaP]

I did try to read the things that you and "Z" have said in ref to what I had wrote about viruses / ISPs etc and also looked at Danasoft .com website..where I can see a bit more what the website shows.

Although the server only registers the IP address, the browser and the page the user was seeing when he/she navigated to that page, a site can get more information from the browser by using Javascript, that's why people worried about their privacy turn off Javascript (and why the TOR browser also has Javascript disabled by default).

LASTLY...I just noticed that the Subtle message that I refer to showing in the Image Gif Box.. now appears to have altered ...and I looked also in another browser and it also shows a differing message...BUT the ISP and Windows info listed remains the same..

I noticed that too, the message changes. As the image is created when the browser asks the server for it it's easy to have random messages added to the other information.

[astr0144]

I came across a webpage that referred to you "Z" and it referred to some of your past background ..with details that I was not aware about...and I can now see that you have a Computer Background..and are not far from being a bit of an Einstein ! more so than I had realized..  

So that may explain a few more things with relation to you seeming to know so much about Computers / websites, servers and Forums..

With PRC is the Forum classed as being also on a website then...I assume it is connected to the livingmoon.com

Im not sure if this is linked to someone else's server or if you have your own..

I think I understand that IP addresses connect to a server of any website..(or the website connects to a server) and records ones ISP when they visit a website that is on that server..

I recall Proxy Servers..and have used them in the past when wanting to send some emails undetected..
but since my computer is not running too well when I tried using one last time with my yahoo email... It had a real problem connecting to a proxy and I could not log into my yahoo account via the proxy to send the email..I tried a few proxys but non seemed to work when using yahoo..

BUT maybe one should consider using a proxy all the time these days..if one does want to try to be undetected..esp on certain forums..that may have spooks watching..


So I think your suggesting that its easy to find someones ISP....but is this only from those who visit your forum...

Otherwise How would you be able to find my ISP...you would need some initial information..I assume mine is recorded on your forum or websites server..and easy for you to get..and that you can only obtain the ISP if I visit your websites or send you and email..

Actually to the website  as the forum is a sub directory of that website. ANY IP address is logged at the server... that is why people try to use proxy servers to hide their point of origin

it's real easy to get your IP   You really think there is privacy online?

You say that one needs to get access to ones server to find their ISP....and that NSA needs permission generally....

I suspect either any Secret Service organisation or police would have no problem obtaining those details..

When you say that they can have someone listen to someone...I assume you mean activity they may do online..but im not sure how one may put their foot in it as such.. unless say they were to post a link to their facebook site on a forum and the spooks were able to get details easily thru FB..

Those lists are visitor stats. Shows who visited from where  To check up on you they need access to the server. Even the NSA still needs papers to do that   They can however register an account and just have someone listen to you blabbering   and wait for you to put your foot into it \

The really funny thing is that 90% of people think that they are important enough to get watched.  LOL  yet those same people, knowing that facebook is an NSA spy trap... stillpost their daily lives and personal info.

At times I would think they may have preferred that such websites should be shut down if someone was to come on and start discussing some secret project..and who had broke the "must remain silent rules" or non disclosure laws...

But if in general the topics discussed were not in any great detail to release enough info for it to be something to become a main concern...it may not be that much of an issue to them.. and would only act on something that really was some sort of threat to them or to the national security.. 

No I have not considered any plans to blow anything up or any deals with Al quida..

If they really cared what us conspiracy nuts think and where upset about it  sites like ATS and us would be shut down.  But since we draw the real kooks... it is better for them to leave us alone and just watch and wait.

So have YOU made any plans to blow up a building lately or made a deal with Al Quida?  If not don't worry about sharing your secret gravy recipe They DON'T CARE

Yes I have experienced most of that type of advert spyware in the past..and malware / AV/ Spyware removal programs show it up and hopefully remove most of it ....or it once  did !

BUT I do still wonder had I been visited by Spooks of some sort..at sometime..

Your WORST enemy is ADVERTISERS!  THEY spy on you all the time and get you to add tool bars and apps and hidden spyware  all in the name of getting you to BUY  That is what it is all about. It is the only reason they watch you... so they can barrage you with ads based on what you like.  That clogs up the system, makes adobe flash CRASH your system and requires constant updates of spotware to keep fixing the crash issues caused by marketers\

THAT is why your system acts up... not because an alphabet sopu agency is spying on you

It may depend how the Security Services determine one as any type of concern to them..

I maybe a inventor with the latest Free energy device... Do you think that they may monitor such a thing If I was trying to sell it to the World ?

OR what if I was a Financial or astrology expert predicting some major World event...

May that raise their interest ! ?

it may tip off other Countries as to what maybe coming..

Why?  what would they gain? are YOU a terrorist in hiding?  They cannot spy on your computer if it is in stealth mode   You cannot access that which you cannot find

I have had viruses on my computer before and ran AV programs and it seemed to fix the problem..so why do you say no AV will fix my Computer ?

If you put most files etc on a "D" drive but its connected to my computer..or on another part of the main hardrive in a partition..surely they can still access those drives .

Once a virus is let onto your computer and runs no existing anti virus will fix it. A hacker can mess things up, so you need a strong server that is hack proof  They cannot hack your website until they get past the server security. problem is with many free website offers you have no protection.

MOST viruses and hackers get in because you let them without realizing it. Those shared emails of some funny letter are the worst.  Best solution is keep all your files on a D drive and just use the C drive for the operating system. They cannot hack the D drive and neiter can a virus write to it

Good advice !

There are always new viruses etc that need you to constantly update the AV software weekly and yes free AV ware doesn't fix everything as you are getting the free version

HOWEVER if you are in stealth mode and have a good firewall that blocks OUTGOING communication then nothing will get in to your system

most firewalls block incoming stuff  but not outgoing. So a program can install a script and dial out your info  Outgoing blockage is a nuisance at first because you have to give permissions for programs like your browser  AND you have to be careful to not get lazy or annoyed and just click ACCEPT when you get notified (my wife does this defeats the purpose of the firewall)

The website host company I had been with unfortunately only kept a copy for so many days...and at that time I was neive and new to websites overall self taught and not well advised... so I had not kept good copys in say one main file...all my content was in various folders in my computer..

BUT WHEN I clicked on my own website that had been infected it in turn also destroyed a lot of things on my computer also..

I had set up a Finance website and been warning about the 2007 crash...after previously running a private forum for some years..

so that is why I wonder was I targeted for that reason..

Id also been to Area 51 !  before I new much about it....and I believe that I may have had an encounter with some spook in the Little Alien ! who I may have shared my email with after a discussion on Lazar ! having been nieve to things since learned on PRC..

Zone Alarm and Comodo are two good ones  My daughter likes Comodo best

For STEALTH MODE  start here (I have posted this before)

https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

As for a website getting hacked. any good server will have a clean backup copy  but you should have a copy at home anyway. I do all my work at home on my version then just use FTP to upload the changes  As the computer does it faster I just upload the whole section and set it to ignore any same size files

[ArMaP]

I recall Proxy Servers..and have used them in the past when wanting to send some emails undetected..
but since my computer is not running too well when I tried using one last time with my yahoo email... It had a real problem connecting to a proxy and I could not log into my yahoo account via the proxy to send the email..I tried a few proxys but non seemed to work when using yahoo..

BUT maybe one should consider using a proxy all the time these days..if one does want to try to be undetected..esp on certain forums..that may have spooks watching..

If you want you can try the TOR browser. It installs a kind of proxy in you computer and a preconfigured version of Firefox. All servers you visit with that browser cannot register you IP address because your computer is not directly connected to them, the connection is made through several other computers with TOR installed.

[Dyna]

I would be willing to bet that anyone you would really need to hide from have a way to see through any of the various methods to avoid and be secretive.

[zorgon]

I came across a webpage that referred to you "Z" and it referred to some of your past background ..with details that I was not aware about...and I can now see that you have a Computer Background..and are not far from being a bit of an Einstein ! more so than I had realized..  

Oh yeah? Which one is that?

With PRC is the Forum classed as being also on a website then...I assume it is connected to the livingmoon.com

A FORUM is a software program that has to have a website to run on. Whether you own that website and run it free or you sign up for something like Proboards and run it on their server

ALL my web related stuff is under the banner www.thelivingmoon.com  Even my other domains like UMLR.net run UNDER the main board but the pointers don't show it when you visit. My hostintg company allows me up to 15 domain names hosted under one unlimited account for $4.44 a month

Im not sure if this is linked to someone else's server or if you have your own..

The server is GLOBAT  There is no prsctical way to run a server yourself for high traffic. In the old days of Bulletin Boards (I ran Wildcat ) your connections were limited to how many phone lines you ran into your server LOL

I think I understand that IP addresses connect to a server of any website..(or the website connects to a server) and records ones ISP when they visit a website that is on that server..

I recall Proxy Servers..and have used them in the past when wanting to send some emails undetected..
but since my computer is not running too well when I tried using one last time with my yahoo email... It had a real problem connecting to a proxy and I could not log into my yahoo account via the proxy to send the email..I tried a few proxys but non seemed to work when using yahoo..

Think of IP as a street address  Everyone has one that is unique. That is how mail addressed to YOU gets to your house. Same with an IP  computers need to have an address to identify you and your location. A Proxy is fine if your hiding things like terrorist activities though any good computer whiz can still track you if your on long enough

Yahoo most likely doesn't allow proxy servers just like some companies will not let you use their website if you have ad blocker in place (Publishers CZlearing House is one  they know if you have ad blocker) Facebook is demanding you use your real name  Zorgon no longer works at FB. They have been cancelling accounts and making you show drivers license to reinstate under your real name

I bety they are doing all this so people can be charged when they say certain things Google is doing the same thing but they still let me use Pegasus though they bug me every time

BUT maybe one should consider using a proxy all the time these days..if one does want to try to be undetected..esp on certain forums..that may have spooks watching..

Again I ask  WHAT are you afraid of? What are you hiding? Look at me and John lear  We of all people have posted stuff really bordering on secret yet they don't bother us Sure we had 'visits' but they ended up actually helping   Most average people are paranoid that THEY are being watched LOL    But for what reason What have you done that is suspicious behavior?   

I post what I want   I have had no issues and am not on the no fly list

So I think your suggesting that its easy to find someones ISP....but is this only from those who visit your forum...

The lists I posted are only visitors to the forum... and all those have no reason to hide who they are so use their normal IP address  But yes it is easy to find anyone's IP  But if they don't connect to you you can't find them  

Otherwise How would you be able to find my ISP...you would need some initial information..I assume mine is recorded on your forum or websites server..and easy for you to get..and that you can only obtain the ISP if I visit your websites or send you and email..

The minute you log onto the forum  or visit a webpage  your IP is logged as a visitor. That is how statistics are gathered 

People are funny  They worry about sharing their ID with the government But they forget one thing..

The GOVERNMENT issues you your ID  Your drivers license, your Birth Certificate, your Social Security number, your Tax ID, etc etc are all issued by the government LOL Its all public record  You buy a house... its recorded at the county registrar for all to see...

The only people you need to hide from are Marketers  

[zorgon]

You say that one needs to get access to ones server to find their ISP....and that NSA needs permission generally....

Well if you have a server for your website, access is automatic via the control panel.  There are all kinds of stats available  I hardley ever use them  Also tons of free software like forums and galleries etc etc.  And yes the NSA does still need a court order to pull your record however it is not hard to get if they want it... merely a formality on paper

I suspect either any Secret Service organisation or police would have no problem obtaining those details..

When you say that they can have someone listen to someone...I assume you mean activity they may do online..but im not sure how one may put their foot in it as such.. unless say they were to post a link to their facebook site on a forum and the spooks were able to get details easily thru FB..

remember Edward Snowden?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data

At times I would think they may have preferred that such websites should be shut down if someone was to come on and start discussing some secret project..and who had broke the "must remain silent rules" or non disclosure laws...

Secret is a funny thing....  I can discuss a secret program because I am NOT part of that secret program, so all I have is hearsay and opinion.  IF I post secret documents that have not been declassified I would be arrested.

Example  Take the nuclear lab at Livermore  The scientists working on Fission upstairs do not know what the scientists working on Fusion downstairs are working on   So when I talked to a physicist in San Fransisco about the fusion work he said "So THAt is what those buggers are working on downstairs!"

A spook, that usede to be on ATS NJ Mooch was his name, explained it to me that they are allowed to discuss projects that they are NOT read into (working in) but the minute the converstaion switches to something they are in the know of, they start talking about the weather He told me if he starts talking about the weather that I was barking up the right tree as it were.

They are also allowed to discuss it in the form of fiction...  so that is why we use the term 'reading between the lines'  You have to use your own intuition and research to fill in the blanks from the hints.  Unfortunately that makes it hard to present proof to others

In the end most of the stuff I discover and am made privy to... ends up in my own files, just like John lear has 24 filing cabinets of info that will likely never see the light of day

Too much info  and too few people really care to look that deeply  All they want is to know are "Aliens real? Where can I see one"

[zorgon]

But if in general the topics discussed were not in any great detail to release enough info for it to be something to become a main concern...it may not be that much of an issue to them.. and would only act on something that really was some sort of threat to them or to the national security.. 

Exactly...  90% of people don't have 1) the attention span that is needed to get into it in detail (they generally loose interest after 40 seconds) 2) the understand level required to really figure out the big picture even when its laid out 3) the patience to read through official documents even though they demand those documents as proof of what you say.

How many people here at Pegasus can say that they have taken the time to independently follow all the leads?  (I can name a few:P )  it's not very many. I will open the other rooms to the public viewing later this week but will lock some threads because I know that the 99% will only look at them and want to comment with opinions and debunking like we see on all other forums. There are very few genuinely intersted people out there

No I have not considered any plans to blow anything up or any deals with Al quida..

I used  to blow up stuff all the time LOL So did John and Bob lazar (but they did it BIGGER) I made a rocket engine in machine shop in high school   My mineral assay lab in the garage made some cops ask about my meth lab    idiots  but I did get a written apology from the captain

Yes I have experienced most of that type of advert spyware in the past..and malware / AV/ Spyware removal programs show it up and hopefully remove most of it ....or it once  did !

BUT I do still wonder had I been visited by Spooks of some sort..at sometime..

Well there are hundreds of spook agencies around the world LOL Just smile and wave to them. If you see a black van outside take them some coffee and a sandwhich (no donuts that is too cliche)   Sitting all day in a car is wearisome Or invite them in to chat

It may depend how the Security Services determine one as any type of concern to them..

I maybe a inventor with the latest Free energy device... Do you think that they may monitor such a thing If I was trying to sell it to the World ?

yes they monitor all new tech  They even have a restricted tech list.  But it seems kids can still make a 200 watt killer laser out of scrap parts and ost it on YT  

However IF you had a truly working free energy device  there is NOTHING that could stop it getting out.  Just sell it to China  

So far no one has one yet

[zorgon]

No.
So, did I pass the test? Am I the real ArMaP?

Dunno All I see is a South Park character posting words Define "real" :p

[ArMaP]

Dunno All I see is a South Park character posting words Define "real" :p

ArMaP only exists online, the guy writing his posts only exists offline.