Donald Trump and the establishment.

[Pimander]

That it DOES exist there is no doubt but lumping all secret societies into one group is both wrong and a bad idea as many of these groups work for the good.   Don't forget it was Rosicrucians/Free masons that created the USA for the good of all and a place where freedom meant something.

It is also worth reminding people (if you knew this already of course) that the Royal Society was founded by Rosicrucians (many of whom were Masons).  The Royal Society was linked to a school of thought - The Enlightenment - that developed in Europe:-

The ideas of the Enlightenment undermined the authority of the monarchy and the Church, and paved the way for the political revolutions of the 18th and 19th centuries.[5] A variety of 19th-century movements, including liberalism and neo-classicism, trace their intellectual heritage back to the Enlightenment.[7]

The Age of Enlightenment was preceded by and closely associated with the scientific revolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment

So the enlightenment, which had at its heart Masonic influence, caused the overthrow of the corrupt and backward Roman Catholic Church and most of the European Monarchies (e.g. French Revolution).

Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson visited Europe from America during this period and contributed actively to the scientific and political debate, and later incorporated the ideals of the Enlightenment into the United States Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment

I had wondered "Z",  maybe if you had considered that  the Illuminati may possibly be a Non Human related organisation ! as suggested ,Or maybe some Secret Society being connected to them as the article Serp UK posted seemed to claim...

The Illuminati is a red herring.  The confusion conveniently distracts attention from the influence of the Jesuits (Society of Jesus) who have tried to regain the power of the Roman Church through secular and covert means.  They are also probably delighted that the Mason's get blamed for everything.

ATS is just a forum.  It has been used as a channel for releasing/popularising disinformation into the public domain.  Some of this was used to train intelligence officers and some was an experiment.  No doubt some was genuine counter-intelligence from various parties.  The rest is just genuine truth seeking.  When real scepticism was applied to topics at ATS, you will find some brilliant detective work (if you ignore the arguments and personalities which often distracted from the facts and I admit to getting sucked into like many of us).


Like the USA and French Republic, the EU was founded with good intentions at heart.  The problem is that it has become a tool of Capitalism like the USA.  Junker got a mention.  He is the President of the EU effectively.  No member of the public voted for him or any of the other powerful people on the European Commission!  Ask yourself why in modern democratic Europe that is the case....

Humanity needs to start to put the planet and human lives before money.  The worship of Money will only end when the rule of Capitalism happens.  I hope I live to see it but I don't recommend you hold your breath!

[space otter]

Hillary will NEVER be arrested  she has too much dirt on the others

People involved with the Clintons tend to turn up dead... the body count is high

Soros is driving the anti-Trump campaign because Hillary is his project and he has spent a lot of money getting her in  I wouldn't trust Soros to comke yup with any SANE solution


Trump is popular by all poles taken. No one I know tallks about voting for the Witch... so IF she does get 'ellected' then we are doomed and there is no hope for us

sorry but i think we are doomed with either of them 
one is the devil you know and the other is the devil unknown
i heard a good line the other day
the gop has gone from the grand old party to the white peoples party
and i don't think there are enough white folk to get him in... imo
people think that a natural disaster will take us out
i think it will be the 'leaders' of gov that will
S I G H

[astr0144]

Yes that was what I thought...based on certain things that maybe I had been led to believe..

(but facts maybe always still hard to try to be certain about..or who we trust and what we may or may not accept in our views ..)

Soros is driving the anti-Trump campaign because Hillary is his project and he has spent a lot of money getting her in  I wouldn't trust Soros to comke yup with any SANE solution

Some interesting facts Pimander.. in ref to other possible history or reasoning...but it may still not confirm if an Illuminati exists based upon Blood Lines..(if that may exist)

Id not thought of A.T.S being a set up training site towards IQ officers....that seems concerning !

Pimander

The Illuminati is a red herring.  The confusion conveniently distracts attention from the influence of the Jesuits (Society of Jesus) who have tried to regain the power of the Roman Church through secular and covert means.  They are also probably delighted that the Mason's get blamed for everything.

ATS is just a forum.  It has been used as a channel for releasing/popularising disinformation into the public domain.  Some of this was used to train intelligence officers and some was an experiment.  No doubt some was genuine counter-intelligence from various parties.  The rest is just genuine truth seeking.  When real scepticism was applied to topics at ATS, you will find some brilliant detective work (if you ignore the arguments and personalities which often distracted from the facts and I admit to getting sucked into like many of us).


Like the USA and French Republic, the EU was founded with good intentions at heart.  The problem is that it has become a tool of Capitalism like the USA.  Junker got a mention.  He is the President of the EU effectively.  No member of the public voted for him or any of the other powerful people on the European Commission!  Ask yourself why in modern democratic Europe that is the case....

As much as I think Trump seems the better option..(based upon if things said about the Clinton's are truth)....

What you suggest may be the case....

D.T maybe showing a more White Race view on things..

I am not sure what % are Whites V other / colored  races overall in the USA...

and if one is white they may still vote on that basis if they believe immigration is a threat to them....which I think has been a issue thru out history..

I wonder how the races have varied say in the last 500 years..

There will also be some things that Donald Trump may do that will be a concern to the poorer people.. if he is too much towards a Capitalist society... as the rich will always prosper over the poor..


If he does get in power ..The poorer people will have to hope that he does not turn too one sided in some things that takes away any advantages that they may have had to rely on ..


but as many things seem to have occurred since Obama.. I think they may had favored the other races or certain groups more..


Its still also possibly all just an act and they work on behalf of the P.T.B and its like a game to them as to what ever out come occurs.. they then adapt to it to their advantage..

Space Otter

sorry but i think we are doomed with either of them 
one is the devil you know and the other is the devil unknown i heard a good line the other day the gop has gone from the grand old party to the white peoples party and i don't think there are enough white folk to get him in... imo
people think that a natural disaster will take us out
i think it will be the 'leaders' of gov that wil   

[ArMaP]

This is slightly off-topic, but I was reading about Melania Trump's speech and noticed something for which I couldn't find an explanation: why they refer to her as "Ms. Trump" and not "Mrs. Trump"?
Can anyone explain that to me? Thanks in advance.

[zorgon]

This is slightly off-topic, but I was reading about Melania Trump's speech and noticed something for which I couldn't find an explanation: why they refer to her as "Ms. Trump" and not "Mrs. Trump"?
Can anyone explain that to me? Thanks in advance.

WHY don't you ask HER?

https://www.facebook.com/MelaniaTrump/

[zorgon]

Melania Trump
April 27 ·
"The article published in GQ today is yet another example of the dishonest media and their disingenuous reporting. Julia Ioffe, a journalist who is looking to make a name for herself, clearly had an agenda when going after my family. There are numerous inaccuracies in this article including certain statements about my family and claims on personal matters. My parents are private citizens and should not be subject to Ms. Ioffe's unfair scrutiny.
Furthermore, the statement surrounding the performance of my skincare collection is completely false. The company in which I was involved with did not honor the contract and did not meet their obligations and as such the courts ruled in my favor.
I am hopeful that the media will begin to cover me fairly and be respectful of my family's privacy."

Melania Trump

[A51Watcher]