A Hope For Peace?

[Dyna]

OK, you believe God is an an imniscient and omnipotent being?  Yes.

You therefore believe God created Lucifer?  Yes.  Being omniscient he knew without any doubt what Lucifer would do and created Lucifer deliberately.  Therefore Lucifer's actions were God's plan.

You also believe God created Adam? Yes.  Being omniscient he knew without any doubt that Adam would eat the fruit.  Adam's actions were God's plan.

Could be so maybe not, free will, all of the children of god were given free will. The fact that everyone gets to chose may actually mean some things are not known until after the choices are made.

Maybe we look at things in to human of a way and maybe to small! Someone said what if you are actually a creature (an energy) so large that you cannot comprehend even yourself while in this form.
Now suppose that a fragment of your real self is put inside this temporary form like a fingertip dipped in water. The purpose to learn and experience.
what if it is like this?
http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html

The true (bible) is not in a book it is inside of people already written in your heart. It is the voice that clearly tells you when you do something wrong or not so clearly if you have not worked with it but against it.

I believe we have been created, I don't limit the ways and means, we could be a virtual creation but I do know that we are loved by our creator, I was born knowing this even though I was in a Family who had no sense of any form of spirituality.

I don't think we can presume to know anything but a tiny part of a very big picture and I don't think we need to at this point, Matthew 18:2-4 "...2 Jesus called a little child to stand among them. 3"Truly I tell you, He said, "unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven....
   I think we just need to focus on being decent people and as a child does trust that the rest will be taken care of and eventually made clear. The arguing about details and written works and creating a huge thing (religions) are only to give power to humans.

Psalm 131:2
Surely I have composed and quieted my soul; Like a weaned child rests against his mother, My soul is like a weaned child within me.

[Pimander]

Could be so maybe not, free will, all of the children of god were given free will. The fact that everyone gets to chose may actually mean some things are not known until after the choices are made.

No, it's not that easy to get out of.

An omniscient being would know exactly what said beings will do with their free will and the outcome.

ull Definition of omniscient

    1
    :  having infinite awareness, understanding, and insight

    2
    :  possessed of universal or complete knowledge

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/omniscient

Maybe we look at things in to human of a way and maybe to small! Someone said what if you are actually a creature (an energy) so large that you cannot comprehend even yourself while in this form.

Maybe we do but what I just said remains the truth.  An omniscient being knows all.  Simple as that!

Everything is the fault of an omniscient creator.  Everything.  No ifs no buts.

Now suppose that a fragment of your real self is put inside this temporary form like a fingertip dipped in water. The purpose to learn and experience.

That does not change what I said.

The true (bible) is not in a book it is inside of people already written in your heart. It is the voice that clearly tells you when you do something wrong or not so clearly if you have not worked with it but against it.

So why make so much fuss over a book?  It's just a book FFS.

Humans kill each other, torture, persecute, rule kingdoms, created the infernal mess that is Israel among other things because of what it says in that book.

Understanding the Bible properly, for what it really is, would change all that.

I don't think we can presume to know anything but a tiny part of a very big picture and I don't think we need to at this point, Matthew 18:2-4 "...2 Jesus called a little child to stand among them. 3"Truly I tell you, He said, "unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven....

Yes, but a human wrote that.

I think we just need to focus on being decent people and as a child does trust that the rest will be taken care of and eventually made clear. The arguing about details and written works and creating a huge thing (religions) are only to give power to humans.

If you are right and we were deliberately created this way, we were given the ability to argue the details.  I say it would be an insult to said creator not to....


Just sayin' 

[Dyna]

 author=Pimander link=topic=9567.msg126636#msg126636 date=1472677082
An omniscient being would know exactly what said beings will do with their free will and the outcome.
Maybe we do but what I just said remains the truth.  An omniscient being knows all.  Simple as that!

Everything is the fault of an omniscient creator.  Everything.  No ifs no buts.

When I was a baby I thought everything was my Parents fault. I know there is a reason for all of these things I feel lucky because I do know it, at least I don't have to suffer thinking it is all for naught!

So why make so much fuss over a book?  It's just a book FFS.

I agree with you there there is to much put on "THE BOOK"  I consider ancient texts of all kinds learning tools, I certainly would never give my life for a book or a flag for that matter.

Deliberately created this way, we were given the ability to argue the details.  I say it would be an insult to said creator not to.Humans kill each other, torture, persecute, rule kingdoms, created the infernal mess that is Israel among other things because of what it says in that book.

I don't disagree it is part of searching a good thing, as far as fighting about whats in the book nah they don't because the book doesn't say the things they claim they just like to hate.

As For created this way, suppose you created someone and it had a choice and chose dark not light just for the excitement, power, material things when they could have chose light, true happiness but with a few rules to follow.
Just because you know your kids will get into the candy jar when you leave them alone does not mean you consider them evil, BUT they do need to be taught some major lessons.
I can never do this quote stuff right.


Just sayin' 

[funbox]

I agree with you there there is to much put on "THE BOOK"  I consider ancient texts of all kinds learning tools, I certainly would never give my life for a book or a flag for that matter.

here here !, or there, or somewhere at least nearby, *tips a hat to Aleister*

snippets of truth all mixed up in a ball of bullcrap, one text book borrowing from the next , like a weird game of Chinese whispers


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[Dyna]

here here !, or there, or somewhere at least nearby, *tips a hat to Aleister*

snippets of truth all mixed up in a ball of bullcrap, one text book borrowing from the next , like a weird game of Chinese whispers


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Seeking the golden nuggets in ball of Bullcrap!

[rdunk]

Seeking the golden nuggets in ball of Bullcrap!

LOL - Of course the "world" and all therein is pure representation of the "bull crap" that has been mentioned above. And that is why regarding the "strait gate."................"few are those finding it". ( Matt 7:13-14 )

We pretty much are living in this ball of bull crap, except when one really does find that "golden nugget"/"strait gate", the reality of life becomes obvious, and the bull crap loses its hold on our lives! 

[ArMaP]

We pretty much are living in this ball of bull crap, except when one really does find that "golden nugget"/"strait gate", the reality of life becomes obvious, and the bull crap loses its hold on our lives! 

Maybe that "golden nugget" is just a shinier ball of bull crap, and people get so excited for its shining that they don't see it for what it really is.

[funbox]

Maybe that "golden nugget" is just a shinier ball of bull crap, and people get so excited for its shining that they don't see it for what it really is.

I thought it was all guessing ?

or quasi not

so you do understand ...

people get so excited for its shining that they don't see it for what it really is.

but what is it really ?, could it be a Russian doll effect of bullcrap, peel each faecal layer away only to reveal another underneath ? where do those corns lie, within this fetid, matrix of a structure?

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[ArMaP]

but what is it really ?, could it be a Russian doll effect of bullcrap, peel each faecal layer away only to reveal another underneath ? where do those corns lie, within this fetid, matrix of a structure?

Maybe they're somewhere else, where nobody expects them to be.

[funbox]

Maybe they're somewhere else, where nobody expects them to be.

I've already checked down the back of the sofa.. try again

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[Pimander]

As For created this way, suppose you created someone and it had a choice and chose dark not light just for the excitement, power, material things when they could have chose light, true happiness but with a few rules to follow.

But if I was omniscient I would know they would do that.  It would be my responsibility.  To blame/condemn them would be well... EVIL!

[Pimander]

*tips a hat to Aleister*

Ditto

snippets of truth all mixed up in a ball of bullcrap,

But don't forget, "You can't polish a turd!"

[rdunk]

Maybe that "golden nugget" is just a shinier ball of bull crap, and people get so excited for its shining that they don't see it for what it really is.

Yes ArMaP you are exactly right. In Biblical vernacular such is referred to as being "the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life...... and is of the world". (1John 2:15-16)

[Dyna]

LOL - Of course the "world" and all therein is pure representation of the "bull crap" that has been mentioned above. And that is why regarding the "strait gate."................"few are those finding it". ( Matt 7:13-14 )

We pretty much are living in this ball of bull crap, except when one really does find that "golden nugget"/"strait gate", the reality of life becomes obvious, and the bull crap loses its hold on our lives! 

Wasn't that the narrow gate before Mandela effected?

[Dyna]

But if I was omniscient I would know they would do that.  It would be my responsibility.  To blame/condemn them would be well... EVIL!

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But we all see the shinny crap it seems

Great crappy conversation here!