SpaceX rocket explodes on Pad 40

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I updated my original post with an uploaded file to Youtube...Hope it works ok...

tell me what you guys think...

I slowed down the original video to 50% and you can clearly see the wing flap if you could zoom in. I tried to replicate that in the second with zoomed in screen shots...
I was kind of busy at the time, cause I had to baby sit my 3 grandsons today and one is 4 months old, so I was kind of busy...


Rock 

[RUSSO]

Making Jokes and Silly Cards is all well and good but

I still think he has a good hand and a card game would be awesome 

Where are these Aliens you claim are influencing us? 

Just ONE  Show me just ONE

After all these years you should know better than everyone else that to put a hand in an alien is not that easy (besides the fact it would most likelly kill you as it did with Marco Eli Chereze --> http://www.rense.com/general62/var.htm ).

Can't can you? It's all just in your imagination... based on Television bias and what you want to believe.

The fact someone has no power to caugh an alien life and show you means its all made up?

Over 40 years since von Danekin first 'invented' Ancient Aliens I have bben seeking... So far NADA  Nothing but stories and fabrications and crazy loonies looking for attention claiming they were abducted'  Cows mutilated by Black helicopters to keep up the mythology to hide real black ops projects. Ground penetrating radar shows NOTHING at DULCe  heck even Area 51 has catering trucks to bring in the food

Nothing but stories and fabrication sounds like ýou put every person that ever touched this field(dont forget that there is lots of people that have had these experiences and does not go in the street yelling at people about what they gone through) in a blender and as a result you get only the "bad taste" of it.

Skinwalker Ranch  closed up and locked down...  NADA from their  Robert et all ogf the Aviary gone into space making inflatable space stations

NADA Not ONE Alien

ZIP  NOTHING

Again, because you were not there and dont share what Robert knows (if anything) and decided for some reason (that is not hard to figure out) not tell anyone, it means inteligent and sentient life does not exist elsewhere right?

Dr Lier  Where is the piece of Roswell metal he supposedly had? Why wouldn't he let ANYONE verify those 'Alien Implants' he removed?

Hmmm?

NADA ZIP NOTHING  Not one piece... not ever... 

There is always bad "professionals" in any field you look at. Are they making money? YES. Is it fair? NO. But this is not excuse to put legit researchers in their same place.

The world governments are just not that efficient

Governments? I think this is above governments and for a great deal of time already. Or you think the society you live in is really just product of governments clashing each other? Come on, you don't really think you live in a DEMOcracy do you?

[zorgon]

I still think he has a good hand and a card game would be awesome 

Probably, YES because that does not require a lot of development and people still do play card games

After all these years you should know better than everyone else that to put a hand in an alien is not that easy

But WHY? WHY is it hard? You look at the reports and going by what people see the skies are filled with HUNDREDS nay THOUSANDS of UFO's daily... So considering the supposed number of crashes since Roswell that crash recovery researchers go to... WHY is it so hard to find ONE SINGLE ALIEN or small piece of wreakage?

Now if those thousands of sightings daily are Plasma critters... well okay then  They don't leave a hard trace

(besides the fact it would most likelly kill you as it did with Marco Eli Chereze -->

So your saying these Aliens arre hostile? Hmmm well  Stephen Hawking agrees with you But if that were true and they are more superior to us... WHY haven't they just wiped us out?

The fact someone has no power to caugh an alien life and show you means its all made up?

Yes because from the reports they are easy to catch  They crash ships all the time since Roswell, the Alien interview shows them as frail beings... so yeah  they SHOULD be easy to catch with all the military Might we have (Didn't we accidentally shoot down the Roswell craft with our radar?   So yeah Show me the Aliens  I call your bluff

I am tired of Jamie Maussan and Steven Greer's "Disclosure" Crap showing me fake aliens  and STILL getting paid for it

Nothing but stories and fabrication sounds like ýou put every person that ever touched this field(dont forget that there is lots of people that have had these experiences and does not go in the street yelling at people about what they gone through) in a blender and as a result you get only the "bad taste" of it.

YES!!! Exactly!!  Put it all into a blender and it comes out smelling and tasting like crap How do we know that the 'experiencers" are not just attention seekers or are having a bad trip on some bad weed?  WHY do the UFO 'researchers" and whistle blowers all attack each other's story? Shpould they not support each other? Stanton Friedman never finished his degree yet goes around letting people think he is a Nuclear Scientist therefore he should be respected. Read his own bio LOL... he failed at it and went into selling UFO's  Never seen one in his life (his own admission) but his claim to fame is calling Bob Lazar a fraud.

All these guys call the other guy a liar and only their story is true... yet the simple FACT of compartmentalization proves that any and all of them could only be privy to a very small piece of the puzzle.  The rest they make up as they go... because they like the attention on the UFO circuit, so ofcourse they 'know" everything. John Lear calls this "UFO disease"  The pathelogical need to feed your gullible public anything they want to hear because your the supposed expert and you like the attention.

Again, because you were not there and dont share what Robert knows (if anything) and decided for some reason (that is not hard to figure out) not tell anyone, it means inteligent and sentient life does not exist elsewhere right?

Actually I was there   and Robert's wife and I worked a lot on the local Charity.   No Aliens just weird creatures from another dimension

There is always bad "professionals" in any field you look at. Are they making money? YES. Is it fair? NO. But this is not excuse to put legit researchers in their same place.

yes the Charlatans are making money...WHY? Becaue the stupid fickle public WANTS to hear what they BELIEVE to be the truth... so if you try to mess with that YOU are ostracized as the disinfo agent because you dare to challenge their reality. So what is the point of being a serious researcher if no one wants to hear what you have to offer? Look at Pegasus... it was supposed to be the cream of the crop of the real thinkers...  We barely have 20 people still posting.

Is it fair? Hell no... it would be nice to see a little recognition for the effort But since John is to ill to participate anymore there isn't much left to work with.  With everyone and their sister having good qaulity cell phone cameras these days  does it seem logical to you that NO ONE ever catches ANYTHING but obscure fuzzy objects that no one can tell what it is  yet those same cameras take excellent photos of that Bikini Babe on the beach?

As to legit researchers... WHO? can you name some?  Even John only got into it to satisfy his own curiosity and he constantly changed his mind on things  so WHO is a 'legit' researcher these days?  Let's see a list

Governments? I think this is above governments and for a great deal of time already. Or you think the society you live in is really just product of governments clashing each other?

Obama recently gave his last (thank the Aliens ) State of the Union Speech... He bashed the military. Look at the faces of these Chief of Staff's... These guys are THE TOP military leaders of each of the armed forces. They are not happy... these guys have the power to fix everything  yet they do NOTHING except lap it up and squirm looking ready to kill someone... so WHO is running things then?



What organization has more power than any and all world governments and the Military of the strongest nation on Earth (Well maybe 2nd to Russia ) WHO controls the Alien info world wide so good that not the tiniest leak ever gets out?

Come on, you don't really think you live in a DEMOcracy do you?

Hell NO  Its a REBUBLIC.. a corporation... always has been. problem is the Corporation is bankrupt, both morally and financially. If trump doesn't get in and Hillary (Soro's puppet) is put in the seat, then the USA is finished

BTW Hillary promised to reveal the 'truth' about Aliens  So I guess yawl will want her in right? I mean her track record of honesty is beyond question, right?

[zorgon]

It is sad that this happens...there are places on the web that seemed to have put out the truth and then they go off on some tangent just to make money.  It seems most people want their ears tickled instead of hearing the truth.  Sometimes things are what they seem and we try and find something else.  Just my humble opinion....

Well here is the problem..

Government opens a White House petition website...  top two requests...  legalize marijuana and disclose UFO's 

So UFO believers petition for answers..

Government says: We have no deallings with Aliens and have no Alien tech hidden away...

UFO believers: Your LYING

But what if they are NOT lying?

What if A) no one in the open government actually knows anything about aliens?
or B) there are no Aliens

Doesn't matter because if the government says "Yes they are real" UFO believers will say "See? told ya so!"  and if they say "No there are no Aliens" UFO Believers will get angry and say "You are LYING, covering it up!!!

So you cannot win... ever

President Carter asked about the UFO's  He was told that a President's curiouslity was not a good enogh "need to know' reason. After all a President is only a TEMP job Obama was denied access to Area 51 and Bill Clinton sent an aide to A51 (in his 2nd term ) They told the aise "Nothing to see here... onlt secret airplanes"

So either there are no Aliens  or even the Government is in the dark about them... which begs the question  WHO deos know?

[rdunk]

HOW do you KNOW this? Do you have special knowledge you care to share? Do you have PROOF? Just ONE little Alien lifeform to put on the table as it were?

BTW nice to see you back

Russo is right!! IMO Z, this is the "proof" as you requested - of course you have seen it before, but proof is proof!! This pic is even presented with a human in the same sitting position as the alien in the NASA photo, to again help with the interpretation of the alien pic.

REF: Sept 2014 OP - http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7268.0

[zorgon]

tell me what you guys think...

Looking for a few seconds at the original I can see its a large bird. Most likely a PELICAN.  If you have ever seen a Pleican fly there is no question...

I have no need to pretend I see a UFO   I would EXPECT to see birds spooked by launching and exploding rockets in that location as ALL the old videos show birds in them

It is not hard to see the flapping motion (unless you are blineded by a pathelogical need to see an Alien Spaceship.)

Now we can argue till the Cows come home (from Alpha Prime?)  or we can just accept that serious researchers can spot the difference between a bird, a flying garbage bag or an Alien space craft firing lasers at a rocket

Like THIS ONE that British press, Open Minds TV and MUFON record as a triangle UFO



No it isn't a UFO It is a hot air garbage bag balloon. IF you are any kind of serious researcher, one look at that tells you it is a balloon  The sides are curved out 9inflatted) If you don't learn to recognize common objects, how can you make judgement call of Alien ships?



Channel 7 KOAT TV knew what it was but posted the picture on Facebook asking people what they thought it was  Over 6000 replies said it was a UFO or Alien space craft  Some offered black ops triangle  only THREE people said balloon of some kind

Diamond-shaped object in sky causes stir
http://www.koat.com/news/a-black-diamondshaped-drifts-across-sky/30791750

My first thought when i saw it was to look for hot air balloons and i posted THIS one  (yes its yellow but you can see the same bulged surfaces )

It took 48 seconds on google to find out it was a hot air balloon kids science project. The next day KOAT TV 7 aired the full story... yet MUFON still records this as a UFO report..





So do you want REAL research? Or do you really believe Aliens are invading Earth in Black Triangle Garbage bags?

[zorgon]

Russo is right!! IMO Z, this is the "proof" as you requested - of course you have seen it before, but proof is proof!! This pic is even presented with a human in the same sitting position as the alien in the NASA photo, to again help with the interpretation of the alien pic.

Explain to me WHY is NASA who we all know is lying and photoshopping all their photos... showing us a photo of Aliens?

A photo is not PROOF unless it is accompanied by providence... Anyone can create anything in photos these days

I don't want "proof"  I want HARD TOUCHABLE PROOF 

[rdunk]

Explain to me WHY is NASA who we all know is lying and photoshopping all their photos... showing us a photo of Aliens?

A photo is not PROOF unless it is accompanied by providence... Anyone can create anything in photos these days

I don't want "proof"  I want HARD TOUCHABLE PROOF 

WHY is NASA not.......?     .............In this case, because NASA/JPL most likely did not see this alien. Rover Opportunity was taking pics of St. Mary's Cape from the top rim of an adjacent cape. It was a really long distance shot, and one has to do a lot with the pics to even see the detail. NASA did not see this, or they would have "taken care of it"! The majority of the pics taken of this cape on different sol days do show this ET-looking feature - (some do not.......for some reason).

[spacemaverick]

Explain to me WHY is NASA who we all know is lying and photoshopping all their photos... showing us a photo of Aliens?

A photo is not PROOF unless it is accompanied by providence... Anyone can create anything in photos these days

I don't want "proof"  I want HARD TOUCHABLE PROOF 

Now that's what I want also is hard touchable proof.    ...I don't want BS...

[spacemaverick]

http://www.spacex.com/news/2016/09/01/anomaly-updates

ANOMALY UPDATE FROM SPACE X

".....- At the time of the loss, the launch vehicle was vertical and in the process of being fueled for the test.  At this time, the data indicates the anomaly originated around the upper stage liquid oxygen tank.  Per standard operating procedure, all personnel were clear of the pad.  There were no injuries....."

CLICK THE LINK FOR REST OF THE STORY....

[RUSSO]

Probably, YES because that does not require a lot of development and people still do play card games

Exactly! Hearthstone for example is very popular.

But WHY? WHY is it hard? You look at the reports and going by what people see the skies are filled with HUNDREDS nay THOUSANDS of UFO's daily... So considering the supposed number of crashes since Roswell that crash recovery researchers go to... WHY is it so hard to find ONE SINGLE ALIEN or small piece of wreakage?

Because its too important and worth the exhaustively extreme effort by those that want you believe we are the only game in the town? Did you just once stop to think that this planet (besides what we may think its large or not) may be not be large enough and so not that difficult to manage when it goes to close the loose ends?

Remember that even with all the social medias nowadays its still the main stream media that "hit the hammer" and make the mind of the vast majority of the people. If not why would be HC still running for the POTUS place? Plausible deniability is, afterall, a creation from a 3 letter agency from your country is'n it?

So your saying these Aliens arre hostile? Hmmm well  Stephen Hawking agrees with you But if that were true and they are more superior to us... WHY haven't they just wiped us out?

What Im saying is that if you wish to get close to an alien you better be using a hamas suit, at least the lack of a suit was what killed him in that case (as you can see in that link the military that touch that bean died by generalized infection)

Yes because from the reports they are easy to catch  They crash ships all the time since Roswell, the Alien interview shows them as frail beings... so yeah  they SHOULD be easy to catch with all the military Might we have (Didn't we accidentally shoot down the Roswell craft with our radar?   So yeah Show me the Aliens  I call your bluff

All the time? This way you make it seems i can catch one in my backyard by the morning. Come on Z this is too minimalistic and you saying the MILITARY arm from the PTB can crash them is way different to the idea they will show something to you

I am tired of Jamie Maussan and Steven Greer's "Disclosure" Crap showing me fake aliens  and STILL getting paid for it

Everyone that has a minimum of concern about this field knows by now how bad and extremely damaging they are. They are getting paid because there are lots of people that WANT the easy answers the entertaining ones. They are tired too, but they are tired of the boring life they have to face to make a living, so crooks on the duty with a good story will get "paid".

This is the reality we live on, check on social medias and see how stupid people are nowadays... check the trend topics or the news the very people make popular just because they support it. What can you do if people choose that information to consume? Nothing and thats why we only will get an official answer when and only when the puppeteers agenda time is ready. That or something very unexpected and uncontrollable event come at the place.

YES!!! Exactly!!  Put it all into a blender and it comes out smelling and tasting like crap How do we know that the 'experiencers" are not just attention seekers or are having a bad trip on some bad weed?

How do we know its not the opposite? Clear of drugs and real deal?

WHY do the UFO 'researchers" and whistle blowers all attack each other's story? Shpould they not support each other?

Why not just ignore and forget this kind of people? You better than them.

Stanton Friedman never finished his degree yet goes around letting people think he is a Nuclear Scientist therefore he should be respected. Read his own bio LOL... he failed at it and went into selling UFO's  Never seen one in his life (his own admission) but his claim to fame is calling Bob Lazar a fraud.

One more motive to just ignore him.

All these guys call the other guy a liar and only their story is true... yet the simple FACT of compartmentalization proves that any and all of them could only be privy to a very small piece of the puzzle.  The rest they make up as they go... because they like the attention on the UFO circuit, so ofcourse they 'know" everything.

All 100% of the time. There is no fail in the process? Besides the work is made by humans you think the result  have always the precision of a machine? People never talk each other in those places? Every people involved in these projects are devoided of curiosity? I could go on but if there is something bigger than the human capacity of make things secure is their arrogance they have in be sure about being fail proof. See fukushima as a "small example".

John Lear calls this "UFO disease"  The pathelogical need to feed your gullible public anything they want to hear because your the supposed expert and you like the attention.

It's more like a human condition, psicology calls it histrionic personality disorder   

Actually I was there   and Robert's wife and I worked a lot on the local Charity.   No Aliens just weird creatures from another dimension

How can you be sure it was not alien in nature?

yes the Charlatans are making money...WHY? Becaue the stupid fickle public WANTS to hear what they BELIEVE to be the truth... so if you try to mess with that YOU are ostracized as the disinfo agent because you dare to challenge their reality. So what is the point of being a serious researcher if no one wants to hear what you have to offer? Look at Pegasus... it was supposed to be the cream of the crop of the real thinkers...  We barely have 20 people still posting.

I know how it works, but this not make aliens unreal, just make the society we live in dumb

Is it fair? Hell no... it would be nice to see a little recognition for the effort But since John is to ill to participate anymore there isn't much left to work with.  With everyone and their sister having good qaulity cell phone cameras these days  does it seem logical to you that NO ONE ever catches ANYTHING but obscure fuzzy objects that no one can tell what it is  yet those same cameras take excellent photos of that Bikini Babe on the beach?

So you saying there is no footage you ever put your eyes on that made you shake and say this i can't explain? Just for the start All nasa footage are ice crystals and the airbrushes, artifacts?

As to legit researchers... WHO? can you name some?  Even John only got into it to satisfy his own curiosity and he constantly changed his mind on things  so WHO is a 'legit' researcher these days?  Let's see a list

You want me to make you a list, seriously? I have a tip for you then, go for the exclusions first, you already cited some above

Obama recently gave his last (thank the Aliens ) State of the Union Speech... He bashed the military. Look at the faces of these Chief of Staff's... These guys are THE TOP military leaders of each of the armed forces. They are not happy... these guys have the power to fix everything  yet they do NOTHING except lap it up and squirm looking ready to kill someone... so WHO is running things then?

That is the last thing we will ever know. We probably will see the aliens first but not the puppeteers behind the scene. Most of their power lies in their capacity to remain unknown.

Do you think these guys do not answer anyone? They are in their position because...?

What organization has more power than any and all world governments and the Military of the strongest nation on Earth (Well maybe 2nd to Russia ) WHO controls the Alien info world wide so good that not the tiniest leak ever gets out?

It does, but its up to you to filter it. And you should have in mind that every time something is leaked a disinfo campaign starts. But you already know it, what makes me wonder why you just ignoring it 

Hell NO  Its a REBUBLIC.. a corporation... always has been. problem is the Corporation is bankrupt, both morally and financially. If trump doesn't get in and Hillary (Soro's puppet) is put in the seat, then the USA is finished

BTW Hillary promised to reveal the 'truth' about Aliens  So I guess yawl will want her in right? I mean her track record of honesty is beyond question, right?

No thanks, i dont want any more wars.

PS. You forgot to answer the other post I made before the one you replied!!!

[Pimander]

Probably because the reason for the disinformation is still active.

What would that be though?

There are plenty of hypothetical reasons to cover up alleged ET technology that benefits either the military or massively powerful money interests.  It's easy to think of plenty.  What is the reason for the military to pretend it is/has happened?

[Pimander]

I will however advise that reading the internet will never provide revelation not disclosure for you.

You need to get out in the real world and do some research of your own.

Only then will you discover some real answers for yourself.

If you've seen a craft it is unmistakable.  But talking to people is massive.  That's how I found that most of the UK sightings were not saucers.  I have not specifically looked at nuclear sites though.

[Pimander]

tell me what you guys think...

Its a bird.

[Pimander]

A used spaceship perhaps? I mean the early craft we reengineered must be in mothballs or a bone yard by now

You say that, yet you KNOW the technology for craft to operate in practical invisibility exists because you have seen more military documents than most.  Nobody can be sure.  If there is a secret space program there can also be a secret Earth program.  That does not mean there is but it is not impossible and is difficult to prove.