actually being pres was never the goal

[Phedre]

I do hope you are right Zorgon!   

[space otter]

ya know Z i do like you but i don't like your tactics on this election you are sounding much more like the vote protectors mentioned below

as a green card holder and paying no taxes and getting free medical
you just might be one of the first useless eaters tossed by this man you are promoting..a cheating, lying ego driven sexist juvenile.
sad..very sad... to go as low as he has 





Vote Protectors, the anti-voter-fraud group hosted by Donald Trump ally and political dirty trickster Roger Stone, plans to send volunteers to monitor polling places in nine cities with high minority populations on Election Day, Stone said last week. Untrained poll-watchers have intimidated voters in previous elections. But Vote Protectors is going further than its predecessors.

Stone's group created an official-looking ID badge for its volunteers to wear, and its volunteers planned to videotape voters and conduct fake "exit polls," efforts that election experts say risks intimidating and confusing voters. Or at least that's what the group was planning to do before The Huffington Post asked Stone about it on Tuesday. The controversial Trump ally, long known for his bare-knuckled political tactics, said that key proposals on his group's websites were there without his knowledge, and assured HuffPost that he would operate within the confines of election law.

Stone had initially refused to explain just how Vote Protectors planned to accomplish its goals. So on Monday, The Huffington Post responded to the group's request for additional volunteers to work as "Exit Pollers and Citizen Journalists."

Once registered, HuffPost used the site's "I.D. Badge Generator" to create this badge, which could pass for an official credential to people unfamiliar with polling signage and rules.

[rdunk]

Space Otter, do you not know or understand that the United States of America is in the process of being destroyed by the powers that be?? Well, we all should, because the demonstration of that fact has never been made more clear, over these past 8 years, and especially during this election process. Even the republican hierarchy is doing all they can to work against the Republican nominee of the people! Most everything the current administration has done has clearly been to satisfy desires to "change America" toward Obama's Marxist thoughts!

Hillary has been a genuine part of all that has happened by this administration, and she has committed to continue Obama's governing directions!! And during this contest, the true Hillary has and is becoming very clear. She should be headed to jail, not to the office of President. No reason for me to mention all of the specifics of her terrible history, as they are so publicly available.

A vote for Donald Trump is a vote to get back to heading in the right direction for our country!!

[zorgon]

as a green card holder and paying no taxes and getting free medical
you just might be one of the first useless eaters tossed by this man you are promoting..a cheating, lying ego driven sexist juvenile. [/b][/color]

not sure where you get that idea I pay my taxes just fine, though I DO use all the legal deductions I am allowed. As to free medical. I have ZERO coverage at this time thanks to Obama care and have been paying the fine for no coverage, thanks to Obama. I will be eligible for medicare in a few months but that is not free as they take that out of social security. And the extra plans are very expensive thanks to Obamara care.

Politics always causes issues between friends

But frankly I fail to understand how a good researcher like yourself can ignore all the crap lying on Hillary's doorstep

Oh well it will all be a done deal in a few weeks  so we shall see if the USA survives.

There really is very little we can do about it anyway. If the "FIX" is in then nothing we do, say or vote will change anything.

Right now the internet is full of reports of voting machines in the early voting that are CHANGING a Trump vote to a Hillary vote... Are the stories true? Don't know yet haven't had time to check... but it appears the scuttle butt is saying Soros machines are changing votes

Here are a few of the reports to check

Texas Rigged? Reports Of Voting Machines Switching Votes To Hillary In Texas
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-25/texas-rigged-first-reports-voting-machines-switching-votes-hillary-texas

CONFIRMED by Experts! Voting Machines in Maryland, Illinois Rigged to Support Democrats
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/confirmed-experts-voting-machines-maryland-illinois-rigged-support-democrats/

Ballot troubles: Long lines, vote-changing machines reported amid record-breaking early turnout
https://www.rt.com/usa/364087-ballot-troubles-early-voting/

Voters in Texas say machines changed Trump votes to Clinton, but officials call it user error
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/2016-presidential-election/2016/10/25/voters-texas-say-machines-changed-trump-votes-clinton-elections-officials-say-just-user-error

REPORT: VOTES SWITCHED FROM TRUMP TO HILLARY IN TEXAS
"She voted straight Republican and the vote had changed to Clinton!"
http://www.infowars.com/report-votes-switched-from-trump-to-hillary-in-texas/


If there is ANY truth to those reports at all then we are so screwed and there is NOTHING we can do. But right now the stories are going viral and the issue is nationwide...

I am going back to selling rocks and my medieval life   Spent a whole week and not ONE person mentioned Poly Ticks

[thorfourwinds]

[space otter]

Politics always causes issues between friends


i hate to bring this to the top again but
you are totally correct and i apologize for going personal..uncalled for
maybe you can erase my crass remarks as i go and soak my head

frustration on both sides i leading to shouting and hair pulling and scared folks as to what will happen
i should have just followed A51's lead and stayed in the music thread...he's pretty smart

while i totally still disagree with chump as a choice i should have respected everyone elses right to an opinion, weather they can vote or not...i didn't.. sorry

i'll just go back out and rake more leaves

[zorgon]

i'll just go back out and rake more leaves

No apology needed

As to leaves  I am still running my AC     I don't want to say 'Global Warming" but

[Pimander]

In a turn of events that shocked the political world and threw the presidential race into unprecedented turmoil, Donald J. Trump announced yesterday that he is quitting the race and endorsing Hillary Clinton.

Trump said the only point of his campaign was to show how stupid and gullible many Republican voters are.

"I've been a Democrat all of my adult life," Trump told a packed and boisterous news conference. "But I knew if I ran as a Republican and said increasingly ridiculous, idiotic, racist and sexist things that I would get a lot of votes."

But he said he had no idea he would be able to win the Republican nomination and poll 40 percent or better in a national race against Clinton.

"Did people really believe that I could build a wall between the U.S. and Mexico and get the Mexicans to pay for it?" Trump asked, "and that we could deport 11 million illegal aliens? That's ridiculous. How could we possibly do that?"

Trump said he wanted to show just how gullible the far-right wing was and how weak-kneed Republican leaders were.

"Even after I made racist statements about that judge and attacked a Gold Star family, the Republican leadership continued to endorse me," Trump said. "Man, what does it take to get tossed out of the Republican Party?"

He also pointed out that he had offered no real solutions to any of the country's problems and nobody, even the news media, took much notice that "there was no there there in my campaign," he said.

House Speaker Paul Ryan, while expressing shock at Trump's announcement, said, "After I thought about it a bit, I realized this made a lot more sense then the campaign he was running. The joke's on us."

Fifty-one Republicans immediately announced their candidacy to replace Trump on the ballot.

Asked if he felt any remorse about fooling so many people, Trump answered in typical Trumpian style: "No. They're all losers."

[space otter]

There's Got To Be A Morning After And Trump Thumpers Will NOT Burn Down America
10/26/2016 04:14 pm ET | Updated 4 hours ago

Lorraine Devon Wilke
Sass & Sensibility

"Are we going to be okay? Please say yes. Make a case for how we can overcome what he's doing to destroy decency, civilization and the fabric of our democracy." - posted on Facebook

I get it. I get the question. Spoken from a place of real fear and anxiety, it echoes what many Americans feel as we near the end of this interminable campaign and face the (hopeful) reality of a Trump-free world. A world in which every headline isn't about his latest scandal or verbal gaffe. A world in which we can turn on the news and not be regaled with his mangling of topics beyond his grasp. A world in which a day can go by without Trump.

Well, at least the Trump screeching hate, lies, and disrespect from red-white-and-blue election podiums, the Trump sputtering incomprehensible word salad at every campaign question; the Trump pretending to have a clue how to run the county, and certainly the Trump who's given voice to the grizzled, low-information, tunnel-visioned, privileged white voters who want America to go back to a time when unprivileged people of color just worked for them.

But like mosquitoes and taxes, we'll likely never rid ourselves of him completely. He's yet to face his day in court on rape charges and fraudulent universities; it's hinted he may launch a media endeavor to keep his name in glowing orange lights, and certainly he, his lockstep children, and other surrogates will be out hawking his now-"Scion" products and properties (he's giving up the Trump name, having discovered the brand tanked along with his presidential aspirations!). But at least he'll be off the mainstage of American politics, hopefully forever.

But what happens November 9th with his teeming, seething supporters, the cultists he's whipped into a frenzy of hate and fear? Are they takin' it to the streets, as some have threatened? Will democracy be put on hold while a petulant Trump suspends concession like a recalcitrant child? Will red-hatted minions launch a violent revolution of Trumpian proportions?

I love the media; I'm tangentially part of the media, but I gotta say: the media has done their clickbaiting, ember-stoking, fear-mongering best to whip up panic on those very questions. Every day I see more and more articles warning that white supremacists are threatening war, gun-toting "make America great again" devotees are planning coups, along with more generalized rumblings of violence and "revolution" if the sputtering man in orange does not pull out the win. To which I say:

Really?

Are the wizened old red-staters going to get out there with their hunting rifles to set the night on fire? Will ornery millennials who think it's cooly subversive to "blow up America" with a Trump vote going to march to the White House with raised fists? Can we expect the seemingly normal folks positioned behind Trump at rallies to leave their jobs and families to go to the mattresses in widespread revolt?

I don't know... I don't think so.

But, some cry, what about the KKK, the Aryan Nation; the more generalized bigots and xenophobes; the gun-thumpers, religious fundamentalists, government haters and nationalistic white folks who see Trump as their last chance to roll America back to pre-evolutionary days when gays, women, blacks, Hispanics, Muslims; anyone who is not them had zero rights and zero power? What about them? Will they riot in the streets on November 9th? Will they build coalitions of like-minded egoists to turn back time, rescind progress, and promote a caustic agenda of regression, fear, and disrespect all wrapped in a chewy layer of hate?

Again, I don't know. Maybe? But if so, we millions of contributing taxpayers have funded countless police departments, a National Guard, and a powerful military force with our taxes; I trust they'd step in if need be. We live in cities and towns that have strong street-watch programs and caring, compassionate neighbors who look out for each other; they'll set off alarms if marauding Trumpians start marching down their streets. As members of a society that promotes civility and consideration, we retain confidence in the innate human impulse to stand up against bullies, bigots, and agitators.

If, on November 9th, the disappointed red-hatters do take to the streets, I have faith that those looking for peace, harmony, and the opportunity to coalesce around progress will far outnumber the pitchfork crowd. Good people have stood up to the Westboro Baptists, the KKK, and various throngs of frenzied haters who've attempted to hijack American civil liberties throughout time. If the harangue of "there's gonna be trouble" does prove to be portentous, we will simply have to stand up to it... and peace will prevail. There's more of us than them, and we are not shy.

However else Election 2016 will be remembered, it has been a litmus test of where our fellow Americans stand on some of the most important issues of the day. The stakes have been high and the contrast never more black and white. We've learned who aligns with our worldview and who shatters it. Many have lost friends; families have been impacted, people have unfollowed, blocked, and unfriended in their fervor to stand firm beside what they believe important. It's been a bloodbath in some ways. But despite our throbbing heads, the ache of battered psyches; mouths dried from months of articulating rational thought, fact vs. fiction, compassionate dialogue, and the hope of a better future, we will survive, however this election lands.

Whatever the morning after brings — and, dear God, I hope it brings shattered ceilings and the advancement of compassionate America! — we will survive. Even if Trump unfathomably pulls it out, we will survive. We on the side of progress will simply work all the harder to activate our government system of checks and balances; continue to educate and promote higher ideals, hold our elected officials to their stated missions, be vigilant to where our society trends, and do everything in our power to make his a four-year endeavor.

But if Trump, as expected, does not win, we will celebrate madly, then get on with the task of holding our leaders to their promises, to their programs, to the progress they spoke to and we voted for, while engaging families, friends, communities, towns, and states to continue to work for positive outcomes on all the issues we've deemed essential. We will even reach out to the less rigid of Trump supporters to attempt to bring them into the fold... we're all Americans, after all, and one can hope! But it doesn't stop on November 9th; it's just the morning after and the first day of what's next. Let's be ready, enthused, and active.

And remember: we have endured many horrific events throughout our history; revolution, native genocide, slavery, civil war, world wars, poverty, depression, crime; terrorism, and we have always endured. We've survived. We've rebuilt. We will survive Election 2016. And we will transcend Trump. We are nothing if not a hearty people!




no need to post links anymore..no body checks sources ..it doesn't seem important whose mouth  the words fall out of..all things spoken and written are true

[Pimander]

I checked.  I know what the title was LOL

Just having a bit of fun with the more gullible members...

[zorgon]

no need to post links anymore..no body checks sources ..it doesn't seem important whose mouth  the words fall out of..all things spoken and written are true

Yes there is... you post the LINKY so we don't get SUED for PLAGERISM

[zorgon]

Donald Trump's Hollywood Walk Of Fame Star Vandalized With Sledgehammer



http://deadline.com/2016/10/donald-trump-hollywood-walk-of-fame-star-destroyed-vandals-1201842842/

I know who did it

It was HILLARY  and i have the picture to prove it "{

[zorgon]

This pretty much covers it

[zorgon]

http://truthfeed.com/battle-of-the-online-rallies-in-cleveland-trump-1-7-million-views-hillary-3825-views/31795/

Hillary looking a tad worse for wear here

[Pimander]

while i totally still disagree with chump as a choice i should have respected everyone elses right to an opinion, weather they can vote or not...i didn't.. sorry

They have the right to be wrong.  You're right so chill out.