Do we need police training reform?

[petrus4]

After seeing another story on Reddit's /r/conspiracy about police brutalising civilians at Standing Rock, I've found myself starting to wonder about the modern training program that police must undergo, after initial recruitment.  It made me speculate that perhaps said training is deliberately intended to induce post traumatic stress disorder, in order to cause police to be more willing to engage in extreme violence towards their fellow human beings.

The reason why I've had this thought, is because the sort of brutality that I've consistently been seeing from police over the last ten to fifteen years, is nowhere close to normal human behaviour.  I am beginning to think that there may be an administrative agenda to not only desensitise police to the commission of horrific violence, but to also render them immune to any attempts at either rational or emotional appeal that civilian protesters at events such as Standing Rock, may make.

If I am right about this, then it also means that resentment or negative emotion directed towards police is inappropriate, because in reality, they are also victims themselves.  They are being abused first, and they are being taught to pass that abuse on to others.  We need to find a way to prevent the relevant, corrupt authorities from continuing that campaign.

If anyone can find any evidence in support of this theory, it would be appreciated.

[robomont]

2 that i can think of.
Fighting in training causing head trauma.
Radar guns long running effects on brain.

[RUSSO]

Do we need police training reform?

It already happened. After the modern age of false flags post 9/11 we got the police militarisation. Remember boston?
The psyop slogan immediately throwed at people, "Boston strong"? Well people letting police invade their houses without a warrant was everything but strong. Boston was a glimpse of what you see today.



Is the person that choose the police path guilty? Well we always have a choice, see what snowden did. Now, i guess they have a very accurate profile to pick people to the job, if i am correct. And that may be the core of the problem.

Maybe Im just depressed by the way I see things being unfold but to me, there is a very specific/calculated agenda being followed.

[Irene]

If people hated your guts and made no secret of it, if people called you rotten names all the time, if people refused to cooperate with you in the simplest manner when asked for identification, if people spat on you and fought with you for no good reason, if your superiors told you not to enforce the law in order to appease rioters, if people were just plain s****y to you because they resent what you represent you'd probably have a crappy attitude too.

There is a fundamental misunderstanding amongst the public about what police are required to do and how they are required to do it.

The general public hasn't got a clue what goes on in these subcultures. These men and women are allowed to retire early because of the extreme stress they endure every day for years. This includes prison guards. On average, they die within five years of retirement, which is usually around 55 to 60.

Addressing specific statements -

Militarization: Necessary due to the adversarial nature of the modern criminal and the presence of terrorism and advanced weaponry on the streets. Legally, police are allowed to use force one step higher than the perp(s).

Training: Police are not trained to be deliberately abusive. They spend a lot of time in the classroom on arrest, search, and seizure, studying statutes. They learn how to defend themselves with various weapons and their own bodies. They learn how to drive. They learn ethics, techniques for dealing with juveniles and the mentally ill and a million other things like first aid and CPR.

The media is responsible for hyping isolated incidents and always depicting them in the worst light. I believe the media is largely responsible for much of the violence we see related to these cases. Their altruism is a lie.

As regards the apparent aggressiveness of the police, I challenge you to participate in a high speed chase, a foot chase, wrestle with one or more suspects, or be shot at and instantly turn off the rush of adrenaline that has helped you focus on survival. It ain't happenin'.

The public wants perfection from its street warriors, but isn't prepared to expect it of themselves in their interactions with the police, et al. This is the worst kind of hypocrisy.

Treat others as you want to be treated yourself. Be a respectable citizen in your interaction with public officials. You'll find they will professionally reciprocate.

[robomont]

irene,
i totally disagree,radio towerhands,crane operators,folks on scaffolding have way riskiers jobs,get paid less,get no gratitude or parade for their work.
they dont use radio survellience gear to stalk and harass people like certain  underclass in this country are abused by religiously.

nurses also have more dangerous jobs than cops,ill take a car chase over a meth head covered in sores any day.

and whats with the drug war?
not enough robbers and thieves?
time to step down if you are too stupid to realize the drug war is illegal,and an illegal law!

[Irene]

No comment.   

Except . . .

No one is threatening to and assassinating/executing the people you mentioned.

If you've never worn a uniform then you have no idea what it's like.

[robomont]

what really shocked me was i missed the last year of southpark and just got the whole season,the season is called pc police.its even pointing out police issues throughout.very enlightening even though i think sp slacked some in last years season.cops shooting kids,beating up blacks,chief getting fired and rehired twice.and most admirably,how much political correctness is enough or too much?
an issue im very well experienced in ,as a forum troll of sorts.

[robomont]

No comment.   

Except . . .

No one is threatening to and assassinating/executing the people you mentioned.

If you've never worn a uniform then you have no idea what it's like.

every day a man works is a day of his life at a certain value,when a man is fined,its a form of death for that day was fruitless.cops issue death every day.how do you kill a tiger,one bite at a time .man is not perfect but cops expect us to be or threaten us with death,who drew first blood i ask?

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

If you don't like the law, then change it. Until then follow the law or we become lawless and I'm sure everybody wants that, right?...

When somebody steals your car, what call the police? of course not.....
When somebody assaults you, what call the police? of course not.....
When somebody is breaking into your home, what call the police? of course not.....

They are human beings and as such are imperfect.....

Rock 

[robomont]

www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-oakland-sex-scandal-20160613-snap-story.html

when politicians cheat the law,their is no law,53% of the population want weed legal,florida tried dragging their heels and got it legal 2 years later.
texas governor had complete legalization on his desk and wouldnt sign it then months later passed hate speach agsinst cops law.texas law is a joke.
i got 10 cops fired in last 6 months .and turned in a serial killer.
and im a FELON,yea cops need training,so does a texas district attorny and a governor,but i cant be everywhere and not get paid for my services either.

some of us are above the law,ie my signature.

[astr0144]

In some ref to some Police not acting as well as maybe they should..or them being too aggressive etc..

Alex Jones claimed that the corrupt system was deliberately recruiting certain  types of Personalities who maybe were more like that and who maybe normally would not had made the expected grade that they used to require...He even suggested that they were replacing of many of the more Honest good Cops..

Is it to show a more overall aggressive presence, Maybe...

But that maybe was when he was suggesting that Martial Law was likely to be brought in...

I wonder if there maybe some changes to counter this now that Donald trump is in power ? but it will take time to alter.

It is concerning if Police do now seem to have a much more fearful presence ...and that they may tend to over react with too much aggression..

but I also am aware of the dangers of the job and fears that they have to deal with day to day that many of us could not deal with.

Is society also overall much more a dangerous place for them to have to deal with ? that has also made them act more aggressive..
at some stages , maybe so...

But also a LOT of Fear may have been installed into Society created by the NWO...and it may still be a ploy by them to try to put more fear and control into us all and have a more fearful Police Presence..


I know some Companies will employ more dominant aggressive bully type Personalities and put them in supervisor / manager rolls... and they also use some fear tactics to get them to be the ones who command over the general workforce to get them to work at higher rates or to do things in a way that many employees may resent.  Many average employees dare not question them...
and if they do they maybe seen as trouble makers..and have their cards marked...

It probably does get results using fear tactics in many businesses...

I still think often its law of the jungle and down to pecking order as to where many folk stand...and down to fate and luck as to where one stands or what type our personalities maybe to deal with it...
and its still similar to being controlled by many fear tactics other than we no longer have to face the whip or hangman...

[Irene]

It does take a certain kind of person to do the job and I admit to observing some perverse and disturbing behavior, but I have observed those same behaviors in the general population as well.

After 30 years working in various areas of law enforcement with various agencies, I can honestly say only three incidents stick with me as having been wrong. All of them were psychological in nature and a direct result of personalities warped by the job.

The job changes you. The abuse I spoke of in the first paragraph in my initial post in this thread changes you. When I started in the business I was a babe in the woods. When I retired I was a battle-hardened cynic who trusted no one and, for the most part, that is what I still am.

You cannot send people to war and expect them to return from battle unscathed.

I have PTSD. My body failed me from the years of extreme stress and physicality required by the job. I am not the person I was.

The job destroyed me. I started in the Explorers at 16, so you know how long I lasted, how long I struggled towards my career goals. I didn't quite make it.

The job kills, and what it doesn't kill it rots from the inside out.

I don't know why it is, but the public does not extend the street warrior the same understanding as it does the military warrior. We are doing the same job on two different battlefields with two somewhat different sets of rules.

[robomont]

explorer here too,vice president of arrowhead district and vp of local club.had a blast.

the major problem is the up front training.its usually a x military whose mind is already gone.

the second is constitutional law,live it.state law takes a back seat to it.

third,grow a set and use them against your leadership to the exact same standards with even more scrutiny.

give up stingray or never get a tittle of respect.this is a foundation stone.

guns are for goons,not needed.anything can be talked down with patience , respect and or intelligence.
i know,had many a gun in my face.

last the state needs to forgive or dont expect citizens too.as corporations are now persons,cops are mercenaries working for a person,this person should be held accountable for every iota.would you let mcdonalds murder citizens without closing them down?
the states need to reevaluate their positions as they are all on weak ground right now ,as far as law goes.

[Irene]

There is nothing wrong with the training. If anything, officers should get more time covering certain aspects of the training.

LE does follow the Constitution and Miranda, et al. Believe me, we live and breathe law. There are circumstances where mistakes are made. We are human beings.

The problem is that we aren't allowed to be human. We are expected to be superhuman, to get everything we do absolutely right.

Life doesn't work that way.

There is no way I'm going to face down a heavily armed gang or drug dealer or domestic with a baton. That there is outright stupidity and I don't do stupidity.

Regarding the forgiveness you requested, you misunderstand the purpose of the police and confuse them with the judiciary. LE has the heavy responsibility of enforcing the law. It is up to the judicial branch to interpret it.

Flippant judges make our job harder by being lenient. Many innocent people have paid the price for forgiveness from the bench and LE has been repeatedly put in harm's way because of it.

[The Seeker]

Irene, I commend you and thank you for your years of dedicated service; right now my daughter in law is a deputy sheriff, my son in law is a gunny in the corps, and one of my good friends is a swat team member and detective lieutenant 



Seeker