The depressing tidal wave of white supremacy

[ArMaP]

for most of the last 40 years the blatant rascists in this country are black, not white; for 40+ years we have had to endure affirmative action which means if you are not black you do not get hired no matter how qualified you are, and any ignorant dumbass of african descent will, whether they can chew bubble gum and walk at the same time much less have any job skills or even education beyond signing their name...

I think the problem is a result of people in the US being (apparently) too extremist in every thing. Yes, there was a big racism problem in the US against black people, but forcing things in the opposite way is not the best way of ending that racism. Every problem I see being discussed in the US ends in this type of "solution": it's either forbidden or almost forced into people, as if there was no other way of introducing changes.

the white population of the US is still over 70% of the total; the percentage of the population that are actually avowed white supremacists is less than one percent; the majority of we the people are honest working people and are very acceptable and tolerant of all people;

That's what they say about Muslims, the small percentage of extremists is what other people talk about, the large majority of people that just want to live their lives in peace is ignored.

the problem herein stems from points of view from people not living in this country; my suggestion is to bring your highly opinionated ass over here and live in a city like Chicago, or Atlanta, Detroit, spend about 6 months dealing with life here instead of your homeland then voice your opinion from your own personal experience; until then, you are not qualified.

The same thing applies to people from the US giving their opinions about other countries as if they knew them, when some cannot even find them on a world map... 

PS: as some of you probably know, Portugal was a colonialist country, with five African colonies (and East Timor) until 1975. Black people in the colonies were considered as second class people, but that way of thinking was not used in Portugal. When those colonies declared their independence, the places where they had a bigger difference between the treatment of black people and white people were the places that had the worst reactions, with some white people being killed by black people, but those that were known for always having been good to black people were protected by their black neighbours. Those ex-colonies (Angola and Mozambique) were also the biggest and, in consequence, the ones where white people represented a smaller percentage of the population, so that's probably why the repression of black people was stronger, as the governing powers probably acted that way to keep black people from feeling equal to the white rulers.

Although we have some racism problems in Portugal (this year I heard a school teacher saying that sometimes, when they are trying to find companies for their students to have some practice of what they learned in the professional courses, the company owners ask what race the students are, because that school is in an area known for having a higher percentage of black people, being in a low income area of the suburbs), it's far from what we see in the US, from both sides, as there's not that "us versus them" mentality between black and white people. We see that mentality used more between different classes than between different races.

To finish my "little" rant, white supremacists are as dangerous as any other supremacists, regardless of race, religion or whatever, as that's just another way of diving the people and creating enemies from people that have no reason for being enemies.

[ArMaP]

So NOW girls in Iran look like THIS and looking at those eyes they don't look to happy either

That photo shows women from Ahmedabad, in India, as you can see here.

As for Sharia Law  That would give you THIS

The US also has death penalty for murder.

And these  "The masked women of Iran"

The boreghehs has been in use on the south of Iran far longer than the Ayatollah's rule.

[Irene]

Dear ArMaP,

I think the problem is a result of people in the US being (apparently) too extremist in every thing.

Until you have lived in the United States and dealt with the American black you will never understand the dynamic.

Regarding extreme Islam, I don't think our attitudes are out of line. It is a prehistoric religion and will never be anything else as it is interpreted by its radical members. These people are barely out of the cave.

[ArMaP]

Until you have lived in the United States and dealt with the American black you will never understand the dynamic.

The sentence you quoted is my opinion, based on thousands of posts of people from the US that I have read in the last 12 years (since I joined my first Internet forum) and on discussions I have had during the same time frame, and, as I said, applies to all topics, as it's my opinion about how people in the US react to everything and is not limited to the race situation.

As to "understanding the dynamic", could you be more specific?

Regarding extreme Islam, I don't think our attitudes are out of line. It is a prehistoric religion and will never be anything else as it is interpreted by its radical members. These people are barely out of the cave.

The problem is not the attitudes regarding extreme Islam, is the fact that those attitudes are (usually) presented against all Islam and not just regarding extreme Islam.

All extreme views of religion are a problem. In fact, extreme views of any thing are usually a problem.

[Irene]

As to "understanding the dynamic", could you be more specific?

It doesn't matter that slavery ended in 1865.

It doesn't matter that contemporary whites had/have nothing to do with slavery.

It doesn't matter that the last slave died decades ago.

It doesn't matter that we have Affirmative Action and dozens of other organizations and programs specifically for assisting the black community.

It doesn't matter that we've apologized ad nauseam and are gridlocked at the altar of MLK and Malcolm X.

If you are white, you owe the black.

It is the Planet Guilt on Atlas' shoulders. As long as we are in its gravitational pull nothing will improve.

[ArMaP]

If you are white, you owe the black.

That's exactly what I was talking about when I talked about the extreme views people have in the US. In this specific case, you are either black or white. If you are black you are a victim, if you are white you are responsible for all the wrong black people suffered decades ago.

[Eighthman]

I love the sheer BS of the corrupt, lying mass media.

I clearly recall the jubilation when Obama was elected.  EU newspapers editorialized about how wonderful the US example was.  Millions of white people voted for him.

Now, a different story emerges.  Suddenly, after such highlighted improvement, the US has a problem with racism. It's everywhere and can never be rooted out.  Democrats divide up nice aggrieved voting blocs for identity politics yet somehow, Republicans are evil if they do the same.

The west is cursed with a cultural idiocy wherein every aspect of nationalism is criticized or compromised while the Elite responsible have no idea how to create prosperity.  And they wonder why people are upset?

[Irene]

I love the sheer BS of the corrupt, lying mass media.

I clearly recall the jubilation when Obama was elected.  EU newspapers editorialized about how wonderful the US example was.  Millions of white people voted for him.

Now, a different story emerges.  Suddenly, after such highlighted improvement, the US has a problem with racism. It's everywhere and can never be rooted out.  Democrats divide up nice aggrieved voting blocs for identity politics yet somehow, Republicans are evil if they do the same.

The west is cursed with a cultural idiocy wherein every aspect of nationalism is criticized or compromised while the Elite responsible have no idea how to create prosperity.  And they wonder why people are upset?

Race relations under Obama sharply deteriorated. He took every opportunity to divide the nation along racial lines.

His legacy is that he is a reverse racist.

[zorgon]

That's what they say about Muslims, the small percentage of extremists is what other people talk about, the large majority of people that just want to live their lives in peace is ignored.

That is true... an I personally know many muslims that are very nice people and muslim women that don't wear any head covering   My Morrocan friend Samira (now living in Paris in the Morrocan sector)  is one   That is Samira on the left  a true Berber gal



Some people say that the Radical percentage is 19%.. I have no way to chack the figures... but if even only 1% are radicals intent on wiping us off the face of the earth, there are 1.6 billion muslims in the world  That means at the low estimate of 1% you have 1.6 MILLION radicals ready to blow themselves up in the name of Allah

So if we are not vigilant, they WILL infiltrate us... and violence will follow

But the problem is that the PEACEFUL MAJORITY do NOTHING  That has always been the problem..

Bridgette gabrial spells it out  and gets a standing ovation. The way this American Muslim girl injected into the issue and got dressed down is awesome. If all our politcians thought and acted like this we would be a great nation again

[zorgon]

That photo shows women from Ahmedabad, in India,

It probably does  The Burkah ois not only worn in Iran But it came up in a search for Burhah in Iran and I did not need to verify its source to make a point

Stop picking NITS and derailing the focus

The US also has death penalty for murder.

Perhaps... but we don't whip people to near death because they are atheists, like the Saudis do (who seem to be the head of human rights at the UN )

The boreghehs has been in use on the south of Iran far longer than the Ayatollah's rule.

What is your point?  My point is that such accoutermenst were almost GONE from Iran in the 70's under the Shaw  (he was no saint either ) and were brough back under the Ayatollah's rule setting social development back to the dark ages. Of COURSE they were used before...  you tend to have an annoying habit of skirting around the focus and picking on specific examples used merely to illustrate a point

Okay so how about this one? THIS one is in Iran. Happy now? 



Iran's Female Zorro Beats Up Clerics Who Scold Women for "Immodest" Clothing!
https://forsythstories.com/2012/11/13/irans-female-zorro-beats-up-clerics-who-scold-women-for-immodest-clothing/

[Irene]

That. Is. Hilarious.

She beat the crap out of them and left them in their women's underwear, well, one dude anyway.

You can't make this stuff up.   

Whoever she is, she's awesome!

[ArMaP]

It probably does  The Burkah ois not only worn in Iran But it came up in a search for Burhah in Iran and I did not need to verify its source to make a point

It's true, you do not need to verify your sources to make a point, but you look bad when you do not do it. After all, isn't this supposed to be a research forum?

Stop picking NITS and derailing the focus

Get the correct image to make your point and I will stop, as long as you post images that do not represent what you want to say I will pick on them, as that's the same as using fake evidence.

Perhaps... but we don't whip people to near death because they are atheists, like the Saudis do (who seem to be the head of human rights at the UN )

You were talking about Iran, now you talk about Saudi Arabia. As you know, they are not the same.

What is your point?  My point is that such accoutermenst were almost GONE from Iran in the 70's under the Shaw  (he was no saint either ) and were brough back under the Ayatollah's rule setting social development back to the dark ages.

They weren't, the boregheh is a traditional piece on that region of Iran, mostly on the island of Qeshm.

Of COURSE they were used before...  you tend to have an annoying habit of skirting around the focus and picking on specific examples used merely to illustrate a point

As I said above, use the right images to illustrate your point and I'll stop picking on them. The fact is that women didn't have to use the boregheh because of the Ayatollah's, they already used them, so what's your point?

Okay so how about this one? THIS one is in Iran. Happy now? 

Are you sure they aren't Jewish women wearing frumkas? 


The fact is that women in Iran do not need to cover their face, that's why almost all women you see in photos from Iran are using only a scarf to cover their hair. Also, they should not have their harms and legs uncovered, and the men shouldn't have their legs uncovered.

[ArMaP]

You can't make this stuff up.   

The story is partially true, but the photo is from Iraq, completely unrelated to the story, as you can see here.

Here's confirmation of one attack on a Muslim cleric.

[zorgon]

It's true, you do not need to verify your sources to make a point, but you look bad when you do not do it. After all, isn't this supposed to be a research forum?

Not the same at all  Using a generic photo to add a visual to a story is not at all the same as fake news... the point is they now wear Burkahs  one Burkah looks the same as any other Burkah so it is simply an illustration

However spending several posts pick on the illustration rather than focusing on the POINT that in the 70's Iran was a better place just does more to drail a topic than help it

Media does it all the time when there is no photo to a specific story  They are called STOCK PHOTOS...

[The Seeker]

Armap, quit quibbling  I knew a bunch of Iranian students back in the 70's when I was attending college, and trust me, they had a lot better life then than they do now, have known quite a few over the years that have escaped and are citizens here; they hated the assahola Khomeni and a lot celebrated his passing...

The sad part about it is Under Muslim tenets and Sharia Law women are not citizens with freedom and rights, they are Slaves...
Not to mention that slavery is alive and well in the middle east...

Seeker