Theresa May 'orders cyberwar' on Russia's spy
Seems that their is still issues in the UK over the Russian Poisoning claims..
in which Putin claims he knows nothing about it...
The UK now claim that they have prove it was Russia that did it...
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Theresa May 'orders cyberwar' on Russia's spy network as she calls UN security meeting.
Theresa May has vowed to take on Russia's spy network as she called an emergency UN security meeting amid reports Britain is preparing for cyberwarfare.
It comes after two Russians were charged with carrying out the Salisbury Novichok poisonings in a dramatic breakthrough in the major investigation.
Pointing the finger at Vladimir Putin, the Prime Minister made clear the attack was "not a rogue operation" and was "almost certainly" approved at a senior level of state.
Mrs May will update the UN Security Council today on the next steps after she briefed Donald Trump and delivered her statement in the Commons.
Whitehall sources told the Times newspaper that cyberwar will almost certainly play a part in the UK's retaliation against Russia's spy network.
Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov — believed to be aliases — are accused of the attempted murder of former Russian spy Sergei Skripal, his daughter Yulia and Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey.
Police said they believe the pair flew into Gatwick two days before the attack, when they checked into an east London hotel. They then are said to have travelled to Salisbury to carry out a reconnaissance mission, and the attack itself the following day.
They used a specially adapted counterfeit Nina Ricci perfume bottle to smear the nerve agent on the door of Mr Skripal's home, officers said.
No charges have been brought over the death of Dawn Sturgess or the poisoning of Charlie Rowley. This is because police still have to establish how the perfume bottle reached the charity bin where Mr Rowley believes he found it.
The Russians flew back to Moscow out of Heathrow on the night of the poisoning. A series of CCTV images were released showing the men at both London airports, in Bow, and in Salisbury, as counterterrorism officers set out the most conclusive evidence so far of Russian involvement.
Although Mrs May did not explicitly blame the Kremlin for authorising the attempted assassination, senior Conservatives directly accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of approving the operation.
Commons Foreign Affairs Committee chairman Tom Tugendhat said there was "no doubt it was state ordered and President Putin bears responsibility for a war-like act".
The charge d'affaires at Russia's London embassy was summoned to the Foreign Office for a dressing-down by an official following Mrs May's statement on Wednesday.
Britain called the meeting of the United Nations Security Council – of which Russia is a permanent member – for today.
Mrs May spoke by phone with US President Mr Trump on Tuesday night and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Wednesday. She is expected to speak to other leaders over the next few days as she seeks to forge an international alliance for further action.
The Prime Minister told MPs the UK would push for new sanctions against Russians responsible for cyber attacks, additional listings under the existing regime and promised to work with intelligence allies to "counter the threat posed by the GRU".
Former GRU officer Mr Skripal and his daughter Yulia were left critically ill after being exposed to the military grade nerve agent Novichok in March.
Metropolitan Police Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu also confirmed that officers have now linked the attack on the Skripals to events in nearby Amesbury four months later.
In the second incident, Dawn Sturgess, 44, and her partner Charlie Rowley, 45, were exposed to the same nerve agent used in Salisbury.
Ms Sturgess died in hospital in July, just over a week after the pair fell ill.
Mr Basu said: "We do not believe Dawn and Charlie were deliberately targeted, but became victims as a result of the recklessness in which such a toxic nerve agent was disposed of."
The charges relate to the first incident, but Mr Basu said officers continue to liaise with the CPS regarding the poisoning of Mr Rowley and Ms Sturgess.
Police also released an image of a counterfeit perfume bottle after tests found it contained a "significant amount" of Novichok.
Mr Rowley told officers he found a box he thought contained perfume in a charity bin on June 27.
Three days later he got some of the contents on himself, while Ms Sturgess applied some of the substance to her wrists.
Mr Basu said the manner in which the bottle and packaging was adapted makes it a "perfect cover" for smuggling the weapon into the country.
But he added: "We don't yet know where the suspects disposed of the Novichok they used to attack the door, where Dawn and Charlie got the bottle that poisoned them, or if it is the same bottle used in both poisonings."
Providing an in-depth update on the complex investigation, Mr Basu said the suspects spent two nights at a hotel in east London and made a suspected "reconnaissance" trip to Salisbury the day before the Skripals were poisoned.
http://www.webtopnews.com/theresa-may-orders-cyberwar-on-russias-spy-report-9832-2018/
Hi Astro, (not having a go at you with the below btw)
So one of my problems with this is why would Russian agents choose a nerve agent that would be identified as a Russian manufactured Nerve agent ?.. which I understand to be a binary type agent -
I mean, really?.. also the photo images, specialist Russian agents don't know that the UK has the highest ratio of CCTV to population in any western country ?? and they go about their business of taking a hit out on the Skripals whilst making sure that they are seen on how many CCTV camera's?.. wouldn't Russia use sleeper agents embedded in the UK to take out their targets? - I am no spymaster, but for me there are some really basic errors in the planning and execution of this...
I totally get that they used radioactive material to take out Litvinenko - that I do believe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko
Who gains from a False Flag attack against the Skripals??..
As for ordering a cyberwar.. cmon?.. who advertises that ?
Cheers,
Fans'
Agreed it makes no sense... Why go through all that when simply knifing the guy would have seemed more like a mugging gone bad. Tactically I can't see the Russians making that bad of a blunder.
Hi Fans,
I posted it on short notice due to an internet problem that i have...
I thought that maybe the story may have appeared quite a concern...
I only recently seen the story on TV and have not as yet studied the details in full depth as yet......
Yes it has every chance of being a false flag Alex Jones type suggestion...
which I am very much aware about...
I just thought it was worth posting... as what may develop from it...
I have a feeling this and the Trump STormy Daniels case.... could create some unexpected surprises...
One suggestion being that could end Trump as President...which may create some chaos..
But they may just be suggestions that I have not really considered in depth enough as yet.... but the story was main news a few weks ago, but seems to have since gone quiet....
I am asking myself what is her agenda... or is she working on behalf of Hillary !
I just feel with the lead up to brexit and other things going on... something may soon occur...to further disturb the wasps nest...with a series of issues to distract us all..
This is based on some Cycles that I have in the stock market that may see it decline if it dont recover to new highs by end of Month...
At the Moment the Stock market topped into a main cycle that I have...and I have another betwen Sept 21st to Oct 4th...
which suggest if tops occur... that it could go down....But I did think the market would possible remain strong into March 2019..
Gold found a nice low around August 15th/16... that I am wondering if it could rally from that low level... I await to see if it breaks a high point made Early Sept after it had rallied quite severe after the August 16th low.. It may react again about Sept 21st IMO..
If Something bad happened with Trump.. the Stock market could decline quite severe...
It may also be part of a plan to bring Russia into the equation...
Its just a feeling that I have..based on various things that are recently occurring..
Quote from: fansongecho on September 06, 2018, 10:37:58 PM
Hi Astro, (not having a go at you with the below btw)
So one of my problems with this is why would Russian agents choose a nerve agent that would be identified as a Russian manufactured Nerve agent ?.. which I understand to be a binary type agent -
I mean, really?.. also the photo images, specialist Russian agents don't know that the UK has the highest ratio of CCTV to population in any western country ?? and they go about their business of taking a hit out on the Skripals whilst making sure that they are seen on how many CCTV camera's?.. wouldn't Russia use sleeper agents embedded in the UK to take out their targets? - I am no spymaster, but for me there are some really basic errors in the planning and execution of this...
I totally get that they used radioactive material to take out Litvinenko - that I do believe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko
Who gains from a False Flag attack against the Skripals??..
As for ordering a cyberwar.. cmon?.. who advertises that ?
Cheers,
Fans'
Thanks for your comment E113.
From what you say... admittedly those attacks could have been done by other means.
So What maybe the agenda with the suggested Poisionings...
That also seems a mystery to me... as this has gone on for weeks... as they still have Police doing reseach at the locations where the poisonings occurred..
Why would who ever make up the Poisioning suggestions as a False Flag...
From what I understood on the TV... it suggested the the UK Govt have found out that the attackers were from Russia...and have managed to track down their flights and I think they suggest that they are some sort of known Spies maybe by Mi6..
If there was some truths to this... as they suggest... then they are saying Putin would know...
Or is this just something to make the British Public fear something else or allow them to bring in further surveillence... or security checks ?
I have not as yet looked to see what Alex Jones make of it..
on a quick search I cannot find anything from him.
Quote from: Ellirium113 on September 06, 2018, 11:31:54 PM
Agreed it makes no sense... Why go through all that when simply knifing the guy would have seemed more like a mugging gone bad. Tactically I can't see the Russians making that bad of a blunder.
Hi Astro,
I get where you are coming from, the whole Brexit is a cluster-f*** - it is apparent to me that even though we have had a democratic vote, there will be something that stops us from leaving the EU, I cant say what it is justa feeling in my waters' buddy, I have said it for a longtime now, either the Tory negotiators really are as toothless and useless as they appear with the EU or ... it is deliberate to create and propagate more "fear-porn" for the sad sacks who follow lamestream media - :-[
RE Trump and the whole "quite resistance" op-ed to the NY Times, and his forthcoming impeachment if that is to happen, but why impeach him?.. jobs have been added and the jobless remains around 3.4% if the news is to be believed, why would the puppet masters remove him, he keeps everyone around the world on their toes, with his constant need to start a fight with someone over anything -
Also it has been 10 years since a market crash / adjustment, surly the top 1% must make moves soon to cream off their billions and once again create a global reset that puts the remaining 99% back to our lives of austerity - "give them just enough money to live on" was a quote I read somewhere recently , it may have been a Jim Marrs quote but maybe not, anyway it seemed apt -
Back to the Skripals and the poisoning, if it was a FF who benefits from stirring up more tensions with the UK and Russia? we have had a poor relationship with them since the Litvinenco death - but still we allow oligarchs to come to the UK and park their billions into housing and other schemes - they talk about "we will up the sanctions" but to date I have not seen one item of what the "sanctions" are in the past and at present, so there does seem to me to be a bit of phoney-war going on with us and the Russkies' -
Again I cant point to why I believe that but just a hunch - so who benefits if it was a False Flag??.. we don't.. China??.. Israel ???.. the USofA??
Keep posting your info Astro it makes for a fascinating picture/story buddy :) :)
Cheers!
Fans' 8) :)
Quote from: Ellirium113 on September 06, 2018, 11:31:54 PM
Agreed it makes no sense... Why go through all that when simply knifing the guy would have seemed more like a mugging gone bad. Tactically I can't see the Russians making that bad of a blunder.
Because the killing was a message and they wanted it to be very clear who did it. It was no blunder.
sorry I didn't put the link in about the US jobs information - here it is.
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/405510-august-jobs-report?userid=299139
Cheers,
Fans'
Fans, Astro, the demonrat liberal left has been calling for Trump's impeachment since the day after he won the election ::) all the news media here in the states is controlled by the left, so good luck with getting any factual info that amounts to anything...
::)
Thanks Seeker :)
Is Bezoz, the Amazon Boss not a Major shareholder in The Washington Post??.. I thought he would be a Republican ??.. maybe? and don't the CIA have people (Woodward being one working their?)
Anyhoo, been thinking a lot about the Skripals, and on thing not mentioned by MSM is how the Russkies knew where the Skripals where living and under what name ??.. surely when he defected and became a UK agent he would have been given a false identity ?? if not then he was more than dumb, if was given a false id and new legend, the security services either gave him up as he was no longer useful or they have a leak in their system -
So looking at the means, motive and opportunity facets of the case, who had the means?? the motive and opportunity ??
Also did the MSM release the information on where the so called assassins stayed??.. any confirmed info on their visas and passports ??.. car hire , taxi information ??? and route to and from Salisbury ?? oh and point and time of egress from the country ??
Hhhmmmm.... :o ??? ::)
Quote from: Pimander on September 07, 2018, 09:20:54 PM
Because the killing was a message and they wanted it to be very clear who did it. It was no blunder.
Agreed, Pimander; I was contemplating posting about there being 2 schools of thought on this, it either being very deliberately done to get the message out to not play games, or that someone really bungled it;
I see it as being the first one
8)
I do not think it was the Russians. The reason is: Coalition forces have seen their CIA/MI6/MOSSAD based terrorist assets being borderline eradicated in Syria. The entire OPS program has been exposed and no one can deny these factions are backing the terrorists. The only REAL war on terrorists is being fought by the Syrian army along with Russians. The entire coalition is looking for a way to stop this from happening and save their ISIS mercenary army. Any reason at all they can find Russia to blame for any sort of incident they will use any power at their disposal to punish Russia and try and make Putin submit. Not going to happen so the game escalates. The finding of the alleged Russian agents just so happen to coincide with the utter defeat of these terrorists. Coincidence?
The op was exposed and Trump had threatened to first attack the Syrian army if they used Chemical weapons again. Russia exposed the false flag op that they were setting up and they had to abort that operation. So then Trump simply threatened them if they attacked Idlib province. Since the coalition can not justify this attack in defense of their terrorist assets they must hit back in some other fashion. This chess game has been going on for a long time.
Bengazi and the Libya story - well worth a watch, but please do move it if you think it should be in a different area Admin type peeps' - I thought it might add to the Syria & Russia vs the West/Israel story -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vUJSvynuxw :o :o
Quote from: fansongecho on September 08, 2018, 07:58:35 AM
Anyhoo, been thinking a lot about the Skripals, and on thing not mentioned by MSM is how the Russkies knew where the Skripals where living and under what name ??.. surely when he defected and became a UK agent he would have been given a false identity ??
He didn't defect. He was a Russian spy that was arrested in Moscow for being a double agent, and sentenced to 13 years. He was released some time later when he was included (by request from the UK) in a spy exchange between the US and Russia. As he was released by Russian authorities there was no need for any special protection.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Skripal
Hi ArMaP, he was a double agent, IE turned by the British when he was Russian Intelligence Officer - agreed that he served time and part of a spy swap - and kept giving the UK information after his swap, so going to my point he must have been as dumb as rock not getting a change of identity and a new legend when he came back to the UK after the swap and kept giving out intel on Russia.
You dont have to be George Smiley to realise that the Russians retaliate on traitors even when given so called pardons by then Russian President Medvedve - however, if the Russians did go after, and try and terminate with extreme prejudice the Skripals and not at all being bothered about any collateral damage in doing so (the Police Sgt and Dawn Sturgess and Charlie Rowley)
Yes I agree that they the Russians did send a very strong message IF IT WAS THEM, but what is going to happen in the future when there will be more than likely much needed spy swaps -
Isnt the above action going to force the hand of the UK Intel services to change completely the way they support EX-Spies who are still assets in any exchange program ? and therefor make it harder for the Russians to monitor those EX-Spies?
Action / reaction -
Also I went back and watched this video again - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wffo7kig-kI&t=3149s
and the guys on there made mention of some bad actors from GCHQ / MI6 who appear to have been at least meddling with President Elect and later Pres Trump's campaign in the very start of his running for office, just like the US has a deep state
I would not be at all surprised if there are not elements of the UK Intel Services that have their very own agenda that is not aligned with our present Prime Minister / Govt' and as I have said before I would not be at all surprised if the attack on the Skripals was a false flag against to Russians' and our Govt have been manipulated into thinking it was the Russians - to what end ?.. I dont see a clear picture as yet - :-\
Recall Weopons of Mass distruction and David Kellys death ?? where did that Intel come from?, who furnished the UK Govt with the so called WMD Dossier ?? .. what took the UK to war with the US against Iraq
UK people protested against it and some 30 millions across the globe did also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush–Blair_2003_Iraq_memo
Cheers,
Fans'
Just in case it isnt clear with the above, my point(s) being that False Flags seem to be a fav way of the Intelligence services across the globe of initiating wars and conflicts that most Govt's dont really want to become involved in - :( >:(
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/08/europe/gru-russian-intelligence-skripal-intl/index.html
Quote from: Ellirium113 on September 08, 2018, 02:17:26 PM
I do not think it was the Russians.
A lot of what you posted is correct apart from this. It was the Russians this time.
Hi Pimander,
I guess they forgot what Stalin is reported as saying when holding a dinner to recognise the Intelligence Services back in the day - :)
" Stalin said: "In intelligence, one should never work by launching an attack up front. Intelligence should be active in a roundabout way. Otherwise there will be failures and serious failures."
Cheers' 8)
Fans'
At the moment I unable to read thru and reply to each reply..
but thanks to all for your thoughts and comments.
I dont really know what may be going on with the Russians or with Trump Seeker..
but what ever way I consider things...based on comments made so far..
It still seems a bit of a mystery to me...
How many False flags are needed.. to scare us any more or bring in more surveilence etc...
but at the same time why would the Russians do what they did..(if those are their agents) trying to poison past agents now based in the UK...
was it seen as a type of James Bond film like killing...
Was it a way to increase their chances of making a hit on them rather than risking awaiting for the UK based agents to come out of their residence...which they may tended to have rarely done..
In terms of Issues with Trump..
Yes its been non stop events to try to destroy him..and maybe Stormy was just another..
that does seem to have since gone very quiet..
but similar events have brought down Past Presidents..which was my concern.
If Trumps legit...I would not want such a thing to happen to him..
This is an update on the Russian Spy Poision case
seems that They are claiming / suggesting that they were only Tourists..
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Spy poison case: Suspects say they were in UK as tourists
MOSCOW (AP) — The two Russian men charged in Britain with poisoning a former Russian spy with a deadly nerve agent appeared on Kremlin-funded television on Thursday, denying their involvement in the attack and saying that their appearance in the English city of Salisbury was merely an "incredible, fatal coincidence."
(1 of 3) In this video grab provided by the RT channel , Ruslan Boshirov, left, and Alexander Petrov attend their first public appearance in an interview with the Kremlin-funded RT channel in Moscow, Russia, Thursday, Sept. 13, 2018. The two Russian men charged in Britain with poisoning a former Russian spy with a deadly nerve agent appeared on Russian television on Thursday, saying they visited the suspected crime scene as tourists. (RT channel video via AP)
September 13, 2018
Ruslan Boshirov and Alexander Petrov made their first public appearance in an interview with the RT channel, saying that they had visited Salisbury as tourists to see its famous cathedral. "Our friends have been suggesting for a long time that we visit this wonderful town," Petrov said, while Boshirov added that they specifically wanted to see the cathedral's famous spire and clock.
Britain last week charged Boshirov and Petrov in absentia, alleging they were agents of Russia's military intelligence agency known as the GRU who were dispatched to Salisbury, about 2 hours' drive southwest of London, to poison former Russian agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia with the nerve agent Novichok.
British police have released CCTV footage and photographs showing the two men walking in Skripal's neighborhood on March 4, the day of the attack. They were also pictured visiting the city a day earlier. Britain said the attack was almost certainly approved "at a senior level of the Russian state," an allegation that Moscow has vehemently denied.
Both men on Thursday denied that they are GRU agents or that they were in possession of the Soviet-made Novichok nerve agent. "The whole situation is an incredible, fatal coincidence, and that's that," Petrov said. "What is our fault?"
They claimed they did not know who Skripal was or where he lived. Both men looked composed during the interview, and confidently recited details about Salisbury's tourist attractions, including the height of the cathedral's spire.
The two men, who appeared to be around 40, said they worked in the nutrient supplements business. They denied that they carried a bottle of women's perfume where British authorities found traces of Novichok.
"The customs are checking everything," Boshirov said. "They would have questions as to why men have women's perfume in their luggage. We didn't have it." The British government on Thursday issued a statement after the interview was released, reiterating their claim that Russian authorities were lying about the case.
"The government is clear these men are officers of the Russian military intelligence service — the GRU — who used a devastatingly toxic, illegal chemical weapon on the streets of our country," the statement said. "We have repeatedly asked Russia to account for what happened in Salisbury in March. Today — just as we have seen throughout — they have responded with obfuscation and lies."
Replying to the interviewer's question why the pair went to Salisbury for two days in a row, Boshirov said that when they first got to the town it was snowy and they got wet "up to the knee" so they decided to take the train back the following day.
When asked to reveal personal details about themselves or explain why they were sharing a hotel room or taking trips together, Boshirov said: "Let's not pry into our private lives." Boshirov did not react to the interviewer's request to show the pictures they took on that trip, only saying that he found Salisbury Cathedral "very beautiful."
Petrov and Boshirov spoke at length at how depressed and scared they have been after they found themselves in the spotlight, saying that the publicity has made their lives "a nightmare." "If the real perpetrations are found, I hope at least they (the British) will apologize to us," Petrov said.
The men's surprise public appearance Thursday came a day after Russian President Vladimir Putin said that Russian authorities know the identities of the two men, but insisted that they are civilians and there is "nothing criminal" about them. He called on them to contact the media.
Petrov said he heard Putin's statement on the radio and decided to contact RT's editor-in-chief. __ Jill Lawless contributed to this report from London.
https://www.mail.com/int/scitech/health/8734098-spy-poison-case-suspects-they-were-uk-tourists.html#.1272-stage-hero1-1
Did you folks catch this at all ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku8OQNyI2i0 :o ;D
https://www.rt.com/uk/438393-petrov-boshirov-skripal-simonyan/ :) ;)
Worth a look -
I saw that on Euronews, after hearing about it on the radio. :)
Edited to add that I saw just a few seconds on Euronews, not the full interview, obviously.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45522614
Quote from: fansongecho on September 15, 2018, 05:07:01 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45522614
That's too lazy, couldn't you at least post a title?
no - :)
"Edit - I was busy ArMaP, so no but I thought the link was of interest -
It's just a personal opinion, but I think posting only a "blind" link is a lack of respect for other people, as you are forcing them to go that site just to see what you are talking about.
Besides that, from a technical point of view, posting only a link makes it impossible to find that post on a search, as there's nothing we can use in a search.
Just because you were in a hurry doesn't mean you can waste other people's time.
Thanks for the scolding ArMaP ::)
<YAWNS>
:)
Ironic that The RT editor hung up on the BBC interveiwer about the tourists story - when their motto is "Questions More" :o :o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-45517388/skripal-novichok-poisoning-rt-editor-hangs-up-on-newsnight
Quote from: fansongecho on September 16, 2018, 05:26:27 AM
Thanks for the scolding ArMaP ::)
You're welcome, I provide them for free to anyone that needs one. ;)
Indeed :)