I admit this is part 2 - but this guy is saying some odd things and I would love th have My friends' opinions of this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AzaQ-4LlRs
his theories are interesting. i like some of his stances but some leave me scratching my head, such as opening his comments about how obama was trying to save capitalism and then turning about later, and saying we're going to get rid of those greedy "other" people who think everything is about money. how can a guy hold both positions at the same time?
hyperdimensional physics, now that's a different thing altogether. i think he's onto something important there. but the rest of it, almost sounds like orwellian stuff.
"hyperdimensional physics, now that's a different thing altogether"
And in the most concise language possible can you tell me what he says about " hyperdimensional Physics?"
Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on April 24, 2012, 04:21:39 PM
"hyperdimensional physics, now that's a different thing altogether"
And in the most concise language possible can you tell me what he says about " hyperdimensional Physics?"
Linda
It's Richard Hoagland explaining about the dual spin and 19.42 degrees.
Saying why hawaii and Washington reside on very strong torsion field areas, and how washington is set out by masons to exactly FIT the geometry there.
It's two hours long, and I couldn't be bothered listening to too much.
Where's that great big crystal in Hawaii???
Some church or somewhere?
hobbit
he's been at it for a while..regardless of what you think of him
i do like greg braden though
---after i found the whole lot of them i was skipping around.i think number 5 is very good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lma6nGxQsJo
Uploaded by newworldhorizon on Jan 15, 2010
Gregg Braden and Richard C. Hoagland talk about what they think will happen in late 2012.
They explain the Consciousness field of Earth and how it is connected to the emissiion frequencies of the Human heart.
Richard now has Scientific Proof of the changing frequencies in the Pyramids of Guatemala which supports the theory that the Universe is composed of Torsion Field Energy not the outdated Physics of Newton and Einstein.
Real Science has been hidden for at least 100 years so that Secret Groups can carry on a Hidden Scientific Agenda.
Great Websites on this and other Topics at
http://www.enterprisemission.com/
http://www.greggbraden.com/
More Great Radio Shows like this at
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
........................................................................
sorry i didn't realize how many there were....here's the rest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL7UmWYM4J8
one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKgI_W-45g0
two
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bGbRl5Jt8c
three...above
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lma6nGxQsJo
four....above
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL7UmWYM4J8
five
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP3OY7cpV4s
entire list here
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=2012+PREDICTIONS+GREG+BRAYDEN+AND+RICHARD+C.+HOAGLAND+PART1&oq=2012+PREDICTIONS+GREG+BRAYDEN+AND+RICHARD+C.+HOAGLAND+PART1&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=youtube-reduced.12...27618.32388.0.34335.2.2.0.0.0.0.117.220.0j2.2.0.
en~joy
8)
I could write this post on several threads upon here presently.
I have a huge advantage.
I am a dowser that comprehends what I am detecting.
I can demonstrate daily how the moon influences the torsion field locally about this planet.
I can quantify the effect, and how it causes the tides etc etc.
It has nothing to do with any none existant so called gravity.
There is no such force.
hobbit
Thank You all for Your replies, information and thoughts.
Yeah... I get the impression Hoagland is offering His ideas and kowtowing at the same time. Considering that Obama signed the NDAA... Yeah...
Maybe Hoagland was...persuaded.
Quote from: Amaterasu on April 24, 2012, 09:41:14 PM
Thank You all for Your replies, information and thoughts.
Yeah... I get the impression Hoagland is offering His ideas and kowtowing at the same time. Considering that Obama signed the NDAA... Yeah...
Maybe Hoagland was...persuaded.
Amaterasu, I watched all of Hoagland's presentation, and I too find it interesting. With things like this, who can know about the true reality of what will actually happen, if anything? One thing for sure, passage of time will reveal its veracity, if anyone remains alive, at that time, to actually remember it.
really good point by braden 6 min mark to 9 min...worth checking
8:22 especially..in my little opinion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP3OY7cpV4s
Quote from: rdunk on April 24, 2012, 11:31:37 PM
Amaterasu, I watched all of Hoagland's presentation, and I too find it interesting. With things like this, who can know about the true reality of what will actually happen, if anything? One thing for sure, passage of time will reveal its veracity, if anyone remains alive, at that time, to actually remember it.
Quite creepy, it is. Chilled My bones, almost like He went to the "other side..."
Sky Otter,
You said this and I wanted to ask you about it.
Real Science has been hidden for at least 100 years so that Secret Groups can carry on a Hidden Scientific Agenda.
Can you tell me what your gut impression of what that Agenda might be? and what you mean by Secret Groups? Linda
After watching the Richard Hoagland presentation from the Conscious life Expo, one would be hard pressed to find a more controversial subject...2012...but as a fan of Hoagland's for some time now, I find him to be quite thorough in his research.
He doesnt waste time spewing tales of craziness, like some of the so called experts out there on the circuit, and he backs his theories and beliefs with solid facts.
He is a true example of journalistic, and professional excellence, and is the single most determined person in this field of knowledge Ive ever met.
When he says it will happen, he speaks from decades of not only experience in the space fields, but also from a curator standpoint, where he strives to present the info as clearly and concisely as possible, so we can only reach one conclusion...the truth.
PHOBOS OR BUST!
Now, as far as Hoagland goes, many mock his assertion that Phobos is an expired spacecraft, with a decaying orbit into Mars. The orbit itself has been plotted to reach its orbital ellipsis finality, and impact Mars 11 million years from now. It orbits in a 3700 mile orbit, and exhibits bizarre radar tendencies that indicate it is hollow.
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Phobos2.html
But, beyond all of these facts, are the images, seen below, and courtesy of the Enterprise website.
Clearly, if the images arent deceiving us, Phobos was constructed onto a framework of some kind, and a skin was applied to it as would be a ship or craft. That skin has been being sloughed off for millenia, and now shows the underlying framework of the ship.
In additon, I pondered to Richard whether the craft could have been "grown" or made from organic living materials. I asked the question whether it had been built in such a way, as to make it so large. To build a 15 mile long ship would be a near impossible undertaking for mankind or anyone even remotely as advanced as us, so "growing" it would be a perfect construction technique. He isnt quite sure yet what to think, so Ill post his reply soon here.
The other part of this theory is that while growing a ship, it could be outfitted as it grew, and crystals could be used to help naturually oscillate the growth, like we do here with manmade quartz.
These crystals could be only structural, or they could be part of what matrix likes to call, the conveyance.
If we open our minds to the finds like this, and our government's feverish desire to get to Mars, and Phobos in particular, we will see that our ideas of building, and constructing are so primitive, and are not the crowning achievement, but rather a simpleminded method of placing matter into piles or shapes. Already formed matter, that is, and the formation of that matter is the key to "growing" anything.
I almost want to say that Phobos is like a fossilized plant or tree, with it's rings and whorls of texture showing where the growth patterns were, and the structure beneath was a sort of treehouse for the Martians to use as a orbiting base of operations for launching deep space craft, which wouldnt have any Martian gravity to contend with upon launching.
If I remember correctly, someone else had that idea about our Moon.....oh yeah, it was my fearless leaders in NASA and Washington, who want to go there for reasons esoteric.
Gotta love a Freemasonic Moonbase! It's already there, too!
We will find out soon enough, though, as any "old" technology we find will put us into a mode of learning we have never experienced, and maybe then wars, fuel, and the world's ticks on it's proverbial back, will drop off onto the floor to be stomped on by the big boot of reason.
Maybe, the meeting of EBE lifeforms or the finding of their technology will save our planet, and it's inhabitants, and just maybe the learning of such things will shepherd us into the new age of love and happiness, whilest we find all of the wonderful or not so wonderful facts about our past.
Saved by ourselves.
Phobos Or Bust is the sign Obama is holding, and we are already there folks, building within it's framework, the new millenium for mankind. Our leaders will be awfuly sorry when they dont have any energy or war to lord over us with, and they will skulk off into the dark corners they came from, as in my opinion, the knowledge that is possible from the Phobos discovery will be so advanced, it wont ever allow a disfunctional race of folks like our own human brehtren to use it for bad or ill will.
Knowledge is forever.
As they wrote in the Mahabarata.......albeit a bit Americanizedby my pen,:)
"Even though we have the Brahmaweapon, it cant be used for anything but total and complete annihilation. Do NOT use it for bad, as it wont work for that, use it for good, and it's power will increase a hundred fold"
.....sounds like the collective conscious we so dearly speak of, and how once we discover alien or past human life, we can move on with this pathetic non living existence we call mankind, and get on to the future, which is ours to grab!
Cheers!
Littleenki
LE,
I don't doubt Hoagland's data, His expertise, or any of that. I question His conclusion that Obama is out to save the Human race on this planet. Clearly, by His actions, He has no care for Us (and I wish I could find the link of some reporter who said during Obama's campaign He saw Obama looking dazed and being more or less carried into a room off the press room - and They told all the press to leave then - and the reporter went up to ask the guard at the door to that room something and was rudely rebuffed yet while He was close, He could hear some chanting, and then later when the press were let back in, Obama came out all shiny and bright, yet, though the reporter had had a long talk with Obama the day before, Obama didn't seem to even recognize Him...).
THAT's what *I*'m concerned about. What's up with that from Hoagland? Make Us all go quietly to the slaughter? What?
QuoteSky Otter,
You said this and I wanted to ask you about it.
Real Science has been hidden for at least 100 years so that Secret Groups can carry on a Hidden Scientific Agenda.
Can you tell me what your gut impression of what that Agenda might be? and what you mean by Secret Groups? Linda
Linda
sorry i don't recall saying that..are you sure it wasn't just something i had quoted?...
could you refresh my memory as to where...scratchin my head here ???
you guys are missing the point i was trying to make
hoagland isn't on my radar to listen to but i do listen to greg braden and in the tiny three minute
time frame i quoted what he was saying
was that with 40000 years of data that
every 5000 years the record show the changes to the sun every 5000 yrs
that humans don't get it and go to fear of change and wipe each other out
but
that with this knowledge this time we can maybe get along
that was all..just that maybe we can get along
because whatever happens we still have the option of
PERSONAL CHOICE in dealing with each other
ok..sorry to interrupt
;)
Quote from: Amaterasu on April 25, 2012, 03:36:10 PM
LE,
I don't doubt Hoagland's data, His expertise, or any of that. I question His conclusion that Obama is out to save the Human race on this planet. Clearly, by His actions, He has no care for Us (and I wish I could find the link of some reporter who said during Obama's campaign He saw Obama looking dazed and being more or less carried into a room off the press room - and They told all the press to leave then - and the reporter went up to ask the guard at the door to that room something and was rudely rebuffed yet while He was close, He could hear some chanting, and then later when the press were let back in, Obama came out all shiny and bright, yet, though the reporter had had a long talk with Obama the day before, Obama didn't seem to even recognize Him...).
THAT's what *I*'m concerned about. What's up with that from Hoagland? Make Us all go quietly to the slaughter? What?
Yes, I did notice his attempt at bridging the gap between himself and our illustrious govt, and it almost seems like he is trying to play nice with the establishment, to avoid backlash.
After all he did get his start with the PTB.
Demeaning Obama for him will only separate him from the valuable tools at NASA, and he is trying to convey a message to us that they are in ultimate power, and this message is an indicator of what he and they know already.
I think in Richard's case, he is covering his ass so to speak, and his true beliefs about our goverment and their plans are far too controversial to display in public, unless he wants to hit a tree with his Jeep in the desert somewhere, like who was that?
His true intentions will be known when their's are, so we will have to wait and see the reason for his bizarre government love agenda.
Cheers!
LE
Then why bring Obama into it at all? It just makes His whole presentation seem, to any who are hearing His words for the first time yet can see the falsity of those words, rather likely to be ALL hogwash.
Had I been Him...I would have approached it differently.
Hi Sky Otter.... my mistake I think. I was asking you about a quote that I thought was yours ( from Reply 4 April 24,) When actually you were quoting someone else. I am at a disadvantage sometimes because I can not get UTube or some of these videos.... but addressing them I thought that was a pretty interesting statement to make. And wondered exactly what it was that THEY thought when they said it
"Gregg Braden and Richard C. Hoagland talk about what they think will happen in late 2012.
They explain the Consciousness field of Earth and how it is connected to the emissiion frequencies of the Human heart.
Richard now has Scientific Proof of the changing frequencies in the Pyramids of Guatemala which supports the theory that the Universe is composed of Torsion Field Energy not the outdated Physics of Newton and Einstein.
Real Science has been hidden for at least 100 years so that Secret Groups can carry on a Hidden Scientific Agenda"
There is much said there that I absolutely agree with. I just wondered about the last section and how that person had come to the conclusion that " real science" ( thats an ODD phrase.... what is unreal science?) has been hidden for at least 100 years..... What does THAT mean and why THAT time frame. And when he or she mentions " secret groups" what exactly are they referring to?.... and what would be a " Secret Scientific Agenda?"
All good and worthwhile questions, arn't they? Linda
Quote from: Amaterasu on April 25, 2012, 04:41:06 PM
Then why bring Obama into it at all? It just makes His whole presentation seem, to any who are hearing His words for the first time yet can see the falsity of those words, rather likely to be ALL hogwash.
Had I been Him...I would have approached it differently.
As would I, but his modus operandi includes a lot of govt connections, so I guess he was kissing the ultimate ass!
Obama, the ultimate ass, I like it! LOL
And thanks for the golden seal of approval, as I wrote that clip just for Richard's birthday gift, and sent it to him earlier!:):):)
Cheers!
Littleenki
I am clearly not a political person but when I see a statement like this I have to say.... WHOA, WHAT?
"Clearly, by His actions, He has no care for Us (and I wish I could find the link of some reporter who said during Obama's campaign He saw Obama looking dazed and being more or less carried into a room off the press room - and They told all the press to leave then - and the reporter went up to ask the guard at the door to that room something and was rudely rebuffed yet while He was close, He could hear some chanting,
WHAT? Its my opinion that repeating the above does not do you justice
Amaterasu.
Do you think that it does? Linda
Linda... Are You acquainted with the NDAA? The Executive Order that gives Him control of EVERYTHING even in peace time? The Man is a puppet for the NWO.
He is advancing THEIR agenda. It has nothing to do with Us peons - and is fully to Our detriment.
And I DID hear that report from a reporter...
Quote from: Littleenki on April 25, 2012, 05:39:36 PM
As would I, but his modus operandi includes a lot of govt connections, so I guess he was kissing the ultimate ass!
Obama, the ultimate ass, I like it! LOL
And thanks for the golden seal of approval, as I wrote that clip just for Richard's birthday gift, and sent it to him earlier!:):):)
Cheers!
Littleenki
An ultimate puppet ass, at that!
[segue]
I hope Richard appreciated it!
I have a friend who was recently divorced. She was able to keep her two donkeys in the settlement though she complained that they were listed as an " Asset" when they actually ( with hay being what it is... and the cost of triming etc) they are really much more of a liability! She said that was the only really funny part of her divorce! Then she wrote about it and got published and that was even funnier because she was paid for the article enough for a years worth of hay!!
The point I am getting around to I guess is this.... When you are in mountainous and difficult territory sometimes an ass is the best thing to be riding. They are smarter than horses by a whole lot.... and they don't let themselves get into situations where they let themselves get hurt if they can help it... which if you happen to be riding one.... keeps you safer too.
So when someone says someone else is acting like an ASS... I stop a moment to figure out what that ACTUALLY means.
Just an observation on the occasional use of the word ASS and that it means different things to different people. Linda
I think, then, perhaps We should be saying...
The ultimate puppet horse's ass. Does that clarify? [grin]
Quote from: Linda Brown on April 25, 2012, 07:24:01 PM
I have a friend who was recently divorced. She was able to keep her two donkeys in the settlement though she complained that they were listed as an " Asset" when they actually ( with hay being what it is... and the cost of triming etc) they are really much more of a liability! She said that was the only really funny part of her divorce! Then she wrote about it and got published and that was even funnier because she was paid for the article enough for a years worth of hay!!
The point I am getting around to I guess is this.... When you are in mountainous and difficult territory sometimes an ass is the best thing to be riding. They are smarter than horses by a whole lot.... and they don't let themselves get into situations where they let themselves get hurt if they can help it... which if you happen to be riding one.... keeps you safer too.
So when someone says someone else is acting like an ASS... I stop a moment to figure out what that ACTUALLY means.
Just an observation on the occasional use of the word ASS and that it means different things to different people. Linda
Hey, Linda, and that was a perfect Lindaesque reply...I love it!!!!
Yes, ass is a word with multiple uses, and definitions, but it is a word with weight when talking about someones behaviour, as asses are stubborn!Human or donkey!LOL!
Im not sure I want to label Obama an ass yet, but there are a few asses I can think of in the world's political arena, so they know who they are!!
That ass story was sad, and donkeys can be very attached to their owners, like any pet, and they will miss whoever took care of them. I feel for your friend and her big buddies, so wish them well from me to them, one ass to ano.....oh never mind:D
Cheers!
Littleenki
Quote from: Amaterasu on April 25, 2012, 08:01:30 PM
I think, then, perhaps We should be saying...
The ultimate puppet horse's ass. Does that clarify? [grin]
Can you say perfect?!?!?!?
LE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4ZG-vFxa-s
Except the wrong end was shown in that youtube bit, Enki.
I posted another thread with a very similar name - worthy of looking into:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1191.msg12301
:D
boy, miss a minute and stuff just dissappears..phew
Linda thanks for the clarity..and i apologize for not putting that in quotes or a different color..
it was the blurp from the you tube poster of the videos..
and you have already figured it all out
cool ass story btw.. ;D
i recall listening to a pre-election show on coast to coast, featuring richard hoagland. he was all excited about obama getting into office. he was talking about how obama supported the space program as it relates to mars, for example. he talks about how obama is like this shining new hope in a happier future. i was a bit stunned that any human would be given that much praise (you shoulda heard him). i'm sure had obama heard it, he would've been embarrassed, it was so over the top.
later, obama gets elected and one of the things he does is decommission half the space program. i'm thinking to myself....WHAT? then it dawned on me that there was the "Secret space program" and that obama probably thought that it was okay to dismantle whole parts of the government program, because it was just a cover for the real thing, anyway. i mean, that's my current theory.
somebody is trying to make him look like a really bad guy. i don't think so. i think the problem started way before him, and that it relates to not being able to control a bunch of alpha caucasians as readily (not that black people as a race are stupid, just that they've been kept in perpetual hardship by these same people, so that when the time comes to pull the plug, they can be counted on to blame the whole damn thing on the rest of the planet).
however, it also caused the loss of thousands of jobs, which effected american businesses, which effected more american businesses, which effected jobs, which effected more american businesses (snowball effect).
alpha omega. that's the pharaoh's name. :D
that's why jesus called himself, "alpha and omega."
he wanted people to know, he was the last pharaoh
and the first pharaoh (the first pharaoh was not nimrod! but an earlier
pharaoh). all pharaohs said this because they claimed to have
inherited "osiris'" divinity, in a sense. (my theory is
it was just a few body hoppers. :D )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp2VFN-w9d0
^see that? these guys don't have a future without somebody
to stick up for them. and the reason many have had no
voice, all over the world, is because the plan is to use them
to kill everybody else not just in the usa, but everywhere.
people need to pay attention. lol and the ironic thing is,
it's not their fault! they are being and have been manipulated
into these horrible scenarios, for thousands of years, by
something that i don't think is human.
are my posts going thru or are they being sidetracked somewhere else?
nobody's said anything to me or responded to my last 5 posts. i either am losing grip with reality or something else is happening.
Quote from: Amaterasu on April 25, 2012, 10:27:37 PM
Except the wrong end was shown in that youtube bit, Enki.
hehehe! Am, I think the guy in the middle gets the prize for being the ASS!!!!
LOL!
LE
Hey, Undo, your posts are alive!!! Just woke up though, so groggy eyes and all, here I be!
It seems to me, like you say, there are two space programs and why Hoagland is so excited about Obama is a mystery to me, but as I pointed out earlier, he has a position to uphold if he is to kept in the fold, and he is deep in it.
What's the old saying?
If you have an friend, keep him close, and if you have an enemy, keep him closer.
Classic disinfo on Richard's part, and yes he gets a bit uppity with his delivery, but he is 100 percent determined to learn the truth, and he is using his ability to play the ones who play us.
He is being the ultimate disinfo agent towrds the ultimate disinfo entity, the US government!
The best part of this all is, as the universe is balanced, nothing the PTB do will save their asses when the poop hits the fan, and their poor judgement and hateful aganda will push them over the edge of the cliff, and into a heaping pile of cow dung.
When the DAY comes whatever is in store is fine with me, and for me to fear or loath our government is just wasted energy, as I know the ultimate result, and that is I get to go back to an ENERGY being, and apply what I have learned on Earth as a MEAT being.
It will be pleasing to observe mankind from that dimension, and it will answer EVERY question we have ever pondered or perused, in our human time here.
Cheers!
Littleenki
Quote from: Littleenki on April 26, 2012, 01:57:23 PM
When the DAY comes whatever is in store is fine with me, and for me to fear or loath our government is just wasted energy, as I know the ultimate result, and that is I get to go back to an ENERGY being, and apply what I have learned on Earth as a MEAT being.
wouldn't it suck if that was a lie too?
it's the only thing we have to hold unto. kinda ironic.
i'm not fine with what is in store. suffering is not good. i don't want anyone to suffer. not even people that don't like me. i do tell them what i think, but that doesn't mean i want them to suffer! what i think is just what i think, and that's about the extent of it, and it isn't bent on anyone's destruction, that's for sure! but some of these guys at the top, have figured out they can pigeon hole people to blame, and then they send it on down the mainline and it ends up in the hands of propagandists who do horrible things with it! have you not noticed how it has become the new best thing since sliced bread to blame religion for literally everything? it isn't religion, folks. most of the people in religion are just average everyday people, with no more power than speck of dust! think about that for a minute!
i realize religion has been USED to do bad things, but it's not supposed to be! and most people don't partake in the BAD THINGS. sigh.
what a mess. anyway, i just finished helping my husband study for his history tests in college (late bloomer). good grief, early us history was horrible. the way the guys in power treated people was bad. real bad. and if they were that bad, that long ago, just imagine how it must be at the top now.
Quote from: undo11 on April 26, 2012, 02:05:55 PM
wouldn't it suck if that was a lie too?
it's the only thing we have to hold unto. kinda ironic.
i'm not fine with what is in store. suffering is not good. i don't want anyone to suffer. not even people that don't like me. i do tell them what i think, but that doesn't mean i want them to suffer! what i think is just what i think, and that's about the extent of it, and it isn't bent on anyone's destruction, that's for sure! but some of these guys at the top, have figured out they can pigeon hole people to blame, and then they send it on down the mainline and it ends up in the hands of propagandists who do horrible things with it! have you not noticed how it has become the new best thing since sliced bread to blame religion for literally everything? it isn't religion, folks. most of the people in religion are just average everyday people, with no more power than speck of dust! think about that for a minute!
i realize religion has been USED to do bad things, but it's not supposed to be! and most people don't partake in the BAD THINGS. sigh.
what a mess. anyway, i just finished helping my husband study for his history tests in college (late bloomer). good grief, early us history was horrible. the way the guys in power treated people was bad. real bad. and if they were that bad, that long ago, just imagine how it must be at the top now.
Indeed, Undo, religion isnt to blame, it's the ones who apply it with bad intent, and the ones who use it to lord over the rest of us, as if we are some kind of bad children who god will punish one day....nonsense!
Religion was devised as a way to control and convince, and originally had the purpose of separating the masses into belief strucutres which could be construed through time as borders.
Then as these borders began to establish themselves, the religious doctrines gave the religiodiots a reason to kill each other in the name of their particular god, and the sordid tale goes on.
As a person, I respect those who follow Jesus' teachings, and do so myself as well as I can, but I always know that in the end, it's what we do with our minds to see the truth that is going to save us.
As a scientist, I see the need for an explanation to the esoteric, so I search onward. No jesus or gods to make my decisions for me, just my human brain and it's insatiable appetite for knowledge.
As a philosopher....well Im not much of that, so my simple philosophy is this...
Noone dies. The trials and tribulations we go through in our human life, are just a precursor to something bigger, and an indicator of what we are here for. These are our lessons as life energy beings, and we HAVE to deal with them, so to run from pain and suffering means youll have pain and suffering for a longer time. Live the lesson, and rewards will be plenty!
Like a pinprick before a blood sugar test, a little suffering goes a long way!
Bond with who you are, and why you are here, really, and all fear and suffering will be a fart in the wind!
Cheers, Undo!
Littleenki