Government Secrets-What Obama Knows about Dec 21 2012

[Amaterasu]

I admit this is part 2 - but this guy is saying some odd things and I would love th have My friends' opinions of this...

[undo11]

his theories are interesting.  i like some of his stances but some leave me scratching my head, such as opening his comments about how obama was trying to save capitalism and then turning about later, and saying we're going to get rid of those greedy "other" people who think everything is about money.   how can a guy hold both positions at the same time?

hyperdimensional physics, now that's a different thing altogether.  i think he's onto something important there.  but the rest of it, almost sounds like orwellian stuff.

[Linda Brown]

"hyperdimensional physics, now that's a different thing altogether"

And in the most concise language possible can you tell me what he says about " hyperdimensional Physics?"

Linda

[hobbit]

"hyperdimensional physics, now that's a different thing altogether"

And in the most concise language possible can you tell me what he says about " hyperdimensional Physics?"

Linda

It's Richard Hoagland explaining about the dual spin and 19.42 degrees.
Saying why hawaii and Washington reside on very strong torsion field areas, and how washington is set out by masons to exactly FIT the geometry there.
It's two hours long, and I couldn't be bothered listening to too much.
Where's that great big crystal in Hawaii???
Some church or somewhere?
hobbit

[sky otter]

he's been at it for a while..regardless of what you think of him
i do like greg braden though

---after i found the whole lot of them i was skipping around.i think number 5 is very good






Uploaded by newworldhorizon on Jan 15, 2010

Gregg Braden and Richard C. Hoagland talk about what they think will happen in late 2012.
They explain the Consciousness field of Earth and how it is connected to the emissiion frequencies of the Human heart.
Richard now has Scientific Proof of the changing frequencies in the Pyramids of Guatemala which supports the theory that the Universe is composed of Torsion Field Energy not the outdated Physics of Newton and Einstein.
Real Science has been hidden for at least 100 years so that Secret Groups can carry on a Hidden Scientific Agenda.

Great Websites on this and other Topics at

http://www.enterprisemission.com/

http://www.greggbraden.com/

More Great Radio Shows like this at

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/

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sorry i didn't realize how many there were....here's the rest



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two


three...above


four....above


five


entire list here
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=2012+PREDICTIONS+GREG+BRAYDEN+AND+RICHARD+C.+HOAGLAND+PART1&oq=2012+PREDICTIONS+GREG+BRAYDEN+AND+RICHARD+C.+HOAGLAND+PART1&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=youtube-reduced.12...27618.32388.0.34335.2.2.0.0.0.0.117.220.0j2.2.0.

en~joy

[hobbit]

I could write this post on several threads upon here presently.
I have a huge advantage.
I am a dowser that comprehends what I am detecting.
I can demonstrate daily how the moon influences the torsion field locally about this planet.
I can quantify the effect, and how it causes the tides etc etc.
It has nothing to do with any none existant so called gravity.

There is no such force.

hobbit

[Amaterasu]

Thank You all for Your replies, information and thoughts.

Yeah...  I get the impression Hoagland is offering His ideas and kowtowing at the same time.  Considering that Obama signed the NDAA...  Yeah...

Maybe Hoagland was...persuaded.

[rdunk]

Thank You all for Your replies, information and thoughts.

Yeah...  I get the impression Hoagland is offering His ideas and kowtowing at the same time.  Considering that Obama signed the NDAA...  Yeah...

Maybe Hoagland was...persuaded.

Amaterasu, I watched all of Hoagland's presentation, and I too find it interesting. With things like this, who can know about the true reality of what will actually happen, if anything? One thing for sure, passage of time will reveal its veracity, if anyone remains alive, at that time, to actually remember it.

[sky otter]

really good point by braden 6 min mark to 9 min...worth checking
8:22 especially..in my little opinion

[Amaterasu]

Amaterasu, I watched all of Hoagland's presentation, and I too find it interesting. With things like this, who can know about the true reality of what will actually happen, if anything? One thing for sure, passage of time will reveal its veracity, if anyone remains alive, at that time, to actually remember it.

Quite creepy, it is.  Chilled My bones, almost like He went to the "other side..."

[Linda Brown]

Sky Otter,

You said this and I wanted to ask you about it.

Real Science has been hidden for at least 100 years so that Secret Groups can carry on a Hidden Scientific Agenda.

Can you tell me what your gut impression of what that Agenda might be? and what you mean by Secret Groups?   Linda

[Littleenki]

After watching the Richard Hoagland presentation from the Conscious life Expo, one would be hard pressed to find a more controversial subject...2012...but as a fan of Hoagland's for some time now, I find him to be quite thorough in his research.
He doesnt waste time spewing tales of craziness, like some of the so called experts out there on the circuit, and he backs his theories and beliefs with solid facts.
He is a true example of journalistic, and professional excellence, and is the single most determined person in this field of knowledge Ive ever met.
When he says it will happen, he speaks from decades of not only experience in the space fields, but also from a curator standpoint, where he strives to present the info as clearly and concisely as possible, so we can only reach one conclusion...the truth.

PHOBOS OR BUST!

Now, as far as Hoagland goes, many mock his assertion that Phobos is an expired spacecraft, with a decaying orbit into Mars. The orbit itself has been plotted to reach its orbital ellipsis finality, and impact Mars 11 million years from now. It orbits in a 3700 mile orbit, and exhibits bizarre radar tendencies that indicate it is hollow.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/Phobos2.html

But, beyond all of these facts, are the images, seen below, and courtesy of the Enterprise website.

Clearly, if the images arent deceiving us, Phobos was constructed onto a framework of some kind, and a skin was applied to it as would be a ship or craft. That skin has been being sloughed off for millenia, and now shows the underlying framework of the ship.
In additon, I pondered to Richard whether the craft could have been "grown" or made from organic living materials. I asked the question whether it had been built in such a way, as to make it so large. To build a 15 mile long ship would be a near impossible undertaking for mankind or anyone even remotely as advanced as us, so "growing" it would be a perfect construction technique.  He isnt quite sure yet what to think, so Ill post his reply soon here.
The other part of this theory is that while growing a ship, it could be outfitted as it grew, and crystals could be used to help naturually oscillate the growth, like we do here with manmade quartz.

These crystals could be only structural, or they could be part of what matrix likes to call, the conveyance.

If we open our minds to the finds like this, and our government's feverish desire to get to Mars, and Phobos in particular, we will see that our ideas of building, and constructing are so primitive, and are not the crowning achievement, but rather a simpleminded method of placing matter into piles or shapes. Already formed matter, that is, and the formation of that matter is the key to "growing" anything.

I almost want to say that Phobos is like a fossilized plant or tree, with it's rings and whorls of texture showing where the growth patterns were, and the structure beneath was a sort of treehouse for the Martians to use as a orbiting base of operations for launching deep space craft, which wouldnt have any Martian gravity to contend with upon launching.

If I remember correctly, someone else had that idea about our Moon.....oh yeah, it was my fearless leaders in NASA and Washington, who want to go there for reasons esoteric.

Gotta love a Freemasonic Moonbase! It's already there, too!

We will find out soon enough, though, as any "old" technology we find will put us into a mode of learning we have never experienced, and maybe then wars, fuel, and the world's ticks on it's proverbial back, will drop off onto the floor to be stomped on by the big boot of reason.

Maybe, the meeting of EBE lifeforms or the finding of their technology will save our planet, and it's inhabitants, and just maybe the learning of such things will shepherd us into the new age of love and happiness, whilest we find all of the wonderful or not so wonderful facts about our past.

Saved by ourselves.

Phobos Or Bust is the sign Obama is holding, and we are already there folks, building within it's framework, the new millenium for mankind. Our leaders will be awfuly sorry when they dont have any energy or war to lord over us with, and they will skulk off into the dark corners they came from, as in my opinion, the knowledge that is possible from the Phobos discovery will be so advanced, it wont ever allow a disfunctional race of folks like our own human brehtren to use it for bad or ill will.

Knowledge is forever.

As they wrote in the Mahabarata.......albeit a bit Americanizedby my pen,:)
"Even though we have the Brahmaweapon, it cant be used for anything but total and complete annihilation. Do NOT use it for bad, as it wont work for that, use it for good, and it's power will increase a hundred fold"
.....sounds like the collective conscious we so dearly speak of, and how once we discover alien or past human life, we can move on with this pathetic non living existence we call mankind, and get on to the future, which is ours to grab!

Cheers!
Littleenki

[Amaterasu]

LE,

I don't doubt Hoagland's data, His expertise, or any of that.  I question His conclusion that Obama is out to save the Human race on this planet.  Clearly, by His actions, He has no care for Us (and I wish I could find the link of some reporter who said during Obama's campaign He saw Obama looking dazed and being more or less carried into a room off the press room - and They told all the press to leave then - and the reporter went up to ask the guard at the door to that room something and was rudely rebuffed yet while He was close, He could hear some chanting, and then later when the press were let back in, Obama came out all shiny and bright, yet, though the reporter had had a long talk with Obama the day before, Obama didn't seem to even recognize Him...).

THAT's what *I*'m concerned about.  What's up with that from Hoagland?  Make Us all go quietly to the slaughter?  What?

[sky otter]

Sky Otter,

You said this and I wanted to ask you about it.

Real Science has been hidden for at least 100 years so that Secret Groups can carry on a Hidden Scientific Agenda.

Can you tell me what your gut impression of what that Agenda might be? and what you mean by Secret Groups?   Linda

Linda
sorry i don't recall saying that..are you sure it wasn't just something i had quoted?...
could you refresh my memory as to where...scratchin my head here 



you guys are missing the point i was trying to make
hoagland isn't on my radar to listen to but i do listen to greg braden and in the tiny three minute
time frame i quoted what he was saying
was that with 40000 years of data that
every 5000 years the record show the changes to the sun every 5000 yrs
that humans don't get it and go to fear of change and wipe each other out
but
that with this knowledge this time we can maybe get along

that was all..just that maybe we can get along
because whatever happens we still have the option of
PERSONAL CHOICE in dealing with each other

ok..sorry to interrupt

[Littleenki]

LE,

I don't doubt Hoagland's data, His expertise, or any of that.  I question His conclusion that Obama is out to save the Human race on this planet.  Clearly, by His actions, He has no care for Us (and I wish I could find the link of some reporter who said during Obama's campaign He saw Obama looking dazed and being more or less carried into a room off the press room - and They told all the press to leave then - and the reporter went up to ask the guard at the door to that room something and was rudely rebuffed yet while He was close, He could hear some chanting, and then later when the press were let back in, Obama came out all shiny and bright, yet, though the reporter had had a long talk with Obama the day before, Obama didn't seem to even recognize Him...).

THAT's what *I*'m concerned about.  What's up with that from Hoagland?  Make Us all go quietly to the slaughter?  What?

Yes, I did notice his attempt at bridging the gap between himself and our illustrious govt, and it almost seems like he is trying to play nice with the establishment, to avoid backlash.
After all he did get his start with the PTB.
Demeaning Obama for him will only separate him from the valuable tools at NASA, and he is trying to convey a message to us that they are in ultimate power, and this message is an indicator of what he and they know already.
I think in Richard's case, he is covering his ass so to speak, and his true beliefs about our goverment and their plans are far too controversial to display in public, unless he wants to hit a tree with his Jeep in the desert somewhere, like who was that?
His true intentions will be known when their's are, so we will have to wait and see the reason for his bizarre government love agenda.
Cheers!
LE