I posted this in a thread but decided it needed its own.
Overpopulation is a myth. Period. It is only a PERCIEVED problem, touted by the PTB as one form of reason to add control - with most of Us constrained to cities because of the grid.
Consider: If every Human from just born to just hanging on was given 1/4 acre in Australia - which is 4% of land mass EXcluding Antarctica - there would still be a chunk of Australia left over. And the whole rest of this planet. (And that's a pretty low population density!)
Consider: If the volume of all Humans were placed in the grand canyon...it wouldn't fill one side canyon.
Consider: If every one of Us were placed in the state of Texas, there'd be a fair chunk of Texas left over.
Consider: Statistically speaking Humans don't exist on this planet.
Consider: Because We distribute food by profit and not need, supermarkets throw out hundreds of thousands of TONS of food a MONTH!
Consider: Because We are farming with petro-"ferilizer" and not organically, yield is lower and nutrition is through the floor - if We farmed organically We would have equal or greater yield, and excellent nutrition. http://wakeup-world.com/2012/02/26/30-year-study-organic-farming-outperforms-conventional-chemical-farming/
Consider: We pay corporate "farmers" to NOT grow food to keep prices artificially high.
Consider: If We distributed by NEED, farmed organically, and used ALL the land, We could feed 10 times the population here now.
Consider: With new farming methods, like vertical farming, that could go as high as 100 times Our present population.
Consider: With floating houses and cities, the volume available to any one Human becomes enormous!
Overpopulation, My tail end.
Ants consume more than humans.
Here's a simple something with so called GROWING in mind.
Viktor Schauberger realised how steel discharges the soil.
http://www.permaculture-wales.org.uk/index.php/guest-writers/156-copper-tools-and-the-legacy-of-viktor-schauberger
You are TOLD food grows, but You are not informed of the BASICS involved.
This is all to veil the human population from ever comprehending how the overall system operates.
Hence We remain on a prison planet.
This is an electric universe where mass and matter is created locally.
None of this big bang nonesense exists.
Nothing is growing out of the Earth, it is local TRANSMUTATION.
Empowered by universal dual spin charges.
The steel ploughs and tools are discharging locally one half of the required duality.
Hobbit
Thank You, hobbity. [smile] Yes, but explaining all that to Those who...are still stuck in the matrix, shall We say, can be a challenge. And My goal is to educate Them in a way that will work in the world as They understand it.
Still, I appreciate so very much that You have placed this information here in the thread. For some may read and wake up.
Before you can decide if there are too many people or not you have to do some math...
How much land there is on this old rock is Irrelevant...
You have to calculate how many acres of land is needed for EACH PERSON to grow the food required by that person.
You have to calculate how much WATER each person will consume and use to irrigate that food growing allotment
If each person also gets a meat allotment you have to add in the additional land per person needed to feed the cattle he will consume... and add the water usage of said cattle and grazing land
Once that is calculated...
You can then seek out land masses that are suitable to maintain this system.
Only then can you determine relatively accurately if there is enough room :D
And that is NOT a PTB plot... it is merely logistics LD
Quote from: hobbit on June 06, 2012, 09:16:26 AM
You are TOLD food grows, but You are not informed of the BASICS involved.
This is an electric universe where mass and matter is created locally.
Hmmm well all my life I had a pretty good garden growing to feed us... but this year the sun and daily temperature changes (and likely fukushima fallout) is literally killing my crops...
So you have fancy words, my friend, to explain it..
but do you have an active solution that will heal my food crop? :o
Quote from: zorgon on June 06, 2012, 09:42:36 AM
Before you can decide if there are too many people or not you have to do some math...
How much land there is on this old rock is Irrelevant...
You have to calculate how many acres of land is needed for EACH PERSON to grow the food required by that person.
I think I covered food... With new techniques, like vertical farming, not really a whole lot at all.
QuoteYou have to calculate how much WATER each person will consume and use to irrigate that food growing allotment
With free energy, and a Dean Kamen water purification device...I think We have plenty of water on this planet...
QuoteIf each person also gets a meat allotment you have to add in the additional land per person needed to feed the cattle he will consume... and add the water usage of said cattle and grazing land
Meat... One might not always get meat, I suppose (and plenty of Us don't want it anyway...)...
QuoteOnce that is calculated...
You can then seek out land masses that are suitable to maintain this system.
Except for the meat issue... Seems the area We are presently farming or less would be easily sufficient. Especially when You consider all those acres NOT farmed to keep prices up...
QuoteOnly then can you determine relatively accurately if there is enough room :D
And that is NOT a PTB plot... it is merely logistics LD
Seems the logistics of keeping all of Us fed and watered are not that tough. [shrug] Though filet mignon may be in short supply. First come, first served.
Quote from: zorgon on June 06, 2012, 09:46:28 AM
Hmmm well all my life I had a pretty good garden growing to feed us... but this year the sun and daily temperature changes (and likely fukushima fallout) is literally killing my crops...
So you have fancy words, my friend, to explain it..
but do you have an active solution that will heal my food crop? :o
The PTB, desiring less of Us than more, have plenty of solutions well hidden.
Well, Amy, this thread will inform many of the issues we face with a growing population and why it is imperative to find a way to spread it out a bit.
As we spoke of last night, I was enlightened by your and Undo's statements about how it's all a myth. I found the responses you offered quite interesting, and helpful in realizing how we arent overpopulated as much as we are over densitized.
Like we see in a city, there are numerous folks in an area capable of supporting much less of them. The ability to eat and feed many in an area like a city is a quagmire with many questions and few answers.
However they all require the use of transportation and shipping, which in a abundant society is not an option.
As far as overpopulation, it all hinges on location, as of course, Des Moines Iowa isnt overpopulated, and is a city, but Detroit, La, NYC,Miami(ech!) and many other metro areas have no way to feed the mouths that are there, so overpopulation isnt a myth, its just location based.
If we do the logistics, I would bet there is plenty of food for those who can afford it, and plenty of space and land for those who can afford it, and plenty of jobs...well, not jobs.
Sad stories aplenty, and until we spread out and get some breathing room, it will be a problem whatever name it is given, overpopulation or overdensity.
My guess is that many who are unable to live off the land and have been raised in the city, would perish within a few months from a lack of understanding of the wild, so thats why they stay in the cities, along with the fact they have no money or ability to move away.
Sort of a catch 22 for the city crowd, and by our PTB allowing the rich to gobble up all the land, there's nowhere out there for the city dwellers to go anyways.
Overdensity might be scalar, and an issue that faces many, yet what options are there, except not having too many children, especially if they cant afford it?
Im going to the store now, and I guarantee I wont get two blocks without getting stuck in a line of cars at a light.
Google Pinellas county, Florida,
And thats overdensity at work.
Cheers!
Littleenki
Has anyone read of the studies which have recently shown that the incidence of male reproductive infertility has been climbing?
Did I dream that study?
If it is true.... then perhaps something or someone has already been addressing the issue. It might take a hundred years but if thats the case the population will dwindle " naturally".....
It may be that Mother Earth is already addressing the issue and we just haven't noticed it yet.
Linda
Good point, Linda!
The show shouldve been called: Mother knows best!
If she is handing out condoms, well so be it, and there is plenty of need for them in certain places.
I wondered once why many of the world's people are always starving, and realized it is because they reproduce well beyond their capabilities of feeding all those extra mouths. Overpopulation defined. But why?
a lighter side...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN7ehccspao
Why do so many stay in Bali, Tokyo,or Mumbai, if there is no room or food to eat?
Culture of millenia.
Why live in smog, crime filled LA, when California has thousands of nice places to live? Inability to relocate.
Why would a woman who clearly has no job,or method of supporting them, have numerous babies? Lack of knowledge of the consequences? Maybe....
Many issues here, and maybe it's time for Mother to intervene.
Earth, and humanity, it's time for you to go outside and get a switch, and make it a good one!
Le
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 06, 2012, 09:39:32 AM
Thank You, hobbity. [smile] Yes, but explaining all that to Those who...are still stuck in the matrix, shall We say, can be a challenge. And My goal is to educate Them in a way that will work in the world as They understand it.
Still, I appreciate so very much that You have placed this information here in the thread. For some may read and wake up.
With buckets full of respect,
You are fighting an enormous army in their manufactured back garden...as such.
They will see such, and laugh.
By comprehending the basics, the system can be out flanked.
You must first comprehend how creation operates, and it is ever so simple, thus only a simple hobbit can see such.
You MUST first comprehend how the word energy is been used as a weapon, and nail down what energy is, otherwise You are playing their game plan, using descriptive words in a fact like manner without having any notion of what so called energy is.
hobbit
Just keep talking to us Hobbit. And be patient with us. One of these days the lightbulb will go on and we will all say
NOW I GET WHAT HE WAS SAYING. Till then just stick with us please.
Littleenki.... I am not sure that you have had much " truck" with a class of person I will call.... the " Welfare Mom"
Why would a woman who clearly has no job,or method of supporting them, have numerous babies? Lack of knowledge of the consequences? Maybe....
Lack of Knowledge.... no son..... some of these women are very smart in knowing just how to get the most from the system. EVERY kid born to her is a paycheck.
Does that sound harsh. So be it. If you have met a full blown Welfare Predator you will know exactly what I mean. They don't make a move without knowing that it will compensate them......
Not talking about the women who REALLY are between a rock and a hard place. This is a big country with a big heart and we should be able to take care of those who need help.
But these women are predators on the system. They are all the things that Undo has a hard time thinking people are calling her unjustly. But these women live up to the description. Just my opinion here.... Littleenki. I think that you have been lucky enough not to meet some of them... Linda
Linda,
i have seven or eight years behind Me of trying to verbalise something that isn't yet in the memory field of the vast majority of people.
I can cope with the frustration, it just wears Me down sometimes.
You are and have been a brilliant guide in coping with such.
it's why I keep banging on about basics, whilst all about me delight in complexity.
Eventually that light bulb will illuminate others to realise they have been dealt a fixed deck.
The words used have veiled the basic, and supplied a solution to what people don't comprehend.
ENERGY is one of those used words.
E=Mc2......twaddle in the extreme.
E...energy....nobody has a clue what it is.
=....nothing is equal, it's all sequencing.
M....mass , what mass????. what is mass????
c.....light, what is it????, it doesn't travel, it occurs.
2...an imaginary none occuring speed times itself.
TWADDLE.
hobbit
I suppose that everything that has been brought forth of the over population issues seems rather "Esoteric" rather than what it truly is. Zorgon has given the most substantial advice ion the whole of this thread, it is basis of supply and demand, though the PT B's do regulate our monetary schemes for purchasing our desired needs by way of Grocery stores, Convenience Stores and other facilities, we are bleeding from the over population ramifications.
The earth is ever dynamic it it's alteration from day to day, decade to decade, I mean, look at our current situation with Iowa, North Dakota, Nebraska, South Dakota, Indiana, etc. etc. This would be a global calamity, and would effect every single one of us in a most dramatic and profound way.
We are as the Locusts that so many religions currently bring up as a disaster scenario, but too out right come out and say that Over Population is nothing more than a farce? That isn't the fact, the fact is we have grown from 4B to 7B in less than 50 Years. Statistics are there, I wouldn't be so sure of your current thought processes of this matter.
As for the population control of or by our Government? yes, it has been proposed, but this was due to the fact that the scientists involved with this issue have done the math and do see a very bleak future looming in our not so far off horizon. The Sperm donor's and the receptacle's that have these children to milk the system for all it's worth is due to their laziness for the most part, that is for the ones that are knowingly doing this as a means of survival, but they would pay the hardest if this current state of affairs come to fruition. they are not and never could be prepared for what lies a head as far as what will be asked of them as a contributor, not a Moocher of sorts.
The threat of over population is very real, the food sources and water sources are being swallowed up as we speak, but yet, we have to think there is nothing wrong?
This is the problem with societal acceptances, go ask a farmer the difference from today and yest-er year, they have a story that will awaken you to the truth, that is if they even still have their farms, homes or previous lifestyles while feeding the world. Every body of water I have fished throughout my life has been effected thus far, this is my own personal observation of the situation being real according to the worsening of such important and natural resources. The earth doesn't produce the water, it is replenished, and without it, we are done.
The "PERIOD" you inseminated into your Thread is incorrect, sorry, but can't allow this too be revised as a government issue, it is a Species issue, All species, "PERIOD".
With Respects,
1Worldwatcher
Edited for time and population discreptancies, put 20 years, should have been 50 years. FYI TY
I understand that it is TWADDLE Hobbit but unfortunately such Twaddle helped men who didn't understand it entirely develop the atomic bomb.....
so it is dangerous twaddle. Can't be ignored. Just has to be somehow held in check until the rest of it is understood then all that " twaddle" can be put away forever because we will have stepped way beyond it.
So steady dear Hobbit. Linda
Things will right themselves for EARTH. She takes care of herself.
If food is scarce animals in the wild do not have as many babies.... if they do not live by those rules.... they starve. Period. What does that mean for our future since we are obviously not listening well enough to reduce our numbers ( HOWEVER IT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED) then famine for us too. Did we think that we were immune to that? Most of us must think that?
And of course there is disease which is quite capable of wiping out half of our population in just a few years if the right contagion began under the most advantageous conditions..........
And of course with food shortages you have civil and national unrest... and that might lead to an actual war if the right elements exist.
So do I worry about the humans harming the earth by overpopulating it? No I don't . She won't care.... she will go on just fine. Ask the rocks.
Its our problem and our solution and if not handled it then becomes our failed future. Period. Linda
this guy had me sold on his idea till he said religion would have to go. if the problem is lack of fair and equitable distribution of abundant resources, why even bring up how, what or who a person talks to in the space between their ears? that's not even a blip on the radar since the 2 things are totally separate concepts. one deals with something you do as a private individual, the other deals with what you do as a member of the society you live in. christians have adapted to modern society as a general rule and the more we adapt, the more we're told we aren't adapting, or alternately, we shouldn't adapt because it might somehow prove us to be hypocritical based on some guy's interpretation of the text. therefore we must be removed? i think that's his only big problem area. he talks about freedom, not being prejudice and then lets everyone know who is religious to any degree, whatsoever, that they aren't welcome.
why? we helped establish the technologies, most of which were spurred on by the free enterprise system. not that his ideas aren't valid, just that he has to preface it with -- no religious people. good grief charlie brown. tyrant your own brain. thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KphWsnhZ4Ag
Wow, Linda, thats it in a nutshell!
Disease could wipe the earth clean, and make mincemeat out of the populace with ease.
And those reactors in Fukushima, we have thousands more waiting to blow, so wait for it...boom! There goes humanity!:(((
Hobbit my friend, your post about E=mc2 is priceless, and for someone to challenge Einstein's theory of GR takes b@lls my friend, big Hobbit ones!LOL!
Ive read the book Unity now, and have spent countless hours studying why Einstein's theory is incomplete, and have to say, I heartily agree.
Of course he formulated that theory in the early 1900's and back then they werent privy to the truth as far as how the universe worked. he did the best he could, but it was wrong for so many to jump on the wagon with him, and make the theory doctrine.
Now, for energy, we know what it isnt, but how would you define the word?
Is it a lifeforce, or is it something that we are completely immersed in like the deep end of the pool?
Ill save my opinion on that for later, and although you state noone knows what it is, I am curious how you would define it if you were held hostage and made to. By a lowly bridge troll Id presume. :)
I know hobbity words can say a million different things, so to our friends here who speak elven or ogre, pay close attention!!!LOL!
If anyone can define energy, or what it isnt, it's you my friend.
Youve got the microphone!
Also what did you think about that Whittaker paper Steve posted at TTB.com?
It's pretty cool how Bearden broke it down, and thought it out. Youll be impressed, with the clarity, and the fact there isnt a lick of math in the whole paper.
http://www.duschl-engineering.de/QED.pdf
Thats another thing I liked about Unity, I didnt have to decipher the math parts to understand the whole pie.
Mmmm, rhubarb pie....:D
Be well, hobbity bud!
Littleenki
Quote from: undo11 on June 06, 2012, 08:56:14 PM
this guy had me sold on his idea till he said religion would have to go. if the problem is lack of fair and equitable distribution of abundant resources, why even bring up how, what or who a person talks to in the space between their ears? that's not even a blip on the radar since the 2 things are totally separate concepts. one deals with something you do as a private individual, the other deals with what you do as a member of the society you live in. christians have adapted to modern society as a general rule and the more we adapt, the more we're told we aren't adapting, or alternately, we shouldn't adapt because it might somehow prove us to be hypocritical based on some guy's interpretation of the text. therefore we must be removed? i think that's his only big problem area. he talks about freedom, not being prejudice and then lets everyone know who is religious to any degree, whatsoever, that they aren't welcome.
why? we helped establish the technologies, most of which were spurred on by the free enterprise system. not that his ideas aren't valid, just that he has to preface it with -- no religious people. good grief charlie brown. tyrant your own brain. thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KphWsnhZ4Ag
Good post, Beth!
Sound like a basic plan to me, with some room for improvement, but as it stands, I would happily live in that society, instead of this one.
Education is key, and the furtherment of automated technology would be paramount to what effectiveness this sort of world would exhibit.
I didnt find him to say religion had to go, just the killing and murdering in the name of it. And the images that were pasted on the screen during him saying that were mainly of the fanatical religions in the middle east.
Christianity is within all of us, and Christ himself would say, hey, thats a better way to live than what weve become.
It also paralleled a lot of what Amy has been writing about and had an eerie similarity to her ideas, so obviously shes on the right track.
His little city model should have a worship center for religious folks to go to, and Im sure he's thought that out. I personally would vote for a religious section where everyone could worship freely, and think that it would be great for folks to have the ability to worship at their convenience, in a friendly group.
In addition to the ideas presented there, I have to say we would need more space, and learn to live in places where humans havent, and utilizing that space would be a major improvement in the overdensitized cities we have now.
The biggest obstacle would be the violent and angry folks, who wouldnt let it happen without a fight, and that's what has quashed our progress all these years are the evil people who cant give up their anger and discourse with each other. How we would deal with those folks would be another key to success, as we might never convince them to give up their evil ways.
Ill get a sledge hammer if you do, and we can start tearing down the prisons that are our current cities, and towns, in favor of new and clean places to live.
Check out this area, its expensive to live there, but once money is gone it will become the model town. http://serenbe.com/
Once again, great video, just a few tweaks and the idea will be golden.
Thanks for showing me that one, Undo!
Dave
ENERGY.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy
Instead,
One simple flow that spins in both directions, in all directions.
It enables creation and annihilation.
It operates in a framework of universal proportions in STUFF that is perfectly packed, We presently have no way of knowing this framework exists, so it is as invisable to our 3D reality.
You could simplify into a black and white checkerboard , as the masons do .
Then the geometry kicks in upon that board in a complex way to enable the creation of elements , or periodic table.
Basically all is one , just mixed differently in a geometric tumbler.
hobbit
Perfectly put, Hobbit, as I expected, my friend!
No more words necessary.
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on June 06, 2012, 10:22:23 PM
Perfectly put, Hobbit, as I expected, my friend!
No more words necessary.
Le
Perhaps a picture???
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tiredoflondon/5393900436/in/set-72157625919662906
Geometry upon the matrix.
hobbit
LE
i dont think our progress has been squashed by violent and angry people, i think it's been squashed because, well, i haven't really covered this subject too indepth on z's forums but i believe something is eating people's body parts for dinner. like, we're on the menu. how to serve man and all that. the more deaths, the bigger the feast. war and starvation generates more deaths. although nuclear bombs don't, since they vaporize the first 5-400 miles of humans in a huge radius.
Remember that you have said this Littleenki
"How we would deal with those folks would be another key to success, as we might never convince them to give up their evil ways.[/color
]So learning to deal with them then is the big lesson? I am game if you are. It is not going to be easy....
Sometimes I would just like to take the song I believe is Morgans particularly..... where Jimmy Buffett sings
I'm a Piece of Work, I'm iron and lace, I'm shy right up there in your face***** I'm the CEO of the mail room clerks.........Lord have mercy what a Piece of Work."
Piece of Work! I was called that recently on the Hut and I have to admit smiling and thinking..." WELL! I have finally made the grade!!!!!"
Linda
Quote from: undo11 on June 06, 2012, 10:45:55 PM
LE
i dont think our progress has been squashed by violent and angry people, i think it's been squashed because, well, i haven't really covered this subject too indepth on z's forums but i believe something is eating people's body parts for dinner. like, we're on the menu. how to serve man and all that. the more deaths, the bigger the feast. war and starvation generates more deaths. although nuclear bombs don't, since they vaporize the first 5-400 miles of humans in a huge radius.
Instead of the physical, try and imagine SOMETHING that creates the physical.
The physical only exists because it is enabled to by SOMETHING.
YES, then think of all of so called food been killed, all the plants and animals, then stop thinking humans as been the pinacle of that food chain.
Do the lambs so happily bounding about, realise we are thinking of mint sauce????
hobbit
Over crowding? Don't know what to do with all the people?
Well fear not... the colony ships are ready and waiting :D
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/0NoOOFxm72g/0.jpg)
Just like the Sumerian Ark of Noah the last time Earth had issues...
Sumerians believed that the universe consisted of a flat disk enclosed by a tin dome. The Sumerian afterlife involved a descent into a gloomy netherworld to spend eternity in a wretched existence as a Gidim (ghost).
Here is Noah's Ark... all the flat disks with the tin roofs needed to make a viable regeneration of the planet. And yawl probably thought it was some silly wooden boat :P
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Star_Lost/galaxy_ark.jpg)
One of the most commonly misquoted parts of the Bible is the NUMBER of the Beasts that were on ark...
It was FOURTEEN of all the cleans beasts and FOUR of all the unclean beasts.... there is no way all those fit onto a little wooden boat. :P The 'two by two was simply the boarding order :P 14 and 4 is a much more biologically viable quantity to repopulates a wiped out planets
Genesis 7
1And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
5 And Noah did according unto all that the Lord commanded him.
Undo.... I am not sure how to respond to this....
war and starvation generates more deaths. although nuclear bombs don't, since they vaporize the first 5-400 miles of humans in a huge radius.
I don't think that I am going to respond to that impression. If thats what you want to think... then have at it because I know you don't need more ugly images to consider and I would be no help to you on this score.
They call it radiation sickness. Not good. but you are probably more familiar with it than most.
Thorfourwinds could probably be more informative but why should we dwell on something that we need to concentrate on avoiding?
How many Motorcycle riders out there? Do you recognize the dangers of focusing on something ahead of you on the road. Its a known fact that whatever you focus on...... YOU DRIVE TOWARD IT......
Same deal with show riders in a ring.... I always had to tell my students.... Focus on the next fence! On the next fence! If you look DOWN thats where you will find yourself!!!
Same deal here. I am sure there are all kinds of experts who have the sad job of collecting all of the facts about how devasting a nuclear strike would be. I don't really want to look at that here. Do you?
Thats why this Forum is so wonderful. We talk about Food and growing things and life affirming properties. Surely that is where we all should be encouraged to focus!!!
Some might think that a Forum is just talk but it is far more than that! Each one of us affects the others in wondrous ways that maybe only the Universe knows! And if there is a balance to all of this.... and I am sure that there is....I would hope that we would all find ourselves on the positive side..... and with our gaze firmly fixed on where we need to go...... Linda
Quote from: undo11 on June 06, 2012, 10:45:55 PM
LE
i dont think our progress has been squashed by violent and angry people, i think it's been squashed because, well, i haven't really covered this subject too indepth on z's forums but i believe something is eating people's body parts for dinner. like, we're on the menu. how to serve man and all that. the more deaths, the bigger the feast. war and starvation generates more deaths. although nuclear bombs don't, since they vaporize the first 5-400 miles of humans in a huge radius.
Wow, Undo, I cant wait to see that thread! Or the menu!:D
Le
Quote from: zorgon on June 06, 2012, 11:29:42 PM
Over crowding? Don't know what to do with all the people?
Well fear not... the colony ships are ready and waiting :D
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/0NoOOFxm72g/0.jpg)
Just like the Sumerian Ark of Noah the last time Earth had issues...
Sumerians believed that the universe consisted of a flat disk enclosed by a tin dome. The Sumerian afterlife involved a descent into a gloomy netherworld to spend eternity in a wretched existence as a Gidim (ghost).
Here is Noah's Ark... all the flat disks with the tin roofs needed to make a viable regeneration of the planet. And yawl probably thought it was some silly wooden boat :P
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Star_Lost/galaxy_ark.jpg)
One of the most commonly misquoted parts of the Bible is the NUMBER of the Beasts that were on ark...
It was FOURTEEN of all the cleans beasts and FOUR of all the unclean beasts.... there is no way all those fit onto a little wooden boat. :P The 'two by two was simply the boarding order :P 14 and 4 is a much more biologically viable quantity to repopulates a wiped out planets
Genesis 7
1And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
5 And Noah did according unto all that the Lord commanded him.
Cool post, Zorgon, Ive always thought of the ark as a dna and seed repository!
But, Undo's human barbecue sound pretty good too, I likey some bbq!
Le
Protein is protein. Turn anyone over 70 into wafers. That way you never have to worry about getting older and you know that you will be helpful in your passing. I dunno. It could probably be sold with the right conditioning!
If you are born into a world where that is the expectation I doubt that people would waste time or take their lives for granted. And nobody would put off fulfilling their " bucket list" when they hit 60 either.
There are solutions for everything actually.
But why go there? We can figure out how to feed everybody and give everybody enough space..... AND care for our elders .....then thats what we should be doing. There are plans for Moon colonies and Ocean colonies.... underground cities so that the surface stays pristine for recreation.... There are too many positive solutions to even count. and probably enough passion to go around once we all get in gear. Linda
hobbit said, "YES, then think of all of so called food been killed, all the plants and animals, then stop thinking humans as been the pinnacle of that food chain.
Do the lambs so happily bounding about, realise we are thinking of mint sauce?"
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hobbit, what do you mean when you say "so-called foods". Plants and animals are both here as for food for man (man was given "dominion", even though he somewhat gave that away), flesh eating animals eat whatever flesh is available, and plants feed and water themselves from the soil of the Earth, which is fertilized by animal waste, seasonal plant decay, and etc..
That process is pretty simple, until man begins to try to screw around with it in all sorts of ways. When it comes to the "all sorts of ways" in making our foods better", then there is where the "so called foods" terminology could be surely used - ie radiation, genetic plant hybrids, and on and on and on..........!
There is a reason - intelligent design - that everything is as it is. I am confident that man, the animals, and the plants are totally linked together, relative to every aspect of successful growth and life on this Planet. When we (man) start changing that "intelligent design", in whatever respect, then, to put it bluntly, "all hell can break loose",
While man exists at every point on the IQ scale, man knows so little about these "connecting links", that there should be very specific laws in place to preclude such "unintelligent redesign".
So often when "Man" thinks he is making change victories, even in the smallest ways, they often quickly are realized as disastrous consequences, and it doesn't even have to be to the intelligent design level.
For example - the DDT fiasco, if it is used there are some detrimental effects. If DDT is not used, millions of lives are lost. What this tells us is, man "just doesn't know much", ie doesn't really have a clue"!.
Here is a quote on someone's specifics concerning DDT: (JFYI)
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April 24, 2009
Tomorrow Is World Malaria Day -- We Need DDT-Day
By Todd Seavey
In 2000, African leaders vowed to reduce malaria deaths by 50% in ten years. Tomorrow marks the ninth anniversary of the vow, and though it hasn't been fulfilled, we are drawing very close to another marker of malaria's toll: 100 million dead from malaria since the Environmental Protection Agency's 1972 ban on DDT, the insecticide best suited to combat malarial mosquitoes.
For comparison, the total number of people killed by cigarette smoking in the twentieth century is thought to be about 60 million, total casualties from World War II perhaps as high as 70 million, and the total killed by Communist regimes about 100 million. Thus, anti-chemical greens (inspired by Rachel Carson's fear-mongering book Silent Spring) may already be humanity's most prolific killers -- and surely the most widely praised.
I think it was around 1972 when we had DDT made illegal, and at that time malaria was pretty well being controlled by DDT. Since 1972, over 100 million people have died from malaria, mostly because some man/woman and their "cause" was responsible for getting it made illegal???
So, 100,000,000 people have died pretty much because man did not know enough to understand and predict total results of what was seemingly, to a few, to be a change for good! And again, this is a pretty simple chemical change, that has had a huge negative impact! Does anyone want to eat foods modified by people who have no notion of the entire results on the design spectrum??
Now just a comment of this impact on population, with this example and one other example, that together, have directly reduced the "population" of the world by many millions, and will continue that reduction as every generation passes.
Make use of DDT illegal - - & --- and legalize abortions
*deaths from Malaria since making DDT illegal------------ = 100,000,000/no DDT
*abortions since 1974 - USA only ------------------------- = 60,000,000
basic population reduction ------------------------------ 160,000,000
assume 1st generation adds 1 child for 1 adult avg = 160,000,000
stop this account at 2 gens. Total World Reduction -- = 320,000,000
Now, to put that population reduction in perspective, the 2010 U. S. census found the population to be 308,745,538. If the U.S. abortions had not happened, with one generation of kids, today's population of the U.S. would be somewhere around 428,000,000. That equates to a population reduction in the United States of about 28%%
So, with this little review, (which is not intended to be exact exact), we can see that with just these two man-made decisions, the world population has been reduced by about 320 million people, to about 2012. And with every generation of kids, another 160,000,000 million will not be here, plus abortions continuing at a rate of a million + per year.
Now, intended or not, that is HUGE population control. Just think about the fact of how many less Babe Ruths that is, or Albert Einstein's, or George Washington's, or Benjamin Franklins, Clark Gables, or Winston Churchills, or Sam Houstons, or Louis and Clarks, or Martin Luther Kings, or Joe the Plumbers, or Ron Schmidts, or...................... all of the other known and unknown people all over the world, who would have made notable and needed positive impact on the lives of each of us, and on the lives of every human being.
Yes, this is very much population control!!! IMHO obviously! It really is sad, to think about all of these needless deaths, for both of these example items. And just as sad, "man" has no clue to the significance of the real impact to every area of technology, research, and pursuit of knowledge will be directly experienced by these tremendous losses.
Well done Rdunk! Good effort and research for that post! And math....oh dear Im lost already!LOL!
I have some DDT still that was in a shed when I bought my house 25 years ago, and those termites I had in 1998...They be GONE.
I used it to spray the areas around the foundation, and then covered those areas with soil and plants. Not 1 termite exists anywhere around my house, and in Florida, thats amazing!
Youre right about decisions making the effort not worth the loss, and when our fearless lizards make a decision like that, how it affects hundreds of millions in the long run.
I cant imagine how overdensitized our country would be if that law hadnt been passed, but abortion is a tough issue, and a tool for politicians to control us with.
I see what you said to Hobbit about how we have these animals and plants to feed our needs, and after eating a ribeye for dinner, I cant say much about that!
If we are to follow a doctrine involving our food chain and it's ethical definition, we also need to visualize how eating living things may affect our karma, yet is a necessity for healthy living...or is it?
Plant protein is sufficient for healthy living, and when we eat animals or other organic creatures, we are effectively ignoring the obvious gift given by whatever god or creator there is, within plant life.
There really is no need to eat animals and other living creatures with minds, but dont plants have a sort of mind, too?
So, I guess we are always eating something alive, and I wonder what the intention really was when mankind was presented with meat as a meal. And how did he decide to eat plants? I bet diahrrea was a big part of early man's dietary results.
Quite the conundrum, eh?
Le
rdunk
you should add the china statistics in there, since they've aborted an entire generation (for the last 40 years) of female children. think about how many people are in china, multiply that by pre-existing reproductive couples who contained a fertile female. the chances of increasing the population by the amount of people who are currently having no more than 1 child, times the last forty years. if you can do the statistics on that, you will be shocked at the sheer magnitude of loss of human life. it's unbelievable.
Quote from: undo11 on June 07, 2012, 05:08:43 AM
rdunk
you should add the china statistics in there, since they've aborted an entire generation (for the last 40 years) of female children. think about how many people are in china, multiply that by pre-existing reproductive couples who contained a fertile female. the chances of increasing the population by the amount of people who are currently having no more than 1 child, times the last forty years. if you can do the statistics on that, you will be shocked at the sheer magnitude of loss of human life. it's unbelievable.
Hi undo11 ! yes, there is a ton more of "stuff" that could/should be made known, so all will be aware! I was only trying to say enough to make the points of how unlearned man is at this point in our "age of technology development", and to show how really bad some of our decisions can impact unexpectedly (or maybe not unexpectedly) our lives, and this planet.
Here is a little more to put into the pile, re the man-made population control during the 20th century. Obviously, these numbers would not reflect the many millions in generational affect, that would take place over the 100 year period. And probably China's is far greater than is noted, during that time period!
http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html (http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html)
i understand they needed to do something because they would run out of food and resources using their current set up. but as z pointed out in one of his other threads regarding rehousing the homeless fukushima/tsunami survivors (i think over at ats), they have at least 2 cities full of empty skyscraper apartments that were built to sustain an industry that didn't pan out for some reason. it's eerie. beautiful, modern city, no people in it at all. then everyone packed like sardines in aging buildings in main population centers.
here's an article on it
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2005231/Chinas-ghost-towns-New-satellite-pictures-massive-skyscraper-cities-STILL-completely-empty.html
video on it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPILhiTJv7E
Yes, it is a little crazy, but, you know what, evil has always existed! And the "fight" with what is good in this world is ever continuing. I know that does not "compute" for everyone, but nothing in the mix of societal actions really ever changes, over time, no matter the "times" we live in. Throughout history, there have always been the "dastardly" inhuman events by man, taking place.
There is a plan in all of this! Even many of those that don't accept what is taught in the Bible, still believe that somehow, from somewhere, even if off-planet, there is "somebody" involved in beginning of man, and in the destiny of Man. I am just absolutely comfortable in what I have learned, and accept as the truth of and for man!!
But, in saying that, it doesn't take anything away my hate for the many mistakes of man, that costs hundreds of millions of lives!!!
Quote from: Littleenki on June 06, 2012, 10:11:52 PM
Good post, Beth!
Sound like a basic plan to me, with some room for improvement, but as it stands, I would happily live in that society, instead of this one.
Education is key, and the furtherment of automated technology would be paramount to what effectiveness this sort of world would exhibit.
I didnt find him to say religion had to go, just the killing and murdering in the name of it. And the images that were pasted on the screen during him saying that were mainly of the fanatical religions in the middle east.
Christianity is within all of us, and Christ himself would say, hey, thats a better way to live than what weve become.
It also paralleled a lot of what Amy has been writing about and had an eerie similarity to her ideas, so obviously shes on the right track.
His little city model should have a worship center for religious folks to go to, and Im sure he's thought that out. I personally would vote for a religious section where everyone could worship freely, and think that it would be great for folks to have the ability to worship at their convenience, in a friendly group.
In addition to the ideas presented there, I have to say we would need more space, and learn to live in places where humans havent, and utilizing that space would be a major improvement in the overdensitized cities we have now.
The biggest obstacle would be the violent and angry folks, who wouldnt let it happen without a fight, and that's what has quashed our progress all these years are the evil people who cant give up their anger and discourse with each other. How we would deal with those folks would be another key to success, as we might never convince them to give up their evil ways.
Ill get a sledge hammer if you do, and we can start tearing down the prisons that are our current cities, and towns, in favor of new and clean places to live.
Check out this area, its expensive to live there, but once money is gone it will become the model town. http://serenbe.com/
Once again, great video, just a few tweaks and the idea will be golden.
Thanks for showing me that one, Undo!
Dave
yeah i think his ideas are otherwise very cool. it wasn't in this particular video that he discussed how religion was just not going to work for the new world examples he was developing. i don't even go to church, in the modern sense of it, i just pray and talk to my family, and people on the net, and if i need a specific prayer request, i ask hubby or kids to pray with me on it, but other than that, i wouldn't even use a church building, even if he added them to the blueprints and someone built them, cause i'm a christian and according to jesus, you are the church building, you're are the temple of god. even solomon's temple appears to be a metaphor for the human being, with the holy of holies behind the veil, resting in essentially the same spot as the pineal gland. this is why the veil in the temple was rent when jesus died and resurrected, cause the building was no longer the residence of god, but rather the believer's body.
anyway. all that aside, i just think the universities and churches and societies around the world are cranking out people who are not given all the information, so it's easier to manipulate them and i'm pretty sure i am right in there with them too, as the more i learn, the more i realize how much nobody told me before. it's okay but i kinda like expected instant access to the big database of the universe, not access later based on an endless chain of "Do this and then do that and maybe we might tell give the first letter in the next part of the data, that is 10,000s of pages long". the "maybe" part, i think is being artificially induced by humans who have the info and don't share it. particularly with females, who have been historically looked upon as necessary inconveniences.
An insightful post for me to understand you better by, Beth, thanks!
I, too started early in a church, and realized quickly the place was a shell of sorts, and I needed to learn outside in the world.
I have alway tried to be a good person inherently, and follow the teachings of Christ, so in reality you could say that I am a Christian, too, as Jesus taught me to follow my heart and not to let anyone instill fear or bad ideas into my head.
I think a lot of what has occured in the past has been a grasping at straws to figure out just what is necessary to be a good well rounded person, and the many religions have made it a "come over to our side or else" feeling, and thats what turns off many to religions or ancient beliefs that began as a solid doctrine of hope and love.
The body as a church is a fact, and within us are all the answers we seek, no need for someone to tell us or even as you say, tease us with a look at the next page. The correlations between Solomon's Temple, Abydos, Baalbek, and all of these amazing structures has shown me the seriousness of how those ancient folks knew how to worship with flair, and metaphorically charged buildings and such were their way of carving it in stone.
Imagine if none of the dead sea scrolls, or the tablets of Sumer were ever found. If all of the Glyphs and beautiful artwork in Peru and Central America had never been carved. If noone had felt a need to build such grandiose temples and structures, filled with their ideas carved into granite and diorite, what symbolism or indicators would we have?
I always think,"if someone wanted to take the time to chip it into hard stone, it had better have been important", and one glyph, or one line of cuneform can say volumes compared to how we write and speak today, so what they were conveying was ever so important, we cant ignore any of it!
Personally, I think Jesus was the embodiment of mankind, and did have some connection to the divine, and for him to share his wonderous lessons with others in a time when any dissention would get you crucified showed his determination to pass along what he had seen and learned as a righteous man. Religion or not, Christian or not, he will be my single most special person in my heart, and the man who showed me that I dont have to allow others to send me astray.
I also think that is why, even through our disagreements within this forum, you and I always find our way back to each other the next day, with an open heart, and a passion for learning.
That bond is unmistakeable, and proves to me that we were meant to communicate and learn from each other(although I think youve got more knowledge to offer me, than I you;)), and it's the crux of who we are as the next generation of folks who understand and apply this knowledge to the fishbowl of our world.
The tower of Babel will rise again, and when it does this time, we will all be on the same page.
Have a great mornin'
Littleenki
LE
new city jerusalem is an interesting thing. have you read about it? it comes down to earth from the sky, is what sounds to be a cube, but some argue that it's a pyramid.
Quote from: hobbit on June 06, 2012, 07:23:27 PM
With buckets full of respect,
You are fighting an enormous army in their manufactured back garden...as such.
They will see such, and laugh.
By comprehending the basics, the system can be out flanked.
You must first comprehend how creation operates, and it is ever so simple, thus only a simple hobbit can see such.
You MUST first comprehend how the word energy is been used as a weapon, and nail down what energy is, otherwise You are playing their game plan, using descriptive words in a fact like manner without having any notion of what so called energy is.
hobbit
I imagine You're right, hobbity, but until *I* fully grasp - I have My fingertips on the fringes at best here - I must work with the parameters I see as best for communicating. My forte is economics and the meaning of money as it relates to the expenditure of this thing called "energy." On that platform I can stand with strength.
As Linda said, though, keep communicating, offering insight, and soon We will indeed have that AHA moment. I do appreciate Your efforts!
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 06, 2012, 07:00:09 PM
Has anyone read of the studies which have recently shown that the incidence of male reproductive infertility has been climbing?
Did I dream that study?
If it is true.... then perhaps something or someone has already been addressing the issue. It might take a hundred years but if thats the case the population will dwindle " naturally".....
It may be that Mother Earth is already addressing the issue and we just haven't noticed it yet.
Linda
I have heard that too, but I don't believe it is "Mother Earth" so much as it is "chemtrails in the sky..." And drugs in the water, and other nefarious NWO BS.
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 07, 2012, 05:11:36 PM
I imagine You're right, hobbity, but until *I* fully grasp - I have My fingertips on the fringes at best here - I must work with the parameters I see as best for communicating. My forte is economics and the meaning of money as it relates to the expenditure of this thing called "energy." On that platform I can stand with strength.
As Linda said, though, keep communicating, offering insight, and soon We will indeed have that AHA moment. I do appreciate Your efforts!
Amy,
"This so called energy"
Is transferable, I can do such.
Look into reiki and huna.
We are HANDED, as is all.
With intent I can GIVE so called energy to another.
I have reason to KNOW that process operates both ways.
Think in terms of vampires , but not in any manner physical.
This planet is basically a farm, it operates to a sequence of creation that outweighs annihilation.
This process is invisable to our now dominant senses, not though invisable to such as myself.
I do not judge the overall reasoning for what is presently occuring as I am just as veiled as most people.
I am driven to comprehend how the system operates, then I will better comprehend the current agenda.
But without re-learning how this system operates We are the blind leading the blind, and ever so easily led off the cliff edge by the piper.
hobbit
You give them way too much credit without seeing the cause underneath.... just my simple opinion!
"I have heard that too, but I don't believe it is "Mother Earth" so much as it is "chemtrails in the sky..." And drugs in the water, and other nefarious NWO BS.
And who pulls which strings? Linda
Quote from: rdunk on June 07, 2012, 06:29:20 AM
But, in saying that, it doesn't take anything away my hate for the many mistakes of man, that costs hundreds of millions of lives!!!
If the soul is Eternal... no matter your religion... then what matters it in the cosmic scheme of things if hundreds of millions of meat suits perish?
The soul will simply relocate elsewhere and shine again...
The Universe cares not about good or evil... and dark energy makes up over 75% of the Universe as opposed to the light. A star goes supernova and in an instantaneous flash of light any planet with life forms near that star will evaporate and leave no trace that it was ever there
"If the soul is eternal"
Think in terms of those dolmen.
Think of coming back to an exact location froms't where You evacuated a vehicle going to the scrap yard, and finding a nice new model under construction for YOU to jump into.
Timing is imperative when the field of the moon reverses locally the opposite vortices.
The skull and bones , or the ashes placed on a very precise point within a fully sealed and insulated dolmen( insulated alla Wilhemn reich, alternate layers of organic and inorganic0
And kept on a sheet of gold.
hobbit
Quote from: zorgon on June 07, 2012, 06:13:58 PM
If the soul is Eternal... no matter your religion... then what matters it in the cosmic scheme of things if hundreds of millions of meat suits perish?
The soul will simply relocate elsewhere and shine again...
The Universe cares not about good or evil... and dark energy makes up over 75% of the Universe as opposed to the light. A star goes supernova and in an instantaneous flash of light any planet with life forms near that star will evaporate and leave no trace that it was ever there
Hello zorgon, good question! As a Christian, my eternal destiny is sealed, even with the "earnest" of the Holy spirit. So, for myself, whatever things happen, they are of no eternal consequence to me. As the Apostle Paul said, "to die is gain"!
However, that is not the case for many, if not most, and, "there is just not much time left". We are each individually responsible for what we believe, and our decisions in that regard.
"Natural" catastrophes of all types kill people everywhere all of the time, without extended warning. Those events strike significantly into the hearts of men and women (all of us) who see these things happen, for we are caring individuals, by human nature. We are just built that way!
So, for sure, "while we remain here on this earth) when we see man making decisions that result in the unnecessary taking of millions of human lives, then, Divine recourse is solicited, but that recourse often comes in the form of God taking action, through "his man" (as with Noah for instance)!
I am surprised that God himself hasn't burned the United States to the ground already, because of all of the lives taken through abortions. Of course, if and when such might happen (or happened), for the most part, it would also be judged as just another natural event/catastrophe, rather than the justice of God being sent forth! Of course, his the "real justice" will be delivered in the end!
Nope, my concern is just as is for most when we see these hellish things happening. We hate it and sympathize with the people involved, in spite of our thoughts on the "end-game"!
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 07, 2012, 05:57:43 PM
You give them way too much credit without seeing the cause underneath.... just my simple opinion!
"I have heard that too, but I don't believe it is "Mother Earth" so much as it is "chemtrails in the sky..." And drugs in the water, and other nefarious NWO BS.
And who pulls which strings? Linda
I am about as in the dark as You are (perceived by Me at this time). I don't think They are Human...
If you think that then you might be interested in a conversation that is beginning to brew on the Project Xerxes site. The topic of " The Watchers" had come up on a very early forum discussion (2006). Mikado made the statement that there were two types.... and my impression was that neither of THEM as he meant it.... were human either.
And Undo.... this will be right into your area of expertise.... Talking about ancient civilizations here... just your speed I think! What do you think about these " entities ( what else to call them?) that some have called " Watchers". Do you think that Mikado was right in saying that some of them were " fallen?"
Not sure what that means to most of us but you guys know alot more about the writings of a man named Stictchin ??? sp???? than I do. Mikado said that he has an autographed copy of his book. I haven't read it. Linda
Just finished reading that thread so far. Very interesting, indeed.