Overpopulation is a myth. Period.

[rdunk]

hobbit said, "YES, then think of all of so called food been killed, all the plants and animals, then stop thinking humans as been the pinnacle of that food chain.
Do the lambs so happily bounding about, realise we are thinking of mint sauce?"
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hobbit, what do you mean when you say "so-called foods". Plants and animals are both here as for food for man (man was given "dominion", even though he somewhat gave that away), flesh eating animals eat whatever flesh is available, and plants feed and water themselves from the soil of the Earth, which is fertilized by animal waste, seasonal plant decay, and etc..

That process is pretty simple, until man begins to try to screw around with it in all sorts of ways. When it comes to the "all sorts of ways" in making our foods better", then there is where the "so called foods" terminology could be surely used - ie radiation, genetic plant hybrids, and on and on and on..........!

There is a reason - intelligent design -  that everything is as it is. I am confident that man, the animals, and the plants are totally linked together, relative to every aspect of successful growth and life on this Planet. When we (man) start changing that "intelligent design", in whatever respect, then, to put it bluntly, "all hell can break loose",

While man exists at every point on the IQ scale, man knows so little about these "connecting links", that there  should be very specific laws in place to preclude such "unintelligent redesign".

So often when "Man" thinks he is making change victories, even in the smallest ways, they often quickly are realized as disastrous consequences, and it doesn't even have to be to the intelligent design level.

For example  - the DDT fiasco, if it is used there are some detrimental effects. If DDT is not used, millions of lives are lost. What this tells us is, man "just doesn't know much", ie doesn't really have a clue"!.

Here is a quote on someone's specifics concerning DDT: (JFYI)

 
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April 24, 2009
Tomorrow Is World Malaria Day -- We Need DDT-Day

By Todd Seavey

In 2000, African leaders vowed to reduce malaria deaths by 50% in ten years.  Tomorrow marks the ninth anniversary of the vow, and though it hasn't been fulfilled, we are drawing very close to another marker of malaria's toll: 100 million dead from malaria since the Environmental Protection Agency's 1972 ban on DDT, the insecticide best suited to combat malarial mosquitoes. 

For comparison, the total number of people killed by cigarette smoking in the twentieth century is thought to be about 60 million, total casualties from World War II perhaps as high as 70 million, and the total killed by Communist regimes about 100 million.  Thus, anti-chemical greens (inspired by Rachel Carson's fear-mongering book Silent Spring) may already be humanity's most prolific killers -- and surely the most widely praised.

I think it was around 1972 when we had DDT made illegal, and at that time malaria was pretty well being controlled by DDT. Since 1972, over 100 million people have died from malaria, mostly because some man/woman and their "cause" was responsible for getting it made illegal???

So, 100,000,000 people have died pretty much because man did not know enough to understand and predict total results of what was seemingly, to a few, to be a change for good! And again, this is a pretty simple chemical change, that has had a huge negative impact! Does anyone want to eat foods modified by people who have no notion of the entire results on the design spectrum?? 

Now just a comment of this impact on population, with this example and one other example, that together, have directly reduced the "population" of the world by many millions, and will continue that reduction as every generation passes.

Make use of DDT illegal - -  & --- and legalize abortions

*deaths from Malaria since making DDT illegal------------ = 100,000,000/no DDT

*abortions since 1974 - USA only -------------------------  = 60,000,000

     basic population reduction ------------------------------    160,000,000

     assume 1st generation adds 1 child for 1 adult avg    = 160,000,000

     stop this account at 2 gens.  Total World Reduction -- = 320,000,000

Now, to put that population reduction in perspective, the 2010 U. S. census found the population to be 308,745,538. If the U.S. abortions had not happened, with one generation of kids, today's population of the U.S. would be somewhere around 428,000,000. That equates to a population reduction in the United States of about 28%%

So, with this little review, (which is not intended to be exact exact), we can see that with just these two man-made decisions, the world population has been reduced by about 320 million people, to about 2012. And with every generation of kids, another 160,000,000 million will not be here, plus abortions continuing at a rate of a million + per year.

Now, intended or not, that is HUGE population control. Just think about the fact of how many less Babe Ruths that is, or Albert Einstein's, or George Washington's, or Benjamin Franklins, Clark Gables, or Winston Churchills, or Sam Houstons, or Louis and Clarks, or Martin Luther Kings, or Joe the Plumbers, or Ron Schmidts, or...................... all of the other known and unknown people all over the world, who would have made notable and needed positive impact on the lives of each of us, and on the lives of every human being.

Yes, this is very much population control!!! IMHO obviously! It really is sad, to think about all of these needless deaths, for both of these example items. And just as sad, "man" has no clue to the significance  of the real impact to every area of technology, research, and pursuit of knowledge will be directly experienced by these tremendous losses. 

           
   

[Littleenki]

Well done Rdunk! Good effort and research for that post! And math....oh dear Im lost already!LOL!

I have some DDT still that was in a shed when I bought my house 25 years ago, and those termites I had in 1998...They be GONE.
I used it to spray the areas around the foundation, and then covered those areas with soil and plants. Not 1 termite exists anywhere around my house, and in Florida, thats amazing!

Youre right about decisions making the effort not worth the loss, and when our fearless lizards make a decision like that, how it affects hundreds of millions in the long run.
I cant imagine how overdensitized our country would be if that law hadnt been passed, but abortion is a tough issue, and a tool for politicians to control us with.

I see what you said to Hobbit about how we have these animals and plants to feed our needs, and after eating a ribeye for dinner, I cant say much about that!

If we are to follow a doctrine involving our food chain and it's ethical definition, we also need to visualize how eating living things may affect our karma, yet is a necessity for healthy living...or is it?

Plant protein is sufficient for healthy living, and when we eat animals or other organic creatures, we are effectively ignoring the obvious gift given by whatever god or creator there is, within plant life.

There really is no need to eat animals and other living creatures with minds, but dont plants have a sort of mind, too?
So, I guess we are always eating something alive, and I wonder what the intention really was when mankind was presented with meat as a meal. And how did he decide to eat plants? I bet diahrrea was a big part of early man's dietary results.

Quite the conundrum, eh?

Le

[undo11]

rdunk

you should add the china statistics in there, since they've aborted an entire generation (for the last 40 years) of female children.  think about how many people are in china, multiply that by pre-existing reproductive couples who contained a fertile female.   the chances of increasing the population by the amount of people who are currently having no more than 1 child, times the last forty years.   if you can do the statistics on that, you will be shocked at the sheer magnitude of loss of human life.  it's unbelievable.

[rdunk]

rdunk

you should add the china statistics in there, since they've aborted an entire generation (for the last 40 years) of female children.  think about how many people are in china, multiply that by pre-existing reproductive couples who contained a fertile female.   the chances of increasing the population by the amount of people who are currently having no more than 1 child, times the last forty years.   if you can do the statistics on that, you will be shocked at the sheer magnitude of loss of human life.  it's unbelievable.

Hi undo11 ! yes, there is a ton more of "stuff" that could/should be made known, so all will be aware! I was only trying to say enough to make the points of how unlearned man is at this point in our "age of technology development", and to show how really bad some of our decisions can impact unexpectedly (or maybe not unexpectedly) our lives, and this planet.

Here is a little more to put into the pile, re the man-made population control during the 20th century. Obviously, these numbers would not reflect the many millions in generational affect, that would take place over the 100 year period. And probably China's is far greater than is noted, during that time period!

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html

[undo11]

i understand they needed to do something because they would run out of food and resources using their current set up.   but as z pointed out in one of his other threads regarding rehousing the homeless fukushima/tsunami survivors (i think over at ats), they have at least 2 cities  full of empty skyscraper apartments that were built to sustain an industry that didn't pan out for some reason.  it's eerie.  beautiful, modern city, no people in it at all.  then everyone packed like sardines in aging buildings in main population centers.

here's an article on it
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2005231/Chinas-ghost-towns-New-satellite-pictures-massive-skyscraper-cities-STILL-completely-empty.html

[undo11]

video on it

[rdunk]

Yes, it is a little crazy, but, you know what, evil has always existed! And the "fight" with what is good in this world is ever continuing. I know that does not "compute" for everyone, but nothing in the mix of societal actions really ever changes, over time, no matter the "times" we live in. Throughout history, there have always been the "dastardly" inhuman events by man, taking place.

There is a plan in all of this! Even many of those that don't accept what is taught in the Bible, still believe that somehow, from somewhere, even if off-planet, there is "somebody" involved in beginning of man, and in the destiny of Man. I am just absolutely comfortable in what I have learned, and accept as the truth of and for man!!

But, in saying that, it doesn't take anything away my hate for the many mistakes of man, that costs hundreds of millions of lives!!!

[undo11]

Good post, Beth!
Sound like a basic plan to me, with some room for improvement, but as it stands, I would happily live in that society, instead of this one.

Education is key, and the furtherment of automated technology would be paramount to what effectiveness this sort of world would exhibit.

I didnt find him to say religion had to go, just the killing and murdering in the name of it. And the images that were pasted on the screen during him saying that were mainly of the fanatical religions in the middle east.

Christianity is within all of us, and Christ himself would say, hey, thats a better way to live than what weve become.

It also paralleled a lot of what Amy has been writing about and had an eerie similarity to her ideas, so obviously shes on the right track.

His little city model should have a worship center for religious folks to go to, and Im sure he's thought that out. I personally would vote for a religious section where everyone could worship freely, and think that it would be great for folks to have the ability to worship at their convenience, in a friendly group.

In addition to the ideas presented there, I have to say we would need more space, and learn to live in places where humans havent, and utilizing that space would be a major improvement in the overdensitized cities we have now.

The biggest obstacle would be the violent and angry folks, who wouldnt let it happen without a fight, and that's what has quashed our progress all these years are the evil people who cant give up their anger and discourse with each other. How we would deal with those folks would be another key to success, as we might never convince them to give up their evil ways.

Ill get a sledge hammer if you do, and we can start tearing down the prisons that are our current cities, and towns, in favor of new and clean places to live.

Check out this area, its expensive to live there, but once money is gone it will become the model town.  http://serenbe.com/

Once again, great video, just a few tweaks and the idea will be golden.

Thanks for showing me that one, Undo!

Dave

yeah i think his ideas are otherwise very cool.  it wasn't in this particular video that he discussed how religion was just not going to work for the new world examples he was developing.  i don't even go to church, in the modern sense of it, i just pray and talk to my family, and people on the net, and if i need a specific prayer request, i ask hubby or kids to pray with me on it, but other than that, i wouldn't even use a church building, even if he added them to the blueprints and someone built them, cause i'm a christian and according to jesus, you are the church building, you're are the temple of god.   even solomon's temple appears to be a metaphor for the human being, with the holy of holies behind the veil, resting in essentially the same spot as the pineal gland.  this is why the veil in the temple was rent when jesus died and resurrected, cause the building was no longer the residence of god, but rather the believer's body.

anyway.  all that aside, i just think the universities and churches and societies around the world are cranking out people who are not given all the information, so it's easier to manipulate them and i'm pretty sure i am right in there with them too, as the more i learn, the more i realize how much nobody told me before.  it's okay but i kinda like expected instant access to the big database of the universe, not access later based on an endless chain of "Do this and then do that and maybe we might tell give the first letter in the next part of the data, that is 10,000s of pages long". the "maybe" part, i think is being artificially induced by humans who have the info and don't share it.  particularly with females, who have been historically looked upon as necessary inconveniences.   

[Littleenki]

An insightful post for me to understand you better by, Beth, thanks!

I, too started early in a church, and realized quickly the place was a shell of sorts, and I needed to learn outside in the world.
I have alway tried to be a good person inherently, and follow the teachings of Christ, so in reality you could say that I am a Christian, too, as Jesus taught me to follow my heart and not to let anyone instill fear or bad ideas into my head.

I think a lot of what has occured in the past has been a grasping at straws to figure out just what is necessary to be a good well rounded person, and the many religions have made it a "come over to our side or else" feeling, and thats what turns off many to religions or ancient beliefs that began as a solid doctrine of hope and love.

The body as a church is a fact, and within us are all the answers we seek, no need for someone to tell us or even as you say, tease us with a look at the next page. The correlations between Solomon's Temple, Abydos, Baalbek, and all of these amazing structures has shown me the seriousness of how those ancient folks knew how to worship with flair, and metaphorically charged buildings and such were their way of carving it in stone.

Imagine if none of the dead sea scrolls, or the tablets of Sumer were ever found. If all of the Glyphs and beautiful artwork in Peru and Central America had never been carved. If noone had felt a need to build such grandiose temples and structures, filled with their ideas carved into granite and diorite, what symbolism or indicators would we have?

I always think,"if someone wanted to take the time to chip it into hard stone, it had better have been important", and one glyph, or one line of cuneform can say volumes compared to how we write and speak today, so what they were conveying was ever so important, we cant ignore any of it!

Personally, I think Jesus was the embodiment of mankind, and did have some connection to the divine, and for him to share his wonderous lessons with others in a time when any dissention would get you crucified showed his determination to pass along what he had seen and learned as a righteous man. Religion or not, Christian or not, he will be my single most special person in my heart, and the man who showed me that I dont have to allow others to send me astray.

I also think that is why, even through our disagreements within this forum, you and I always find our way back to each other the next day, with an open heart, and a passion for learning.

That bond is unmistakeable, and proves to me that we were meant to communicate and learn from each other(although I think youve got more knowledge to offer me, than I you;)), and it's the crux of who we are as the next generation of folks who understand and apply this knowledge to the fishbowl of our world.

The tower of Babel will rise again, and when it does this time, we will all be on the same page.

Have a great mornin'
Littleenki

[undo11]

LE

new city jerusalem is an interesting thing.  have you read about it?   it comes down to earth from the sky, is what sounds to be a cube, but some argue that it's a pyramid.

[Amaterasu]

With buckets full of respect,

You are fighting an enormous army in their manufactured back garden...as such.
They will see such, and laugh.

By comprehending the basics, the system can be out flanked.

You must first comprehend how creation operates, and it is ever so simple, thus only a simple hobbit can see such.

You MUST first comprehend how the word energy is been used as a weapon, and nail down what energy is, otherwise You are playing their game plan, using descriptive words in a fact like manner without having any notion of what so called energy is.
hobbit

I imagine You're right, hobbity, but until *I* fully grasp - I have My fingertips on the fringes at best here - I must work with the parameters I see as best for communicating.  My forte is economics and the meaning of money as it relates to the expenditure of this thing called "energy."  On that platform I can stand with strength.

As Linda said, though, keep communicating, offering insight, and soon We will indeed have that AHA moment.  I do appreciate Your efforts!

[Amaterasu]

Has anyone read of the studies which have recently shown that the incidence of male reproductive infertility has been climbing?

Did I dream that study?

If it is true.... then perhaps something or someone has already been addressing the issue. It might take a hundred years but if thats the case the population will dwindle " naturally".....

It may be that Mother Earth is already addressing the issue and we just haven't noticed it yet.

Linda

I have heard that too, but I don't believe it is "Mother Earth" so much as it is "chemtrails in the sky..."  And drugs in the water, and other nefarious NWO BS.

[hobbit]

I imagine You're right, hobbity, but until *I* fully grasp - I have My fingertips on the fringes at best here - I must work with the parameters I see as best for communicating.  My forte is economics and the meaning of money as it relates to the expenditure of this thing called "energy."  On that platform I can stand with strength.

As Linda said, though, keep communicating, offering insight, and soon We will indeed have that AHA moment.  I do appreciate Your efforts!

Amy,
"This so called energy"
Is transferable, I can do such.
Look into reiki and huna.
We are HANDED, as is all.
With intent I can GIVE so called energy to another.
I have reason to KNOW that process operates both ways.
Think in terms of vampires , but not in any manner physical.

This planet is basically a farm, it operates to a sequence of creation that outweighs annihilation.
This process is invisable to our now dominant senses, not though invisable to such as myself.
I do not judge the overall reasoning for what is presently occuring as I am just as veiled as most people.

I am driven to comprehend how the system operates, then I will better comprehend the current agenda.
But without re-learning how this system operates We are the blind leading the blind, and ever so easily led off the cliff edge by the piper.
hobbit

[Linda Brown]

You give them way too much credit without seeing the cause underneath.... just my simple opinion!

"I have heard that too, but I don't believe it is "Mother Earth" so much as it is "chemtrails in the sky..."  And drugs in the water, and other nefarious NWO BS.

And who pulls which strings?   Linda

[zorgon]

But, in saying that, it doesn't take anything away my hate for the many mistakes of man, that costs hundreds of millions of lives!!!

If the soul is Eternal... no matter your religion... then what matters it in the cosmic scheme of things if hundreds of millions of meat suits perish?

The soul will simply relocate elsewhere and shine again...

The Universe cares not about good or evil... and dark energy makes up over 75% of the Universe as opposed to the light. A star goes supernova and in an instantaneous flash of light any planet with life forms near that star will evaporate and leave no trace that it was ever there