I was adding recomended links when i thought of ULO's. I was wondering if theres been any news since his website went down. Im still looking for the ebook i got from his site. I remember the "Follow the white rabbit" messege he left.
Mispeled the name. Its Sturm not Strum. lol
I still cant find that ebook. Must have been on the HD that got wiped. Its 117 pages long. Alot of great images. Does anyone here have a copy?
Its called "ULOs: Unidentified Lunar Objects Revealed In NASA Photography"
Website was here http://www.lunomaly.com/ but it closed. Used to display that rabbit messege though.
Quote from: Vandalis on June 21, 2012, 03:41:42 AM
Mispelled the name. Its Sturm not Strum. lol
I still cant find that ebook. Must have been on the HD that got wiped. Its 117 pages long. Alot of great images. Does anyone here have a copy?
Its called "ULOs: Unidentified Lunar Objects Revealed In NASA Photography"
Website was here http://www.lunomaly.com/ but it closed. Used to display that rabbit messege though.
Allan Sturm and another guy (he produced some other moon movies but I cannot remember his name) were getting ready to release a movie containing those photos and more he had. When I heard that he was no longer going ahead with the movie I called and asked him what the deal was. He told me that he got a call and was told not to go ahead with the movie.
When I questioned him further he said, "John I told you, if you ask another question about the movie we will no longer be talking to each other." One thing I remember was that the called told him that 'some of the objects are real, some or not."
Why would some be real and some not?
Allan and I have been friends for several years and my name would have been in the forward of the book but at the time I was sick and didn't reply to his email. He specializes in Apollo photos and I specialize in Orbiter photos.
He says he likes the Apollo photos better because he gets super quality photos from Arizona State University.
I have respected his request to not ask him any more questions.
About 6 months ago he called and said he was on his way to Vegas to talk to me and would call me when he got in since then I haven't heard a word. If he got to Vegas, he never called me.
I think I saw a post of his within the past 6 months but I can't remember where or when.
There must be something his photos show that mine or Rons do not show. Why are some real and some or not? And how would the caller know. And why would Allan not tell me about the caller? What is so secret about his Apollo photos?
I got one of the first hard copies. When the caller called he told Allan "no books, no videos, no movies," so I was one of the lucky ones.
The same day he got the call he made the rabbit comment on his website, then, nothing more.
Thanks for the post because it was a reminder to look a little closer and see what I might find.
Thx for the info John.
Must have been a very threatning phone call he got. :(
Yeah i only had the the ebook version. Got it when you could donate as much as you wanted to get a copy.
Really wanted to look through it again. Ive no idea where i put it though. Dont know if anyone here has the ebook versoin. Ive tried searchin the internet but still cant find anywhere that has it.
The book is great! He has gone missing. I'm on it to search for the ebook versions - he does have a youtube (can't find it atm):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc4mIUXIvME
here is the Veritas interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj-fpWFLkZ4
I'll get back to ya!
I would love to find a copy of that book. Please share if anyone here has a link to the book!
Thanks in advance. :) :) :) :) :) :)
Quote from: watchZEITGEISTnow on July 05, 2012, 03:30:10 AM
The book is great! He has gone missing.
He has gone 'missing' due to threats against him to stop
He was selling an ebook version for $5.00 before he hung up his hat
Quote from: johnlear on June 21, 2012, 04:32:20 AM
Allan Sturm and another guy (he produced some other moon movies but I cannot remember his name) were getting ready to release a movie containing those photos and more he had.
That was Luna Cognita... who is a friend of Zorgon's He has been silent for a while too
Hi all,
have been in touch with Allan, in the past, as John L. knows.
Last time, Allan said that he was going to abandon all search about Moon,
because of that phone call .. and he was, too, ashamed with his divorce.
He ended with that " white rabbit hole " ...
But, I have his Ebook, here on my HD !
Problem is I don't know how to send or share :(
I'll have to wait till arriving of my daughter " Ortie " (member of Pegasus),
this evening at home : I think she can help me sharing it with you all.
It's a really amazing work ! I was very disapointed when Allan said it was
ended ... I try to find out his last Email to me and will share it on the forum.
(all this is a little difficult to me as I changed PC last year, and change too
from windows to Linux, and I'm far far away from being a specialist ! )
All the best :)
Guerande
Ps : John, comment va votre santé ???
@Zorgon : just find out Ulos - A.Sturm's Ebook - on my HD !
I think I have to drop it on Dropbox or similar system ?
Then, with references, y'll have to pick it up there, and then share on the
forum ? Is that right ? :-\
If so, confirm plse, as I'm not going to send it to Dropbox or another one
without good reasons 8)
Or maybe should I give Dropbox reference here on thread, and everybody can
load it ?
Don't know :( It's up to you :P
Replied via PM
Nice to see you still lurking :D
Using the Wayback Machine...
Here is Allans's original site (http://web.archive.org/web/20090414115451/http://www.lunomaly.com/)
The text is still all there, but the images are not, and the youtube links are private
The White Rabbbit comment feb 7 2011 (http://web.archive.org/web/20110207210309/http://lunomaly.com/)
Quote from: Exterminator on July 05, 2012, 10:17:49 PM
That was Luna Cognita... who is a friend of Zorgon's He has been silent for a while too
Some of Luna's work is interesting. Shame he mixed up the good stuff with some clearly NOT anomalous material. Why does everyone do that?
UFO disease
That is when you run out of good material and pick up on anything to keep the audience
Quote from: Pimander on July 06, 2012, 10:25:25 AM
Some of Luna's work is interesting. Shame he mixed up the good stuff with some clearly NOT anomalous material. Why does everyone do that?
Everybody does it because nobody is perfect.
Posting our research means taking a risk that we will be wrong in public. And for every good anomaly posted by a researcher, they've probably found at least a dozen crap ones, stuff that is either wrong or ambiguous or which would cause them nothing but grief if they posted it.
I've probably got more than a dozen for every one I've posted, and then at least half of those can or will be explained prosaically.
I think a mixture of both of your explanations is correct.
@Zorg : I'm always lurking, each day , several times a day :)
But as my " technic " is so bad, I can't really do more than lurking ...
I just discover a way to transfer to each one of you the Lunomaly affair.
Will do it just after lunchtime :) it's right now, and in France it's soooooo much
important :P Yes, it is, even with a communist president as Francois II , shame on us >:( >:( >:(
All the best :)
Guerande
And craziness, sometimes crazy people post this stuff. They'll get a couple hits and lots of misses and they can be prolific - they are an outlier that skews the stats.
*Crazy can also mean sociopathy. I have no doubt that there are a few sociopaths taking advantage of people by using this field.
For example: a crazy will post a moth or a moisture related 'orb' and say it is a spaceship because he is a nutcase, but a sociopath or borderline will post the moth/orb knowing full-well what it is, whilst trying to convince people it is an alien somethingorother - this person enjoys tricking people, whereas the crazy thinks he is actually helping them gain some new knowledge and is innocent by virtue of his illness.
That's the darker side of things.
Quote from: guerande on July 06, 2012, 11:40:09 AM
Yes, it is, even with a communist president as Francois II , shame on us >:( >:( >:(
Does he advocate collective ownership of the means of production?
Well ... in some sort, yes ! if I understand yr question .
He says he is " socialist ", but in fact, he is getting us back to Ussr system :(
Controlling everything in our life, personnal life ! And taxing as never done
before, as our state need so much money we don't ever have >:(
Love a copy of the ebook!
Another rare in print is Wayne Hershals - Forbidden Records - that book is a doozy! http://www.thehiddenrecords.com/forbidden_starmap.htm
Zorgon will share, as soon as I'll share with him.
Be patient ...
I'm surprised as to so few people did get that ebook ; It was cheap and
of very good interest !
All the best
Guerande
Quote from: watchZEITGEISTnow on July 06, 2012, 01:58:29 PM
Love a copy of the ebook!
Another rare in print is Wayne Hershals - Forbidden Records - that book is a doozy! http://www.thehiddenrecords.com/forbidden_starmap.htm
The one few books I have bought.
Wayne is ridiculed a lot last year. Whatever the issue is exactly, he did plagiarized things?... crap it.
That book has a big point there 8)
I want a copy too.
Zebigboss , aka Zorgon , is now loading Allan's Ebook !
Hope he will soon share with you all ;)
Allan, if you are reading this ( who knows ? ) it would be very nice
if you could share your experience with us ... I was very sad seeing you
leaving our common hobby !
All the best :)
Guerande
Quote from: guerande on July 06, 2012, 02:15:27 PM
I'm surprised as to so few people did get that ebook ; It was cheap and
of very good interest !
Because they are all cheap buggers :P Can't give the guy 5$ but then are all "Oh where did he go?"
::)
That file took three tries and that French server is slow as molasses in Antarctica :o
Uploading it now
Will have to give link via PM Its 97megs so don't want a mad rush on the server
If you want it, send me a pm (this is for Johny come laters :P)
Its about 50% loaded but my FTP program is no longer working right Something to do with IP settings since I had that Cox cable shutdown the other day. I think it changed IP on me
So uploading direct from server control panel
Quote from: exuberant1 on July 06, 2012, 11:42:11 AM
And craziness, sometimes crazy people post this stuff. They'll get a couple hits and lots of misses and they can be prolific - they are an outlier that skews the stats.
*Crazy can also mean sociopathy. I have no doubt that there are a few sociopaths taking advantage of people by using this field.
For example: a crazy will post a moth or a moisture related 'orb' and say it is a spaceship because he is a nutcase, but a sociopath or borderline will post the moth/orb knowing full-well what it is, whilst trying to convince people it is an alien somethingorother - this person enjoys tricking people, whereas the crazy thinks he is actually helping them gain some new knowledge and is innocent by virtue of his illness.
That's the darker side of things.
Greetings:
Quote...the crazy thinks he is actually helping them gain some new knowledge and is innocent by virtue of his illness.
That clarifies quite a bit of the field of questions collecting in the corner for further analysis.
Thank you for your astute observations.
Peace Love Light
tfw
Liberty & Equality or Revolution
Okay all who requested it so far have a PM with a link to a file server
Still cannot upload it to my server for some odd reason
Anyone else coming along drop me a PM
Quote from: exuberant1 on July 06, 2012, 11:42:11 AM
And craziness, sometimes crazy people post this stuff. They'll get a couple hits and lots of misses and they can be prolific - they are an outlier that skews the stats.
*Crazy can also mean sociopathy. I have no doubt that there are a few sociopaths taking advantage of people by using this field.
For example: a crazy will post a moth or a moisture related 'orb' and say it is a spaceship because he is a nutcase, but a sociopath or borderline will post the moth/orb knowing full-well what it is, whilst trying to convince people it is an alien somethingorother - this person enjoys tricking people, whereas the crazy thinks he is actually helping them gain some new knowledge and is innocent by virtue of his illness.
That's the darker side of things.
Ok after reading that I don't know if I am a Crazy person, Sociopath or Nutcase for researching Orbs. Maybe all 3. CSN.
I will say, that I have never to my knowledge posted something that I knew was something and said differently. The rest you should look into. After doing thousands of Orbs, you will find out.....If you go back in time here you will see that we did do Mothera.
Hey my wife says I am crazy for wasting my time on the internet, so at least I have 1/3 down pat. Thanks
Well researching Orbs puts you in the 'nuts' department so ya have 2/3 :D
Better get with the program we need perfection here 3/3 or out the door
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/pickinonme.gif)
Quote from: zorgon on July 07, 2012, 11:43:05 AM
Well researching Orbs puts you in the 'nuts' department so ya have 2/3 :D
Better get with the program we need perfection here 3/3 or out the door
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/pickinonme.gif)
Maybe this will earn me the last third.
Here is a picure of an Orb being photographed by a second person. I have both photos. The person taking this photo was more than 6 feet away. This is a very tight crop. Maybe it is a firefly but they said they have none. Are we left with Orbs or water droplets? I so do want to get that final 1/3. I don't like doors.
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/pictureofpicture.jpg)
This picture may or may not make one think.
C&N Deuem working on S
I said moisture related orbs.
Quote from: exuberant1 on July 07, 2012, 12:17:53 PM
I said moisture related orbs.
I agree, the moisture Orbs or as I call them the invasion fleets ( for fun ) are prety easy to spot and weed out. It is the very defined single Orbs that are not. It is a hobby of mine to collect these and process them to see what I can fiind out. I process everything I can that has to do with light. We do have a few Orb threads here in Lindas section. It gets to be like chasing UFOs. Its that last few percent that can't be explained away. Like the ones that are 50 feet away and up under something. Others photographed with more than one camera at the same time to get a fix on location. It's fun if you like it.
Deuem
Look at it this way, if you were a UFO that wished to remain so, you'd do your scooting around in the rain whenever possible.
Seen in that light, hunting for anomalies in such photos is not such a bad idea - so long as you can separate the signal from the noise, so to speak.
Quote from: exuberant1 on July 07, 2012, 12:54:26 PM
Look at it this way, if you were a UFO that wished to remain so, you'd do your scooting around in the rain whenever possible.
Seen in that light, hunting for anomalies in such photos is not such a bad idea - so long as you can separate the signal from the noise, so to speak.
Seeing between the noise and the signal is the hard part. It seems like every crackpot that has a computer wants to be the next Spielberg. They even have UFO schools here. That is CGI UFO schools. I do like that shot of a shot I posted. It made me stop and think. Having both shots made it even harder. To my knowledge water vapor at over 6 feet is not going to show up as a 2 inch ball on two cameras. So this end of the crazy stuff makes life interesting enough to hobby it.
I am also sure I have been faked out. Some are so good it is hard to tell. CGI has come a long way and now it seems we have to team up to figure it out. When the team is stumped, it gets interesting again.
Deuem
CGI has ruined UFO videos for me.
I don't investigate them anymore unless I'm doing it IRL. The internet still has some good cases, but they really do get swamped over and buried by the other ones.
*Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance.
Love the book! Thanks for sharing.
Now I need to rejoin all the slides back to one PDF so I can print it out at work! ;D
Yay im glad somone still has a copy. Thx for gettign it out there. I was poor when i got my copy. Lucky for me you could donate as much as u wanted to. Think i got mine for $2 lol.
Think ill make some copys so i dont loose it again. Then im goona give it another look over.
Some really nice finds in that book.
Most IMPORTANT thing in that book
The NASA IMAGE NUMBERS :D
Someone have time to make a list of them? Then I can get the original photos
Quote from: exuberant1 on July 07, 2012, 02:54:22 PM
*Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance.
What IF the only truth is UFO's are an elaborate CIA Psyops Program?
I have documents for that ;)
Quote from: deuem on July 07, 2012, 12:13:04 PM
This picture may or may not make one think.
Never mind the orb... whazdat creepy alien on the right :o
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/pictureofpicture.jpg)
Quote from: zorgon on July 07, 2012, 09:58:14 PM
Most IMPORTANT thing in that book
The NASA IMAGE NUMBERS :D
Someone have time to make a list of them? Then I can get the original photos
I'm busy in Palmdale right now but should have sometime on Monday.
AS08-12-2209
AS08-13-2244
AS08-13-2246
AS08-13-2267
AS10-28-4012
AS11-41-6139
AS12-52-7757
AS15-88-12002
AS15-M-2502
AS17-150-22942
AS17-150-22948
AS17-151-23260
AS17-151-23261
AS17-162-24106
:-*
AS17-162-24106
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS17/162/24106.jpg) (http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS17/162/24106.jpg)
Credit NASA Interesting blue on this copy - Click for full size
AS17-151-23261
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS17/151/23261.jpg) (http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS17/151/23261.jpg)
Credit NASA - Click for full size
AS17-151-23260
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS17/151/23260.jpg) (http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS17/151/23260.jpg)
Credit NASA - Click for full size
AS17-150-22948
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS17/150/22948.jpg) (http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS17/150/22948.jpg)
Credit NASA - Click for full size
AS17-150-22942
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS17/150/22942.jpg) (http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS17/150/22942.jpg)
Credit NASA - Click for full size
AS15-M-2502
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS15/M/2502.jpg) (http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS15/M/2502.jpg)
Credit NASA - Click for full size
AS15-88-12002
Seems to be no high res available....
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/browse/AS15/88/12002.jpg)
Oh wait... found one in full color :D
(http://lpod.org/coppermine/albums/userpics/Aristarchus%20%26%20Herodotus%20AS15-88-12002_colour%2B.jpg) (http://lpod.org/coppermine/albums/userpics/Aristarchus%20%26%20Herodotus%20AS15-88-12002_colour%2B.jpg)
Credit NASA - Click for full size
(http://www.lpod.org/coppermine/albums/userpics/Aristarchus%20&%20Herodotus%20AS15-88-12002.jpg) (http://www.lpod.org/coppermine/albums/userpics/Aristarchus%20&%20Herodotus%20AS15-88-12002.jpg)
Credit NASA - Click for full size
AS12-52-7757
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS12/52/7757.jpg) (http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS12/52/7757.jpg)
Credit NASA - Click for full size
(http://keithlaney.net/ApolloOrbitalimages/AS12/AS12-52-7757.jpg) (http://keithlaney.net/ApolloOrbitalimages/AS12/AS12-52-7757.jpg)
keithlaney.net - Click for full size
AS12-52-7745
(http://keithlaney.net/ApolloOrbitalimages/AS12/AS12-52-7745.jpg) (http://keithlaney.net/ApolloOrbitalimages/AS12/AS12-52-7745.jpg)
keithlaney.net - Click for full size
AS12-52-7739
(http://keithlaney.net/ApolloOrbitalimages/AS12/AS12-52-7739.jpg) (http://keithlaney.net/ApolloOrbitalimages/AS12/AS12-52-7739.jpg)
keithlaney.net - Click for full size
AS11-41-6139
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS11/41/6139.jpg) (http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS11/41/6139.jpg)
Credit NASA - Click for full size
AS10-28-4012
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/browse/AS10/28/4012.jpg)
Credit NASA - best LPI has
(http://www.keithlaney.net/ApolloOrbitalimages/AS10/AS10-28-4012.jpg) (http://www.keithlaney.net/ApolloOrbitalimages/AS10/AS10-28-4012.jpg)
Credit keithlaney.net - Click for full size
(http://www.holyconservancy.org/images/PLAN/MOON/AS08/AS10-28-4012B.jpg) (http://www.holyconservancy.org/images/PLAN/MOON/AS08/AS10-28-4012B.jpg)
Credit holyconservancy.org - Click for full size
AS08-13-2267
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/browse/AS08/13/2267.jpg)
Credit NASA - best LPI has
(http://keithlaney.net/ApolloOrbitalimages/AS8/as08-13-2267.jpg) (http://keithlaney.net/ApolloOrbitalimages/AS8/as08-13-2267.jpg)
Credit keithlaney.net - Click for full size
AS08-13-2246
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/browse/AS08/13/2246.jpg)
Credit NASA - best LPI has
(http://history.nasa.gov/ap08fj/photos/13-e/med/as08-13-2246.jpg) (http://history.nasa.gov/ap08fj/photos/13-e/med/as08-13-2246.jpg)
Credit NASA - Medium - Click for full size
(http://history.nasa.gov/ap08fj/photos/13-e/hr/as08-13-2246hr.jpg) (http://history.nasa.gov/ap08fj/photos/13-e/hr/as08-13-2246hr.jpg)
Credit NASA - HR - Click for full size
AS08-13-2244
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/browse/AS08/13/2244.jpg)
Credit NASA - best LPI has
(http://history.nasa.gov/ap08fj/photos/13-e/med/as08-13-2244.jpg) (http://history.nasa.gov/ap08fj/photos/13-e/med/as08-13-2244.jpg)
Credit NASA - Medium - Click for full size
(http://history.nasa.gov/ap08fj/photos/13-e/hr/as08-13-2244hr.jpg) (http://history.nasa.gov/ap08fj/photos/13-e/hr/as08-13-2244hr.jpg)
Credit NASA - HR - Click for full size
(http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo8/hires/as08-13-2244.jpg) (http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo8/hires/as08-13-2244.jpg)
Credit NASA Spaceflight- HR - Click for full size
AS08-12-2209
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/browse/AS08/12/2209.jpg)
Credit NASA - best LPI has
(http://history.nasa.gov/ap08fj/photos/12-d/med/as08-12-2209.jpg) (http://history.nasa.gov/ap08fj/photos/12-d/med/as08-12-2209.jpg)
Credit NASA - Medium - Click for full size
(http://history.nasa.gov/ap08fj/photos/12-d/hr/as08-12-2209hr.jpg) (http://history.nasa.gov/ap08fj/photos/12-d/hr/as08-12-2209hr.jpg)
Credit NASA - HR - Click for full size
(http://keithlaney.net/ApolloOrbitalimages/AS8/AS08-12-2209.jpg) (http://keithlaney.net/ApolloOrbitalimages/AS8/AS08-12-2209.jpg)
Credit keithlaney.net - Click for full size
Okay That is the list...
If I find other HR versions I will add them to the posts
Have fun :D
Nice Z thanks!
Hey I bet NASA never thought one day we'd be able to rotate the images for them eh? ;P
I did once get a sore neck watching some of the Apollo footage with my head tilted.
Heres some Apollo footage for you all:
http://archive.org/details/Apollo07And0816mmOnboardFilm
http://archive.org/details/Apollo1016mmOnboardFilm1
http://archive.org/details/Apollo1016mmOnboardFilm2
http://archive.org/details/Apollo1116mmOnboardFilm
http://archive.org/details/Apollo1216mmOnboardFilm
http://archive.org/details/Apollo1416mmOnboardFilm
http://archive.org/details/Apollo15And1616mmOnboardFilm
http://archive.org/details/Apollo1616mmOnboardFilm
http://archive.org/details/Apollo1716mmonboardfilm
:)
What? Not enough material to hunt through?
:o
::)
Well there were those recent Chinese Moon images that I haven't found yet....
*hint hint*
...and you only got yourself to blame - if it wasn't for you I'd be watching Who wants to be a celebrity chef millionaire survivor!
So yeah - your fault!
;D
If you find anything in the new LRO data that looks like a probe where a probe should not be, I'd recommend getting in touch with Elon Musk's company.
Such a probe would contain instruments - instruments which have gathered valuable data and which cost someone a fortune to send moonwards.
*Don't go any less than $10 000. Hold out if they try and haggle you down because you've got the upperhand here.
Be nice if we could keep this thread for Allan Sturms images.
Lets put LRO and Chines non pictures into a new thread.
There are hundreds of anomalies in these images according to Allen and some of these images we have already looked at ourselves.
too many images at once just buries everything :D
Quote from: watchZEITGEISTnow on July 08, 2012, 03:25:44 AM
AS08-12-2209
AS08-13-2244
AS08-13-2246
AS08-13-2267
AS10-28-4012
AS11-41-6139
AS12-52-7757
AS15-88-12002
AS15-M-2502
AS17-150-22942
AS17-150-22948
AS17-151-23260
AS17-151-23261
AS17-162-24106
:-*
Thanks for the list, somehow I knew you'd come through... 8)
Thanks for helping and sharing, Zorg !
@John : if you remember my " fingers " in Copernicus ' pic, I think
photo was from Allan's book ... and no ancient Pegasus site !
All the best :)
Guerande
I 2nd the thanks this is incredible I rotated some pictures what you can see is incredible. Buildings villages some big some small huge strip mining. I think much of what we view as craters are strip mines just amazing :) :)
Its amazing what keeping them in black and white does to the image it all blends together. If these pics were in true Lunar color we would see so much more going on. I am so happy to be here!!! :) 8)
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on July 31, 2012, 03:42:24 AM
Its amazing what keeping them in black and white does to the image it all blends together. If these pics were in true Lunar color we would see so much more going on. I am so happy to be here!!! :) 8)
I never saw any difference between colour and greyscale images. ???
Quote from: ArMaP on July 31, 2012, 09:41:29 PM
I never saw any difference between colour and greyscale images. ???
I'm not an expert but I'll bet you military Photographic Intelligence prefer to use colour photographs for aerial surveillance. It definitely shows things that are difficult to spot on black and white picture (greyscale). Notice how Clementine is colour (Navy Project). Coincidence? Nope.
I did some work for this company the other day :-X
http://www.uavsaustralia.com/
I'll leave all the einstein stuff to those that know, and in saying so i found their video of FOG Removal really interesting :D
Infact their whole silly Youtube Channel is Interesting :o
http://www.youtube.com/user/UAVsAustralia
I should not post things like that as now someone will come and check us out 8)
Quote from: Pimander on July 31, 2012, 10:24:15 PM
I'm not an expert but I'll bet you military Photographic Intelligence prefer to use colour photographs for aerial surveillance.
I know that using ultraviolet (or infrared, I don't remember which) helps to distinguish what is natural from what is artificial.
QuoteIt definitely shows things that are difficult to spot on black and white picture (greyscale).
That's what I was thinking, I don't remember seeing something visible in colour but difficult to spot on greyscale. But I do remember seeing things better in greyscale than in colour, as it's easier to become a victim of optical illusions, as the way our vision works is very dependent on colour.
QuoteNotice how Clementine is colour (Navy Project). Coincidence? Nope.
No coincidence, as they were not colour photos, they were greyscale images from several different filters, like the photos from all other probes/satellites/rovers/landers that I remember.
Quote from: ArMaP on August 01, 2012, 01:32:45 AM
I know that using ultraviolet (or infrared, I don't remember which) helps to distinguish what is natural from what is artificial.
I read in some material from Navy intelligence reading lists that they use infra red in "mapping" but it hinted for more than that.
In my experience working for DIA/SSO we would have to put together everyday the NID (National Intelligence Daily) which was a report put together in DC and transmitted to Hq's. In my case USSOUTHCOM. We would receive the message, read it, analyse it and then put it in a form that the American Ambassor, the COS CIA, and the CINC would could perview in a timely manner. That included adding maps or photos of the areas that were being discussed. All photos we used were black and white. We had a massive library of photos of military equipment, personnel and maps. That was the most interesting time I spent in the military. We never, ever used color. We found it was easier to identify objects be it a bear Tupolev Tu-95 or a map of Djibouti Africa.
Rock 8)
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 01, 2012, 03:21:20 AM
All photos we used were black and white. We had a massive library of photos of military equipment, personnel and maps. That was the most interesting time I spent in the military. We never, ever used color. We found it was easier to identify objects be it a bear Tupolev Tu-95 or a map of Djibouti Africa.
That's really interesting. At an RAF recruitment event, I was shown colour aerial pictures. I seem to remember identifying some Phantoms (easy I suppose) but not being able to see some artillery positions that were under some trees. If I remember, some of the pictures were B&W but some had colour. Maybe they gave us colour to make it harder?
For all you would be Anomaly Hunters...
Not everyone can see the objects quickly and clearly... some people literally see only blurry rocks. These people generally will not believe that you can. yet the Military pays people who do have the eyes big bucks :P
There are many reasons, monitors being one, a closed mind is another :P, eyeglass, poor vision, but some people cannot separate shades of gray... then all they can see is blurry rocks,
Another point is SCALE. Until you wrap your mind around the SCALE you are looking at its hard to spot things
Some people. like my daughter, can bounce into the room and just look at a picture and point things out, some that I have to take a double look to see. This happened in Johns Moon thread... it took several days for me to get the scale in my head and then I started spotting things (after which Johna and I met :D )
Here is an example of what I am getting at. The bottom photo was used as a bombing mission. See the objects marked 'rocket' and 'trailer'? There is your scale
Royal Air Force reconnaissance photograph of V-2 rockets at Peenemünde Test Stands I and VII
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Peenemunde_test_stand_VII.jpg)
Today Google Earth has much better resolution :P
54° 8' 34.8" N, 13° 47' 38.4" E
I can see why I wasn't selected for photo intel lol. I can barely see the words rocket and trailer. :o
Quote from: Pimander on August 01, 2012, 04:29:55 AM
I can see why I wasn't selected for photo intel lol. I can barely see the words rocket and trailer. :o
I suppose they didn't had to work with such low quality photos, as that image shows what some people do to try to "enhance" the photos: they change the contrast to make some things look sharper. What they do not understand is that they are removing information from the photo, so it becomes harder to see what was
really there.
I agree that a lot of the time so called enhancements of images are not helpful. They also frequently create the illusion something is there that isn't.
On the topic of scale, maybe we should invent a PRC system. What about little pictures of things people instinctively know the size of in the corner of images we are analysing? Things like a planet Earth, a space shuttle, house, a car, a Boeing 737, a cat, a hammer (for close up pictures) in the corner of images would give us perspective on the objects in an image.....
We could have some standard little pictures to put in the corner. Ones for space images and another set for pictures from orbiters or landers.
Just a thought. Let me know what you think.
Well, I've spent quite a few hours going over Mr. Sturm's e-book and downloading the photos on the list. I called up the e-book and split screen my photos next to it. I tried to find the hi-lighted areas of interest Mr. Sturm points out. Although I was able to find all the 'items', the image quality was less than desired. I had to really 'adjust' the photo to get it to reveal objects of interest. Which leads me to believe I really don't know what the hell I'm doing. The software I have is no way comparable to the software he uses. The photos I have are of less quality than the ones he uses. All in all, it leaves me feeling very, very amateurish (which is what I am). ??? :o ::)
So I've decided to instead of trying to match he's work and confirm in my mind that what I'm seeing, everyone else can see, to just load the photo list and without his guide of what's there and what's not, search as I usually do and point out things that 'I' think I see, whether it matches his items or not....
I have to remember this is suppose to be fun.. ;D
Peace
Rock 8)
Quote from: zorgon on July 08, 2012, 04:21:46 AM
AS11-41-6139
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS11/41/6139.jpg) (http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS11/41/6139.jpg)
Credit NASA - Click for full size
there is an anomaly at the bottom leftish near center its like an upside down L
i cant copy & paste it in paint or i would have it marked. it shows up if you blow it
up full size then bottom middle left below that black mass .
Dam my skills >:(
Is this what you were talking about?
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/backwardsL.jpg)
http://(http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr152/stealthyaroura/moonpig.jpg)[/img]](http://[img]http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr152/stealthyaroura/moonpig.jpg)[/img] (http://[img)No its in the 1st small black crater at bottom left an L on its side
Here is a list of better versions of almost all of those photos. :)
The one for which I couldn't fins a better version was photo AS10-28-4012.
Photo AS15-M-2502 is a special case, as the metric photos have already been digitized by the Apollo Image Archive project, so you can get a 1.2GB, 16 bits per pixel TIFF. :)
Some of the images are TIFFs, found on the Internet Archive site, and the quality is very good, even if the resolution is not much bigger than the ones you already posted. :)
AS17-162-24106 - http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a17/AS17-162-24106HR.jpg (slightly bigger)
AS17-151-23261 - http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseop/photo.pl?mission=AS17&roll=151&frame=23261&QueryResultsFile=134412484535041.tsv
AS17-151-23260 - http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseop/photo.pl?mission=AS17&roll=151&frame=23260&QueryResultsFile=134412484535041.tsv
AS17-150-22948 - http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseop/photo.pl?mission=AS17&roll=150&frame=22948&QueryResultsFile=134412494834201.tsv
AS17-150-22942 - http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseop/photo.pl?mission=AS17&roll=150&frame=22942&QueryResultsFile=134412494834201.tsv
AS15-88-12002 - http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseop/photo.pl?mission=AS15&roll=88&frame=12002&QueryResultsFile=134412504754921.tsv
AS12-52-7757 - http://archive.org/download/AS12-52-7757/AS12-52-7757.tif
AS12-52-7745 - http://archive.org/download/AS12-52-7745/AS12-52-7745.tif
AS12-52-7739 - http://archive.org/download/AS12-52-7739/AS12-52-7739.tif
AS11-41-6139 - http://archive.org/download/as11-41-6139/as11-41-6139.tif
AS08-13-2267 - http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseop/photo.pl?mission=AS08&roll=13&frame=2267&QueryResultsFile=134412513555561.tsv
AS08-13-2246 - http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseop/photo.pl?mission=AS08&roll=13&frame=2246&QueryResultsFile=134412513555561.tsv
AS08-13-2244 - http://archive.org/download/as08-13-2244/as08-13-2244.tif
AS08-12-2209 - http://archive.org/download/as08-12-2209/as08-12-2209.tif
PS: sorry for the ugly looking list, but it's getting late here. :)
Thanks ArMaP you always come through...
@stealthyaroura
I'll give it another try...
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/lazyL.jpg)
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 05, 2012, 02:19:35 AM
Thanks ArMaP you always come through...
@stealthyaroura
I'll give it another try...
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/lazyL.jpg)
YES!!!! after i just struggled to upload it DAM.
nice work Sgt.
can i stake my claim to that one? must be worth a virtual high 5
or some gold maybe ;)what is it?
is it mine?can i claim it.
I saw that "L" and was going to post it - and then remembered I don't have much in the way of image processing software...yet.
Good catch, stealth!
Quote from: Amaterasu on August 05, 2012, 03:40:47 AM
I saw that "L" and was going to post it - and then remembered I don't have much in the way of image processing software...yet.
Good catch, stealth!
amy :) DO not lie, that is mine ALL MINE :)
Do not steal my thunder!
(now where is my gold?)
Yeah you can have it. But what about the other 'L' i found? Don't i get credit for that one? Lolol :P
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 05, 2012, 04:13:27 AM
Yeah you can have it. But what about the other 'L' i found? Don't i get credit for that one? Lolol :P
well it is an upside down L as well i suppose so have some gold. ;)
mine is good though no? nice job on the bigness job ya did.
Quote from: stealthyaroura on August 05, 2012, 04:06:50 AM
amy :) DO not lie, that is mine ALL MINE :)
Do not steal my thunder!
(now where is my gold?)
LOL! I was just going to confirm Your sighting! Yes, it's Yours, and I give Ya gold!
Quote from: Amaterasu on August 06, 2012, 02:31:54 AM
LOL! I was just going to confirm Your sighting! Yes, it's Yours, and I give Ya gold!
we can share it. it will only be a matter of time till someone reveals that they
actually found it years ago LOL
oh do have some gold, virtual of course ;)
Merci. [smile]
I do think We were not amongst the very first to see it, indeed.
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 05, 2012, 02:19:35 AM
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/lazyL.jpg)
I'm at risk of sounding like a broken record here, any chance of a scale here?
Hi everyone,
just wanted to say that his site is back up.
http://lunomaly.com/
Statue? Maybe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39uG1ZdRj34
Sarge, if you pause the vid at 1:48 and look at the outside rim of the crater approximately 1/4 over from the left side and up 20% from the bottom edge I see what looks like an entrance complete with square walls and a square lintel over it very plainly... can you isolate that and do a screen cap of it?
seeker
Quote from: the seeker on April 09, 2014, 02:22:55 AM
Sarge, if you pause the vid at 1:48 and look at the outside rim of the crater approximately 1/4 over from the left side and up 20% from the bottom edge I see what looks like an entrance complete with square walls and a square lintel over it very plainly... can you isolate that and do a screen cap of it?
seeker
Yes I saw it while I was tooling around the photo. I was going to do another one of that area. Haven't done this in awhile and wanted to do something simple to start with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alCVLGS1iZc
Sarge great to see you at work again. love it. gold.
Thanks, beaudreaux, you nailed that one; looks like a portal or entrance to my tired old eyes in both spots...
seeker
Quote from: LSWONE on April 08, 2014, 07:52:12 PM
Hi everyone,
just wanted to say that his site is back up.
http://lunomaly.com/
I can confirm Allan Sturm is back ! Hope h'll do a great job as he did
with his book : )
Yes Allan is back and on Google+ He posted some interesting photos from a Russian source. See below.
http://mentallandscape.com/C_CatalogMoon.htm
Spotted this interesting photo today. Looks like something artificial that missed the airbrush perhaps:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-87-11697 (http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-87-11697)
Quote from: Ellirium113 on May 25, 2014, 03:30:47 PM
Spotted this interesting photo today. Looks like something artificial that missed the airbrush perhaps:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-87-11697 (http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-87-11697)
This?
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/AS15-87-11697_1.jpg)
Sure it's artificial, it's the command module (I think that's the name).
think it's the lunar module, armap; they took the pic from the command module... 8)
seeker
Quote from: the seeker on May 25, 2014, 08:57:16 PM
think it's the lunar module, armap; they took the pic from the command module... 8)
Maybe, but to me it looks more like this:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Apollo_CSM_lunar_orbit.jpg)
than this:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Apollo_11_Lunar_Module_Eagle_in_landing_configuration_in_lunar_orbit_from_the_Command_and_Service_Module_Columbia.jpg)
perhaps; i can't blow the image up very much; mayhap a shot from the lm instead...
seeker
In cases like this I do two things:
1 - Look at the photos before and after that one;
The photo Ellirium113 posted was photo AS15-87-11697
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/browse/AS15/87/11697.jpg)
The photo before that one is (obviously) photo AS15-87-11696
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/browse/AS15/87/11696.jpg)
And the one before that is photo AS15-87-11695, the first in that roll.
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/browse/AS15/87/11695.jpg)
There are two photos from the same sequence after the one posted by Ellirium113, photo AS15-87-11698
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/browse/AS15/87/11698.jpg)
and photo AS15-87-11699.
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/browse/AS15/87/11699.jpg)
2 - Look for other sources, the first I try being (usually) The Gateway to Astronaut Photography of Earth (http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/).
This is the photo posted by Ellirium113.
(http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/DatabaseImages/ISD/highres/AS15/AS15-87-11697.JPG)
Another source for the same photo, The Project Apollo Archive (http://www.apolloarchive.com/) (that has the description for that photo as "view of CSM from Lunar Module").
(http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a15/AS15-87-11697HR.jpg)
Cool; you did well, Armap, once again earning my respect 8)
seeker
Thanks. :)
ARMAP your freaking amazing. ;) GOLD.
Seems Allan has hit the big time with his spot on the Sci-fi 'Aliens on the moon! He's come out of the shadows so to speak.
Yes I'm back :)
And now I have a challenge for all of you! It took me all of 15 minutes and 3 images to find the matching NASA photo to the claimed Chang'e 2 Extraterrestrial Base ......
I posted a little writeup about it on my [new] website along with a photo workup showing the features. Clicking on the photo will take you to a larger version.
Check it out and let me know what you think!
http://lunomaly.com/the-real-extraterrestrial-base-photographed-by-chinese-orbiter-chang-e-2/
Glad to see your here Allan! 8)
hi allan welcome back 8)
so tell us what you think as to which is fake and who is yanking our chain...
seeker
thats pretty cool allen.im not the moon specialist on pegasus but im sure some of these guys are.
Quote from: Allan Sturm on July 27, 2014, 03:08:35 AM
Check it out and let me know what you think!
I think the original is the original and the fake is the fake. :)
Just started watching a new documentary on Youtube and it features ULO's. You get some images throughout that are from it but they introduce the book at the 24 minute mark. I thought at first they had borrowed all the images they were using. At least there giving credit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g01XfIDT_bE
For some reason it wont let me embed it.
It also goes into detail about a lot of the newer images floating round atm.
*Edit* Whoah 2 seconds later I realise Allen himself is in the video. I should of watched it all first aha.
Take out the "s" after the "http:"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g01XfIDT_bE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g01XfIDT_bE
Quote from: zorgon on July 08, 2012, 04:03:45 AM
AS15-M-2502
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS15/M/2502.jpg) (http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS15/M/2502.jpg)
Credit NASA - Click for full size
What is that pole like thing?
It's the antennae.
Yes, it is an antenna on the spacecraft taking the down-looking photos. There are other photos that really highlight this "moon anomaly". We discussed it at length here - then I too finally saw what this really was. ;)
Ah. Thank you.
Awesome pics by the way, I think I can see quite a bit if stuff going on up there.