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The New Age and Mind Control

Recent manifestations of New Age Religion/Spirituality, that have captured the popular imagination, include teachings alleged to derive from "channelled" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Channelling) sources.  One of the most well known of these is, Ashtar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtar_%28extraterrestrial_being%29)/Ashtar Command (http://www.ashtarcommandcrew.net/).  Another well known source of these teachings derives from Barbera Marciniak who has written a number of channelled books including Bringers of the Dawn: Teachings from the Pleiadians. (http://www.amazon.com/Bringers-Dawn-Pleiadians-Barbara-Marciniak/dp/093968098X)


It was pointed out in a thread at ATS by TheGUT...

Quote...I think the "religious" message is consistent--at core--in both schools of "Contactees."

The trappings and back-story are different, but that new age message of "No Nukes, Save Our Planet, Some will vibrate to a higher dimension," aspect seem to transcend both philosophies.

SOURCE: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread718431/pg3#pid11684100


Below is a YouTube video as an example of the type of teachings derived from "channelled" ETs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7l0cJL7e4w


I was pondering the similarity in the teachings of these cults when I remembered reading about another similar cult.  In December, 1952 - only 5 months after Ashtar was first channelled - Andrija Puharich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrija_Puharich) brought into his laboratory an Indian mystic named Dr D G Vinod, who began to channel 'The Nine' or 'the Nine Principles.'


Researchers believe that some of the key figures involved with 'The Nine' have links with MK-ULTRA and the CIA.  In common with other channelling cults,  "its central focus is the belief that the gods of the ancient world were extraterrestrials who created and civilized the human race, that they're back - and that, communicating through special chosen ones, they are actively directing the way we think." (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/stargate/stargate07a.htm#Press%20Release)"

QuoteOne New Age channelling cult, above all the rest, has had a huge - very disturbing influence on hundreds of thousands of devotees worldwide. Known as 'The Nine', its disciples include cutting edge scientists, multi-millionaire industrialists and leading politicians. This exclusive extract based on The Startgate Conspiracy by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Stargate-Conspiracy-Lynn-Picknett/dp/0751529966) looks at the sinister origins of The Nine

"I am the beginning. I am the end. I am the emissary. But the original time I was on the Planet Earth was 34,000 of your years ago. I am the balance. And when I say "I" - I mean because I am an emissary for The Nine. It is not I , but it is the group...We are nine principles of the Universe, yet together we are one."

The declaration above is typical of the channelled pronouncements of the Council of Nine – or just 'The Nine'. They contain all the usual New Age ingredients of grandiose statements, shaky grammar and unprovable predictions. But unlike all the other channelling cults, that of The Nine has serious clout. Perhaps the reason for this is that they claim to be the Ennead, or the nine major gods of ancient Egypt (see panel). Or could there be another reason, one that owes more to The X-Files than the Pyramid Texts?

SOURCE: http://lightworkers.org/node/24021 or http://thenewagefiles.blogsome.com/2009/03/01/the-council-of-nine/ or http://www.world-enlightenment.com/The-Order-of-Things/CIA-Andrija-Puharich-Council-of-Nine.htm (A fully annotated version of this article appears in Fortean Times 126)


As well as Puharich, another key figure in the movement was James Hurtak - who has still relatively recently been involved in the politics at Giza.  The "cult" is influenced by Edgar Cayce and it appears that it could have had a profound influence on authors like Robert Temple (The Sirius Mystery (http://www.amazon.com/Sirius-Mystery-Scientific-Evidence-Contact/dp/089281750X)), Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval (The Message of the Sphinx (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Message-Sphinx-Hidden-Legacy-Mankind/dp/0517888521)).


Notables you will probably have heard of who have also been involved include Uri Gellar, Gene Rodenberry, Richard Hoagland and Lyall Watson.

QuotePerhaps the most disturbing aspect of the history of The Nine is its relationship to the career of Andrija Puharich. Recent research has revealed Puharich to have a distinctly sinister side. As an Army doctor in the 1950s, he was deeply involved with the CIA's notorious MKULTRA mind control project (see panel). He – together with the infamous Dr Sidney Gottlieb – experimented with a variety of techniques to change or induce actual thought processes... even to creating the impression of voices in the head. These techniques included the use of drugs, hypnosis and beaming radio signals directly into the subject's brain. And, significantly, he was engaged in this work at exactly the same time that The Nine made their first appearance at the Round Table Foundation. The Foundation itself is now known to have been largely funded by the Pentagon as a front for its medical and parapsychological research. Puharich was still working for the CIA in the early 1970s...

*snip* [EDITED BY PIMANDER]

The evidence we have gathered strongly suggests that Tom and his fellow gods originated, not in the stars, but behind closed doors as part of a CIA mind control experiment. And what happened to that experiment? Now with hundreds of thousands of devotees, some in very high places, can The Nine be deemed a success? Of course, that depends very much on what the CIA had in mind. With their subtle racist propaganda, perhaps the flaky New Age Nine should worry the hell out of us.

SOURCE: http://lightworkers.org/node/24021 or http://thenewagefiles.blogsome.com/2009/03/01/the-council-of-nine/ or http://www.world-enlightenment.com/The-Order-of-Things/CIA-Andrija-Puharich-Council-of-Nine.htm (A fully annotated version of this article appears in Fortean Times 126).


For more on this see the book, The Stargate Conspiracy by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince. (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Stargate-Conspiracy-Lynn-Picknett/dp/0751529966)  When it was published The Stargate Conspiracy triggered a massive censorship row. (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/stargate/stargate07a.htm#Press%20Release) AOL were accused of censoring criticism of the CIA and it's alleged mind control program.

QuoteJacques Vallèe , a noted UFOologist  for three decades, compares the ideology of the "Nine"  with the Nazis .  Contac­tee propaganda  undermines the image of human beings as masters of their own destiny, according to Vallèe.  It attempts to convince us that there are "higher races" implying that "lower races" should be eliminated.

Source:  Jacques Vallèe , Messengers of Deception, pg. 217, cited by Picknett and Prince


There is some more information on 'The Nine' and Puharich in this article by Brian Desborough. (http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/themagazine/vol9/articles/desb2.shtml)


Is it possible that the other New Age Religions/cults have been created by or heavily influenced by Mind control programs?  It does seem entirely possible...  By extension of course, forums like this one are targets.


The following video has some information relevant to this topic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfZcZV6wL3E


There is plenty more for the interested party.  However, I'm writing an OP not a book.  I would hope some of you members have more material that ties into this conspiracy.

Greetings esteemed Member Pimander:

Another long ball hit out of the park!

Perhaps an interesting sidebar to this might be this:

One of the many, many stacks of books in my office (note to self: need more shelves) is this one:


Handbook for the New Paradigm

Bringers of the Dawn

The Hollow Earth (still with the pink dust-jacket)

Circle of Life

and

The Third Millennium

- go figure.


We will eagerly follow your breadcrumb trail and report back.

Thanks for all the hard research to bring us to this point.

Peace Love Light
tfw

ThorFourWinds and Pimander.

You may have noticed that I have referred in the past to some papers that were left to me from my Dad. Originally I found this group of papers stored carefully in an old stationary box. When I first found this box I read through it.... the words were just too weird for me.... it was 1963.... and it read like some sort of science fiction....talking about an enormous ship that was referred to as the " Planetary Body". The writing didn't sound at all like Dad and there was just something about it that confused me and upset me.... I did see a note however that was dated 1944 and simply said.... Daughter.... these words are as true as the Rain on the Window above your head.  At the time I first read those words it was raining outside but I was in a fine Georgian home outside Philadelphia.... there were no " windows above my head" I just shrugged and put them away.

I pulled them out the day after Dads funeral. Desolated of course I sat at his desk. Looking around like a lost soul..... I loved my Daddy very much and suddenly he was gone even though I could still smell a whiff of the cologne that he used to use and his glasses were still on his desk in front of me.... as if he had just gotten so tired he couldn't go on , taken them off and simply laid them down.

His recorders were still humming but I knew I had to start turning them off. I couldn't bear the thought.... I looked at his clothes and thought... I really should start boxing them up and putting them away so that Mother doesn't have to deal with it. She had been a trooper as always.... full of grace and even humor she had made it through the funeral service and been her partner for fifty-seven years.....She was sleeping and I stood up and thought.... well, its up to me now.... and reached for something on the top closet shelf. It was that box of papers. I sat down again and began reading.... the words were strange but they almost sounded like instructions now..." You are an Island of the future in a sea of the past.... one chapter heading  said.... The verses were strange and still unsettling ... I reached that line again at the end.... " Daughter, These Words are as TRUE as the Rain on the Window above your head..... Shocked.... I looked up..... and raindrops were pelting the window right above my head... we lived in a Quonset Hut remember.... Dads desk was directly under a big window......

I put the papers away... years later I pulled them out and Andrew and I tried to make sense of them ... an impossible chore.... then..... when Morgan came back into my life he asked me to bring that box with me on a trip that was forming..... and he himself eventually but very quickly went through all of those papers .... leaving me just a handful while he took the rest with him.....

The balance of those writings I have given to Rose to look into while we were writing our book { The Good-Bye Man).... we mentioned The Rain on the Window Papers in the first few pages of that effort.....

But I have never explored them further.... because its just too confusing for me.... Rose checked them. She says that those pages are IDENTICAL to some early channeled messages.... but apparently my pages predate those channeling's. I have no explanation. In fact I have avoided even " going there" because the words are still very upsetting to me for some reason.

You wanted a response to that. There it is.... I don't know where to go from here....Linda

I have heard a great deal about this "new age" stuff, and every time I encounter a "channeling," I actually have a revusion in My spidy sense.  It's physical.  Sure it sounds all lovely 'n' stuff, but it has such...dirty "vibes."  Creeps Me out, it does.

I have a follower on Twitter who informed Me "They" would be here soon - I knew this follower had a connection to this stuff - and My reply was, "I await. Meanwhile, I'm going forth as if We have to pull Ourselves out of this mess."

And that is fully what I believe; it's not any savior that's going to come along and "make it all better." It is OUR responsibility to do something about the garbage We see.

Thanks for the post, Pim.  It merely confirms My feelings.  (Though, in fairness, I have read The Sirius Mystery, and found it scholarly, well researched, and not at all tending towards new age creppola.  I recommend it.)

Quote from: Amaterasu on July 02, 2012, 06:26:24 PM
I have heard a great deal about this "new age" stuff, and every time I encounter a "channeling," I actually have a revusion in My spidy sense.  It's physical.  Sure it sounds all lovely 'n' stuff, but it has such...dirty "vibes."  Creeps Me out, it does.

I am familiar with that feeling. When I first found that box of papers that I have called the " Rain on the Window Papers" I had that same feeling. STILL DO as a matter of fact. I found some of the remaining papers ( the balance of what Morgan did not take) and STILL I got that same " creeped out" feeling . I know EXACTLY what you are talking about.

Rose says that these papers are identical to Channelings from... perhaps the same sources that have been mentioned here. I just can not make myself go there. I do not know why.

I have a follower on Twitter who informed Me "They" would be here soon - I knew this follower had a connection to this stuff - and My reply was, "I await. Meanwhile, I'm going forth as if We have to pull Ourselves out of this mess." Precisely what my answer would have been.

And that is fully what I believe; it's not any savior that's going to come along and "make it all better." It is OUR responsibility to do something about the garbage We see.

Thanks for the post, Pim.  It merely confirms My feelings.  (Though, in fairness, I have read The Sirius Mystery, and found it scholarly, well researched, and not at all tending towards new age creppola.  I recommend it.)

So what parts of all of this are the words that are so true. Dad said " Daughter these words are as true as the rain on the window above your head!  I KNOW he is right. He proved that! But which words are TRUE and how do we find them. I can't even keep these pages in order and can barely make myself read them. They make me so uncomfortable... what is going on here????  Linda

Here's My guess...  I think Your dad had time travel experiences.  I think He saw things and made sure He gave You something to confirm that.  That explains the note from before You were born, and the fact that when You really looked, the rain was above Your head.

As for the "channeled" stuff...maybe its a red herring.  Maybe it's the note itself that was to clue You, added to the stuff THEY wanted You to see.  Though I don't know why JD had to take some of it away.

It is possible that because some may have access to the papers, traveling from the past to the future, and rearranging them.  Thus would explain why they don't stay in order.

Just a "gut feeling" on this....

I agree with you entirely Amy....add this question to " why did JD  ( Morgan for those who are reading Pauls book) have to take most of the papers away.... the question..... why did he leave that specific few...

Paul wanted to mention the Rain on the Windows Papers too in his book..... I think that Morgan told him not to..... that it" wasn't time."

And with all of those papers  spread out.... how did JD so quickly identify the ones that I was to get and the ones that he was to have? I have said before that it was almost as if he was " seeing them" differently... maybe using Deuem sight!!!! Perhaps the we emanating a different color?  So if thats a possibility.... then the ones that he left are perhaps more important than the ones that he took? The pages he left....am I supposed to study them? 

Oh thats just stinking great because I can't stand them!!!! Why do I have such an adverse reaction to this???

But maybe thats what I am meant to do... and maybe now is the time. I am posting this right now that this is NOT something I really want to do.... And I might not last long at this effort.... but I promise that I will do my best.

AMY..... that note was dated in 1944. the year before I was even concieved. So yes.... he was a little ahead of himself with that message!!  Linda

Pimander, I have been interested in this topic since encountering those few pages of Ken Carey's Starseed Transmissions among the leftovers  from the document known to Linda as "The Rain on the Window Papers."

Carey's slim volume  became a mega-best seller and a gateway book for "New Age Thinking". But Timothy Leary, the LSD guru received the first Starseed Transmissions 10 years prior, while in prison. Leary, himself, has been said to be either part of the CIA-Mind Control program, or a tool of it through his then-girlfriend's connections.

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Mind control researcher Walter Bowart interviewed Leary in the 1970s, and the acid guru had some interesting things to say about his association with the CIA. Asked, "Do you think CIA people were involved in your group in the sixties?" Leary responded, "Of course they were. I would say that eighty percent of my movements, eighty percent of the decisions I made were suggested to me by CIA people... I like the CIA! The game they're playing is better than the FBI. Better than the Saigon police. Better than Franco's police. Better than the Israeli police. They're a thousand times better than the KGB. So it comes down to: whom are you going to work for? The Yankees or the Dodgers?"

http://espionagecentral.50megs.com/whats_new_5.html

Coincidentally, both Starseed Transmissions began as "channeled messages" from some superior consciousness, presented as either future humans' or ETs. Apparently a lot of that was going around then.

QuoteMost recently, Dr. Jack Sarfatti, physicist, described his own extraterrestrial ESP flashes, in an article in the San Fran-cisco magazine City. Nobody paid any attention.

Any grocer or state policeman who has such an experience will immediately be reported in tabloids or even on TV, but nobody seems to want to hear this from trained scientific observers. Is it that we are afraid we cannot dismiss them as nuts so easily as we do the grocers and state troopers?

Suppose I were to tell you that over 100 scientists in the United States have by now had this experience? That figure was supplied by Saul Paul Sirag. Sirag says that so far most of these scientists are only willing to discuss the matter with trusted colleagues, but that more of them lately are consider-ing the possibility of coming out of the closet and talking about it in public.

Sirag adds that many of this group no longer believe the experience is literally extraterrestrial, although that is still one of the favorite models for describing it.

Robert Anton Wilson, Cosmic Trigger, p78.

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Ken Carey seemed to have disappeared off the map for a while, but I note that he now has a blog of sorts, and in his reflection on the positive world view of the StarSeed Transmissions, he now says:

QuoteWe obviously did not increase human love enough to love our way through the coming time of turbulence.  Only a few of the "optimal scenarios" described in the Starseed Trilogy came to pass.  But the world today is clearly not as bad as it might have been (and as the media would have us believe).  We humans still have enormous reservoirs of love, and when things get tough, we have a habit of banding together to help one another out. 

http://www.2011-2012kencareystarseed.com/about-ken-carey.html

I like to believe that.

rose

I keep having the feeling that the V2K tech (voice to skull) has something to do with these "channeled" experiences...

Gee.  Point at the vic, start talking any crap You want the vic to believe.

I wonder...

Maybe differences are being made Rose.

And I LOVE this as I am sure you knew I would!

"Of course they were. I would say that eighty percent of my movements, eighty percent of the decisions I made were suggested to me by CIA people... I like the CIA! The game they're playing is better than the FBI. Better than the Saigon police. Better than Franco's police. Better than the Israeli police. They're a thousand times better than the KGB. So it comes down to: whom are you going to work for? The Yankees or the Dodgers?"

Rolling on the floor here thank you so much for that. I can here JD saying to someone else...." Well....WHO are ya gonna work for today??????" The emphasis on the FOR WHOM!!!!!

There are others you can put on that list of course. Leary was limited I think with his options!!!!   

Yea for the home team.    Linda

Greetings:

And as we (think) we mumbled to Brother Timothy at Changes in Santa Monica on a New Year's Eve - all entities blazing on Mr Natural - "... will we really live past 30 to see the New Millennium's promises...?"

Yes, Dear Reader, growing up in Laurel Canyon was a trip in so many different ways.

If we recall correctly, we were joined by the redoubtable Tom Wright (later of ROCK Magazine fame), Nikky Pascal (Sorceror, etc.), Nick Edwards (Pyramid Planet), Patrick Flanigan (Pyramid Power), Strawberry Gatz (Hologram Queen), Lady Rain, Arnold Arias and what's-his-name, Jerry (White Light Holography) and a few hundred other revelers.


You will love this part, Linda...


How do we know?

We were there.

Photographic memory - at times when a 'trigger' opens a door - it is absolutely clear or not there... no 'grey' area at all - for certain experiences that 'pop up', depending on the external stimuli.


Check this out:

Ken also has since shared this:


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QuoteWithout warning the bulge lost roughly half of its mass as a huge tongue of solar fire licked hungrily toward the Earth's Southern Pole.  It was obviously a tongue of the purest Love, and I was reminded of two lovers reuniting and what their tongues would do when they met.  But they didn't quite meet. 

Like a whip being recalled at the last second, the flame receded back into its fiery home even as I saw the once white polar cap explode slightly outward in a great splash of mingled white and the most beautiful ocean blue. 

The Vision's beauty was, however, tempered by the knowledge that soon every coastline on the planet would be attacked by tsunamis propelled by waves of 200 or more feet.  My apprehension was soon proven accurate as the great islands and continents of the world, from Antarctica northward, were each outlined by a slowly thickening brown line as the enormous waves swept debris inland.

There is great difficulty in explaining how I perceived all this from my vantage point so far away in space, for it was not through the five senses alone.  I felt as if the entirety of my being were immersed in an ocean of knowledge whose pressure was so great it saturated me through every pore.

This from our AlphaTangoSpookz thread over a year ago:

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"OOPS...we have a problem, Houston."

Without warning, the relatively calm solar atmosphere of our seemingly benevolent Sun can be torn asunder by sudden outbursts of a scale unknown on Earth. Catastrophic events of incredible energy...stretching up to halfway across the visible solar surface, suddenly and unpredictably open up and expel their contents, defying the Sun's enormous gravity.

This is a coronal mass ejection (CME), a massive burst of solar wind, other light isotope plasma, and magnetic fields rising above the solar corona or being released into space.

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QuoteWatching it still unfold, I remember wondering why the event I was witnessing did not cause a geographic pole reversal, instantaneously burning off surface humans, and much else, but maybe leaving something, a seed perhaps, a starseed maybe. 

Why this geographic reversal had not occurred I did not know, but the outlines of the continents assurred me it had not.  I do know the earth felt immensely satisfied because her Antarctic Ice Cap had protected her most precious valuables. 

Even as she began to sink into that deep satisfaction that follows the most exalted of sexual climaxes... the skyscape abruptly switched.  As if a scene had been rewound, the three of us were again back at the beginning:  my observation post, the Earth, and the Sun.  All as we were before.

QuoteAs I watched the peaceful scene before me I knew that what I had just seen was a worst-case scenario.  If the human experiment were to fail (and apparently the issue has not yet been settled) then, all must be scrubbed, washed and rinsed thoroughly before another attempt could be initiated on a clean and pristine planet—Where I'm putting in for a tour of duty as a duck, I thought, forget these human things. 

The fact that such a characteristically personal thought could intrude at a time like this signaled that my body needed some attention.  Sure enough, as I came back into awareness of my biological housing, the very existence of which I had forgotten, I noticed I was squirming around on my chair. 

Right, I thought, nature calls.  Yet even as urgently as I needed to heed that call, I paused long enough to type:

          "The vision I just saw would be, from the Creator's view, one of the easier ways to start anew, but would it necessarily be the only way?"

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QuoteFeeling as if I had just been born anew, my mind empty of everything, my attention fully in the present,  I watched wordlessly as my guiding Spirit went on to show me several other scenarios of solar flares flickering toward the earth.  I could tell that the Solar Spirit—for I had now recognized it as such—was also learning. So this show was not merely for my benefit. 

This time I actually heard my guide in silent, telepathic words, "That last one was far to close," it said, "we want a flare just strong enough to trigger the planet's dormant cleansing mechanisms thereby enabling me to leap over to my new temporal home." 

It was also explained to me then that what I was seeing was the full electromagnetic spectrum of each flare, whereas my typical human eyesight would have seen only a much smaller portion of it. 

"Oh," I replied, cringing at my understatement even as the inadequate word dropped with the thud of a bad joke. 

There was no response, but again I had the strong feeling of being observed, as if I were part of an experiment in a lab half the size of a solar system.  At times my reactions were the reactions of the earth's human population, and at other times, the reactions of a human individual.  The Sun could usually comprehend the Earth's meanings when she communicated, but I had to occasionally explain the reasoning behind some of her requests.

(...)

An effortless stream of consciousness flowed into my keyboard for a few minutes.  Then suddenly my computer's wireless connection shut off.

(...)

Until then I had not realized the shielding my computer had provided merely by diverting a portion of my mind to something besides the Solar Spirit's presence.

Now, with no intermediary, the  Solar Spirit apparently decided to just bring it all in.

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We think the gallery liked it:


Eurisko2012 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/mem/Eurisko2012)

I think that is the longest thread i have ever read here at ATS.
A+ for content.
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I heard that a lot of the blackouts in Brazil were caused by hackers shutting down the power grids.

Maybe they learned to switch to "manual control" for a while.

This internet technology is really cool BUT if you want a truly reliable power grid just
disable remote control and switch to manual.

You want another generator started and put online? Make a phone call to the local technician/
electrician at the power plant.

Better yet allow internet monitoring only. -- No control --
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It looks like this CME show is over.
It glanced off our northern pole.
-- Glanced off Nothern Pole --


franspeakfree (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/mem/franspeakfree)
Your post made me log in so I could congratulate you on such a fantastic post, I mean its better than most threads.

Outstanding content. I am looking forward to reading more from you my friend.

I only wish I could give you 100 stars.


See the full thread here: Dodged a Solar Bullet (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread664407/pg3#pid10604753)


Peace Love Light
tfw

Quote from: Amaterasu on July 02, 2012, 07:26:19 PM
I keep having the feeling that the V2K tech (voice to skull) has something to do with these "channeled" experiences...

Gee.  Point at the vic, start talking any crap You want the vic to believe.

I wonder...

QuoteThe bag aside, Girard appears intelligent and coherent. At a table in front of Dunkin' Donuts inside the train station, Girard opens the bag and pulls out a thick stack of documents, carefully labeled and sorted with yellow sticky notes bearing neat block print. The documents are an authentic-looking mix of news stories, articles culled from military journals and even some declassified national security documents that do seem to show that the U.S. government has attempted to develop weapons that send voices into people's heads.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/10/AR2007011001399.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/10/AR2007011001399.html)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eqC8BnIeM0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqnrihUO2L8

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QuoteThe Army's very strange webpage on "Voice-to-Skull" weapons has been removed. It was strange it was there, and it's even stranger it's gone. If you Google it, you'll see the entry for "Voice-to-Skull device," but, if you click on the website, the link is dead.

The entry, still available on the Federation of American Scientists' website reads:

read more: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2008/05/army-removes-pa/

J

lots of good info here  thanks
and i hope i'm not going off on a tangent with my remarks

i've personally experienced stuff some of which i could explain and some i still can't
and
i have also personally studied with several teachers with mixed groups and found it
a very interesting study on who and why certain of folk are influenced
and how some are not

it makes me wonder if somehow the ones who aren't easily manuvered or those who flee
quickly out of range have some sort of awareness and /or immunity to such influence
much like those who have a gene pool from the black plague are somehow immune to the
HIV virus

gods -religion-cults have all been mechcanisms of control so why not toss in the rest

Hello!
I was wondering if anyone has seen this,it's about portals and when the suns magnetic fields combine with the earths.

A favorite theme of science fiction is "the portal" -- an extraordinary opening in space or time that connects travelers to distant realms.  A good portal is a shortcut, a guide, a door into the unknown. If only they actually existed...
It turns out that they do, sort of, and a NASA-funded researcher at the University of Iowa has figured out how to find them.
"We call them X-points or electron diffusion regions," explains plasma physicist Jack Scudder of the University of Iowa.  "They're places where the magnetic field of Earth connects to the magnetic field of the Sun, creating an uninterrupted path leading from our own planet to the sun's atmosphere 93 million miles away."

http://phys.org/news/2012-07-hidden-portals-earth-magnetic-field.html

uh.... an uninterupted path to the sun? I am assuming thats a one way ticket! ?

Thanks for that... great  information and .... great stuff to follow up on. Thanks very much!  Linda

Quote from: Linda Brown on July 03, 2012, 12:31:20 AM
uh.... an uninterupted path to the sun? I am assuming thats a one way ticket! ?

Thanks for that... great  information and .... great stuff to follow up on. Thanks very much!  Linda

That was my thoughts exactly!
Straight shot to the sun.

But not really,to tell you the truth I'm not sure what it means and by they're terminology of "portals".

Pimander
if this is going in the wrong direction for this thread..please remove it

it all comes under the believe it or don't

small tidbits..go to the links for the whole thing

Tools for Psychic Self Defense
Duncan and Miranda join Truth Connections to discuss a number of issues that humanity faces today on many levels. As experiencers of mind control and psychic warfare, they will be discussing the methods used in such attacks, and the ways in which we can strengthen and protect ourselves psychically from mind control occurring in different ways.

This includes control over our bodies, and control that we may not be aware of coming from various entities — both on and off world; extra-terrestrial and interdimensional.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vahGV98-xpE
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http://taobootes.wordpress.com/2012/06/23/interrogation/

Let me make it plain, I had a renewed and updated passport, ESTA and there was nothing to really prevent me from entering the US.

I also started menstruating at about this time, and on my way back to England, was further detained at Frankfurt Airport in Germany, and again, threatened and warned about speaking out about anything that has ever happened to me. there were satanic and NSA and MI5/MI6 agents wherever I went and a heavy police presence. This was on the day of the Solstice, and there is missing time at Frankfurt also, and I believe that my feminine condition has been potentially used in that regard for ritual. I have also been told never to return to Germany either.

I have been threatened with my life, had satanic attacks all the way through my journey, and also remote viewers, there were agents even on the planes I flew on. There was also grey alien visitations on the plane on the way to the US and I saw people sleeping who were astrally abducted.

I am exhausted and the threats continue and they are serious. The threats relate to any information I could give on my memories and experiences. The threats are to take my life should I speak out any more.

So, to those of you who still think this is a game, or that this is glamorous or funny, think again. I have had many attempts made on my life over the years, before I even came forward with my life story, so I really never had anything to loose and knew the risks I was taking.  They are angry at me coming forward and this is their revenge.

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http://zen-haven.dk/tila-tequila-exposes-illuminate/

Hmmm... How can I put this. Well, all of Lady Gaga's Video, even Beyonce's new video, and XTINA, Miley Cyrus. They all are all of a sudden very DARK & SATANIC! There are TONS of hidden messages in the video and symbols that prove that they worship satan. Please don't take this as a joke. It is not and it is serious. The Government even now has a way to send out frequencies on your TV that you cannot hear, yet it highly affects your brain and mixed in with all the visuals from the music video's, you become hypnotized without you even realizing this. That sounds crazy right? Well it is true. I have been studying about this for the past 7 years now and kept quiet about it for a long time, except when I chat with other groups of people I know that also know about "THE OTHERS" if I told you the ENTIRE THING, it will really blow your mind away, but I feel it is SO IMPORTANT for people to know what is happening to them.


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http://current.com/community/92732741_327-cia-mind-control-victims-win-cash-claims.htm


HUNDREDS of mentally ill patients who were subjected to barbaric CIA-funded brainwashing experiments by a Scottish doctor could be entitled to compensation following a landmark court ruling.
Doctor Ewan Cameron, who became one of the world's leading psychiatrists, developed techniques used by Nazi scientists to wipe out the existing personalities of people in his care.

He carried out mind-control experiments using drugs such as LSD on hundreds of patients, but only 77 of them were awarded compensation.

Now a landmark ruling by a Federal Court judge in Montreal will allow more than 250 former patients, whose claims were rejected, to seek compensation.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGQQ4Rkbyfk


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http://mindcontrolgrid.com/community.htm

Here you can read about what some individuals and groups are doing to address various aspects of organized mind control. Apart from distancing yourself from the mass media, including "educational" institutions, and adopting a lifestyle relatively unaffected by communcation technologies, there are the options of shielding materials (expensive), or electronic countermeasures that over-ride negative influences with known positive ones.

Being affected may involve irrational shifts in attitude or behavior, or visual and auditory hallucinations, as well as a wide range of physical and psychological abnormalities. Additionally, microwaves on their own, even at "safe" levels, are documented to cause sleeplessness, headaches, irritability, depression, anxiety, disorientation, dizziness, nausea, fatigue, and memory loss.

The key to any mitigation strategy is to be informed of the imminent dangers, and know yourself well enough to ascertain if suspected symptoms have arisen through covert interferrence or simply personal circumstances. In this regard, it helps to cultivate a no-frills relaxed lifestyle. If you don't need it - don't buy it. If you don't buy compulsively - your already one foot off the treadmill.

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http://myweb.cableone.net/mtilton/sites1.html

A list of victim websites exploring the subject of electronically-induced behavior modification, in no particular order.

there's a lot out there..makes my life seem very nice and calm



http://artemesiaspeaks.wordpress.com/about/

I am a human being who has lived an extraordinary life in strange times on Earth.  Growing up as the daughter of a prominent Genetics/Eugenics doctor and researcher, I have traveled to many world sites in North America, Europe, Africa and Asia, mingling on the fringes and beyond of the scientific community, political figures, entertainers and government laboratories.  I grew up to have a wide variety of careers as a wilderness guide and outdoor educator, a Federal Law Enforcement officer for the National Park Service, an urban and wilderness paramedic, wildland firefighter, waitress, among others.  Through my experiences, I have come to know myself and understand that the reality of the world we live in is not in alignment with the social consciousness perception we have been taught, told, and violently repressed into upholding as beleif.  This blog is about sharing my stories, my thoughts, and exposing the truths of the world as it is, integrating the dissonance into comprehension, and overcoming the limitations of perception and dogma into a workable world view to navigate the challenges to be faced.  Welcome to the world where Artemesia speaks. <artemesiaspeaks.wordpress.com>


http://artemesiaspeaks.wordpress.com/2012/02/17/the-arrival-of-an-anomaly/

After reading your link, all I can say is, "that poor tormented woman...."


There IS a lot out there, fortunately, I have not been blessed with the gift of seeing any of it!

rose

WHY CHANNELLERS ARE SO VULNERABLE TO MIND CONTROL


Channelling is effectively mediumship dressed in new clothes for the "New Age"


ADEPTSHIP AND MEDIUMSHIP

Quote6th. Mediumship is the opposite of adeptship; the medium {or channeller} is the passive instrument of foreign influences; the adept actively controls himself and all inferior potencies.

SOURCE: THEOSOPHY, Vol. 6, No. 5, March, 1918 (Pages 193-1990, Part 7 of a 10 part series) (http://www.wisdomworld.org/additional/StudiesInIsisUnveiled-Series/AdeptshipAndMediumship.html)


Even from this one quote, the risks must be obvious.  The article goes on to explain that, "the less {the medium/channeller} exercises his will, the better the phenomena: the more he feels anxious, the less he is likely to get anything; to mesmerize requires a positive nature, to be a medium a perfectly passive one. This is the Alphabet of Spiritualism, and no medium is ignorant of it."


So, not only is the channeller or medium passive, but the less they exercise their will, the better they are at channelling.  Furthermore, because of the fact that in order to be an effective channel one must relinquish all control of the phenomenon, then any force can communicate through the channel and subtly or overtly change the essence of the channelled massage.  That was part of the essential warning in my article MK-ULTRA & COINTELPRO - Sinister Mind Control and New Age. (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1733.msg23238#msg23238)

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SOME ESOTERIC LORE ABOUT MEDIUMSHIP

QuoteMediumship and Channeling

The subtle bodies of a [trance] medium {or trance channeller} are more loosely connected together than they are in a regular person. This allows the subtle bodies to be easily disconnected and enables a non-physical entity to take temporary control of the medium's entire physical-etheric body or a large portion of their etheric body:

{SNIP}

[Trance] mediumship {edit: or trance channelling} should not be considered a psychic power because it actually involves relinquishing one's power. A loosely connected subtle body is not a gift or a blessing; like clairvoyance it is a disability (but even more so) {see below}. [Trance] mediumship {edit: or trance channelling} is extremely detrimental to one's long-term physical, emotional and mental health, so the practice is not recommended.

SOURCE: Clairvoyance, Mediumship and Channeling Explained by Lee Bladon (http://www.kajama.com/index.php?file=articledetail&id=730A10F6-FA57-4F88-BFDB-12B246204AD6&PageNum=2)

QuoteAny emotional-world entity that claims to be an ascended master, oversoul or archangel and offers "esoteric" knowledge is a fraud that cannot be trusted. True ascended masters do NOT communicate through mediums. The lowest world they operate in is the mental world, and they communicate by direct thought transfer into the minds of their advanced students (who remain fully present and fully lucid during the communication).

Channeling differs from mediumship {only} in that the emotional-world entity does not take possession of the person's entire body; they just take control of the voice-box or the arm (in the case of automatic writing). True ascended masters do NOT communicate in this way – they do not take control of anyone's body or any part of their body.

SOURCE: Clairvoyance, Mediumship and Channeling Explained by Lee Bladon
(http://www.kajama.com/index.php?file=articledetail&id=730A10F6-FA57-4F88-BFDB-12B246204AD6&PageNum=2)


So, channelling is simply a form of mediumship which potentially may allow any unscrupulous "entity" to send us messages.   ???


Continued below....

REMOTE INFLUENCING


I am sure that most of the people reading this are well aware of remote viewing.  If not, there is plenty on this site and others to keep you occupied.  Remote Influencing (RI) is a spin off from remote viewing basically.


As I understand it (and have personally witnessed something that looked like this in operation) it is possible to use trained persons to remotely influence the mind of another person.  It is most effective on precisely the type of people described above (i.e. mediums and channellers). In fact, as I understand it, RI is most effective on someone who is acting as a channeller.


Need I say more?   :o

 ;D

pimander

it works both ways...the viewer can also be influeced by others as to what the viewer sees
we really do live in a world of illussion

::)

I have to wonder whether there is a way to remote influence Individuals in the past...  Maybe write a bible or other piece.

Think of it.  A particularly "talented" medium is influenced to write something that turns out to define life for many...  And all because someOne in the future influenced Them to write it.

Quote from: Amaterasu on July 02, 2012, 06:53:38 PM
As for the "channeled" stuff...maybe its a red herring.  Maybe it's the note itself that was to clue You, added to the stuff THEY wanted You to see.  Though I don't know why JD had to take some of it away.

JD?

While I don't think that all channelling is negative or necessarily compromised, I do think that Pimander is right in one respect.

Although it is true that I am only a novice, I have read enough theory to know that we have a very specialised framework for getting in touch with spirits, whether those of the dead, or from other planets like the channellers claim to.  It's called Evocation, and as part of cutting my teeth as a magician, I have already learned the hard way that it is a method which needs to be followed.

We are supposed to use a circle, ideally around nine feet in diameter, to stand in; which serves as the equivalent of the shark cages that divers use, to protect them when they are swimming with sharks.  The spirit itself also has to be constrained in a triangle with each of the three syllables of the name of the archangel Michael on each side.  This gives us two layers of protection, which is important, as not all of the spirits which some magicians summon are safe, although I would not try to summon dangerous ones, personally.

The Greater Key of Solomon also contains seals from Jewish magick which we can draw and have hanging in the room during the evocation as well, which compel the spirits' submission and obedience.

Once we have all of this set up, we are then supposed to banish to initially clear the area, and then invoke whichever form of God we usually believe in, (although some magicians are atheists) to help us through the experience as well, before summoning the spirit in question.

Mediumship or channelling are methods of summoning spirits which are normally used by people who have innate, potential ability, but who normally do not know anything about magick.  The method is potentially a lot more dangerous, because the medium is completely exposed to whatever the spirit might want to do to them.  In other words, they can potentially become possessed, and some spirits can cause disease or various other things as well.

I am not suggesting channelling isn't possible.  I am saying that the roots of the New Age movement is heavily influenced buy some shadowy people deeply involved with mind control, remote influencing, remote viewing and more.

If you look back to the origins of all this you will be shocked I suspect.  DO NOT assume that something channelled comes from a higher being with access to special knowledge.  I could probably be a powerful remote influencer if I tried.

Also DO NOT assume that because someone says information is channelled that it really is.

Quote from: Pimander on November 18, 2012, 06:32:16 PM
I am not suggesting channelling isn't possible.  I am saying that the roots of the New Age movement is heavily influenced buy some shadowy people deeply involved with mind control, remote influencing, remote viewing and more.

This does make sense.

Quote from: Amaterasu on July 02, 2012, 06:26:24 PM
I have heard a great deal about this "new age" stuff, and every time I encounter a "channeling," I actually have a revusion in My spidy sense.  It's physical.  Sure it sounds all lovely 'n' stuff, but it has such...dirty "vibes."  Creeps Me out, it does.

Some of it is bad, Amy.  I don't listen to anything which mentions Ashtar as one example.  I also think that Mike Quinsey and JZ Knight in particular are fakes.

QuoteI have a follower on Twitter who informed Me "They" would be here soon - I knew this follower had a connection to this stuff - and My reply was, "I await. Meanwhile, I'm going forth as if We have to pull Ourselves out of this mess."

The only source who talks regularly about actually coming here is Ashtar, and given that none of his claimed arrival dates ever see anything happen, that is a big part of the reason why I don't listen to anything he says.

The one thing which all the sources that I consider trustworthy in ET terms, (Bashar/Darryl Anka, Lyssa Royal, and Carla Reuckert/Ra) have in common, is that they say that the specific reason why they are delivering information in the form that they do, is precisely because they know that to come down here physically would be a gross violation of our free will.  That is something which doesn't seem to concern Ashtar at all; he has never mentioned it AFAIK.

Said IMHO reputable sources have a few other things in common:-

a}  They repeatedly state that they are offering advice, and their own perspective, and that it is entirely up to us whether we accept it or not.

b}  They describe what works for them on their planet, but they do not try and state that that is the way that we must go at all.

c}  Their message is empowering.  It does not cause or promote fear, and in many cases they repeatedly encourage their listeners to cultivate their own sovereignty and self-worth in general terms.

d}  Everything they say is testable.  Bashar talks a lot about a person creating their own reality, but he never says anything which I can't go outside and test myself, in order to verify whether it is true or not.  That is another one of the main reasons why I consider these sources credible.  The Ra material has admittedly become a foundational element of my own ethical model; but in seven years, I've never had it fail yet.

http://www.kryon.com/k_25.html -- If you scroll to the bottom of this page, Kryon (another channelled source who was extremely helpful for me in 2005-2007, primarily) has a series of Guidelines for Discernment.  These were things which I was already looking for in channelled material before I'd read that list anywayz, but it is good to have them clearly articulated.

QuoteAnd that is fully what I believe; it's not any savior that's going to come along and "make it all better." It is OUR responsibility to do something about the garbage We see.

This is something which Bashar has spoken about.  He (and Sasha, Lyssa Royal's Pleiadian source) have basically said that their intent is to offer advice, from the perspective of beings who, to a certain extent at least, have already been through what we're currently going through; but that they are not going to do it for us.

Quote from: Pimander on November 18, 2012, 06:09:00 PM
JD?

"JD" was the name Linda gave to Her lover who was in the intelligence field.

There is one problem with channellers... there is no way to verify WHO you are channeling  It could be LOKI playing tricks :D

Quote from: Amaterasu on November 18, 2012, 07:32:57 PM
"JD" was the name Linda gave to Her lover who was in the intelligence field.

It was? Where did you get that from?

Quote from: Amaterasu on November 18, 2012, 07:32:57 PM
"JD" was the name Linda gave to Her lover who was in the intelligence field.

Yes, I had to look at Loftons book again to check. Linda trying to keep things simple as usual.  LOL

High School Lover = Morgan = JD = not a real name = ::)

Morgan = Captain Morgan's = Rum
JD = Jack Daniel's = Bourbon

Quote from: zorgon on November 18, 2012, 09:17:00 PM
It was? Where did you get that from?

Her book.

So, the human mind emit's (and receives) Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta and Gama waves... It seems like we're all broadcasters and receivers. How would one then block others psychic abilities or wave lengths?

I once had "waves" broadcast at high intensity directly at me. I grabbed a small sattelite dish I had sitting nearby and placed it inbetween me and the "broadcast". It did reflect the broadcast, however the broadcast was of a mechanical nature.

So my question would then be what are the characteristics of broadcast wave lengths from the human mind? Can they be blocked using a specific material and or shape?

There have been times in my life where I've had perfect silence in my mind and I really enjoyed it. There have been other times where it seems as though my mind was grand central station.

The aluminum hat joke comes to mind... ( Though unfortunately it doesn't work lol )

I would assume there are certain mental tricks to shut down any connection between two points, however I am more curious to know what physical materials or shapes would do so.

I'd love to create a room completely protected from any frequency or broadcast. Just to walk in and then out of that room to feel the difference would be interesting.  :)

The development of some type of headgear that has the ability to both block and amplify natural signals would really change the cell phone industry (and human kind).

Like a faraday cage with a recliner and some plants...:D

And may I say personally from me..its great to see you back Capt Dave!

(if thats your real name!) LOL!

Cheers!

Le

Quote from: Littleenki on November 27, 2012, 05:33:57 PM
Like a faraday cage with a recliner and some plants...:D

And may I say personally from me..its great to see you back Capt Dave!

(if thats your real name!) LOL!

Cheers!

Le

Thank You! I really did miss this place and all the Amazing people. Ordinarily I wouldn't want to be part of any place that would have me as a member, but PRC is far too interesting to stay away. ( Now I know how a moth feels when it see's the light.  ;D  )

I'm wondering if some type of Honey Comb design made up of miniature parabolic dishes would work?

Quote from: Captain Dave on November 27, 2012, 05:19:01 PM
So, the human mind emit's (and receives) Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta and Gama waves... It seems like we're all broadcasters and receivers. How would one then block others psychic abilities or wave lengths?

Welcome back mate and thanks for posting on one of my favourite topics.

ELF waves are significant in one regard here.  I'll leave that for now but they are not easy to block.

I look at it this way.  Although alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta and Theta are what we detect in the brain of subjects whose consciousness is in various altered states, it may be that the transmission is different frequencies and the brain or "subtle body" actually transduces the signal.

Have you seen the recent experiments by the guy who did the God Helmet.  In some he put two subjects both in the same field EM with interesting results...  I'll go find the info if anyone is interested.....

I love this stuff... It baffles me that anyone might find this stuff uninteresting.

Quote from: Captain Dave on November 27, 2012, 05:58:37 PM
I'm wondering if some type of Honey Comb design made up of miniature parabolic dishes would work?

This depends on the materials that the dishes were made of and the frequency of the transmission would be.

Also, are all mind transmissions made via EM?  It could even be via another route, such as the "A-fields" postulated by Ervin Laszlo (basically Akashic field) which operate outside of normal space time.  This would explain why RV can be done at massive distances and potentially into the past.  Resonance in the A field would also explain why it is more likely that you can influence a subject you have a bond with or have hypnotised but I digress......  :o

Quote from: Pimander on November 27, 2012, 05:59:14 PM
Welcome back mate and thanks for posting on one of my favourite topics.

ELF waves are significant in one regard here.  I'll leave that for now but they are not easy to block.

I look at it this way.  Although alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta and Theta are what we detect in the brain of subjects whose consciousness is in various altered states, it may be that the transmission is different frequencies and the brain or "subtle body" actually transduces the signal.

Have you seen the recent experiments by the guy who did the God Helmet.  In some he put two subjects both in the same field EM with interesting results...  I'll go find the info if anyone is interested.....

I love this stuff... It baffles me that anyone might find this stuff uninteresting.

Thanks!

I was thinking along similar lines - in that the body and mind are both sending/ receiving. It also seems that there are far more "frequencies" involved (some possibly unidentified - at least to the general public).

The mind seems to emit quite a few frequencies while the body can emit something quite different. There seem to be many different forms of energy transference, each being a different "language" of sorts.

yeah verry inttttereesting

posing a question here that i have thought of for a long time ( and come to my own conclusion)

if we are bombared with all this input..some intentional and directed...some just there

do you think or believe or know if  there is a way we can

recogninze and stop them with our own "power / mind / consciousness"..?

just kinda curious




i'm not talking of devices or other constructs that need to be built

Quote from: Pimander on November 27, 2012, 06:08:12 PM
This depends on the materials that the dishes were made of and the frequency of the transmission would be.

Also, are all mind transmissions made via EM?  It could even be via another route, such as the "A-fields" postulated by Ervin Laszlo (basically Akashic field) which operate outside of normal space time.  This would explain why RV can be done at massive distances and potentially into the past.  Resonance in the A field would also explain why it is more likely that you can influence a subject you have a bond with or have hypnotised but I digress......  :o

Omg Yes! There are so MANY "dimensions" to all of this. Past, Present, Future, Distance, Visualization, Amplification, both Silent and Audible. I  think there are commonalities though which can lead ultimately to a way in which to eliminate or better control the signals. I believe also that geometric shape, thickness and material play a large role. Computer control would add so many other refined functions.

Oh to have a lab and all the toys...

Quote from: sky otter on November 27, 2012, 06:12:13 PM
yeah verry inttttereesting

posing a question here that i have thought of for a long time ( and come to my own conclusion)

if we are bombared with all this input..some intentional and directed...some just there

do you think or believe or know if  there is a way we can

recogninze and stop them with our own "power / mind / consciousness"..?

just kinda curious




i'm not talking of devices or other constructs that need to be built

There is almost never only one answer to any question or problem. I would speculate that there are millions of ways to skin a cat (though some would be better than others) :D.

A well trained mind can draw a perfect circle on paper, while the use of a compass makes it easier for the untrained mind. I suppose there is value in both.

What mental triggers could be used to shut down a link? I suppose the amount of belief in those triggers would also be a factor?

I have felt my mind in a relaxed state where it seems more susceptible to attack or influence. I have also felt my mind flex to a point where it seems quite amplified. Focus or Distraction seems to make quite a difference.

One thing I have found interesting is that I can always tell the difference between my own thoughts and those of others, no matter what form.

Observe the human body and mind as antennas. Always receiving, and of course through our heart centered Em field, always transmitting.

As for ELF well, we all know who creates the most ELF besides our own bodies..HAARP.

So, as this HAARP and its underlings, the mind controlling government programs operate, we receive and suffer.

Instead of finding a way to block all frequencies, which could be catastrophic to the total mind/body experience, shall we look for a way to block just the ELF?

What do you think Pimander about that?

Im not a big wiki fan but lets start here.... and define our enemy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremely_low_frequency

BTW..foil hats dont work unless they are grounded and isolated from the person's body electrically. 8)

Le

Quote from: Captain Dave on November 27, 2012, 06:23:28 PM
Oh to have a lab and all the toys...

I am working on this part....

I may have to relocate to the USA ultimately unless my tiny business interest in the UK is a big success.  Where I am I have access to cellular and molecular technologies but not even neurology apparatus like EEG!  It is pissing me right off and holding me back, as you can imagine.

I think where you touch on shape/form you are onto something very important.

In terms of psychic self defence, don't ignore the esoteric lore on the topic, Sky.  there is modern science but it can also learn from the adepts from the past IMO.

Quote from: Littleenki on November 27, 2012, 06:43:10 PM
BTW..foil hats dont work unless they are grounded and isolated from the person's body electrically. 8)

They don't work at all with most frequencies and can also act as an antenna.

If you want to experience as close to total shielding then deep underground is a start.  However, it is disorientating to be cut off from the rhythms.  If I go into the metro or mines in Derbyshire, England I hardly know where I am when I come out.  My sense of direction completely goes for a start.

Precisely Pimander,,foil hats are a waste of time....

Through some reading on ELF, it seems the main concern aside from HAARP and other conspiracy based sources is the transmission lines found in every single town and city throughout the world.

It is said that the 60HZ fields created by these lines has a harmonic within the same wavelength of human mind frequencies.

Therefore it would stand to reason that those living beneath and around multiple or numerous high tension lines transmitting 50 or 60 hz frequencies would be the most at risk.

Ive known for a while that the product known as Orgonite is said to decrease these ELF frequencies and other anolmalous ELF source to a minimum. and even if made and placed properly to remove them altogether aside from the naturally occuring ELF from the Earth.

Also, ELF is aside to be a source of carcinogenous reaction by human tissue, especially the brain tissue and is pointed to as a cause for childhood and adult leukemias.

So, who crares if HAARP controls the weather or not..many will just get cancer and die anyways if it continues to be used.

As far as conspiracies go, this one could be quite a doozie and worthy of some further study.

No matter what we want to believe, ultimately the ONLY One in Control is LIFE.

If you were in Control, the Story of yourself and the Earth would NOT be as it is.

Neither would you die, or be at the mercy of others.

Unless you desire to Die, become ill, or pretend to be controlled by others, which includes alien entities.   :D

There are reasons to why you experience this Program (World) in the way you do, and it is beyond most peoples Understanding.

What the world is about does NOT involve anything of those things of human understanding or belief !

The human species is generally "Paranoid" and far tooooooo "Superstitious".

Quite understandable...

Common sense tells us... The full understanding of a "Book", can only be known when one has read the entire contents of the "Book" !

The "Book" I refer to is your individual lifetime experience, regarding the human species and the Earth.

Until the Whole "Book" has been experienced, what we want to believe about anything at all, is incomplete, and misunderstood.

We all find this out at the appropriate time.. When the entire Contents of the Book has been read.  :D

What we expect to happen won't happen, and what we don't expect to happen, shall happen.

At present people can only perceive or dream about, what all is really about through the human condition.    :D

Quote from: Amaterasu on August 14, 2012, 08:27:56 PM
I have to wonder whether there is a way to remote influence Individuals in the past...  Maybe write a bible or other piece.

Think of it.  A particularly "talented" medium is influenced to write something that turns out to define life for many...  And all because someOne in the future influenced Them to write it.

I wonder how many times the past or future has been influenced by an individual or groups psychic message. With so much mind pollution, it's a wonder why things aren't more of a mess. What we have now seems to me more like organized chaos.

:o Potential offenders:
Religions, Illuminatti, Masons, Skull and Bones, NWO, Governmental systems, Unknown Individuals & groups, Immortal Ancients, God's, Angels & Demons, Aliens... Etc Etc Etc

In terms of psychic self defence, don't ignore the esoteric lore on the topic, Sky.  there is modern science but it can also learn from the adepts from the past IMO.

i was heading in this direction ..and it's really more than lore if you see what works and what is just a wishfull tale


With so much mind pollution, it's a wonder why things aren't more of a mess. What we have now seems to me more like organized chaos.

have you ever thought that this build-up of vibrations was for a reason?
perhaps to strengthen your natural defenses.. or changed them
that may not have been the original thought behind it/them
but as stuff is thrown at you  - you adjust - you build a muscle

my point being to adjust in a conscious manner so that you use the vibration
uses which could take on many many forms ..ones that would be beneficial to you


certain rocks and certain formations of rock and plants
can cancel some of it but certain postioning of certain rocks and plants
can rearrange these vibrations in ways that make them beneficial
or just have them go around their area

with a little study of  the lore and a hubby with a backhoe  things
such as trees and very large rocks can be arranged to suit the exporitor
and some truly amazing results are possible with a bit of trail and error
in exact positioning   ;D..plus massive note taking..sigh

and the only real vocalization about it is what a landscaping crazy person lives over there
hahahahahahahah

and P..check out the pgh research areas for a move..you may be verrry surprized with what some of them are doing in oakland..well that's if it's on line
8)

oh yeah personal protection can also be easily achieved with a bit of silver and certain rocks
which i am sure Z could clue you in on

So when certain groups or individuals were scared to have their picture taken, they may indeed have had good reason?

I've been to different protests when younger and noticed government photographers set up in various area's steadily snapping pictures. These days of course, they can take pictures of you through your roof while making the morning toast.

Though I think a photograph could be used as a focal point, remote viewing would allow them to find any potential target regardless.

There is a way to disappear off their radar completely though. Logically there is always a way.

Absolutely fabulous reply sky!

 ;D

LE
are you following me..??

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bwhahahahahahahahahahah

Quote from: sky otter on November 28, 2012, 01:40:58 AM
;D

LE
are you following me..??

(http://i45.servimg.com/u/f45/13/55/53/83/88643813.gif)

bwhahahahahahahahahahah

hehehheh!
Only enough to learn from you as much as I have so far..your a steady flame in a windy world.

No stalking, just truth!

Cheers! :D

Quote from: Captain Dave on November 27, 2012, 07:35:31 PM
I wonder how many times the past or future has been influenced by an individual or groups psychic message. With so much mind pollution, it's a wonder why things aren't more of a mess.

Very simple really...

In all of history, it has always been a FEW that got anything done. When America broke free form Britain, it was less than 20% of the population of the US that fought for freedom and the whole thing was planned and executed by a mere handful of men

Look at Hitler... (and any of the other dictators in History) Why is it that ONE mind can influence so many?  Simple... You give those minds, most of whom are simple, a focus point.  While they are focused on that, you direct that focused energy to achieve your goal.

Fortunately for the human race when such power is used to generate evil, it is self defeating. Good creates, Evil by its nature destroys... so in the end evil destroys itself.  That is the ONLY edge that the good has.

Organized chaos is a tool used by those seeking to use the collective energy for a purpose, no matter what that purpose is. As long as people are in constant chaos, they cannot focus on what matters.

I found out by being King in the Medieval world how you can use this. People, like in a cult, will follow a leader, be it for good or evil, if they are given a focus. People NEED a leader... in the absence of a benevolent leader they will follow the next best thing.  Hitler gave the people jobs, autobahn and the people's car... a cheap affordable transport  AND he gave them someone to blame.

Once you have the people minds focused on what YOU want them to think about, you can channel that energy for your program :D

So Chaos is good :D  Gives them 'busy work'  And where do we get to put the blame? Well the PTB gave us those illusive "Illuminati" to blame for everything, never mind the fact that it was Rosicrucians/Masons who gave America its freedom in the first place....

But when Woodrow signed that paper creating the Fed and the IRS, both private institutions, THEy were able to redirect our anger at those "Illuminati" who are all Satan worshipers

Wake up people...  you have all been had and are all under mind control :D

Quote from: zorgon on November 28, 2012, 04:15:42 AM
Very simple really...

In all of history, it has always been a FEW that got anything done. When America broke free form Britain, it was less than 20% of the population of the US that fought for freedom and the whole thing was planned and executed by a mere handful of men

Look at Hitler... (and any of the other dictators in History) Why is it that ONE mind can influence so many?  Simple... You give those minds, most of whom are simple, a focus point.  While they are focused on that, you direct that focused energy to achieve your goal.

Fortunately for the human race when such power is used to generate evil, it is self defeating. Good creates, Evil by its nature destroys... so in the end evil destroys itself.  That is the ONLY edge that the good has.

Organized chaos is a tool used by those seeking to use the collective energy for a purpose, no matter what that purpose is. As long as people are in constant chaos, they cannot focus on what matters.

I found out by being King in the Medieval world how you can use this. People, like in a cult, will follow a leader, be it for good or evil, if they are given a focus. People NEED a leader... in the absence of a benevolent leader they will follow the next best thing.  Hitler gave the people jobs, autobahn and the people's car... a cheap affordable transport  AND he gave them someone to blame.

Once you have the people minds focused on what YOU want them to think about, you can channel that energy for your program :D

So Chaos is good :D  Gives them 'busy work'  And where do we get to put the blame? Well the PTB gave us those illusive "Illuminati" to blame for everything, never mind the fact that it was Rosicrucians/Masons who gave America its freedom in the first place....

But when Woodrow signed that paper creating the Fed and the IRS, both private institutions, THEy were able to redirect our anger at those "Illuminati" who are all Satan worshipers

Wake up people...  you have all been had and are all under mind control :D

I Agree in so many ways.

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My question - Is there a way to stop the aggressions of all the various groups, fix these misunderstandings and create something everyone can agree to?

Using force to effect change causes so many problems; lack of understanding so many more.

Understandably those individuals in power don't wish to lose their power. I believe the only way to win is to assure that those in power don't lose what they have, while at the same time creating a system that allows everyone else to have all they need.

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Mind control without the subjects permission and a lack of understanding by the one controlling just creates more of a mess. The World today seems too much like children fighting on a playground with no adult supervision.

Quote from: zorgon on November 28, 2012, 04:15:42 AM
Once you have the people minds focused on what YOU want them to think about, you can channel that energy for your program :D

There's a fair degree of irony here, in your regal attitude on the one hand, and your complaining about people you identify with, being viewed as the enemy of the rest of humanity, on the other.

QuoteSo Chaos is good :D  Gives them 'busy work'

Yes, quite right.  Never mind the peasantry.  Let them eat cake.  :(

I sometimes have to wonder about the degree to which you are being humorous, when you make such statements.  I know that there is an element of that, from the point of view that when you have spoken more seriously, you have implied that you are aware of the degree of responsibility that monarchy (if it is to be engaged in with integrity, at least) involves.

I saw the degree of fear, pain, and misery that the chaos of 9/11 and the London train bombing caused, Zorgon.  I know you're joking, for the most part; but it is exactly the type of attitude that you are quoting here, held on the part of self-appointed "elites," which caused that pain.  The idea that the "little people," are disposable, and nobody needs to care about how many of them die, because if you're one of said elite, their lives supposedly only exist for your own use anyway.

QuoteAnd where do we get to put the blame? Well the PTB gave us those illusive "Illuminati" to blame for everything, never mind the fact that it was Rosicrucians/Masons who gave America its freedom in the first place....

As far as I am concerned, the cabal do not get to have it both ways.  If they want to view themselves as the custodians of the rest of the species, then that would be perfectly fine, if they remained more consistently mindful of the fact that, rightfully, the crook is to be wielded at least as often (if not marginally moreso) than the flail.  If they do not, then they will eventually be disposed of, and the people can expect divine assistance in performing said disposal.

For the most part, the hierarchy we have right now is not remotely benevolent, Zorgon.  I realised walking home tonight that Undo genuinely was right about me, and that as a result, I have been genuinely unfair to you at times; because I've viewed you as being similar to a part of myself that I don't want to look at or accept, and have treated you accordingly.  I do apologise for that.

My time as co-administrator of a Christian IRC channel during the mid 90s, leader initially of a 120 person guild within World of Warcraft in 2006, and then of a 300+ person offline social anxiety support group in Melbourne, as well as my later reading of some of the Hindu scriptures, taught me that while monarchy genuinely can be part of the divine order, it only is, if it is being administered in a manner that is consistent with said divine order.

if we can do things which others cannot, or will not, that is not to be used as a source of egotism.  A certain amount of glory is permissible, yes; as has been said, a worker is worth his hire.  There is no greater perversion of the role, however, than if that power is turned against the very people who it is supposed to nurture.  The screams of those who died during 9/11 were heard, I assure you; as was the agony experienced by the million+ civilians who have died in Iraq, as a result of America's destruction of that country.  What the leaders of the American government and military have waiting for them after their own deaths, will be a first person experience of all of the pain they have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHZUEx91ny8

We are all given to experience, all of the emotional effects which our actions have on others.  This is justice.  My own terror of this, more than anything else, is the reason why, with only the rare exceptions listed above, I have consistently focused all of my will on the restraint of my own nature.  It is better for me if I experience my entire lifetime alone and locked in my bedroom, and die accomplishing nothing whatsoever, than if my use of what I have been given, causes the suffering of others.

Quote from: zorgon on November 28, 2012, 04:15:42 AM
In all of history, it has always been a FEW that got anything done. When America broke free form Britain, it was less than 20% of the population of the US that fought for freedom and the whole thing was planned and executed by a mere handful of men

Many of those planners were British. ;)

Quote from: zorgon on November 28, 2012, 04:15:42 AMFortunately for the human race when such power is used to generate evil, it is self defeating. Good creates, Evil by its nature destroys... so in the end evil destroys itself.  That is the ONLY edge that the good has.

"Evil when left unopposed will always turn upon itself" ~ Dion Fortune (I think)

And speaking of mind control......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM0GY2RDcvs

When one stops and thinks about it (ironic), mind control is everywhere.

It is the net that traps us.

From our youth we are taught not to question what we are told or taught.

We are told to believe what our teachers are telling us in school. We are taught not to question our history lessons.  What we are being taught in Sunday School.  What our doctors are telling us and prescribing to us to make us "well".  What our news anchors are informing us about the "truth" in the world.   

We are taught that our government leaders have our best interests at heart.  We are taught that the only energy sources are expensive and many are non renewable and running out.   The list goes on and on.


Anyways for the few that step back and think outside the matrix, suddenly there is this New Age Spirituality there to catch people and have them feeling good about themselves and persuade them into believing that Aliens are going to save them.  Not going to happen.


I have to say that I do like the Ra material and Bashar for the same reasons as was posted earlier in this thread. 

As for Britain, the US is Britain 2.0...always has been.

Thanks to them for the corporate quagmire they brought to these shores. Im sure if the Indians knew what they were in for, there wouldve been a lot more resistance from the start.

All roads lead to Rome of course, the Queen of England is a patsy for the Vatican, the ultimate evil!

Welcome back Cap'n :)

Organized chaos, Z?
Tell me about it.... ::)

QuoteUnderstandably those individuals in power don't wish to lose their power. I believe the only way to win is to assure that those in power don't lose what they have, while at the same time creating a system that allows everyone else to have all they need.

Good point, maybe we should use their own trick against them, give them the illusion that they are in control, whereas they have none at all.

Hey wait a minute, that's happening right now ;)

QuoteFor the most part, the hierarchy we have right now is not remotely benevolent, Zorgon.

Indeed.
Micier & L.E. too..cool posting ;)

Quote from: Amaterasu on November 18, 2012, 07:32:57 PM
"JD" was the name Linda gave to Her lover who was in the intelligence field.

aka JD Stenzel aka Anynonmouses HUMILUS HUMILIBUS INFLECTENS ARROGANTIBUS

Just thought it was an amusing coincidence.

HEY your back pim :)
one of peggy's finest UFO evaluation specialist's  8)
off topic but heyho

Quote from: stealthyaroura on August 25, 2013, 11:05:45 PM
HEY your back pim :)
one of peggy's finest UFO evaluation specialist's  8)
off topic but heyho

Kind of back.  Not sure I have much time available for this at this point in my life but I'm here. :)

ANY pimander input is welcome! even if it's minimal due to time restraints or whatever else :)

Quote from: stealthyaroura on August 25, 2013, 11:38:44 PM
ANY pimander input is welcome! even if it's minimal due to time restraints or whatever else :)

You're too kind.  I'll try to add my thoughts for a time....

Seriously, Pim, You have been missed!!!  Glad to know You still breathe!  [grin]

Thanks Amy.  Too kind.

I'll explain my disappearance better later.  Don't expect any cloak and dagger intrigue  though (although it is tempting LOL).  In case anyone else has any kind thoughts, save em for when I post my apology for going AWOL so we don't completely take over the thread.  8)

I am sure you will  enlighten us, Pimander; was beginning to wonder if you had been abducted or seduced by the dark side, a victim of sinisrer Men in black...


Seeker

Interesting to note that the law of one had connections to the Mind Control big boys.
They seemed to have practised lesser Magick in order to contact 'Ra'.
Whatever the truth may be, Don Elkins felt strongly enough about the situation to kill himself.

THE MKULTRA COLLECTION!

http://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/cia-mkultra-collection/

Thanks.  There are a few things I should look up in there. :)

Anytime.

The Black Vault was the first site to show the true....back in 99....

We used to use it when researching back in my Abovetopsecret days.  I've been working on my baby boy for the last couple of years but I'm gradually winning back my free time and intend to start working on some old projects again.

same here!!!