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Reiner Gamma Lunar Magnetic Anomaly Near Side (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1823.0)

Greetings:

What a great fish story!

QuoteQ: Where is Clementine now?

A: The spacecraft, as you know, from the name Clementine, is only supposed to be here for a short period of time and be lost and gone forever, so it was intended for a very short period of time after this lunar mission, did a rendezvous with the earth, and shortly after that was shifted by the moon's gravity and continued a flight which will bring it back near the earth about nine years from now.

So it's an 11 year total flight around the sun. So basically it's moving like a little planet around the sun, and it will bring it back close to us in about nine years... It's two years since it left us so it will be another nine years before it's back. (2005)

But it's not useful right now.

The mission is finished.

Quotewas shifted by the moon's gravity

Are we the only ones who think that this statement seems rather odd in relation to the 'thruster' stories previously put-forth?

Another great thread that leave us wandering and wondering about our moon.

:D

Peace Love Light
tfw

Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 08, 2012, 01:56:36 PM
Are we the only ones who think that this statement seems rather odd in relation to the 'thruster' stories previously put-forth?

It depends on who said that.

Do you mind posting the source? :)

Quote from: ArMaP on July 08, 2012, 05:36:50 PM
It depends on who said that.

Do you mind posting the source? :)

Or does it just depend on whether it is true?

Quote from: Pimander on July 08, 2012, 07:06:13 PM
Or does it just depend on whether it is true?

In this case, if we are comparing it with something that was said by someone before, we can only know if it "seems rather odd" if we know who said it, regardless of being true or not.

If it was said by the same persons that made the previous statement about the thrusters, then it seems odd, if it was made by someone that has no relation with who made the statement about the thrusters, then it doesn't seem odd.

If it's from the same persons, not only is it odd, one of those (or both) statements is incomplete or false.

I see what you mean.  I can't fault your logic. :)

Quote from: ArMaP on July 08, 2012, 05:36:50 PM
It depends on who said that.

Do you mind posting the source? :)

Greetings:

If we didn't know better, Dear ArMap, we might think you was a'trollin' we'uns...   :P

It has nothing to do with 'who' said it.

It has everything to do with conflicting stories brought forth in all their glory in Z's OP.

It was brought to a logical conclusion on Page 2 of the Clementine thread.

... we thought... been wrong before.

Now, how 'bout it?

Peace Love Light
tfw

I know NOTHING about what you guys are talking about here with the Clemintine project but I did catch a reference to it on another thread where someone said that it was a NAVY project.

Can anyone confirm that?

By the way....
Go Navy.    Linda

Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 09, 2012, 12:43:40 AM
It has nothing to do with 'who' said it.

It has, if who said something was someone that does not agree with the person(s) that said the other thing. If you say that "soccer suck, hokey rules" and I say "hockey sucks, soccer rules", that's not the same as if those two sentences were said by you or by me.

QuoteIt has everything to do with conflicting stories brought forth in all their glory in Z's OP.

What OP, the one with only one image?
Or are you talking about a different thread? If you are, how should we know which one you are talking about?

QuoteIt was brought to a logical conclusion on Page 2 of the Clementine thread.

I see that you are really talking about a different thread, it would have been nice to know about that other thread. A simple link would be enough. :)

Quote from: Linda Brown on July 09, 2012, 01:05:14 AM
I know NOTHING about what you guys are talking about here with the Clemintine project but I did catch a reference to it on another thread where someone said that it was a NAVY project.

It was a Department of Defense project, with spacecraft design, manufacture, integration, and mission execution done by the Naval Research Laboratory. NASA provided the communications, if my memory isn't failing. :)

Greetings:

And now we are the confused one...

Somehow, we were under the impression that this thread was the DISCUSSION thread for the OP:

That's why we're here, discussing the OP that we all read, right?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1823.0

Sorry for not providing that linky last post...

We still love ya, ArMap.

tfw

Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 09, 2012, 01:42:13 AM
Somehow, we were under the impression that this thread was the DISCUSSION thread for the OP:

Doesn't OP mean Opening Post (or Poster, according to the context)?
To me, opening post refers to the opening post of the thread we're in, not the opening post of a different thread, that's why I wasn't understanding what you meant by that.

I still don't understand the logic of having a topic thread (apparently that's what they're called) and a discussion thread, it looks like an added layer of confusion for people like me. ;D

QuoteWe still love ya, ArMap.

Thanks. :)

Where do I get a manual explaining how this forum works? ;D

http://www.nrl.navy.mil/clementine2/

lol ArMap you are a classic.

Epic thread z - BUT the 1st link to http://pdsmaps.wr.usgs.gov/PDS/public/explorer/html/multintm.htm gives me broken link when I click on the map on any setting :/ .

The 2nd DoD link works - but I want the 1st. Also is there a color version of that map we can look at?

Cheers! Gonna re-read that thread again, and again..

**edit well this works OK http://www.mapaplanet.org/explorer/moon.html but the 1st link didn't.

Quote from: ArMaP on July 09, 2012, 01:16:15 AM
Or are you talking about a different thread? If you are, how should we know which one you are talking about?
I see that you are really talking about a different thread, it would have been nice to know about that other thread. A simple link would be enough. :)

Okay my bad  It seems its not clear to everyone yet that I do TWO threads  One locked information thread and one parallel discussion thread

So from now on I will add the link to the library thread at the beginning of the opening post of the discussion thread

Fixing Now

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Quote from: Linda Brown on July 09, 2012, 01:05:14 AM
I know NOTHING about what you guys are talking about here with the Clemintine project but I did catch a reference to it on another thread where someone said that it was a NAVY project.
Can anyone confirm that?

Sure I can confirm that but wouldn't it be better to actual read that magnificent thread Zorgon put together?

Might distract people from all the drama around here lately :P

O wow those are amazingly clear pics :o

If i can find the time, i would like to download & study them.
I managed to find quite a few in the Apollo 17 pics i got from NAStA

'data loss' my foot, since the pics are streamed via serial interface, a 'data loss' would leave a thin black stripe through the pic (vertical or horizontal depending on how it was scanned) and not a bloody great 'microsoft paint' square blob :P

This is going to be fun!

I will have to give my PC an enema first, to make room for those TIFF's.
These 'tiffs' i like ::) :P

Great pics, Zorgon, but does anyone think of this when they see those images?
(http://www.scientiapress.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/serpent_mound_l.jpg)

http://www.greatserpentmound.com/

Nice!
Le

Hey, that looks just like areas on Mars!


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1825.0;attach=1495)
By the way, here's an enlargement of that pic from A17;

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1825.0;attach=1497)

Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 08, 2012, 01:56:36 PM
What a great fish story!

Are we the only ones who think that this statement seems rather odd in relation to the 'thruster' stories previously put-forth?

Now that I know what we're talking about, I can answer (sorry for the confusion ;D).

To me, it looks like two different things: first, the thruster problem, that put Clementine into a spin (either 80 or 81 revolutions per minute) and that made the 1620 Geographos rendez-vous impossible, so they sent it into a solar orbit, and for that they used the Moon's gravity to make it enter that new orbit.

While Clementine was in a spin they used it to make further tests, by sending it through the Van Allen belt to test the electronics in that harsher environment, and during those last orbits around Earth it was gathering technical data about the instruments and electronics on board, not taking photos of the Earth.

Then they send it closer to the Moon to have it change the orbit into a solar orbit, where it probably still is.

At least that's how I read it, but I have been known to make mistakes and bad interpretations from time to time. :)

Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 09, 2012, 09:36:14 PM
Hey, that looks just like areas on Mars!

.bmp format is not forum friendly  Perhaps you can change it to .png?

Oops sorry! :-[

I'm too late to modify the post, can you delete it for me?

This is a closeup of something above the 'horizon' that has blatantly been fiddled with, but they missed this one tiny area of detail...

ETA going to download those Clementine pics tomorrow, see what i can find.....
Where's our photo guru Deuem?  :D

On the Topic thread, it says:

QuoteThe following image is the actual data set that Clementine took

and then it shows these images.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Womb/Womb001a.jpg)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Womb/spider_01Res.png)

Those images are not the actual data set that Clementine took, as the UV/Vis camera was only a 384 x 288 camera and the photos were all monochromatic.

To make an image like the one above it takes some dozens of photos from several wavelengths, and that's the type of work that's done with ISIS.

When they talk about 1.8 millions of photos they are talking about the 384 x 288 photos, not those large mosaics.