Does anyone in the Las Vegas area know about Cold Creek....
Its between or not far from Mount Charleston area and Indian Springs.
As I am led to believe this is a Private Town and only accessible to residents only...
I have not been aware that such places exist....
Just wonder if anyone else knows about similar towns in the USA ?
astro..everything (lol) is on line
http://tours.tourfactory.com/tours/tour.asp?t=393615
http://www.mtcharlestonrealty.com/COLDCREEKMAP
http://www.realtor.com/homes-for-sale/cold-creek_nv/?source=web
Hi Sky,
Yes, I was able to find somethings on google...
But I was trying to find out if private towns are known about where only residents can enter...As I understand the visiting public cannot enter, even to go to a shop or garage to obtain gas/fuel...
I do not think that I am aware of anywhere that does that...
I was wondering if this is a common thing in the USA or very rare !
Very common in Russia and China... never heard of it here in the US unless the town is A) on a Native Reservation or B) a military restricted area.
There in one 'Town' in Tonopah that is a unit for the Tonopah test area workers
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Area_52/Tonopah_North_02.png)
Cold Creek Nevada
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VGomsD88Xg
It one place you can go see the Wild Mustangs and Burros
Wild Horses in Cold Creek Nevada
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_fU61OQmss
Cold Creek pond
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAw8HumXazI
So yeah STAY OUT YA FOREIGNERS :P We LIKE it quiet out here :D
Now Zorgon !
From what you have said as I understand it....
You did not seem to have been aware of the fact that it is a private town as such....which I am surprised as you live relatively close to it... and I would have thought that it may had been a talking point at some time for the Las Vegas people...Or maybe you did not want the World to know ! :-)
But its not just Foreign visitors that are locked out... Even L.V residents unless they own one of the homes or are visiting someone their !
So I am not sure if I have educated you on this or not ? Unless I was mistaken or they have changed it since I was informed about it !
I was wondering if this is something relatively new in the U.S for the Rich or maybe those in power to stay out of the way if something may happen in the near future...
It just seems a bit strange to me and the fact that you were not aware of it in the U.S does suggest that its a bit unusual.
Well there are no gates... real estate agents are selling property there... I see no keep out signs and I can go take pictures of the horses anytime I want so I am not sure what your talking about?
The fact that there are about a hundred videos on youtube of the horses out there should tell you its not closed :P
Its also on the list of popular motorcycle and ATV touring areas
http://www.riderplanet-usa.com/atv/trails/info/nevada_13126/ride_336b.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEVjuPRbKXI
Quote from: astr0144 on July 31, 2012, 01:59:21 AMUnless I was mistaken or they have changed it since I was informed about it !
You might be mistaken..
Indian Springs.. were the military has its stuff and the UAV command post is also on Cold Creek ROAD maybe you are confused?
But even that is not closed :P
QuoteVisitors to Indian Springs will see trailers from an era gone by, including the "Atomic View Trailer Court". Some of the same people who lived in Indian Springs during the 1950s still live there today.
There is also Cold Creek Spring on the Nevada test site... contaminated from all the nuke tests :P
Hmmm !
Well I know that you can drive up to it ok...and there are entrances....
But there were warning signs saying residents only. There is also a large post box on the road side...residents have to obtain their posts from the road as I understand...I did see a video somewhere that had a photo of it.
( I will try to find it later )
Have you ever been up that area or around Mount Charleston ?
The Road to Cold Creek as far as I know takes you to a track to Mount Sterling...which if you have the energy to hike takes you to a view of the NTS / Nellis range...and I believe that it is the only place where you can see Papoose Lake if it is clear enough...
You can see a photo of the Post box on one of the links that Sky Posted..
Photo Number 8 ....... 3rd row down...
http://www.mtcharlestonrealty.com/COLDCREEKPHOTOS
Also on your reply number 4 ... the first video that you posted for Cold Creek.
you can see the post box at 2 mins 24 secs...There is a Notice Board behind it and if I recall, there is information on that Board...( But unfortunately we cannot see it close enough to read)
There does not seem to be anything anywhere that I have looked at so far that says that its a Private town...
I will try and do some further research to find out for sure...
The Only thing that I have been able to find is some comments made on a hunting website...where Cold Creek refers to private property and what they think of outsiders !
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What are you hunting for? I've bird hunted in there a few times, but nothing else. I can tell you be very respectful of the private property. Residents of Cold Creek do not like outsiders very much. (Assuming it's the Cold Creek an hour out of Vegas. In this state, there's probably more than one. I think we have ten or more Pine and Cherry Creeks here.)
http://www.biggamehunt.net/forum/cold-creek-nevada-hunting-tips
Quote from: astr0144 on July 31, 2012, 03:26:15 AM
The Only thing that I have been able to find is some comments made on a hunting website...where Cold Creek refers to private property and what they think of outsiders
LOL that is the same attitude in every small town in the USA... try walking around the back hills of Tenessee and Kentucky :P
People live in small towns to avoid the city folk... and they have shotguns to make that point
QuoteResidents of Cold Creek do not like outsiders very much.
Yup Goodsprings the old mining town is the same... you drive into town and they all stare at you. If your dresses for rock hunting and drive an old truck, it just takes a few minutes to get accepted :D And then you get to chat with the old miners :D
Respect private property... well yeah what's wrong with that?
Mt Charleston is a beautiful wilderness in the middle of a desert. Vegas is full of illegal Mexicans that swarm the hill on weekends and leave trash and destruction wherever they go. No respect at all. Unfortunately your not allowed to shoot them :P
Number ONE rule of hunters, hikers and rock hunters If its posted private property STAY OUT or ask the owner for permission. I have gotten into active working mines by simply getting permission in writing. Its not that hard
Quotehttp://www.biggamehunt.net/forum/cold-creek-nevada-hunting-tips
Seeing as that is a hunting site.. makes sense that they would tell people to be respectful Also 90% of the area is protected BLM land for the wild horses, burros and Desert Tortoise. John lost his mine to the Desert Tortoise. They made 250,000 acres into a wildlife management area and his mine was the last active one in the area
Nice place but you need an ATV to get in there :D
Some religion based towns are pretty reclusive, but I don't know if they actually post warning signs. Then there are the muti-million dollar mcmansion areas where some of the people seem to think their stuff doesn't stink. Then there's the rest of us. One paw in front of the other, try not to trip over the lint on the carpet, pay a cover charge to walk into the grocery store, etc.
Shasta
Quote from: astr0144 on July 31, 2012, 03:01:26 AM
You can see a photo of the Post box on one of the links that Sky Posted.
you will also see a lot of signs like this in the area
(http://www.mtcharlestonrealty.com/xSites/Agents/AngieTomashowski/Content/UploadedFiles/CC%20Toiyabe%20Sign.jpg)
Nice picture of the wild mustangs :D You can adopt one for $300 when they cull the herd
(http://www.mtcharlestonrealty.com/xsites/Agents/AngieTomashowski/content/uploadedFiles/cchorses.jpg)
Gold Butte area has some nice signs :P but most of them have bullet holes :o
(http://www.mojavetrails.com/MT_AZ_09.jpg)
Dang thing is now that they made is a preserve, they advertise it to tourists so they will do more damage than the hunters and miners did :P
Quote from: astr0144 on July 31, 2012, 02:26:58 AM
Hmmm !
Well I know that you can drive up to it ok...and there are entrances....
There is only one narrow paved road in and out, like most small towns out west here. Its in that first video
QuoteThere is also a large post box on the road side...residents have to obtain their posts from the road as I understand...I did see a video somewhere that had a photo of it.
( I will try to find it later )
Its in that first video too :P as you enter the town ;)
As to mail boxes small towns have had those for years, used to look like this (without locks)
(http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/62553/62553,1161718461,1/stock-photo-rural-mailboxes-lined-up-at-a-mountain-location-2050566.jpg)
Now the have locks and look like this.
(http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/c/sebastiancabot/mailbox.jpg)
Many housing communities here and in Canada use those now. Door to door mail delivery is dying out
QuoteBut there were warning signs saying residents only.
Okay I think I know what you are getting at. Up on Mt Charleston there is very little space. The few houses that are up there have private streets owned and maintained by the residents. There are those signs to keep the tourists out of the purely residential areas. They get thousands of tourists up there both for skiing in the winter and hiking and hunting in the summer
yeah there are private homes up there prime realestate a small cabin will cost $450.000. Its at 8,000 fet and they get snow. It beautiful up there and only 35min drive from my house in the middle of Las Vegas to the summit
The signs are there to let tourists know its residential.. but no one stops you from driving down the very narrow roads for pictures. There are no stores except the Lodge, which has a restaurant and is open to the public
Here are some properties for sale. But with a single road in and out clogged with tourists year round I wouldn't want to live up there :D But its a nice escape from the heat in summer.
http://www.neighborcity.com/property/4581-Aspen-Ave-Mount-Charleston-NV-89124-932300-6524730/
QuoteHave you ever been up that area or around Mount Charleston ?
Al the time :P I ski :D
(http://mappery.com/maps/Las-Vegas-Ski-and-Snowboard-Resort-Ski-Trail-Map-2.thumb.pdf.png)
(http://ginakingsland.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/mount-charleston-nevada-2006-8.jpg)
QuoteThe Road to Cold Creek as far as I know takes you to a track to Mount Sterling...which if you have the energy to hike takes you to a view of the NTS / Nellis range...and I believe that it is the only place where you can see Papoose Lake if it is clear enough...
not much to see on Papoose Lake :D and you can take a DOE blue bus right to the Test Center, Groom lake/Area 51 is a very small section of the Nellis Range
On this map you can get your bearings Mt Charleston is the brown mountains south of Indiand Springs on that map. Click for full sizw.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Area_51/Wfm_area51_map_en.png) (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Area_51/Wfm_area51_map_en.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/Vault/NV_Map_01.png)
Wow that last post ended up in limbo :P Didn't see it didn't post the first time
LOLs Sharsta ! Always the rich who take over our land....
Good Info Zorgon...
Worrying about the Mexicans and shame for John being done by the wildlife and a tortoise !
Its a bit of a drive from Vegas and high up...and can be quite cold when Vegas is burning..
One or two comments here about Cold Creek and some nice photos of the creek if your into fishing...It surprises me how nice it looks in these shots.
http://www.fisherdad.com/2006/11/cold-creek-clark-co-nv.html
The Views looking down over NTS and Nellis are somewhat breathtaking on a clear day.
Just as I am about to post this I see your next detailed post...But ill post this for now..
Quote from: zorgon on July 31, 2012, 05:00:55 AM
Gold Butte area has some nice signs :P but most of them have bullet holes :o
;D Just a few eh?
Dag nab gold bugs shooting up the place!
Yes it does seem that those post boxes are common...and I follow what you say about the area, tourists and properties...
I know you get some rich areas and maybe some private streets...But If Cold Creek is a Private Town as such..I have never come across that..
As far as I recall I was informed that they have signs and security and will not let you in even though it has 200 properties...
It does look an impressive area for many activities...hard to believe that you can ski 40 miles from Vegas.
I like the Maps....By any chance have you been up on Mount Sterling ?
As far as I know Papoose Lake is 45 miles North of Mt Sterling..
What do you mean take the blue bus to the Test Center.. Do you mean Mercury ? Where they test the Nukes ? I assume you do not mean to Groom ! as I have never heard of any official bus taking any one there...Just their workers in a White Bus :-)
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not much to see on Papoose Lake :D and you can take a DOE blue bus right to the Test Center, Groom lake/Area 51 is a very small section of the Nellis Range
Quote from: astr0144 on July 31, 2012, 05:32:29 AM
What do you mean take the blue bus to the Test Center.. Do you mean Mercury ? Where they test the Nukes ? I assume you do not mean to Groom ! as I have never heard of any official bus taking any one there...Just their workers in a White Bus :-)
Yucca Mountain and Nevada Test Center are miles away from Groom lake :P
Nevada Test Site - The Bureau of Atomic Tourism (http://www.atomictourist.com/nts.htm)Sometimes the tours are not available - depends what they are testing out there :P
(http://www.atomictourist.com/images/nts2.jpg)
(http://www.atomictourist.com/images/nts1.jpg)
(http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/special/trinity/art/sedan_crater.jpg)
The Sedan crater at the Nevada Test Site is nearly a quarter-mile wide and 320 feet deep. One purpose of the 1962 Sedan test was investigating whether nuclear weapons could be used to excavate canals and harbors. The crater is a national historic site.(http://www.dreamlandresort.com/trip_reports/p6270_s.jpg)
http://www.dreamlandresort.com/trip_reports/trip_004.htmlNot much to see... just big radioactive holes :P
(http://i44.tinypic.com/ofakog.jpg)
Yucca Mountain Tourhttp://geoscience.unlv.edu/GSN/trips/General_Info_Tour.doc
And NO you can't tour this
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zWHd3cKFpqU/UA6dKpsF-2I/AAAAAAAAG0k/iMGXJ1m8VRA/s320/Area-51-UFO%25202%2520people-001.jpg)
I am sure that a trip to the NTS / Mercury if you can visit those locations mentioned would be good to see...But How safe would one really be !
Can we believe them if they tell us the radiation has now fallen below set levels. I take it that you have visited these places...
Well...I will write to the Nellis base and tell them that they have a few interested people who wants to visit Groom and Papoose instead...for research purposes only !....
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And NO you can't tour this ( A51 )
Quote from: zorgon on July 31, 2012, 05:04:09 AM
Wow that last post ended up in limbo :P Didn't see it didn't post the first time
it's in Mod Review - that's why we came back here - to find out why the white pages
My, this thread has grown!
"TOURS BY Z"