I know there was a post about THE ANTIKYTHERA MECHANISM previously, but here is something I saw information on years ago, and wanted revisit. There are numerous artifacts on this site but the metal coils and spirals caught my attention for some reason. Sure looks like some type of technology to me.
http://rabbithole2.com/presentation/ancient/ancient_artifacts_that_challenge_modern_archaeology.htm
SPIRAL-SHAPED MICRO-OBJECTS FOUND IN RUSSIA
In the years 1991-1993, gold prospectors on the small river Narada, on the eastern side of the Ural mountains, have found unusual, mostly spiral-shaped objects. The size of these things ranges from a maximum of 3 cm (1.2 in.) down to an incredible 0.003 mm, about 1/10,000th of an inch! To date, these inexplicable artifacts have been found in their thousands at various sites near the rivers Narada, Kozhim, and Balbanyu, and also by two smaller streams named Vtvisty and Lapkhevozh, mostly at depths between 3 and 12 meters (10 and 40 ft.) The spiral-form objects are composed of various metals: the larger ones are of copper, while the small and very small ones are of the rare metals tungsten and molybdenum. Tungsten has a high atomic weight, and is also very dense, with a melting point of 3410 deg. C (6100 deg. F). It is used principally for the hardening of special steels, and in unalloyed form for the filaments of light bulbs. Molybdenum also has a high density, and a respectable melting point of 2650 deg. C (4740 deg. F). This metal too is used for hardening steels and giving them corrosion-resistant properties, these being used principally for highly-stressed weapon parts and vehicle armor. All tests carried out to date these objects to around 20,000 years old.
(http://rabbithole2.com/presentation/images2/artifacts/russia_spring2.jpg)
(http://rabbithole2.com/presentation/images2/artifacts/russia_spring3.jpg)
Quite apart from such subtleties, these objects are obviously the product
of an inexplicable and highly advanced technology; they bear remarkable
resemblances to control elements used in micro-miniature devices in our
very latest technology, so-called nanomachines. This technology is still in
its infancy with us, but already engineers are thinking of applications
which are pure science-fiction.
http://www.artgomperz.com/a1999/oct/ice2.htm
Interesting that you should make this thread right now, COSMO. I was just looking up OOParts on the Web earlier. Great minds, I guess. ;)
I've always been fascinated by discoveries that the mainstream archaeological/paleontological narrative has no room for. I think it's yet another example of the standard strategy which governments use for thought control.
a} Always have your own narrative. It doesn't matter how implausible or how much of a blatant lie it might be. The point is that it is a coherent narrative, and that is what people need.
b} Destroy enough evidence of the narrative which is not conducive to your control, that said opposing narrative is no longer coherent. You don't need to destroy all of the evidence for it, at all; you simply need to destroy enough that those who want to believe in said opposing narrative, only ever have disjointed, individual fragments of evidence to cite, which can and will be easily refuted by debunkers. The debunkers will be desperate to defend your own narrative at virtually any cost, because the one thing which they need, more than anything else, is a coherent narrative which has been given to them by someone else, which they haven't had to figure out for themselves.
I love ooparts..a favorite..good post, Cosmo, and cool site the rabbit hole there!
Cheers!
Yeah, more and more and more... We are seeing evidence that the history They give Us CANNOT be correct. And, yes, petrus, They do try to keep it hidden. Thankfully, the web is here to help spread it and when enough comes together, even Their narrative crumbles.
I have a question...
How many of you actually care if the Ooparts that are suddenly turning up everywhere with NO record of location, who dug them up etc...
even care if they are real or faked?
Is it enough to say "Oh see? main stream archaeologists have been hiding this stuff"
Just asking.... because what I see around the net is any good story will do :P
Quote from: zorgon on August 03, 2012, 10:39:40 PM
I have a question...
How many of you actually care if the Ooparts that are suddenly turning up everywhere with NO record of location, who dug them up etc...
even care if they are real or faked?
Is it enough to say "Oh see? main stream archaeologists have been hiding this stuff"
Just asking.... because what I see around the net is any good story will do :P
i've discovered that's true about everything. you can present thousands of years of archaeological evidence, written texts, histories, artifacts, even science, to corroborate something and have people stick their noses up at it but swallow the flimiest of evidence on a subject they are more inclined to believe. we realize this about each other, but rarely put ourselves to the same scrutiny.
Quote from: zorgon on August 03, 2012, 10:39:40 PM
I have a question...
How many of you actually care if the Ooparts that are suddenly turning up everywhere with NO record of location, who dug them up etc...
even care if they are real or faked?
Is it enough to say "Oh see? main stream archaeologists have been hiding this stuff"
Just asking.... because what I see around the net is any good story will do :P
Silence. I demand Atlantean ancestry, with direct, ancient, superluminal spacefaring capabilities via my Merkabah, and Stargates. Nothing else will be accepted.
*Blocks ears with fingers* La la la I can't hear you! Rationalism?! Of what speakest thou? ;)
Quote from: zorgon on August 03, 2012, 10:39:40 PM
I have a question...
How many of you actually care if the Ooparts that are suddenly turning up everywhere with NO record of location, who dug them up etc...
even care if they are real or faked?
Is it enough to say "Oh see? main stream archaeologists have been hiding this stuff"
Just asking.... because what I see around the net is any good story will do :P
Oh, I appreciate only the ones that have some info on when and where and who. The stuff Nassim is showing is still suspect.
Quote from: petrus4 on August 03, 2012, 10:55:21 PM
Silence. I demand Atlantean ancestry, with direct, ancient, superluminal spacefaring capabilities via my Merkabah, and Stargates. Nothing else will be accepted.
*Blocks ears with fingers* La la la I can't hear you! Rationalism?! Of what speakest thou? ;)
i rest my case. :D
Quote from: undo11 on August 03, 2012, 10:47:34 PM
i've discovered that's true about everything. you can present thousands of years of archaeological evidence, written texts, histories, artifacts, even science, to corroborate something and have people stick their noses up at it but swallow the flimiest of evidence on a subject they are more inclined to believe.
Don't you that, if it's presented as going against mainstream science, it's automatically considered a "truth that is hidden by the PTB". :)
The need for being considered against "mainstream" (either government, science, religion or favourite club) that some people have is so common and strong that I think psychology must have a name for that. :D
Quote from: ArMaP on August 03, 2012, 11:24:44 PM
Don't you knowthat, if it's presented as going against mainstream science, it's automatically considered a "truth that is hidden by the PTB". :)
Don't you know that mainstream science gets to say something and just because someone has a PhD on their name they are 'experts'
I just found a site... (making a thread) that I had never heard of before its almost as old as Gobeki Tepi In the first three paragraphs they say "we have no Idea... etc" but then they 'guess' it was a temple. The word temple is used 23 times in those paragraphs :P
Mainstream also tends to stuff things in a box if it messes up their pet theory. Baghdad batteries is a prime example... stuffed awy in a basement forgotten...
Oddly enough those are now "looted' as well :D
i had a conversation with an egyptologist, regarding the osirieon at abydos, egypt. she insisted that Seti I had created it because that's what they teach in university archaeology classes and related mainstream egyptology texts. i proved to her that that was incorrect. she was gracious enough to admit it, too.
i have a real doozy of a theory, i'm pondering making thread on, entitled DID CLEOPATRA FAKE HER OWN DEATH?
i think she did.
I saw a show at least 20 years ago and they filmed a location where hundreds of coils and spirals had been found in some extremely remote place in Russia or Siberia. Some of the wire in the coils was 1/4 of an inch in diameter, there were many sizes. I can't find any mention of this on the web, does anybody else remember this? What will we really know when the only source of information we have is the digital media? Then it will be very easy to change or delete information that somebody does not want you to know about. I wish I could find a copy of that video.
Michael Cremo's book FORBIDDEN ARCHEOLOGY has some interesting artifacts too. Speaking of the Antikythera Mechanism, they did take some very good xrays of it. This device was constructed around 80 BC. Finely crafted metal gears, combined to create a sophisticated celestial computer. Not the state of the art that we were taught existed in that time period in school. I wonder what else that they had, what else did they create thousands of years ago that is still in existence today, but hidden?
http://www.xtekxray.com/applications/antikythera_images.html
(http://www.xtekxray.com/applications/ims/fragment_a_ct_slice1_367_x_440.jpg)
(http://www.xtekxray.com/applications/ims/fragment_a_ct_slice2_367_x_440.jpg)
(http://www.xtekxray.com/applications/ims/fragment_d_ct_slice_354_x_453.jpg)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/AS16_116_18603/Gears001c.png)
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(http://www.xtekxray.com/applications/ims/cts_&_geometry_375_x_662.jpg)
OK, the next to last one was found somewhere else! lol :o :o :o
Here ya go. This seems credible...and it's recent news.
Research that could set humanity back 20,000 years: Ornaments and tools show that Modern Man emerged 44,000 years ago (much earlier than we thought)
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2181138/Research-set-humanity-20-000-years-Ornaments-tools-Modern-Man-emerged-44-000-years-ago-earlier-thought.html#ixzz22XroU1TM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/30/article-2181138-144B6147000005DC-986_634x420.jpg)
Human behaviour, as we know it, emerged 44,000 years ago - much earlier than previously thought, according to a new study.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/30/article-2181138-144B6153000005DC-172_634x361.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/30/article-2181138-144B6135000005DC-859_634x618.jpg)
Doctor Lucinda Backwell, senior researcher in in South Africa, said: 'The dating and analysis of archaeological material discovered at Border Cave in South Africa has allowed us to demonstrate that many elements of material culture that characterise the lifestyle of San hunter-gatherers were part of the culture and technology of the inhabitants of this site 44,000 years ago.'
Quote from: COSMO on August 04, 2012, 02:16:46 AM
I saw a show at least 20 years ago and they filmed a location where hundreds of coils and spirals had been found in some extremely remote place in Russia or Siberia.
That reminds me of the way Sarcha Fall works; he/she/it takes two or three real stories and makes a new one, with several incredible new details, so when people look for sources they find the sources for the original stories.
Maybe someone did the same in this case, they knew about that discovery and decided to add some details to make it more interesting. :)
QuoteNot the state of the art that we were taught existed in that time period in school.
Then I guess your school was not that good. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on August 04, 2012, 10:14:22 PM
That reminds me of the way Sarcha Fall works; he/she/it takes two or three real stories and makes a new one, with several incredible new details, so when people look for sources they find the sources for the original stories.
Maybe someone did the same in this case, they knew about that discovery and decided to add some details to make it more interesting. :)
Then I guess your school was not that good. :)
I'm not familiar with Sarcha Fall.
As for my school, there was no mention of anything like Antikythera Mechanism. Did they teach about that in your school? If so, I may have went to school a few years before you did.
Quote from: COSMO on August 04, 2012, 10:19:56 PM
I'm not familiar with Sarcha Fall.
Neither am I, as I misspelled the name. ;D
The name is Sorcha Faal.
QuoteDid they teach about that in your school? If so, I may have went to school a few years before you did.
They didn't teach specifically about it, but what they taught showed that both Greek and Roman civilizations of the time had the technology to make such a precise and complex mechanism.
The most difficult part of the Antikythera mechanism is not the metal gears, it's the math behind it, as even before the invention of metal gears, the Greek inventors used wood cylinders of different diameters with ropes around them.
Quote from: ArMaP on August 05, 2012, 12:42:06 AM
Neither am I, as I misspelled the name. ;D
The name is Sorcha Faal.
They didn't teach specifically about it, but what they taught showed that both Greek and Roman civilizations of the time had the technology to make such a precise and complex mechanism.
The most difficult part of the Antikythera mechanism is not the metal gears, it's the math behind it, as even before the invention of metal gears, the Greek inventors used wood cylinders of different diameters with ropes around them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism
The Antikythera mechanism (play /?ænt?k?????r?/ ANT-i-ki-THEER-? or /?ænt??k???r?/ ANT-i-KITH-?-r?) is an ancient analog computer[1][2] designed to calculate astronomical positions. It was recovered in 1900–1901 from the Antikythera wreck,[3] but its significance and complexity were not understood until a century later. Jacques-Yves Cousteau visited the wreck in 1978,[4] but found no additional remains of the Antikythera mechanism. The construction has been dated to the early 1st century BC. Technological artifacts approaching its complexity and workmanship did not appear again until the 14th century A.D., when mechanical astronomical clocks began to be built in Western Europe.[5]
http://www.antikythera-mechanism.gr/project/overview
For decades, scientific investigation failed to yield much light and relied more on imagination than the facts. However research over the last half century has begun to reveal its secrets. The machine dates from around the end of the 2nd century B.C. and is the most sophisticated mechanism known from the ancient world. Nothing as complex is known for the next thousand years. The Antikythera Mechanism is now understood to be dedicated to astronomical phenomena and operates as a complex mechanical "computer" which tracks the cycles of the Solar System.
It appears they were "a little ahead of their time". Apparently 1000 years or more. Maybe in time more artifacts of that time period that match the complexity will be discovered.
Upcoming show on Coast to Coast about Hidden Archeology and the Nephilim:
Hidden Archeology & Nephilim
Date: 08-07-12
Host: George Noory
Guests: Aaron Judkins
Biblical archeologist Aaron Judkins will discuss his work on the human fossil footprint phenomenon, as well as address his recent work connecting UFO occurrences with the Nephilim, and a coming great deception.
Looks interesting!
Quote from: COSMO on August 05, 2012, 07:37:10 AM
It appears they were "a little ahead of their time". Apparently 1000 years or more.
By that way of thinking, Hero of Alexandria was 1900 years ahead of his time, as he made (or at least designed) the first steam engine. :)