Warning: In order for me to express this viewpoint, it will be necessary for me to speak plainly. I will try to be entirely tactful.
It seems that UFO sightings have greatly increased across the past few years, while polls tell us that more people believe in extraterrestrial life and there is great enthusiasm for 2012 (however credible that might or might not be).
Why should full disclosure be near? What would the reason be? Why would ET's favor exposure soon?
It doesn't have to be forced by any economic or political crisis. A little 'inspiration' here and there would deal with such problems and if we need free energy, that can be given to the human race discreetly, without direct connection to Alien intervention.
So, what does the human race need from Aliens that we can't provide ourselves?
Answer: a radical change in religious culture
Whatever your opinion of 9/11 might be, the whole affair suggests that the human race may be doomed because more and more potentially destructive technology is getting into the hands of dangerous religious people. I assert that both Islam and Zionism are powerful forces working against world peace generally.
It might be argued that economic progress is working to defuse this problem by increasing secularism but this process might be too slow to prevent disaster from warring religious cultures triggering WW3. Nazi Germany was highly advanced technologically but this did not prevent mass murder based on a history of religious hatred. One could argue in a similar fashion with regard to Israel and the Palestinian issue. The negative religious culture seems impossible to uproot - on either side.
I suspect that Full Disclosure may be needed to bring about an end to revealed religion and empower humanity towards a more spiritual future. I have no trouble with the idea that these faiths were created by a superior intelligence to push humans away from barbarism. It's just that they seem to have become an impediment, just as surely as diapers and training wheels would if they were retained after maturity is achieved.
It's a risky proposition to completely expose the UFO reality but not as risky as when the original Brookings report was written. Times have changed, with the tolerant diversity of 'Startrek' feeding us with new memes.
There certainly has been a lot more sightings that are close and eye contact maintained for long periods.
I, myself, think there are beings of high spirituality, meaning white hats I suppose who are making themselves known in no uncertain terms in case any shenigans like big false flags or other 9/11 tragedies are being planned to go down this year.
The baddies ofcourse we know are here but their not allowed to intervene in a bad way on a worldwide scale because they know if they try it there will be huge consequences and not from us.
QuoteIt might be argued that economic progress is working to defuse this problem by increasing secularism but this process might be too slow to prevent disaster from warring religious cultures triggering WW3. Nazi Germany was highly advanced technologically but this did not prevent mass murder based on a history of religious hatred.
a} The Holocaust did not happen because of religious hatred. The Jews were not the only people killed in it. Roma, homosexuals, and autistic children were as well. The basis of the Holocaust, in terms of professed ideology, was eugenic. Hitler thought that the Aryan/white Germanic ethnic group were the "Master Race," and wanted to exterminate others that were viewed as inferior.
In other words, the Holocaust did not have an anti-Semitic or Judeo/Christian basis, despite what contemporary Zionists themselves might like you to believe. You
might be able to claim that there was a vague Hindu ideological basis, (given both the belief in Aryan superiority, and the origin of the swastika) but said basis would be exceedingly weak, and would be based on a gross distortion of Hindu theology. It's also worth pointing out that contemporary Hindu belief in an Aryan conquest of India is not universal, either.
Speaking more generally, fascism and/or other totalitarian regimes, regardless of stated ideology, have an observable life cycle. Said life cycle predictably ends with large scale mass murder, irrespective of the religious, economic, or political ideology professed by the individual(s) responsible. The fascist life cycle does, of course, have a logical set of causative factors, but said factors have nothing whatsoever to do with the claimed ideology of the individuals involved.
b} There is no provable correlation between an individual's professed ideology, and said individual's behaviour, I am afraid.
Christians try and claim that it is impossible for an atheist to engage in altruistic or morally positive behaviour. It has also become fashionable for atheists to make the same statement about Christians. Both premises are incorrect and emotively motivated, and are not supported by observable historical fact.
I believe that disclosure genuinely could be beneficial for both technological and broader social reasons, (primarily having to do with economic organisation, given the information that the Pleiadians, among others, have so far been willing to share) but religion in the context to which you are referring, is not the central issue.
If the appearance of positively/STO polarised extraterrestrials
was to prove beneficial spiritually, it would do so as a result of human exposure to the very strongly positively polarised aetheric/enegetic current ("sphere," in magickal terms) of the extraterrestrials directly, rather than any particular ideas which they might give us.
Energy ultimately motivates behaviour, not ideology. An STO (energetically) polarised atheist is capable of morally beautiful acts, while an STS (entropically) polarised Christian is capable of the worst evil imaginable, and vice versa.
Energetic polarisation -> state -> motivation -> behaviour.
Ideology, whether religious or otherwise, is not present in the above sequence. Ideology is only ever used as
justification for a particular form of behaviour after the fact, regardless of the actual relationship of said ideology, with said behaviour. A Christian who decides to murder people, can then claim justification either from Jesus' violence in the temple, or from Old Testament precedent, after the fact. Likewise, Darwinism could very effectively be used as a justification for atheistic genocide.
Change the energetic state in which an individual is immersed, and you will change the motivation within the individual, which then drives said behaviour.
If we remember the comraderie and bonding the USA experienced with the post 911 feelings we had, whether it be false flag or psyops....we see that disclosure might have a temporary beneficial effect, yet would it fall by the wayside as did the post 911 feeling?
Or, would it snowball into a tool to chop down the current state of affairs in our country, as religion would take a massive hit to its credibility?
Of course we know mainstream religion would say...oh these aliens must believe in god, too, and they would pull out all the stops to make it seem status quo for thei followers, and then the non religious folks would be even more aggresive with their anti religious approach, to the end of it causing a greater rift betwen sides than ever.
In effect, disclosure could cause a greater discourse among men that not if that were the case.
The best scenario would be for the government to lose its grip on society, and for some sort of honest and loving movement to take place, where we all realize nothing is as it seems, and weve all been pretentious in our ideas and beliefs.
Sort of a collective sheepish grin like a kid with their hand in the cookie jar..."oops, look how weve been..time to get our poop together now I guess."
Right now the elites are gathering the material goods and nothing more...they are trying to grasp for more power through possessions and power, without regard for love and cooperation.
And thats what separates the good from the evil...and the chasm is widening fast.
Yet duality is finding less toeholds in our world by the day.
Singularity as a chasm...could it be?
Now thats a paradox.
Le
A wise reply....
Anti-semitism was encouraged by belief in a Master Race but needed a firm bedrock of centuries of religious hatred behind it to place such emphasis on Jews, above other perceived enemies.
I see confirmation in my general viewpoint here in the failure of the war in Afghanistan. The US has lost, whether they admit it or not - and that may tell us that trying to reform such people is impossible in any reasonable timeframe.
And no, I don't buy into any political correctness that apologizes for a culture that shots 14 yr old girls to keep them away from school or rapes young boys (bacha) as a matter of course while growing opium for the world drug trade.
Religion influences behavior which is why we observe suicide bombers in Islam dominantly while Buddhism seems to prefer self immolation, as in Tibet and during the Vietnam war. Religion is, too often, the key ingredient to get people to commit horrors they otherwise might ignore - which is how jihadists get dreams in which their blown up comrades tell them to commit themselves to 'action' and join them in Paradise. It's great, wish you were here.....
I come from a fanatical religious background myself and saying that it doesn't influence behavior seems beyond all belief. This Meme/Archon/ Mind Virus needs to go into the trash heap of history. It had a purpose once but no longer.
How can religion be ignored as a cause of war in the Middle East? Politics is not enough to explain it and if disclosure gets everyone to focus on a cosmos that doesn't tell them that 'God is on your side', so be it.
Quote from: Eighthman on October 15, 2012, 05:45:30 PM
How can religion be ignored as a cause of war in the Middle East?
Because psychopathy and religious adherence exist independently of each other. You can have atheistic psychopaths to exactly the same degree that you can have theistic ones.
Yes you can, hypothetically........but you don't. It's crazed Zionists vs even more crazed Islamists. Currently, the most atheistic culture by poll seems to be China and they are more interested in cash flow than blood flow.
Some reading material for you.
Grant Cameron: Why is the Government Covering Up the Truth? (http://presidentialufo.com/articles-a-papers/190-why-is-the-government-covering-up-the-truth)
65 reasons why the government will probably not disclose. So you either know aliens exist or not or you admit you don't and try to find out.
They came many, many years ago, and we still aint rid of them. :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-XI9I9spkg
Soul haxxors they are.
Dislosure is mainstream... people dont want to buy into it though ;)
Quote from: Eighthman on October 15, 2012, 06:30:31 PM
Yes you can, hypothetically........but you don't. It's crazed Zionists vs even more crazed Islamists. Currently, the most atheistic culture by poll seems to be China and they are more interested in cash flow than blood flow.
Ask the Tibetans whether or not the Chinese government ever murders people.
more interested in cash flow still applies. They have a claim to it as their own territory, as much as I sympathize with Tibet.
Quote from: Eighthman on October 15, 2012, 08:24:23 PM
more interested in cash flow still applies. They have a claim to it as their own territory, as much as I sympathize with Tibet.
Fitting huh when thinking of Tibetans ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh3lv3ANlCA
Quote from: petrus4 on October 15, 2012, 07:05:08 PM
Ask the Tibetans whether or not the Chinese government ever murders people.
Better ask Aussies first there trooper ;)
Quote from: Eighthman on October 15, 2012, 06:30:31 PM
Yes you can, hypothetically........but you don't. It's crazed Zionists vs even more crazed Islamists. Currently, the most atheistic culture by poll seems to be China and they are more interested in cash flow than blood flow.
I say the whole of the "Zionists vs. Islamists" is manufactured.
Quote from: Amaterasu on October 15, 2012, 10:04:12 PM
I say the whole of the "Zionists vs. Islamists" is manufactured.
Eighth has an emotionally based vendetta, I've come to realise; and if there is one thing I've observed about emotionally based vendettas, it is that they never let an insignificant thing like logic stand in their way. The problem with atheists, is that although this isn't always the case of course, they
can have a greater tendency towards irrationality than other people in some cases; and this is because they presuppose that rationality in their thinking is a given, simply because they
are an atheist.
We're not dealing with someone, here, who is objective; or who apparently has any interest in being such. That in and of itself is fine; there are several topics about which my own perspective is almost purely emotionally based, and about which I can't claim to be remotely balanced, so I am certainly not going to criticise Eighth for that here. If he was willing to consciously admit that, however, it would be appreciated.
Then again, he is right to an extent, as far as Jews vs. Muslims being the major conflict with the potential for becoming or starting a world war at the moment; well, assuming that you believe WW3 is going to happen, of course. Still, the Jews vs the Arabs isn't the only issue that people have fought over. There have been others, and if it was resolved now, there probably would be again. So his point is still largely moot.
I suspect your reply is directed to a mirror.
I am not an atheist. (Pantheist). I am widely known in my personal life for being unemotional, almost Spock-like. There is some evidence of Aspergers in my youth.
As to emotionalism, let all read here and freely judge the matter. As to contrived disputes, I am uncertain as to how much is human and how much is beyond our present control.
and frankly, on this and other sites where I post, I continue to be amazed at the sort of visceral reaction to deeper discussion of how UFO's interface with our world. It does almost suggest something supernatural and , as such, might be used to argue against my hopes of Disclosure - as the human race is still not ready and perhaps, never will be.
Speak for yourself Eighthman, some of the human race is very ready for disclosure.
Even if they are small weird, telepathic, non-believers who smear pureed cowbum on their skin for dinner, and smell funny, I'm still up for it!
Admittedly it helped having seen all the public information materials, (star wars, start trek, starship troopers, stargate, galaxy quest, just to name a few) and it's good to know that if the aliens "cut up rough", that we (or a variant of the US airforce) will prevail, so I have no fear of disclosure or contact. Bring it ON!!
(To be fair, I'm not actually hoping for the fight, and in the light of my country's experiences of immigration of aliens, I'd rather go and see them over in their habitats so PLEASE can someone either invent, or find me a UFO drive system , large enough to drive my proposed shipping container based spacecraft? (just in case I fail in my own efforts, not likely, but I'd like some "insurance" :c)
I wonder how the aliens will take to motorcycling? Probably manage them little honda "monkey bikes" OK after a bit of practice...
If I ever have contact with aliens, (unless it turns out to be as boring as the reported immobilisation and anal probing) I think I will enjoy it, hugely.
FB!
Hehehe, the UK has become a melting pot filled with lots of curry and other fine flavors, eh Fruitbat?
I wonder what treats the aliens from space will bring to supplement our diets?
Le
Quote from: Eighthman on October 16, 2012, 01:17:59 PM
It does almost suggest something supernatural and , as such, might be used to argue against my hopes of Disclosure - as the human race is still not ready and perhaps, never will be.
Now you're talking my language.
Forget everyone being told by the government ET is real for the time being. For a start, deep within intelligence and several secret societies it is known that the UFO phenomenon and that of "ET" contact there is a reality that demands we completely re-evaluate the human take on consciousness and the universe in general.
How can the government just explain that and lying to us. How often does "the government" come out and say, "Yep this scary thing is real. We are completely powerless against parts of it, it can potentially harm us and our own origins are tied to it?" Does the government admit complete powerlessness. Not that I know of. Look at history.
IT DOES NOT HAPPEN. EVER!Yes, there are examples of nuts and bolt type UFO sightings. Many are just deep black projects. Some might be ET too. However, a lot of the UFO and alien experience is tied up with high strangeness and consciousness. Look at my avatar and you see my open hint. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP10HPJkJ4Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9pR0gfil_0
Quote from: Littleenki on October 16, 2012, 02:17:18 PM
Hehehe, the UK has become a melting pot filled with lots of curry and other fine flavors, eh Fruitbat?
Exactly the point, LE. I am aware of the fact that I ultimately made a fool of myself in this thread, and I will admit that. My motivation, however, is that I am tired of seeing negative generalisations being made about entire groups of people; and more specifically, whenever said negative generalisation is made, the speaker always insists that they would never be capable of such behaviour, themselves. It's always someone else...*those* people, over there, who are the guilty party. Never us ourselves.
In life, one may get to a point at which things are so screwed up, you just long for something dramatic and wonderful to happen - to save your butt. This used to be "Armageddon", now it seems to be "Disclosure", for many people.
Yes, "I wanna believe"!... but realize that a case can be made for Disclosure coming long after we're gone. As to Islam and its threats, I see that Turkey, Malaysia and Indonesia are doing wonderful things to integrate with the rest of the world while retaining a religious identity that they value. I can also see that Israel might make an eventual transition such as South Africa did.
So, I can see a lot of negatives about 'Disclosure Soon" but I keep looking for facts that trend otherwise, in hope......
I'd like to meet Semjase, too. I'll bet she's really hot........
Oh, as to governments capitulating in surprizing ways, I would consider the example of how South Africa gave in to black majority rule.
The fact that they did still amazes me to this day, especially after the transition in nearby Zimbabwe was such a disaster - and post colonial governments throughout Africa are often little more than kleptocracies. The relatively peaceful collapse of the Soviet empire comes to mind as well. How did that happen without some commisar grabbing a few nukes and going rogue?
Maybe somebody 'up there' likes us, afterall.
Quote from: Fruitbat on October 16, 2012, 02:07:20 PM
Speak for yourself Eighthman, some of the human race is very ready for disclosure.
Hear, hear!