http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/113781/Man_builds_a_machine_that_seems_to_go_on_forever/
We've got another potential free energy device, here. This one is from an artist in Germany. It's an interesting design, but I suspect it probably has the lowest surplus output, of any such claimed device that I've seen. I think we'd need to create a very large number of these devices, before we started seeing truly meaningful power from them.
Still worth a look, though.
I know this, he's an artist with no formal scientific backround, yet his machine works.
It runs for months at a time & only gets stopped for maintenance & cleaning etc.
He is using a subtle mechanism of pendulums, balance & magnets.
He knoews that a system that is permanently out-of-balance will permanently turn, since nature is trying to restore that balance, & supplies energy to do it.
In itself, it won't generate enough energy to do useful work, BUT it does prove the concept of 'perpetual motion'.
Most people think perpetual motion does not exist, but forget that the humble electron is always in motion, even at absolute zero temperature.
There's not much we can do with this, but it's useful for people to see an example of 'overunity' in action. It will set them thinking, & who knows? one of those will see a way to use this imbalance more effectively.
Good post!
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on October 19, 2012, 10:24:55 AM
In itself, it won't generate enough energy to do useful work, BUT it does prove the concept of 'perpetual motion'.
I would be interested in seeing a multiple node setup, with this apparatus.
By that, what I mean is, that we build a number (probably 12-16, for the initial attempt if possible) of copies of the initial machine, and run them in parallel. I am not an electrical engineer, but I would then want to try and connect them together in such a way that the combined surplus, although minute on an individual or per-node basis, may be of sufficient quantity that it could be useful.
Do you know enough about the principle involved, that you would also know how to (even approximately) replicate the device?
QuoteMost people think perpetual motion does not exist, but forget that the humble electron is always in motion, even at absolute zero temperature.
I have always assumed that the orbit of the planets, represented a macroscopic demonstration of perpetual motion.
NOW. Even I would pay a subscription fee if the site owner wanted the money to commision one of these...
This exactly what I want to see behind glass in a mall on a saturday, with a £50 prize being offered to a member of the public who can explain how it works....
So there's the cost of the machine, and the rental of the shop window, and food for the guys who give of their time to raise consciousness... there is no better advert for our cause an method of breaking teh conditining than to do public dems...
FB!
QuoteMagnetic energy harvesting is to utilize magnetic field power to generate electric power. Electromagnetic energy harvesting is already in research and development, and researchers now finding new opportunities to harvest magnetic power from a permanent magnet. It is possible to Harvest magnetic energy using extensional vibration of laminated magnetoelectric plates, piezoelectric and piezomagnetic transducer materials.
NASA scientists are also working on magnetic energy harvesting. Magnetically forced extensional vibrations of laminated plates with piezoelectric and piezomagnetic layers are analyzed theoretically. It is shown that such a structure can be used to harvest magnetic energy and convert it to electric energy. The output electric power and the magnetic energy conversion efficiency are reasonably good in this experiment.
http://electronicsbus.com/magnetic-power-magnetic-energy-harvesting-magnetoelectricity/
There is a lot more out there. The simplest way to harvest magnetic energy is to have an array of piezomagnetic material (which vibrates when the magnetic field changes like it does constantly) in close proximity to piezoelectric material. When the Piezomagnetic vibrates it vibrates the piezoelectric material which then produces electrical energy.
FREE ENERGY. Proven to work. Very simple.
This paper explains the technology.
QuotePiezoelectric and piezomagnetic materials are common transducer materials. They used to be used separately. Recently, various composites and laminates of piezoelectric and piezomagnetic materials have been developed. *snip* Potentially these new materials and structures can be used for magnetic field sensors, current sensors, energy harvesters, transformers, and ME filters, as well as phase shifters.
*snip*
It is shown (in the work covered by the article) that such a structure can be used to harvest magnetic energy and convert it to electric energy.
SOURCE: Full paper here. APPLIED PHYSICS LETTERS 95, 013511 (2009) (http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1065&context=engineeringmechanicsfacpub)
So we already have technologies that can harvest magnetism. Imagine the possibilities if we could run arrays of these to power everyday devices. No plug required
QuoteThis exactly what I want to see behind glass in a mall on a saturday, with a £50 prize being offered to a member of the public who can explain how it works....
LOLLOLOL me too... ::)
It works by delicately balancing gravity against magnetism.
You have a pendulum, delicately balanced on a gymbal that allows it to move both laterally & horizontally.
In working, it describes more of a circle.
The ball rolls to the lower edge of he rim, this would be opposite the pendulum, at the point where the pendulum starts to swing back, the ball approaches a magnet.
This pulls the ball forward (uphill, if you like) and a clever lever mounted between the tracks pulls the magnet UP out of reach, so the ball can pass underneath.
The magnet exerts some force on the ball once it has passed, but by now the pendulum has moved, tilting the rim, so the ball rolls 'downhill' again, gathering momentum.
The timing, balance, weight of ball, strength of magnet are all very precise, or it would stop.
I saw the plans once ;)
(p.s. you owe me 50 bucks :P )
Pim, that's another great tip on technology, i bet it's our old freind Barium Titanate again, maybe with some Hafnium in there?
These materials can, simply put, work in reverse.
Cool!
Still an expensive material, though....
HANG ON!!
That bloody great spring, if it's under tension could probably furnish three months worth of energy for what is in effect a very complicated escapment mechanism....
Let's just hold back that buying decision please.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, exemplifies up what is wrong with the world today...
Sigh. FB!
By the way, the initial energy came from the hand that started the ball rolling.
The energy that overcomes friction & thus powers the machine is indeed being supplied by the magnets. If they are good ones, it may run continuously for 120 years....thereby flagrantly flouting every rule in the physics book.
The magnets are performing WORK, something not allowed for in the 'work equation'
Oops :-[
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on October 19, 2012, 10:48:13 PM
By the way, the initial energy came from the hand that started the ball rolling.
The energy that overcomes friction & thus powers the machine is indeed being supplied by the magnets. If they are good ones, it may run continuously for 120 years....thereby flagrantly flouting every rule in the physics book.
The magnets are performing WORK, something not allowed for in the 'work equation'
Oops :-[
TO be honest the work equation falls flat on it's face if I try and pick up my car. F-MA falls over, because I am deffo exerting some force against the mass, yet there is no acceleration whatsoever.
But as is so often true, I am often caught doing work yet achieving no result...
FB!
Nice find, Petrus! It's good to see the conversation developing towards a possible FE plan!
While we are here...
I found this. It seems to be a variant of the adsitt ramp.
Does any one know how it works?
Looks a bit like a magnet motor to me.... Kids, eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Vo2-Qb3fUYs
Quote from: Fruitbat on October 20, 2012, 01:12:00 AM
While we are here...
I found this. It seems to be a variant of the adsitt ramp.
Does any one know how it works?
Looks a bit like a magnet motor to me.... Kids, eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Vo2-Qb3fUYs
Thats a cool project, built one last year and it worked great!
Also, a friend and I discussed a circular ring of these devices to propel a projectile along at great velocity, and on the skin of the projectile would be inductive pickup coils akin to a magneto in a outboard engine flywheel.
We discussed how the projectile would be shaped like a bullet, and allowed to accelerate fast enough to overcome the drag of the induction generator.
It was a cool idea we had and we drew several plans for it, yet never built one due to the apparent cost involved.
Luke and everyone, do you think this idea has any validity and deserves a bit of further investigation? I have a big box full of those parallelagram magnets still!
And, we talked about how the projectile would be suspended in the track so it didnt have any or minimal drag. Some really nice roller bearings perhaps?
I dont think maglev would work, due to the anomalous fields the lev magnets would have.
Nevertheless, this guy has created a real working prototype and must be rather proud of it to keep it locked in a bank vault! I love it!:D
Whatdya think folks?
Le
Not technical enough to comment on the device...but was wondering what the point of the projectile was... Who Ya thinking of aiming it at? [grin]
LE you are da man!!! YOUV'E DONE THIS??
JUST THINK about the big wheel at the fairground, how if you substituted a magnet for the gondola.
Made sure the next one enters the acclerator as the last one leaves as the wheel turns.
A bike wheel in it's front fork, some biggish magnets cable tied to the carbon fibre or plastic rim , and a bit of curved plastic mudgard with the array of magnets affixed slighty more cleverly than the ones on the wheel, actually...
How could it not work?
FB!
Quote from: Amaterasu on October 20, 2012, 02:00:17 AM
Not technical enough to comment on the device...but was wondering what the point of the projectile was... Who Ya thinking of aiming it at? [grin]
The projectile was more of a sled or device to carry the inductive magnets along to pop the coils in line. It would have magnets at the top and bottom shielded from the propulsion magnets on the sides. The magnets on the projectile would be attached to little wings or sponsons which were a decent distance away that they wouldnt affect the travel of it.
Im wanting to do some drawings, but Im outta town and have no good pads or pencils. When return have a drawing in mind for the spiral lifter and this one too..I love to draw..wish I could afford to build! :o
Oh to be Bill Gates illegitimate stepchild....
I ride a magnet based motor to work every day.
It's called a brushless hub motor and it resides inside the rear wheel, eliminating the need for a motor and chain arrangement as used in older technology.
I bring this up because the way they get this motor to turn is quite clever, and this type of trick may come in useful for other projects I see in progress in these forums.
In short, this method is a carrot and donkey arrangement, constantly moving the magnetic pull carrot ahead of the stator by means of electronic switching.
Here is how they do it -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAY5JInyHXY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyQInXjpGwU
Yep, A51, just like in my computer fan, eh?
Its a tech that is really cool, yet underutilized in my opinion.
My new washer and dryer have these BLDC motors, too, and they spin up like crazy!
Le
Yes Le.
Another unknown benefit of these motors is - they are also actually generators.
Once this motor is spinning, it is also actually producing voltage on it's own.
I have a controller that allows me to choose how I wish to make use of this voltage.
I have it set in the mode so that when I start going downhill and release the throttle, (applying no voltage to the motor) it is now spinning and producing voltage on it's own which I feed back into my battery.
How about we get a paddlewheel like on the old riverboats, attach it to this motor and set it down in a nearby creek or river.
Or how about putting a propeller on there and hoist it up on a pole?
Either way once the motor is spinning it is producing voltage.
A bloke called IMHOTEP on youtube had us building bedini motors using exactly these sorts of priciples and a surplus computer fan brushless motor. You do HV spikes out of it from a 12v input, which they SAY can charge a battery before the energising battery went flat, but I lost interst when I realsied that a pair of new motorcycle batteries would cost more than my entire lifter project, and it would take ages to prove, and no one else seemd to be measuring OU. It might yet work. I don't know. Mine goes around but the neon does not flicker so I think I cocked it up somewhere, although I can't quite see where.
Hope that helps someone take a shortcut to the knowledge that they seek. Good night.
Quote from: Littleenki on October 20, 2012, 03:47:34 AM
My new washer and dryer have these BLDC motors, too, and they spin up like crazy!
Le
You'd want to keep me out of your laundry then, Dave; your washer and dryer would get taken to pieces, in order to extract this thing! ;)
Truthfully though, I don't understand this stuff, unfortunately. I've only seen a single Bedini motor that looked simple enough that I thought I might be able to put it together. I have no background with electricity; I truthfully don't really know what it is at all.
Quote from: A51Watcher on October 20, 2012, 04:08:43 AM
Yes Le.
Another unknown benefit of these motors is - they are also actually generators.
Once this motor is spinning, it is also actually producing voltage on it's own.
I have a controller that allows me to choose how I wish to make use of this voltage.
I have it set in the mode so that when I start going downhill and release the throttle, (applying no voltage to the motor) it is now spinning and producing voltage on it's own which I feed back into my battery.
How about we get a paddlewheel like on the old riverboats, attach it to this motor and set it down in a nearby creek or river.
Or how about putting a propeller on there and hoist it up on a pole?
Either way once the motor is spinning it is producing voltage.
A quick test would be a blow dryer and an old computer fan..thatll tell us the output efficiency versus rpm somewhat close.
a huge fan blade erected on a pole would be the most efficient windmill..no brushes, no wear on the bearings either.
Le
It won't unless you rewire the computer fan motor and cofigure it as a genrator. BUt teh bedini principle is a bit mroe complicated than a staright motor generator combo, alledgedly.
You've got the magnets already, Dave, can I comission you to build that ramp again, and add a wheel? It'll take days for me to even get the magnets, and we need to know asap! Having made teh linear one you are really well poised to make the rotary one. IF ANYTHING holds you up or you get a metrials / money shortage just PM me and I will help you solve your problem. I'd be doing that one myself if I had the magnets.. (I've tried to just focus my practical time on the lifter side, which is why I haven't done this yet).
FB.
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on October 19, 2012, 10:39:49 PM
Pim, that's another great tip on technology, i bet it's our old freind Barium Titanate again, maybe with some Hafnium in there?
These materials can, simply put, work in reverse.
Cool!
Still an expensive material, though....
I have been meaning to look into possible cheap piezomagnetic and piezoelectric materials but haven't got around to it...... In fact I will start a thread later and try to tap into the members knowledge so thanks for the reminder.
Hi all ;)
QuoteLuke and everyone, do you think this idea has any validity and deserves a bit of further investigation? I have a big box full of those parallelagram magnets still!
Yes it does appear to work, this was Howard Johnson's setup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndRrCZiM1CU
And a rotary version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLek_3Hpwus
I've seen them working without the lever system as well!
Petrus:
QuoteTruthfully though, I don't understand this stuff, unfortunately. I've only seen a single Bedini motor that looked simple enough that I thought I might be able to put it together. I have no background with electricity; I truthfully don't really know what it is at all.
That doesn't matter, the important thing is you saw the potential in it & brought it here :)
OK so i've seen it before, many haven't.
I'm designing firing coils now because my Perendev has a mega sticky spot. I know it's in the geometry of the magnets, i will need to shape them, change the angle etc....
So i thought, what the hell, i can just use less outer magnets, & some coils on a short piece of iron attached to them. The coils will fire at the 'sticky spot' & temporarily cancel the field of the 'sticking' magnet.
This (apparently) uses less energy than replacing a magnet with a coil, as used in modern BLDC motors.
Yep, they make great gennys, also stepper motors, they have more poles & tend to buzz loudly when spinning. If it's up on a 30 foot pole you may not even hear it LOL
Since i've got 60-odd neo's laying around (2 are still AWOL) i can have a go at this.
Especially since i've got my tiny lathe/mill set up, & i turned up some nylon wheels for the 'spinning disc' experiment, but they are better suited to this....
Tip for inventors; Many models use MDF instead of nylon, that's because you have to go really slow with nylon or it melts on the cutting tip, also it shrinks way under size, which you have to calculate for :(
I'm on a roll like one of those magnets, picking up momentum :)
Pim, we did start on materials, BaTi discs etc in the 'gravity workshop' & 'inventors/TTBrown' If you have anything to add, it would of course be more than welcome.
Haven't been on my own forum lately, it's probably getting a bit messy by now ::)
Lucas, check this vid out and give us your thoughts, please.
http://youtu.be/gvO9XMBZ4DI
seeker
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on October 20, 2012, 07:55:35 PM
Pim, we did start on materials, BaTi discs etc in the 'gravity workshop' & 'inventors/TTBrown' If you have anything to add, it would of course be more than welcome.
Haven't been on my own forum lately, it's probably getting a bit messy by now ::)
I must have missed it. Do you have a link?