Hey,
This is my first non-introductory post and I'd like to use it to relay the most valid experience I've ever had, that has changed the way I view the universe and led me on the path - that lead me here.
I have posted this on other forums - So apologies if you have read this before. I also hope its okay to post personal sightings in this forum... ?
It was the summer of 2010, when at around 11am I was leaning out my bedroom window, having a cigarette, enjoying the clear blue sky, the Sun and the wildlife.
There was nothing in the sky, not even a cloud - and the air was silent save for the birds flying between the gardens.
My cat brushed up against my ankle, so I turned from my window to fuss her head.
All of 6 seconds later, I turned back to hang back out the window - When slap bang in front of me was a black flying saucer!
Just "sitting" above my neighbors garden - In my line of sight.
It was more like looking at a pound coin horizontally but with a slightly rounded top. 6-8ft in width maybe? 2-3ft in depth.
My mind drew a blank for what seemed an age. Then I thought it *must* be a "photo" (?!), so I bobbed my head up and down and the surroundings moved - It was perfectly still.
I remember cocking my head to one side and thinking WTF?! :o
I even ran through a check list - No engines, blades, or wings, it was completely silent..
Then it cocked to one side, and slowly reversed (?!) backwards - and did so until it was a speck in the distance around 3-4 minutes later.
I walked around baffled all that day - but soon shrugged it off, and put it to the back of my mind.
It was in the summer of 2011 I could no longer ignore the UFO subject - As I caught a silver orb observing me/my house on two occasions - and even snapped the second one on camera.
Since those sightings I've also witnessed many, many more - and I'm not alone in testimony as UFO fever hit my Town at around the same time. Although admittedly nearly all others have been at night.
I know what I saw - and so in my mind there is no possible way of denying UFO's are under intelligent control.
Debating the accuracy of that statement bores me, and I would much rather be investigating who's intelligent control they are under.
Greetings:
Welcome to PRC.
QuoteIt was in the summer of 2011 I could no longer ignore the UFO subject - As I caught a silver orb observing me/my house on two occasions - and even snapped the second one on camera.
Interesting lead, if you are not merely trolling.
If you can, of course, produce said picture you so blatantly alluded to and did not post... :P
(http://www.echoesofenoch.com/clipart_scifi_spaceships_005.gif)
Peace Love Light
tfw (http://serve.mysmiley.net/animals/animal0028.gif) (//http://)
Liberty & Equality or Revolution(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w400/thorfourwinds/Early%20July%202012/Homeland-Poster-----41442.jpg)
Hey Sinny! Very interesting account of a real experience in your life. You just "know that you know" what you saw. There is really no reason for you to even debate the facts of what you saw. While I have had no such experience, there are many reports by others who did have similar and/or different experiences, related to direct witness of UFO operations.
Many here will appreciate your sharing this with us. We do all need to be more watchful in our surroundings, always being on the "ready", to observe whatever may be within range of our own eyesight!!
Again, good story!!
Aha no, I'm not trolling - I'm quite fond of recounting my story with that accurate lead.
Sure - I just need to figure how to add a pik first - Its more than likely painfully obvious lol.
I hope your not expecting anything spectacular, however, the reality of the picture is quite the anti-climax.
ETA: I give up - I'll need instructions :P Bout to catch some shut eye over here - I'll report back tomorrow, thanks for the responses.
Sinny, as far as I know, the "attachment feature" is still shut down. I don't know whether there is any other way to post your pic. Maybe someone else can instruct you, if there is another way! :P
Quote from: rdunk on November 13, 2012, 01:21:09 AM
Hey Sinny! Very interesting account of a real experience in your life. You just "know that you know" what you saw. There is really no reason for you to even debate the facts of what you saw. While I have had no such experience, there are many reports by others who did have similar and/or different experiences, related to direct witness of UFO operations.
Many here will appreciate your sharing this with us. We do all need to be more watchful in our surroundings, always being on the "ready", to observe whatever may be within range of our own eyesight!!
Again, good story!!
I can fully appreciate folk like your self who have thus far not had an exsperience - I just can't believe the sheer amount I have seen since that initial sighting.
They've come in all varieties also - from specks in the sky, that look like stars but "jump" around, to shape shifting diamonds, and even cigars -
Turns out I was witnessing several day time cigar UFO's, but I actually passed them off as planes throughout 2011 - I just assumed my eye sight was poor.
It got to the stage - everythime I looked up and willed the - universe? - to show me something - I would keep seeing these planes.
Only some of the manouvers sure broke air regulations - like they kept crossing over almost crashing into each other.
About 6 months ago - I grapped binoculars - and realised my eye sight weren't actually terrible - they actually had no wings.
Unfortunately 5 months ago I relocated to somewhere geographically lower, and the view were I live now sucks.
I can't say I've seen any UFOs since I have moved - then again I suppose I haven't really been sky watching either.
90% of my sightings occured during my smoking - as is statistically the case across the board - get smoking and keep your eyes peeled!
I'm sure there is plenty to see :D
P.s all advice on uploading piks welcome.
Greetings:
Hope you didn't take the 'troll' remark too seriously, as we are merely looking out for all.
We are here to assist in the pic department.
Can you email it to me?
thorfourwinds@thelivingmoon.com
Or utilize Photobucket, etc.
Peace Love Light
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Liberty & Equality or Revolution
Okii, just signed up to Photobucket.
This image was captured by me on my friends LG mobile. I'm afraid you'll have to ignore my black lines - My mom's blind as a bat and I was trying to make them stand out for her.
There are three items that draw your attention in this picture, the one towards the top is a Jet, the one on the far right is a giant translucent orb that was being followed by the several jets, and lastly the orb on the left, is the same silver orb that was hovering above my house a week prior. I caught the silver orb on the left by complete accident - As my interest was in the UFO/Jet chase.
(http://i1296.photobucket.com/albums/ag4/Sinny91/specialufo.jpg)
Here's the translucent orb on the right with enhanced contrast.
(http://i1296.photobucket.com/albums/ag4/Sinny91/specialufo2.jpg)
Here's the nifty silver orb that was seemingly "chillin" above my tree.
(http://i1296.photobucket.com/albums/ag4/Sinny91/orb.jpg)
I'm afraid these are the only versions stored on my computer - Originals without edited contrast or black lines (completed in Paint) can be found over at ATS - Although I got the ban hammer - so I cannot fetch them, feel free to find those pictures under the same user name I have here.
In regards to the silver orb - it is completely identical to the one I witnessed "buzzing" out of a cloud over my garden, that then went on to disappear in two bright flashes of light.
I forgot to include my BUFOG report on this sighting... How strange I have no recollection of the B2 Bomber scenario, although I remember the silver orb perfectly. :o
http://reported-sightings.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/2010-21062011-bartley-green-birmingham.html
Thanks for sharing this with us Sinead.
The silver orbs look like craft I observed recently :)
From I Know what I saw by Sinny
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3137.msg44050 - msg44050 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3137.msg44050#msg44050)
First Photo processed on moving ORB right side
This was run twice, balloons to find it then daytime to prepare it.
There appears to be some kind of resistance against the direction of movement. The trail it left was not a single line like a contrail but a scattering of blurs.
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/RuntwiceBallonsthenDaytimeRightmovingOrb.jpg)
The second photo is of the selective refection areas on the left ORB. Processed with balloons after taking the sky down to black. The third process is a second pass on the above with Night Time.
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/LeftOrbPatternsBal.jpg)
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/LeftOrbPatternsBalRunTwiceNT.jpg)
The fourth process is of the original left ORB processed with Night time.
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/LeftORBRunNT.jpg)
The fifth photo is of the original photo in Daytime to show the suns rays.
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/specialufoSinnyDaytime.jpg)
The Orb on the right shows movement but I could find no movement with the one on the left. It seems to be stationary. Maybe it is turning but the photo captured a moment with no vertical or horizontal movement to speak of. I did not do the jet.
Deuem
Thanks for sharing your story Sinny, and "Welcome " too Pegasus !!
I have had many sightings as well, though this was a time before the digital camera and cell phone capabilities. No photos but unforgettable encounters, altered my life as well, and in some ways still are with all the research that I do.
I was wanting to point you in a direction of understanding why there may be direct reasons for Spherical UFO designs, if you can Google/BING "Acoustical Spheres in the Mojave Desert" Select this under 'Image' preference, you will be amazed at what there in lies for 'Our' personal understanding of the 'Whys" spheres would be the most aerodynamic and practical for all acclimated reasons.
Thanks again, great Shots, very clear, by sharing, you are there by assisting my friend. ;)
With Great Respect,
1Worldwathcer
Wow, many thanks Deuem .
That's a nifty little technique you got there 8)
I'd love refer Phage to the process, when I posted these piks to ATS he was only one who bothered to comment, and suggested it was a bird aha.
@WorldWatcher - Thanks for the tip :D.
I'm a bit annoyed actually, I had a heat wave of sightings throughout 2010/11...and absolutely nothing since ???
Unless those strange red/green/blue stars count?...and no, it can't be just Venus, because there's up to three at a time ;)
Thought I'd check in to show you guys what I believe to be the real life version of my spectacularrfart UFO.
Few miles away from my sighting over our beloved Lickey Hills.
And yes, unfortunately I share that god-given accent ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sYKuhab_po
Although I know nothing about the below presented 'cigar' UFO, I do know that I witnessed these silver 'cigar' shaped UFO's during the whole 'Orb' invasion period..curiously I thought nothing of them apart from wondering what two planes where doing crossing each other in such a dangerous fashion :o (they came in two's), until one day I stopped being lazy, grabbed some binoculars and saw that they didn't actually have any wings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv3QNuhsl8M
I'm yet unable to find a likeness of the small black 'flat' 'saucer' that I witnessed, although over on ATS a member local to my location snapped something very similar going past a blimp - I knew he was local because I saw the blimp over our park that day. Maybe one day I'll track that thread.
(ArMap, do your privileges over ATS allow you to list more than 800 posts on ATS for another member?)
However, here's a video of the exact likeness of how it behaved whilst I observed it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fePFEMuTe5c
Quote from: Sinny on January 22, 2014, 08:11:22 PM
(ArMap, do your privileges over ATS allow you to list more than 800 posts on ATS for another member?)
I don't know, but I can try, if you give something to start from. :)
Okay, I think its rather important I try to find the thread that was created on ATS from by a man local to that area, he caught an actual image of the black UFO that I describe in the OP and have drew in Sky's thread 'what I saw'.
Secondly, as an afterthought, it's curious that an Orb would be observing me and my friend whilst we observed a seperate UFO.
Brings Vallee's 'control system' to mind.
I'm currently on crapberry, I will attempt to locate the ATS thread over the weekend, in the mean time, if somebody else would like to attempt the search, I'd maybe google the terms:
Sinny, UFO, Blimp, South Birmingham.
The image was taken over Woodgate Valley Park and shows a blimp and black UFO.
This (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread686936/pg1) thread? :)
Quote from: ArMaP on September 13, 2014, 12:01:04 AM
This (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread686936/pg1) thread? :)
Perfect ArMap :)
I imagined it to be more accurate, the mind plays funny tricks aye aha.
I'm sure I have encountered the User karen else where including on the UK UFO webpage, if it is the same lady from the same area, she also went on to have several more UFO sightings in the next two years following that photo.
We were in touch at one point, and planned on investigating matters together.
I'll have to get to PC and re-open a line of communication..
Just another thought..
The images below are of the large high altitude Airships made by JP AEROSPACE.
The huge V shaped "Ascender" as they call it bears a good deal of resemblance to the flying Triangles being discussed.
I don't know if these things are in active service but its an amazing coincidence that these man made vehicles actually exist.
(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a572/paparumbo/triangleairship1_zps55a8cb12.jpg)
Food for thought.. What?
(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a572/paparumbo/ascenderleft-1_zpsa9cb3805.jpg)
(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a572/paparumbo/triangleairship3_zps42b4c91e.jpg)
http://www.jpaerospace.com/ascender175.html
Elvis
Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on September 13, 2014, 02:02:00 PM
Food for thought.. What?
Those are some of the "stealth blimps" I have been trying to explain to folks might be the silent triangles. There were other shaped ones too but mostly variations on the triangle theme. The technology was supposedly shelved but I doubt it. Silent low powered craft is exactly right for some jobs (including confusing the Belgian Air Force LOL).
Well it just shows what private concerns are doing , and actually advertising on the web.
Imagine a black project variant with a huge payload !
Silent .
Quote from: Pimander on September 13, 2014, 05:38:30 PM
Those are some of the "stealth blimps" I have been trying to explain to folks might be the silent triangles. There were other shaped ones too but mostly variations on the triangle theme. The technology was supposedly shelved but I doubt it. Silent low powered craft is exactly right for some jobs (including confusing the Belgian Air Force LOL).
Pimander, the only issue I have with the one I saw being a blimp is the fact that I watched it do a 90 degree turn to vertical then accelerated up and out of sight in milli-seconds...
just haven't run across too many blimps with that capability, mate... 8)
seeker
Quote from: the seeker on September 13, 2014, 08:50:53 PM
I watched it do a 90 degree turn to vertical then accelerated up and out of sight in milli-seconds...
just haven't run across too many blimps with that capability, mate... 8)
A blimp does not have to be that similar to the traditional ones. Imagine a harder, high tech material as a shell and modern propulsion on an effectively weightless object. I'd say it would be able to do precisely what you observed.
TR3 B was a load of disinfo cover for the real ones IMO.
Quote from: Pimander on September 13, 2014, 09:47:29 PM
A blimp does not have to be that similar to the traditional ones. Imagine a harder, high tech material as a shell and modern propulsion on an effectively weightless object. I'd say it would be able to do precisely what you observed.
TR3 B was a load of disinfo cover for the real ones IMO.
8) Okay, let's say dirigible instead of blimp; i definitely got the impression at the time that what i could perceive as the outer skin was solid, rigid material...
also wondering if instead of being inflated as a blimp if perhaps more on the lines of vacuum cell tech...
but then after reading of the fluxliner I am really having to ponder deeper 8)
seeker
I guess dirigible is more precise. :)
To expand, a lighter or as light as air vehicle if unmanned could change direction very suddenly without breaking the laws of physics or harming the occupants.... (because low mass requires little energy to alter its velocity),
I know, I keep going on about it but it explains so many so called unexplainable facts about some "UFOs" (but certainly not all.
Cigar Shaped UFO's All over the news lately
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDaEMDdiTlM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JnqA6jrLxs
And it doesn't help when the RUSSIANS do THIS
(http://singularityhub.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/locomo-sky-aerostat-balloon.jpg)
Thanks Z. You're a veritable encyclopaeadia. 8)
Take the first video of the hyperblimp. Make it slightly more rigid and trriangular. Make the coating reflective to or more likely absorb visible light so it is hard to see with the naked eye, also non-reflective to radar. What do you have?
I'll answer the question myself. You have a perfect stealth vehicle if you add the right propulsion and energy source. Surely I make sense?
In regards to 'Cigar UFO's'..
I was witnessing these across the same location of the OP throughout 2010-2011. I believe they are decribed on the first page of Holographic Planes & Bluebeam.
They came in two's in opposite directions, and seemed to cross each other in a manner that they 'should' have collided.
I thought they were planes initially, although I could only make out the 'long bodies', and presumed the sun was affecting my view of the wings.
After seeing to many of these 'near collisions', I grabbed the binoculars, only to discover there were no wings.
Would blimps behave in this manner?
What possible reason would any craft have to behave in this manner?
I saw up to 3 near collisions a day at some points during the summer.
sinny I would seriously start following a
direction the objects seem to come from and see what type of facilities lie in that direction/s
you may be surprised what you find..
Quote from: Sinny on September 14, 2014, 11:50:58 AM
They came in two's in opposite directions, and seemed to cross each other in a manner that they 'should' have collided.
Highlighted one word from your post.
It is practically impossible to tell how close together two distant aerial objects are. Just because they appear to intersect does not mean they have made contact.
OK they could be holograms or something. But I can't help feeling that it is easy to explain anything as a hologram - which is completely different to having evidence something is. On the other hand we have very little evidence as to what they are.
Quote from: sky otter on September 14, 2014, 02:04:17 PM
sinny I would seriously start following a
direction the objects seem to come from and see what type of facilities lie in that direction/s
you may be surprised what you find..
Sky, the same has crossed my mind, but I cannot think of anything note worthy in that area. If anyone else would like to investigate, the area in question (where I no longer am) was Bartley Green, Birmingham UK, and the UFO's each came from East and West..
Quote from: Pimander on September 14, 2014, 02:59:02 PM
Highlighted one word from your post.
It is practically impossible to tell how close together two distant aerial objects are. Just because they appear to intersect does not mean they have made contact.
OK they could be holograms or something. But I can't help feeling that it is easy to explain anything as a hologram - which is completely different to having evidence something is. On the other hand we have very little evidence as to what they are.
Pi, your point has been highlighted previously by a few people including Birmingham UFO group. As I say, I shrugged a lot of this off as 'normal'... Until the frequency of the events no longer made them 'normal'...
ok this may sound silly but looking at the birds eye view on the map..
and taking into account you said
What possible reason would any craft have to behave in this manner?
I saw up to 3 near collisions a day at some points during the summer.
could they in fact be a traffic reporting aircraft for a major highway at peak traffic hours?
or a weather service of some type?
sometimes you really do have to eliminate the obvious
To further expand, I believe the only major traffic route near by would be the M5 motorway... I was located about 0.7 miles from that at a guess, and to home in on my location approximately..
Ohhh, never mind, the MIB aren't going to come looking for me, the address was 185 Field Lane, BG. The 'Cigars' were directly above said address, and now you can view the Gardens I drew in your thread Sky aha.
As for weather monitoring - I really couldn't say.
Both summers were clear blue skies, with the Sun out high... I recall a few (what I would NOW deem) chemtrails being layed over head.
It is a possibility the craft in question relate to those.
From experience and observation I know that they lay the trails, and then after 20 minutes they send craft below to presumably monitor what ever it is there purpose is...
But the 'cigar things' were indeed wingless, and not the usual Chem Craft.
ok.. spent a bit of time looking up air ships.. seems there is a huge industry over where you are and they are making big bucks with air ships
now called hybrid-air-vehicles
and imo they have to test them somewhere..why not where you are
sorry but I don't know what locations would be close to you but if you check the first link it had a really good page of descriptions
imo with you seeing so many .. I would say you witnesses them testing the prototypes
check the dates ...very close to yours
http://higherlogicdownload.s3.amazonaws.com/SNAME/3383113f-3070-4ddd-acd4-504418eb35a9/UploadedImages/Files/2009/March%2009_Taylor_Presentation.pdf
http://www.gizmag.com/hybrid-air-vehicles-airship/19746/
http://www.hybridairvehicles.com/history.aspx
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/the-inventor-whos-putting-blimps-back-on-the-radar-2353673.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-12110386
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-26337673
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_airships
found your report here
http://reported-sightings.blogspot.com/2011/06/2010-21062011-bartley-green-birmingham.html
http://www.blimps.co.uk/
Thank you Sky, you've done a really good job with those links and info.
I thought we'd hit the jackpot on the first from last link (above my report), alas, those were 3 cigar shapes melded into 1, where my sighting were of the typical cigar shape alone.
One of those craft from the Wiki page do resemble what I saw, but not quite.
When I grabbed the binoculars, I could not make out any details, or further features on the 'cigars' such as can be seen on the blimp like craft.
It would be my personal opinion that I have either witnessed a genuine 'Cigar' craft, or some similiar blimps.
If I find a blimp that I'm sure fits the bill for what I saw, I'll be the first to tell.
I'll keep my eye's peeled and hopefully witness the same again, but this time with a decerning eye for any blimp like give aways.
:D
sinny there are so many things in this world..
Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.
Arthur Conan Doyle
that is a lovely saying.. but the truth is what exactly.. ;)
I was just trying to remember that quote Sky but your memory is functioning better than my sleep deprived one ;)
I think it might be possible to build a dirigible with today's modern materials to enable it to accelerate into earth orbit and reenter back into the atmosphere to a soft vertical landing. Perhaps attaching a rocket engine to it for thrust into orbit and using some type of inflatable ablative shield for the re-entry part. A very large airship could carry a great deal of payload into space.
I agree except for the rocket part. If you could make the dirigible extremely light using gases - in a manner akin to a submarine - then a rocket might be too powerful.
Some form of low powered propulsion would be capable of powering a virtually weightless object. This obviates the need for rocket fuels.
The dirigible needs to achieve escape velocity to get into orbit. I don't know of any propulsion system other than a rocket that could do this. The dirigible of course is supposed to be lighter than the air it's total volume displaces since it has to lift the payload and it's own weight in order to float. The propulsion only needs to speed up the craft to escape velocity and does not have to carry the weight of the vehicle off the ground like typical rocket launches at start up therefore saving a lot of fuel. It is important that in the beginning of acceleration that the dirigible remain in the atmosphere in order to be able to float off the ground. Balloons don't float in a vacuum as you know...LOL.
With a low mass object you do not need to apply a large force to increase (strictly in physics terms change) velocity. Escape velocity can be achieved with a much lower force than would require a rocket. It simply depends on the mass of the object. Low mass = low force
Quote from: Pimander on September 15, 2014, 10:29:04 PM
With a low mass object you do not need to apply a large force to increase (strictly in physics terms change) velocity. Escape velocity can be achieved with a much lower force than would require a rocket. It simply depends on the mass of the object. Low mass = low force
On the contrary, a large dirigible can have a enormous amount of mass and you also have to factor in the volume of such a dirigible and the aerodynamic resistance such a body needs to overcome.
I'm specifically talking about a low mass dirigible if you read my posts.
Air resistance is not a big issue if you use very light gases to get to the outer reaches of the atmosphere. After that altitude a low mass and lower gravity (the force of which is a function of distance and mass) are of little consequence.
I'm right basically. :P
Quote from: Pimander on September 15, 2014, 10:47:51 PM
I'm specifically talking about a low mass dirigible if you read my posts.
Air resistance is not a big issue if you use very light gases to get to the outer reaches of the atmosphere. After that altitude a low mass and lower gravity (the force of which is a function of distance and mass) are of little consequence.
I'm right basically. :P
I am confused now. Are you talking about gases used INSIDE the dirigible that contributes to buoyancy or the atmosphere outside the dirigible which is just oxygen-nitrogen? How does outside air resistance factor in with the type of gas used in the gas containment cells you find inside most dirigibles? Your "dirigible" seems to operate under some other laws of nature which I don't comprehend..LOL
Quote from: onetruekeeper on September 15, 2014, 11:03:52 PM
I am confused now.
You don't say. ::)
QuoteAre you talking about gases used INSIDE the dirigible that contributes to buoyancy or the atmosphere outside the dirigible which is just oxygen-nitrogen?
Are you trying to waste my time?
The gas inside an AIRSHIP (with something in common with a dirigible for the sake of argument) clearly would contribute to buoyancy.
QuoteHow does outside air resistance factor in with the type of gas used in the gas containment cells you find inside most dirigibles?
I'm not familiar with the precise design details of a secret craft obviously. LOL
QuoteYour "dirigible" seems to operate under some other laws of nature which I don't comprehend..LOL
Well learn some basic physics then because I'm correct unless I've explained something in a previous post in an unintelligible way.
I'm not trying to say I know exactly how an above top secret craft operates. I'm saying based on what I know of technology and science - especially as secret projects are AT LEAST 20 years ahead in terms of novel materials and propulsion- there is no real scientific reason why a craft like I describe does not exist.
Such a craft would explain many so called UFO cases without any need to give credence to the military cover stories about aliens?
I'm also not saying ET or interdimensional aliens do or cannot exist. In fact I think they very likely (almost certain) that intelligences more advanced than Earth humans do exist in abundance. I am saying that most UFO cases are nothing to do with aliens at all. The military use stories about aliens to cover up secret tests, military accidents and more. There have also been psy ops using the alien myth which I have written about elsewhere on this site somewhere.
Clear enough?
Quote from: onetruekeeper on September 15, 2014, 11:03:52 PM
I am confused now. Are you talking about gases used INSIDE the dirigible that contributes to buoyancy or the atmosphere outside the dirigible which is just oxygen-nitrogen? How does outside air resistance factor in with the type of gas used in the gas containment cells you find inside most dirigibles? Your "dirigible" seems to operate under some other laws of nature which I don't comprehend..LOL
OTK, what Pimander is stating is if you use helium or hydrogen to float the dirigible into the upper atmosphere then outside air resistance (drag) shouldn't be a factor ...
thus allowing use of many different types of propulsive units to go zooming off versus starting at the bottom of the gravity well (the surface of the planet)...
seeker
There is nothing really top secret about dirigibles... ::) To get even a small dirigible into orbit you still need a rocket of some type to reach escape velocity assuming we don't have some sort of exotic space drive available.
Also the weight difference of a object at ground level and up in the near edge of space is slight. The air resistance even at high altitudes is still about the same as at sea level. When Chuck Yeager took that Starfighter jet up into the edge of space he lost control of the aircraft because there was very little air for the wings to provide lift and the jet engine conked out due to lack of oxygen. But this was way above the atmospheric envelope, too high even for balloons. What the heck was he thinking...LOL
Quote from: onetruekeeper on September 18, 2014, 02:19:27 AM
But this was way above the atmospheric envelope, too high even for balloons.
More than 50 km?
Quote from: onetruekeeper on September 18, 2014, 02:19:27 AM
There is nothing really top secret about dirigibles... ::)
Nobody has claimed that.
Why are you so rattled by my idea?
QuoteTo get even a small dirigible into orbit you still need a rocket of some type to reach escape velocity assuming we don't have some sort of exotic space drive available.
You don't know what you are talking about.
A rocket moving out of a gravity well does not actually need to attain escape velocity to do so, but could achieve the same result at any speed with a suitable mode of propulsion and sufficient fuel. Escape velocity only applies to ballistic trajectories.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
QuoteAlso the weight difference of a object at ground level and up in the near edge of space is slight. The air resistance even at high altitudes is still about the same as at sea level.
So what? That makes no difference to what I have said at all.
It is possible to create a craft similar to what I have described. I'm also not sure why you are obsessed with going to space either as the craft I described originally was a stealth craft and had nothing to do with space. ::)
Is there some reason why you are so rattled by this discussion? ???
P.S. It is a myth that you have to travel at a particular velocity to reach orbit.
Pimander,
I am neither rattled nor obsessed about anything you have mentioned. But with all due respect I am not convinced that you know enough about what it takes to put a man-made object into orbit around our planet. Perhaps we should get a second opinion from somebody who has experience in the space program with putting spacecraft in orbit. Until then I will say no more because I do not wish to agitate you further. Cheers!
Quote from: ArMaP on September 18, 2014, 09:23:45 AM
More than 50 km?
The jet used some sort of afterburner to make the accent. The jet engine conked out after reaching maximum design elevation where it could not get enough oxygen for air compression or combustion. The aerodynamic surfaces on the aircraft were useless up there because the air is so thin. He went into a unrecoverable spin and had to eject. The altitude was over 100,000 feet. There are some weather balloons that could go much higher but they don't carry much payload and they are extremely huge in size. Here is a YouTube video from The Right Stuff movie showing that event.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Cq7hf4ylvY
Quote from: onetruekeeper on September 18, 2014, 05:43:44 PM
Pimander,
I am neither rattled nor obsessed about anything you have mentioned.
Sorry, I was in a foul mood when I posted. It did seem like something regarding my "speculation" about stealth craft rattled you but I could be wrong.
QuoteBut with all due respect I am not convinced that you know enough about what it takes to put a man-made object into orbit around our planet.
As I said, I was talking about a stealth craft originally, although I'm almost certain that I am right that an object could reach a high altitude and then space without needing rockets.
Obviously whatever velocity an object travels to reach orbit could be classed as its "escape velocity" but I think that is different to what you or a rocket engineer means by the term.
QuotePerhaps we should get a second opinion from somebody who has experience in the space program with putting spacecraft in orbit.
Feel free. However, I'm not talking about trying to put an object in space using rockets so I'm not sure that there is a lot of point discussing rocketry concepts when discussing a lighter or as light as air stealth craft.
QuoteUntil then I will say no more because I do not wish to agitate you further. Cheers!
Don't worry, my posting style comes across as more aggressive than intended sometimes. It is often quite difficult to be direct without sounding rude. That is is one of the drawbacks of typed conversations as a voice and body language are important parts of communication.
My apologies as well. I should have been more clear about what I was trying to express.
When I was posting, the subject of stealth technology never crossed my mind for some reason.
From what I have read in the past, the Russians already have air defense systems that can spot any incoming stealth aircraft . I believe one of our stealth fighters was shot down over Bosnia during the Balkans War by a Russian built surface to air missile battery using such stealth detecting systems.
QuoteFrom what I have read in the past, the Russians already have air defense systems that can spot any incoming stealth aircraft . I believe one of our stealth fighters was shot down over Bosnia during the Balkans War by a Russian built surface to air missile battery using such stealth detecting systems.
Wasn't really that hard...seen a clip somewhere where a guy was explaining that all they had to do was have the radar look for bird sized signatures that are emitting electrical signals.
Quote from: Ellirium113 on September 19, 2014, 11:58:27 PM
Wasn't really that hard...seen a clip somewhere where a guy was explaining that all they had to do was have the radar look for bird sized signatures that are emitting electrical signals.
Lol, that's amusing if it's accurate.
Thread blast from the past! haha.