http://www.wbur.org/npr/165513016/big-news-from-mars-rover-scientists-mum-for-now
Curiosity took scoops of soil and the scientist have an announcement but they are mum for now!
'Grotzinger says they recently put a soil sample in SAM, and the analysis shows something earthshaking. "This data is gonna be one for the history books. It's looking really good," he says.'
'So why doesn't Grotzinger want to share his exciting news? The main reason is caution. Grotzinger and his team were almost stung once before. When SAM analyzed an air sample, it looked like there was methane in it, and at least here on Earth, some methane comes from living organisms.
But Grotzinger says they held up announcing the finding because they wanted to be sure they were measuring Martian air, and not air brought along from the rover's launchpad at Cape Canaveral.
"We knew from the very beginning that we had this risk of having brought air from Florida. And we needed to diminish it and then make the measurement again," he says. And when they made the measurement again, the signs of methane disappeared.'
Only time will tell, but in IMO, if Rover Curiosity is actually on Mars, we should be expecting many "findings" to be "announced" for the duration of the Rover's "search". This location was "picked for reason", and that "reason" should be revealed in the "findings" to come.
As I have said before, it will be interesting to see what the real reasons are, for having sent a rover to Gale Crater.
There have been a multitude (a LOT) of Mars Orbiter images taken of this crater and crater area, with the various different cameras. NASA should already have a pretty good idea for what this crater hholds for Curiosity to "find"!!
Quote from: spacemaverick on November 20, 2012, 07:53:46 PM
http://www.wbur.org/npr/165513016/big-news-from-mars-rover-scientists-mum-for-now
Curiosity took scoops of soil and the scientist have an announcement but they are mum for now!
I am getting so sick and tired of NASA bozos and their stupid announcement that they will make an announcement and then it turns out to be nothing.
Fire the whole dang lot of them It's a travesty >:(
If ya got something then spit it out, if not shut the fvck up until you do.
Never A Straight Answer is getting really old
Quote from: zorgon on November 20, 2012, 10:01:53 PM
I am getting so sick and tired of NASA bozos and their stupid announcement that they will make an announcement and then it turns out to be nothing.
Fire the whole dang lot of them It's a travesty >:(
If ya got something then spit it out, if not shut the fvck up until you do.
Never A Straight Answer is getting really old
It is frustrating isnt zorg, I suppose we shouldnt expect anything less, a big shock if they do get in front of cameras and come out with a big something.
Quote from: biggles on November 20, 2012, 10:22:26 PM
a big shock if they do get in front of cameras and come out with a big something.
yeah heart attack material :P
Quote from: spacemaverick on November 20, 2012, 07:53:46 PM
But Grotzinger says they held up announcing the finding because they wanted to be sure they were measuring Martian air, and not air brought along from the rover's launchpad at Cape Canaveral.
Florida air staying trapped all the way to Mars in the vacuum of space, yet it escapes and gets into the sensors on Mars... and besides they already found Methane last time I have the paper :D
And yeah be sure first like the Arsenic based life form they thought they found in Mono Lake that was an error :P
I think the NASA, is the American version of the English show "The Muppets"... :D
The Muppet show had "Pigs in Space".
Enjoy... ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHsr7Chmff8
And now the end of the Universe and the meaning of life !
Enjoy... ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYjbkRktqIE
The NASA Show, has "Monkeys in Space". :D
Hey don't throw those Rotten eggs and tomatoes at me, I'm just the stage manager... :D
Back again...
Enjoy... ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N_tupPBtWQ
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on November 21, 2012, 02:56:42 AM
The Muppet show had "Pigs in Space".
No NASA has Rubber Chickens instead of Muppets :o
NASA's Rubber Space Chicken (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3178.msg44559#msg44559)
And check out THIS one...
Mystery Spheres on Mars (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3177.msg44555#msg44555)
Anyone who tries to tell me "It's only rocks" better hide from the Exterminator :P
guess what?!!! WE HAVE A SUPER STUPENDOUS DISCOVERY TO ANNOUNCE IN ONE MONTH!! STAY TUNED!!
*one month goes by*
the spokesman steps up to the microphone and says...
"mars has water."
people who follow mars data all roll their eyes because it has been known ever since the polar caps were discovered, that there is water on mars.
6 months go by.
guess what??!! WE HAVE A SUPER MAGNIFICIENT FIND OF AMAZING PORTENT TO REVEAL IN 3 MONTHS!!!! STAY TUNED.
*three months go by*
the spokesman steps up to the mic and says...
"There are rocks on mars."
people who have been studying mars data for years now, just turn off the show.
Quote from: zorgon on November 21, 2012, 03:31:22 AM
And check out THIS one...
Mystery Spheres on Mars (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3177.msg44555#msg44555)
Anyone who tries to tell me "It's only rocks" better hide from the Exterminator :P
As I have mentioned before, some of the Staff at the
NASA, are rolling around the floor, laughing and wetting themselves over
ALL us, so called unintelligent public... ;D
But
TIME exposes the Truth !
The
NASA can't keep up the
B.S. forever.
It's only a matter of
TIME !
Quote from: undo11 on November 21, 2012, 03:42:36 AM
guess what?!!! WE HAVE A SUPER STUPENDOUS DISCOVERY TO ANNOUNCE IN ONE MONTH!! STAY TUNED!!
*one month goes by*
the spokesman steps up to the microphone and says...
"mars has water."
people who follow mars data all roll their eyes because it has been known ever since the polar caps were discovered, that there is water on mars.
6 months go by.
guess what??!! WE HAVE A SUPER MAGNIFICIENT FIND OF AMAZING PORTENT TO REVEAL IN 3 MONTHS!!!! STAY TUNED.
*three months go by*
the spokesman steps up to the mic and says...
"There are rocks on mars."
people who have been studying mars data for years now, just turn off the show.
ok, this was just very funny:) ;D ;D
lunica
lol i guess i was exaggerating a bit. but doesn't it seem like that sometimes? the rover has been on there long enough to tell us pretty much everything we would want to know about the composition of a huge surface, what types of rocks, what the bacterial (if any) composition is, water percentages, fossilization (if any), but instead they verify things they already knew about and mentioned 10 years ago.
it's like.......uh, this is not amazing. this is just you verifying your own data. let us know when you find something that you haven't already claimed existed there in the first place.
the really frustrating part is when it's a repeat of a repeat, as if the first time and second time were not enough.
Quote from: zorgon on November 20, 2012, 10:01:53 PM
I am getting so sick and tired of NASA bozos and their stupid announcement that they will make an announcement and then it turns out to be nothing.
Fire the whole dang lot of them It's a travesty >:(
If ya got something then spit it out, if not shut the fvck up until you do.
Never A Straight Answer is getting really old
zorgon has spoken!
Me likey
And .... THIS....
http://www.alexcollier.org/domed-secret-colonies-on-mars-1994/
Makes sense to me amigos!
Quote from: undo11 on November 21, 2012, 08:26:02 AM
lunica
lol i guess i was exaggerating a bit. but doesn't it seem like that sometimes? the rover has been on there long enough to tell us pretty much everything we would want to know about the composition of a huge surface, what types of rocks, what the bacterial (if any) composition is, water percentages, fossilization (if any), but instead they verify things they already knew about and mentioned 10 years ago.
it's like.......uh, this is not amazing. this is just you verifying your own data. let us know when you find something that you haven't already claimed existed there in the first place.
the really frustrating part is when it's a repeat of a repeat, as if the first time and second time were not enough.
Exactly my idea Undo. Thats why it was funny how you said it. I never have taken such an anouncement from the "rover department" as interesting. A lot of Old news or just well...
Besides that, a lot of us here know or have our thoughts :) about the history of Mars (or present)which is beyond the imagination of most of the people. its like the rovers are way behind the reality (our) which makes them less interesting. Of course it would be fun to have some mind blowing things aknowledged by the rovers...
Maybe they found a nasty marsian muscito:)
I would assume that this is just an announcement that they confirmed organic molecules in the soil.
Talk about baby steps......
Wait till December? Gotta give the Disnfo agents time to get briefed so they can get their answers tight....
first this
(http://i45.servimg.com/u/f45/13/55/53/83/att00013.jpg)
and now this
(http://i45.servimg.com/u/f45/13/55/53/83/best-n10.jpg)
SIGH
It seems like they keep going over the same thing as far as trying to find out about Mars. Either NASA is very stupid...or they are steering the public in one direction while they are looking at something else...this is all a front and they never left lower earth orbit. Scientists can't even tell us everything about our own earth. I just don't understand why they keep trying to re-invent the wheel so to speak. One of the things I have learned is that an expert can be found for anything to prove anything. I guess all I can hope for is to find out the truth one of these days. Sorry for the rambling
NASA Mars
(http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/images/background_NoBlue.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp0SkZstFF8
A NASA coverup? Naaaaah Photoshopped? Don't know. Sure looks suspicious.
Quote from: spacemaverick on November 21, 2012, 07:24:14 PM
A NASA coverup? Naaaaah Photoshopped? Don't know. Sure looks suspicious.
Same technique was used by Bing Maps to cover up a Russian portable ICBM launch site...
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Russian_Base/pasted.png)
You can see the clone tool used in several places that I have outlined
Terraserver just uses black redaction
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Russian_Base/Hump_001.png)
And Google Earth a blur...
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Russian_Base/Hump_002.png)
It's nice though when you have "boots on the ground" :D
Abandoned silos and launchers, still loaded tubes... the area has a secret airfield that is now operated by CIA
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Russian_Base/Base09.jpg)
A CIA base in Russia? WTF!
I like the video about the composite of the curiosity landing site. It reminds me of the craters on the moon that looked computer generated (many were identical in the same image).
Quote from: spacemaverick on November 21, 2012, 07:24:14 PM
A NASA coverup?
I don't think so.
QuotePhotoshopped?
Most likely.
QuoteSure looks suspicious.
Maybe, but that area is the only one for which there isn't high resolution coverage, so someone thought it was a good idea to clone some ground from another place to cover it up instead of using a lower resolution version.
Nothing can replace have someone right there. Too bad we don't have somebody on the moon or Mars.
Maybe, but that area is the only one for which there isn't high resolution coverage, so someone thought it was a good idea to clone some ground from another place to cover it up instead of using a lower resolution version.
Or, just maybe there is "stuff" on the surface that they believe the public is not ready to see yet. Or if the public were to see what is actually there, then sometimes "disclosure just happens"!
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/foto_5106.jpg)
Quote from: rdunk on November 21, 2012, 10:54:10 PM
Or, just maybe there is "stuff" on the surface that they believe the public is not ready to see yet. Or if the public were to see what is actually there, then sometimes "disclosure just happens"!
I doubt it, that's a small area in a place that doesn't look any different from the surrounding area.
Quote from: spacemaverick on November 21, 2012, 10:33:13 PM
Nothing can replace have someone right there. Too bad we don't have somebody on the moon or Mars.
The last guys that went to the Moon didn't give us much :P
A NASA cover up.. ArMaP says
QuoteI don't think so.
Then ArMaP says:
"...so someone thought it was a good idea to clone some ground from another place to cover it up..."
::)
2 identical rock formations next to each other?
Definitely photoshopped, even a half blind person can see that, i AM half blind, but it stands out like Elvis at a Mormon church service....
ArMaP,
If NASA were an ATS member you would have to move that photoshopped pic to hoax and ban them?
I find it bizarre the double standards in operation here. Do you understand me?
Quote from: zorgon on November 22, 2012, 09:16:05 AM
A NASA cover up.. ArMaP says
Then ArMaP says:
"...so someone thought it was a good idea to clone some ground from another place to cover it up..."
::)
In Portuguese is easier to explain, as I would have used two different words instead of the same (cover), as we don't use "cover" (tapar in Portuguese) in the same way it's used in "cover up" (ocultação, encobrimento).
Quote from: Pimander on November 22, 2012, 02:46:39 PM
ArMaP,
If NASA were an ATS member you would have to move that photoshopped pic to hoax and ban them?
For something like that? I wouldn't think of that as a hoax unless the image was made to present that specific area as real.
QuoteI find it bizarre the double standards in operation here. Do you understand me?
I don't see it as double standards, as I never consider images made for a publicity or entertainment purpose in the same way I do with images for scientific research.
The image was supposed to represent a real place. An image of something that isn't there was displayed. That is a hoax.
Is the new position: Hoaxing is only OK if you cost tax payers billions of dollars? If you are regular person it is completely unacceptable? :o
Double standards. :)
Quote from: Pimander on November 22, 2012, 11:24:35 PM
The image was supposed to represent a real place. An image of something that isn't there was displayed. That is a hoax.
The part that isn't there is a very small percentage of the whole image.
My understanding of the reason for the existence of that image is not that it was intended to be used as a way of looking at Gale crater as if we were there, only to give an approximate idea of how things are there.
Based on the two things above I don't see this as a hoax, just as a badly done publicity job.
QuoteIs the new position: Hoaxing is only OK if you cost tax payers billions of dollars? If you are regular person it is completely unacceptable? :o
Did I say that?
Quote from: ArMaP on November 22, 2012, 10:27:20 PM
In Portuguese is easier to explain, as I would have used two different words instead of the same (cover), as we don't use "cover" (tapar in Portuguese) in the same way it's used in "cover up" (ocultação, encobrimento).
Well; here in the US when you put a taro over something to occult it you are covering it up :P hope that helps :o
Quote from: Pimander on November 22, 2012, 11:24:35 PM
The image was supposed to represent a real place. An image of something that isn't there was displayed. That is a hoax.
Hoax is a funny term... ATS uses it when its convenient. But since 90% of stuff on forums and youtube is false info, that means hoaxes are the norm and reality is in the minority...
So... when is a hoax not a hoax but disinfo ?
::)
Quote from: ArMaP on November 22, 2012, 11:46:24 PM
Based on the two things above I don't see this as a hoax, just as a badly done publicity job.
It depends how you define hoax I guess. It isn't disinformation though.
No you didn't say that directly.... I'm suggesting that your usual sense of fairness is not being applied here.
Quote from: zorgon on November 22, 2012, 11:50:35 PM
So... when is a hoax not a hoax but disinfo ?
surely disinfo is always a hoax, unless it is propagated unknowingly... ???
Quote from: zorgon on November 22, 2012, 11:47:39 PM
Well; here in the US when you put a taro over something to occult it you are covering it up :P hope that helps :o
That's why I said that they used the same area to "cover up" the area that had no higher definition image. :)
Quote from: Pimander on November 22, 2012, 11:58:35 PM
It depends how you define hoax I guess. It isn't disinformation though.
To me, a hoax is something that was done with the intent of deceiving in some way, and I don't see that here.
QuoteNo you didn't say that directly.... I'm suggesting that your usual sense of fairness is not being applied here.
If I didn't say it then please do not act as if I had, when I do want to say something I say it (even today I told my boss that he was lying, some minutes later, after seeing that I was wrong I apologised), I don't do that "hidden meaning" stuff, only when joking, which was not the case.
It's possible that I am not seeing it in the right way, but I think it's also possible that
you are seeing this from a biased point of view.
Quotesurely disinfo is always a hoax, unless it is propagated unknowingly... ???
Well, it depends on the definition of disinfo. Once more, if i's propagated unknowingly I don't see it as a hoax
by that person.
Quote from: ArMaP on November 23, 2012, 01:05:37 AM
It's possible that I am not seeing it in the right way, but I think it's also possible that you are seeing this from a biased point of view.
It is possible that you are biased too. :o
I am biased in one sense. I do think that NASA waste a lot of money (my opinion) in the name of public education and science but then spend money on crap like Photoshopping bits of a 3D model of Mars surface to look like a science project when it is PR. Waste of money.
There are plenty of scientific projects that money could go on.
I also think that there is a lot of activity in space that NASA obscures (I mean draws attention away from). Lots of it probably military. If only we could spend it on science!
And then there are the rumours that lots of the Apollo footage was hoaxed.... but that is not for this thread. :)
Quote from: Pimander on November 23, 2012, 01:37:18 AM
There are plenty of scientific projects that money could go on.
yeah like RUBBER CHICKENS IN SPACE :P
QuoteI also think that there is a lot of activity in space that NASA obscures (I mean draws attention away from). Lots of it probably military. If only we could spend it on science!
It's in their fine print... on every NASA page... regarding your rights and need to know level :D
Quote from: zorgon on November 23, 2012, 02:54:33 AM
It's in their fine print... on every NASA page... regarding your rights and need to know level :D
SO if I know, does that mean I need to or is someone at NASA not doing their job properly?
Quote from: Pimander on November 23, 2012, 09:41:16 AM
SO if I know, does that mean I need to
Most likely, yes... but what is it that you think you know?
Quoteor is someone at NASA not doing their job properly?
That is a given :P
Quote from: zorgon on November 23, 2012, 10:25:54 AM
Most likely, yes... but what is it that you think you know?
That NASA have to lie about space technology because the most advanced stuff is classified. That gives rise to lots of conspiracy theories. This is encouraged by alphabeties and co as the tech is classified.
QuoteHoax is a funny term... ATS uses it when its convenient. But since 90% of stuff on forums and youtube is false info, that means hoaxes are the norm and reality is in the minority...
So... when is a hoax not a hoax but disinfo ?
Good point Z ;D
Have 2 go....
Quote from: Pimander on November 23, 2012, 11:29:54 AM
That NASA have to lie about space technology because the most advanced stuff is classified. That gives rise to lots of conspiracy theories. This is encouraged by alphabeties and co as the tech is classified.
So are you saying NASA is the cover story? :D
Quote from: zorgon on November 24, 2012, 10:56:14 AM
So are you saying NASA is the cover story? :D
Well, perhaps they do some real work too. But that is what it is used for yes. No way is what NASA say they use the best technology available. Absolutely no way. I am practically certain of that.
One example would be the Shuttle. With the right engines, it could do more and be launched cheaply from the back of a very high altitude carrier plane. Why wouldn't you do that if you could? It could probably leave low earth orbit too as you don't need so much fuel once you are up there, surely. If part of the loading bay was used for materials for a longer trip........ You get the picture?
So what is in that MASSIVE hanger at Area 51? :o