ive been reading conspiracy sites for about three years now.
it seems they have been becoming less of my life lately.
ats has really gone down hill.
i barely hear people speek of glp.
i dont consider this place a conspiracy site.
more of a knowledge site.
drudge report seems the closest to real conspiracies.
i believe there has been a slow disruption of these sites by the religious right.
at least ats really looks that way.
i created this thread as a general survey,not an argument against religion.
my question,are conspiracies dying or conspiracy sights and or why or why not?
Quote from: robomont on November 25, 2012, 12:27:50 AM
ive been reading conspiracy sites for about three years now.
it seems they have been becoming less of my life lately.
ats has really gone down hill.
i barely hear people speek of glp.
i dont consider this place a conspiracy site.
more of a knowledge site.
drudge report seems the closest to real conspiracies.
i believe there has been a slow disruption of these sites by the religious right.
at least ats really looks that way.
i created this thread as a general survey,not an argument against religion.
my question,are conspiracies dying or conspiracy sights and or why or why not?
i think fewer and fewer people have access to the internet, cause they lost their jobs and homes and life savings. everything is getting hit by it. i play world of warcraft video game. it's what they call a massive multiplayer online roleplaying game, otherwise known a mmorpg. they are the biggest, most successful mmo to date, and have around since 2004 or so.
anyway, i noticed that fewer people were playing. and then fewer. and then fewer. i thought maybe they were losing ground to newer mmos, but then i realized it was because people who use to play it, had lost their jobs. many people who were ats, were people who had lost their jobs and were living with relatives or friends. and then their friends and relatives lost their jobs. it's snowballing.
world of warcraft is surviving by marketing to the chinese and brazilians (????). i don't get the brazil thing. the chinese thing makes sense, but what's going on in brazil?
that kinda surprises me.
i know the economy was bad but did not know the hit was that bad.
me and my friends are still finding part time work.
thanks for the heads up on that.
What are people entitled to money wise if they lose their jobs and cannot find another one in the US, just curious. Sorry off topic, but if they havent got the money for the internet or even a place to live that would have an effect.
Well the money/no job thing certainly is a factor on the internet in general. Once your unemployment runs out you will be saving money wherever you can to pay the important bills first like food and housing
But as for conspiracy sites.... people are getting jaded and fed up.
Look at 2012... all those millions of webpages, book sales etc all pointing to Dec 21 2012 as the end... and now, a few weeks away and nothing earth shattering is happening, all those end of world supporters will have to hide under a rock... because you can bet some of us are gonna demand answers :P
No UFO disclosure has come or is going to.
You can only rehash the same old stories so many times before people get bored and want something new. And the new stuff... 99% is pure hogwash and outright hoaxes and the 1$ left is so0 buried in BS it never sees the light of day
The old timers are dying off... those that lived through the best years of the UFO scene are becoming extinct... John is turning 70 this year :D And truth be told his memory does tend to miss a few thing from time to time. Even I have that issue these days
So what conspiracy is left? How many times can we blame every natural disaster on HAARP?
And who are these elusive "Illuminati" that we can never quite identify?
Yup its run its course... been there done that to death... No one even looks at the old papers. I have 6000 plus files and no one has asked to look at any :D
Quote from: biggles on November 25, 2012, 02:17:31 AM
What are people entitled to money wise if they lose their jobs and cannot find another one in the US, just curious. Sorry off topic, but if they havent got the money for the internet or even a place to live that would have an effect.
we have a welfare program and social security. to qualify for either of them you have to meet certain criteria.
for example, on the welfare program, if you lose your job but your spouse still has his/hers, you probably make too much money to be on welfare.
the welfare program is below the poverty line. problem is, the cost of living is like nearly a 100% higher now than it was in 1970 (inflation adjusted!) and that's with both people working, whereas in 1970, it was typically only one person working. so if you're a married couple and one of you lose your job, you're likely to go into bankruptcy if the person doesn't get another job.
and that means losing your house, and etc. could also effect your chances at finding another job, because the businesses are now starting to check your credit rating before giving you a job and bankruptcy would ruin your chances of getting that job.
also, the welfare program gives more weight to a minority person out of work than a caucasian (minority is anyone who isn't caucasian. yeah our gov hates us. must be a hostile takeover). so you have to be even poorer as a white person and in some cases, depending on where you live, you will never be poor enough if your white. considering the USA is still majority white, this means there's alot of really poor white people who don't get any help at all.
social security requires you work for so many years, and pay into the social security system, before you can qualify for any assistance from them.
Quote from: undo11 on November 25, 2012, 01:39:05 AM
i think fewer and fewer people have access to the internet, cause they lost their jobs and homes and life savings. everything is getting hit by it. i play world of warcraft video game. it's what they call a massive multiplayer online roleplaying game, otherwise known a mmorpg. they are the biggest, most successful mmo to date, and have around since 2004 or so.
World of Warcraft:- An autopsy. (http://mirshwow.blogspot.com.au/2010/02/world-of-warcraft-autopsy.html)
Blizzard killed WoW themselves. The linked article was something I wrote before the Cataclysm expansion pack, which just put the soil over the coffin. WoW lost 2 million players over the first two quarters since Cataclysm's release.
Long term, WoW first struck ice in around August of 2007, about six months after the release of TBC. I literally felt it happen; like the grinding sensation when the iceberg ripped along the side of the Titanic. The sink rate between then and Cataclysm was slow, and it was also masked somewhat by the fact that new people came in from the First Person Shooter (another genre of game) scene in order to play the Arena. Then we drifted for a while until patch 2.3, which marked the real beginning of the end; and again, that was an intuitive thing.
I give World of Warcraft another three years, tops. Probably less than that if Blizzard change things more than they already have. WoW had a formula in the early days, and the original dev team recognised it. Ghostcrawler and the rest of the B team they've got in now, have no idea what they're doing whatsoever; and the constant screaming in their ears from the Arena brats on the forum, doesn't help.
As far as the religious right taking over conspiracy sites; my money says that that isn't the real problem. Sure, Before It's News has degenerated into a cess pit of rabid Christian fundamentalism, but that wasn't what I saw happen on ATS.
The thing that is really killing both conspiracy and occult forums, in my experience, is the rise of pseudoskeptical atheism. Most of the forums I've been to have become infested with a group of people who simply keep up an endless, deafening chorus of insistence that literally anything that is being talked about, could not possibly exist; so the rest of us are all just cranks and nutcases for discussing it, and we should all just shut up.
The part that I really don't get, is why the staff of said forums are also taking the pseudoskeptics' side. Nothing will get you banned faster on ATS than arguing with a pseudoskeptic, now.
The way we're going, humanity as a whole is only going to have two possible religious or philosophical choices available; Islam or pseudoskeptical/Dawkinsian neo-Atheism. Everything else is possibly going to get wiped out by the aggression of those two groups.
skeptic over_ _ _ _
owns the place. you can expect skeptics to be his preferred flavor. i use to get really irritated with how they treated john lear's moon thread, but that was nothing compared to what happened after that. once they managed to harrass john and bug the mods enough to get john removed from ats, they then proceeded to use him as the poster child for why you shouldn't believe anything is unusual on the moon. sorta like how they treat the subject of sumer as if it was all completely made up by sitchin. even the original sumerian texts are often treated like they are works written by sitchin and that "nibiru farce".
z is right though. people were already pretty jaded by the time they realized how many things were going wrong in the first place, then add skeptics that don't know the difference between honest effort and hoaxes, and don't care either, they just want to rain on any parade out of the norm.
it's like a feeding frenzy at times.
Seems that the Government are still willing to offer advice on how we can prepare for 2012 with less than 27 days to go ! ??? :o
Are they taking any bets on it !.... then maybe we can Put all our life savings and our Houses on it !... then if it happens what have we lost !
If it doesn't.... Could be a nice payday ! :)
How to survive the end of the world
If you believe the Mayan Apocalypse, the world is due to end in one month's time. It won't, of course - but governments already offer 'official' tips on how to survive nuclear war, asteroid strike, or even a zombie virus outbreak.
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Look at 2012... all those millions of webpages, book sales etc all pointing to Dec 21 2012 as the end... and now, a few weeks away and nothing earth shattering is happening, all those end of world supporters will have to hide under a rock... because you can bet some of us are gonna demand answers :P
well where did all these overzealous skeptics come from?
it looks like an agenda to me.
the same agressive tendencies repeated over and over again.
i agree z.
time is ticking away.
heres my theory.
the superweapons are being stored for a generation to come.
after all thoughts of them are buried.
the people who built them will go to their graves with the secrets.
i believe their is a school of kids somewhere ,like a military accademy that is behind the downfall of ats.
i reason this because of the organization of the attacks.
almost like a homework assignment.
but its also easy to see their immaturity in their speech.
the religion part of their swarm makes me think midwest or mormon.
this would be an obvious location as ats headquarters is in pheonix i think.
i have never heard of the gov using children like this but maybe its happening.
i truly believe there is an agenda going on with all that ive seen lately .
thankyou z for not tollerating it on here.
i like this peaceful world of deep thought and challenging discussion.
it seems the economy is going to stop science for a while also.or at least slow it down.ie rover on mars.
my kid can learn more from a physics book than what we are getting from nasa.
its like a purposeful dumbing down.
could this purpose be for depopulation?
it would sure make it easier to kill stupid people.
or to make a slave race.
maybe our future is closer to indias past.
different classes.
as far as the illuminati,i dont know.
in this world there is nowhere to hide.not even in plain sight.
every dark corner is illuminated,every quiet office complex on a dead end drive has been exposed.
every college bunker has been explored.
On reflection I can honestly say that this site (PRC) is my site of choice, I do visit GLP from time to time and do find some gems that are few and far between, this of course between the blanket IP bans their admin throws about frequently and which I would never in a million years request an unban.
I like John L. turn 70 mext month, I have in that 70 years seen two completely unexplained events outward and quite a few personal inward happenings that I file in my mind as "WOW"
I do have a new intrest in why so many people are bringing forward their worsening ringing ear problem as I have noticed a marked increase in the same problem personaly, wondering if anyone has thoughts on this.
Quote from: Topend2 on November 25, 2012, 05:50:33 AM
On reflection I can honestly say that this site (PRC) is my site of choice
Agreed. This is the only forum I regularly spend time on, at this point. Everywhere else that I know of has either died, been overrun with pseudoskeptical trolls, or both. Disclose.tv isn't a forum, but still has the odd decent upload now and then. Naturalnews.tv also has some good vids, but Mike Adams himself is barking insane at this point, as far as I'm concerned. Rumor Mill News is worth checking out occasionally, if you don't mind the cranks, fundamentalist Christians, and fundamentalist Christian cranks. ;)
QuoteI do visit GLP from time to time and do find some gems that are few and far between
I've been to GLP very little, but have found it more a source of comedy than anything else. ATS has degenerated into a sewer of atheistic misinformation and debunking, as mentioned.
Quotethis of course between the blanket IP bans their admin throws about frequently and which I would never in a million years request an unban.
You are referred to rules 8 and 9, of the Rules of the Internet (http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/030/662/rules.jpg.jpg). There is a no such thing as an Internet forum, whose administrator is not a pathological narcissist. Having one would be like a beach without sand. ;)
well if zorgons one of those then he is at the lower part of the scale most of the time ; )
ats is crawling with:
muslims
democrats/socialists/marxists
atheists (the hostile variety)
christians
skin heads/neo-nazis/white supremacists
occassionally republicans, depending on whether there's an election coming up
and a small population of jewish people, who are more obvious during palestinian events
there also seems to be a sizable population of new agers, masons and nasa peeps.
if you're sensing that some of them are young, it may be just the newest generation of script kiddies and ANONYMOUS hackers, keeping up to date on who to harrass next. lol if you ever read a 4chan, it's like textbook pseudo skeptic, just for the lulz.
oh and there's a train load of racists on ats. i think they fit better under democrats and skin heads but some of them are various religions, and seem to be the most radical when they are posting from africa. some of those guys are off the richter scale racists cause their societies are not multicultural by any stretch of the imagination and all they've ever had to read were racist materials.
Quote from: robomont on November 25, 2012, 06:55:47 AM
well if zorgons one of those then he is at the lower part of the scale most of the time ; )
Got to admit our Z is a gem most of the time. ;)
As for "Conspiracy Sites Dieing off" I am not so sure about that, but one thing is for sure, there are more good fakes out there than you can shake a stick at.
I have had a few "WOW!" moments when running across some tid bit of new finds and been terribly disappointed too find out I was duped, me, a person of my own conviction to finding truth!! But, due to the diligence of research and finding out the facts, I was rendered the truths, as disappointing as they were for I was thoroughly hoping for them too be fact and not fiction.
I think it has a lot too do with my personal experiences and having something happen to validate my personal experience with a viable and provable story as it too have substance for discussion with in such forums as we have here.
i.e. I had my first UFO experience when I was around 7-8 and have had them several times since then, err go no proof only my "Personal Experience" to reiterate the tales of such a fantastical thing. Which in turn allows me too be pretty none judgmental when hearing such new stories and tales. Then again, I have became a more insightful individual for these events with every story being a possible hoax before it was the opposite of my personal analogy of such things being factual and true. A combination of such thing's as Money hungrier or straight out lying and dis-info are more common placed than one would like to admit.
Z has hit the nail on the head with the admittance of the Old school Joe's and Jane's dieing off and their stories being nothing more than that "Stories" and with them out of the picture, all these things we discuss are mundane and rather bland, after all, how many times have we had a youngster come in and give their tale to just get attention just because they new they could get the rise they wanted? I have to admit, it is sad, but at least we have "Here" too propagate the correct course of action too either debunk or prove such scenarios brought before me or us.
But, on another note, a response to Z's remark of having 6K + data sheets for discussion? "You, my friend keep your hand close to your chest." And if there is such pertinent evidence that is there for certain tales of the unknown or undiscussed, well, pour your little heart out!! "I am here for you Man!!" :'( LOL
1WW
I think you've identified a problem that goes well beyond conspiracy sites. It's a wholesale stagnation of worldwide thinking and culture.
For some time now, I've been feeling a sense of the impending, greater than at any time in my life - that we are overdue for radical change on earth unlike anything we've ever seen before - but that is just triggered by an assumption of extrapolation. You see suggestive progress in aging/new energy/breakthrough physics and think, "wow, everything's gonna change suddenly" BUT IT DOESN'T.
Perhaps the Cabal/Illuminati/Bilderberg/Banksters have won. They've diverted the human spirit into distractions and dead ends.
Quote from: Eighthman on November 25, 2012, 01:34:26 PM
I think you've identified a problem that goes well beyond conspiracy sites. It's a wholesale stagnation of worldwide thinking and culture.
You are correct Eighthman, it goes beyond the conspiracy theories we now debate, it goes into every avenue of such topical discussions. And another point well made is that it has become "Stagnant" for positive true answers. Always something seemingly left out for absolutes and complete disclosure of such matters.
QuoteFor some time now, I've been feeling a sense of the impending, greater than at any time in my life - that we are overdue for radical change on earth unlike anything we've ever seen before - but that is just triggered by an assumption of extrapolation. You see suggestive progress in aging/new energy/breakthrough physics and think, "wow, every thing's gonna change suddenly" BUT IT DOESN'T.
I have felt this way as well for sometime, as many of us will probably contest too as being the norm as of lately with in such forums for conspiracy and other topics. As you had mentioned, the "WOW" factors have been rather irrelevant for that description, but I do know what I have experienced and there for maintains it's feasibility with in my personal conviction too openly discuss, even though I now do so with grains of fine salt. They say Patience is a virtue, I think patience allows the PTB the allotted time of such empirical acts such as dis-info and conjecture too start such doubts among the general public.
I choose to remain diligent toward the cause, but apprehensive all the same as too what,where and whys too every explanation too such fantastical events and evidence. A good recent example of this would have to be the "Baltic Sea UFO" thing that was running rampant. Not saying I thought it was a genuine UFO, but the thought that they would find something and give it too us straight was my hope during the discovery and investigation into the find.
QuotePerhaps the Cabal/Illuminati/Bilderberg/Banksters have won. They've diverted the human spirit into distractions and dead ends.
Yes, this is a very disappointing fact Eighthman, true as it is, once again, I keep hoping that there will be something somewhere that will give us answers worthy of our intelligence and integrity for further understanding into such matters.
As I re-read my initial post to surmise your points and insights too what I was conveying, you are a very intuitive person, and that is why I enjoy being here with PRC. Very few people have driven me toward angry or frustrated, but as thing's have managed to get the best of me and my interpretations of such argumentative discussions, Emotion can fly high and never forget who is in control while discussing such endeavors and theories.
I have been with PRC for many years now, almost 6 with the Yahoo groups included, the very beginning of the beginning of this now wonderful place. It amazes me how much thing's can get under ones skin, but then again, it amazes me too know that I allowed such things to get that far with in my own personal ability of knowing "Things aren't what they always seem."
With Great Respect,
1Worldwatcher
I would add one more thing, a technical point:
Let Us All Curse The Day Photoshop Was Created.
"Photographic Evidence" is now an oxymoron. There is no such thing anymore - and with that, anything goes as to concealment.
Consider how far could deception go? I think you could have a flying saucer drift at 15 mph across a city of a million or so at treetop level at high noon - and still find it declared a hoax and ignored by the MSM.
As for the rest, I try hard to control myself and not go all geezerish about a generation that works hard to create computer viruses, hoaxed videos, and airy-fairy notions about transforming the world by just loving each other. oops, I just slipped up on that....
Quote from: Eighthman on November 25, 2012, 02:34:43 PM
I would add one more thing, a technical point:
Let Us All Curse The Day Photoshop Was Created.
"Photographic Evidence" is now an oxymoron. There is no such thing anymore - and with that, anything goes as to concealment.
Consider how far could deception go? I think you could have a flying saucer drift at 15 mph across a city of a million or so at treetop level at high noon - and still find it declared a hoax and ignored by the MSM.
As for the rest, I try hard to control myself and not go all geezerish about a generation that works hard to create computer viruses, hoaxed videos, and airy-fairy notions about transforming the world by just loving each other. oops, I just slipped up on that....
when they decide they want to release it, they will instruct their disinfo guys to tell the truth instead. whether that will be the truth or not, is anybody's guess and one of the reasons i thorougly despise the concept of lying to people who you don't find worthy for whatever reason, in the first place.
agree whole-heartedly with you Eighthman, there is way too many thing's to create the doubt for the truth can even be rendered as such. The principalities of our current state of social affairs is permeated with the notion of being more liked, more fantastical and even more powerful than the last person to try and validate their points of views.
I don't know if you had the chance too visit other areas with in the PRC forums, but one I would advise too check out is the "Farside Buildings" with in the John Lear area. It has many wondrous things too wittiness first hand. I enjoy keeping my eye on it for the simple fact that these are people that are striving to find the truths of such things so important to man kind. There are those that were presented to the thread that were immediately recognized for fakes and disinformation by those that have the first hand encounters with such thing's being factual and deserve a real hard look into these events being nothing short of "Fantastical" for their claims, but there is something there. We only have to become part of the answer, not the answer for everything put on the table for explanation and deductive reasoning.
Conspiracies are far and wide, bu then again there is ample history to provide that this is common placed throughout the history of contemporary man kind. I think this quote you had posted was exactly the way it is too be viewed, and very funny as well, I may add:
QuoteAs for the rest, I try hard to control myself and not go all geezerish about a generation that works hard to create computer viruses, hoaxed videos, and airy-fairy notions about transforming the world by just loving each other. oops, I just slipped up on that....
Spoken as a true and definitely fed up fellow researcher...Haha!
With Great Respect,
1Worldwatcher
I came here after watching John Lear on Camelot on my Roku. (a wonderful cheap gadget to replace your cable subscription, by the way).
I think the key to defeating the Cabal - and our dying global economy is free energy. I am currently investigating a list of dead or harassed inventors for some clue as to what's real but fear that, even if true, their demise might be like Oswald vs Jack Ruby (as in maybe he is a patsy but maybe not, so Jack.....)
Everytime I read more sweet talk from the 2012 Ascension crowd, I always come back to the same point: if you love us so much, where's the free energy, Ms. Pleaidian?
i too agree with eightman.
the scrip kiddies were the ones i was complaining about.i no longer get deep into threads on ats.i just scan them and they are who ive picked up on.
i too feel the stagnation around me and on the net.i just recently went to raleigh nc and chicago il.
as i drove to these places,i saw stagnation all over the nation except in raliegh nc.they still have bad traffic jams.i would almost say that town and suburbs have not been effected by the downturn.
the stagnation and deadends on the net is what bothers me the most though.the baby boomers were a powerful force and this may be part of it.
thankyall for the replies.
may truth ,knowledge and wisdom triumph.
Quote from: Eighthman on November 25, 2012, 03:31:53 PM
I think the key to defeating the Cabal - and our dying global economy is free energy.
Free energy or at least cheap energy will lift the stagnation and even get the economy moving. Just at my level the cost of petrol makes it too expensive to go out of town to Medieval events. Those trips always put a ton of money i to local economies. So by us not travelling it has a ripple effect.
Shipping costs are outrages today... just to ship a few fruit across the country its $11.35 for a small flat rate box... so this effects even online sales. You sell something worth a few bucks but they have to pay 3 times that for shipping
So yeah free energy would be nice. I would be happy with CHEAP energy don't need to be free. There is no such thing as 'free' anyway
QuoteEverytime I read more sweet talk from the 2012 Ascension crowd, I always come back to the same point: if you love us so much, where's the free energy, Ms. Pleaidian?
Well countdown is on on that :D I wonder what their story will be in less than 4 weeks :D
Quote from: petrus4 on November 25, 2012, 06:14:02 AM
You are referred to rules 8 and 9, of the Rules of the Internet (http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/030/662/rules.jpg.jpg). There is a no such thing as an Internet forum, whose administrator is not a pathological narcissist. Having one would be like a beach without sand. ;)
Even if that is true......
.... at least I get out of the house and get some good honest sex now and again. :P
Quote from: petrus4 on November 25, 2012, 06:14:02 AMThere is a no such thing as an Internet forum, whose administrator is not a pathological narcissist. Having one would be like a beach without sand. ;)
{{{kicks sand in Petrus's face}}}
Well yeah I wear a crown and run around town swinging a sword... I guess that qualifies as "pathological" in some circles :D
But it has its advantages... THEY leave me alone.... they don't want to face my sharp pointy things :D
Quote from: Pimander on November 25, 2012, 08:53:14 PM
Even if that is true......
.... at least I get out of the house and get some good honest sex now and again. :P
I went into Melbourne last week, and am planning on going in tomorrow; primarily in order to buy some azuki beans, which apparently aren't available closer.
As far as the sex is concerned, I won't argue with you. Celibacy is becoming seriously tedious, in all honesty. I sometimes wish I could have made my last relationship work.
Quote from: zorgon on November 25, 2012, 08:55:35 PM
{{{kicks sand in Petrus's face}}}
Well yeah I wear a crown and run around town swinging a sword... I guess that qualifies as "pathological" in some circles :D
But it has its advantages... THEY leave me alone.... they don't want to face my sharp pointy things :D
I wasn't necessarily intending to be hostile. Not long ago, I had the intent of starting my own forum, and even got as far as registering a domain for it and installing software; although I didn't tell anyone about it. My motivation, however, was quite consciously to obtain narcissistic supply. ;)
I don't know if they are dying or not, as ATS is the only conspiracy site I visit, but I can see by the statistics I gather (from information publicly available to anyone) that there was a noticeable reduction in the number of posts in October, almost as if many people stopped posting because their work was done and there wasn't any need for more posting. :)
I agree with undo11 in one thing, it looks like there are some (more or less) organized groups of members that have some "targets" and that try to interfere in some topics.
I think one of the reasons for the diminishing numbers is that people now are more interested in the short message style of Facebook and Twitter posts than on having a real discussion, or (even worse) in watching some videos.
I think ArMaP and Undo hit it center on.
A year before any election there is a huge influx
of "hired hands" especially so with the latest O administration.
The real "conspriacies" are then buried, and those who are
tired by political campaigns just take some time off, like
yours truly.
Are they all hired? I doubt it. I just think that there are huge numbers of folks who will do whatever they can to keep certain voices from being heard. Some are Democrats, I'd say a larger proportion are actually the Religious Right.
Being someone who scanned quite a lot, on many sites I do agree with the notion that some people got fed up and left for greener pastures. In my own case I became sick to death of the american election, and BS from others who knew they were selling BS. :-X
Take the 2012 phenomenon for example and how much money that has pocketed some people... If those people were really sincere to themselves and said "I honestly don't know" and pushed their effort into other areas then maybe some really other oddball areas like the joe cell with a few experimenters may have been afforded the funds for a prolonged serious experiment. The list goes on really in regards to the people that need proper attention :)
In regards to Joe's Cell I have Three items of interest:
- Joe Cell is a Cylinder of Metal
- Kozyrev Mirror is another Metallic Cylinder
- The Matrix Traveller's Knowledge of Dynamic Converters is much more complex than the previous two. But all in all it is a metallic cylinder containing water
I don't see much cause to call them folkes out for Collusion or Scamming given the time frame and distance involved between individuals LOL.... YET they all present something that co-insides with each other in many ways that do deserve perseverance :)
There's also a possibility that people are sorta taking a breather to see how it all pans out before they jump back in. I know for myself right now I am quite happy getting back into shape with the main goal of being as good as I can be for delving back into Qigong along with a renewed outlook!
Having said the above though... Dang Mill still wont openly talk of aliens :P
All the best!
Soma :)
Quote from: Pimander on November 26, 2012, 05:11:45 PM
Are they all hired? I doubt it. I just think that there are huge numbers of folks who will do whatever they can to keep certain voices from being heard. Some are Democrats, I'd say a larger proportion are actually the Religious Right.
that's interesting. pretty much every christian i talk to find the subject fascinating, although they tend to classify it in about as many ways as there are varieties of roses.
12160.info is blooming... [shrug]
Quote from: undo11 on November 26, 2012, 06:05:53 PM
that's interesting. pretty much every christian i talk to find the subject fascinating, although they tend to classify it in about as many ways as there are varieties of roses.
I did not mention Christians. you did... So are you referring to the Religious right or just the Christians with no political mission?
I think that what is happening is that the sites like ATS and GLP have been infiltrated, or sold out, or otherwise have been compromised. New sites are springing up as the truthseekers move to more open ground. As I said, 12160.info is thriving, as is Ye Olde False Flag... I'm sure there are others.
Quote from: Pimander on November 27, 2012, 01:23:42 AM
I did not mention Christians. you did... So are you referring to the Religious right or just the Christians with no political mission?
i'm just commenting on the part of the religious right that contains christians. have you watched any of david flynn's videos? he has one of the oldest ufo sites on the internet. (he passed away recently at a rather young age).
i read a book years ago, written by a christian dude in 1949 (check that date!!!) who claimed that god has an universal government, and that the earth has been inhabited by other sentient races god created in the past, that are called angels in the biblical text. in fact the universe is teaming with other sentient species god created. and the author was no slouch either. he was a high brow scholar of the biblical texts and its original languages. (no easy feat, since it contains hebrew, chaldean, aramaic, greek and in some cases latin)
thanks amy for the headsup on that site,i will check it out.
not that im thinkin of moving.
my nest here is comfy and there are no bugs.
that bible story sounds interesting.
i once started learning hebrew.it wasnt that hard for a beginner on my own.most of the real old languages had limited vocabulary, i believe but im no expert.
now if there was lotsa sumerian text out there,i would consider totally learning that language.
its amazing what happens when all the old history is melded together.
what a marvelous and strange world we are present to experience.
Quote from: undo11 on November 27, 2012, 04:23:38 AM
i read a book years ago, written by a christian dude in 1949 (check that date!!!) who claimed that god has an universal government, and that the earth has been inhabited by other sentient races god created in the past, that are called angels in the biblical text. in fact the universe is teaming with other sentient species god created.
:o WOW now it all makes sense... god is the Commander of the Galactic Federation pf Light
:D
::)
Quote from: undo11 on November 27, 2012, 04:23:38 AM
in fact the universe is teaming with other sentient species god created. and the author was no slouch either. he was a high brow scholar of the biblical texts and its original languages. (no easy feat, since it contains hebrew, chaldean, aramaic, greek and in some cases latin)
One of my overriding thoughts about the idea of races created by "God" is just that, while we may suspect or even be fairly sure they were created by SOMEONE that doesn't necessarily prove that said creator is God (as in THE GOD) - they could just be god (without capitals) and ultimately just other beings.
as a user of a bastard droid ,this sight is one of the most user friendly sites out there.i went to 12160.info.the sight seems nice but the pages are not mobile friendly.i dont know whats in this sites programming maybe lithium grease,but it sure is smooth and easy.im always having to delete history,delete cookies,or clear caches on the other sites just to not jam up my phone.
Yeah, James, the site owner of 12160.info, really wants to move the site elsewhere. He rather despises Ning - but He does not have the money to move it.
i may be wrong but i think z and proto are only paying around five bucks a month for their sites.
Quote from: Amaterasu on November 28, 2012, 02:16:45 AM
Yeah, James, the site owner of 12160.info, really wants to move the site elsewhere. He rather despises Ning - but He does not have the money to move it.
Globat ad is on the front page... we get referral fee if he uses that link ;)
They currently charge $4.44 a month. That gives you TRUE unlimited storage and traffic plus one domain name free and hosting several domains on the same account I have three currently.
The issues we had were not related to server errors, thought the FREE tech support is frustrating. They do have pay for tech service but its better you have your own tech on staff
The problem with forums is that they are PHP and that is easy to hack, whether its free like SMF script or top of the line. Remember that even ATS was hacked and they lost 8500 user id's and passwords
The problem is in the script.
Globat has MANY free to use scripts that automatically load into your account BUT they do state that they are not support for third party programs (like the forum)
So yeah if he is looking have him check them out and tell them we sent him :D I would like to see if that referral fee actually works :D
Quote from: robomont on November 27, 2012, 04:23:18 PM
i dont know whats in this sites programming maybe lithium grease,but it sure is smooth and easy
Simple coding...
Problem with that is that simple coding is easier to hack...
Also we don't have all the google analytics, facebook and twitter clutter that everyone else has. THAT sucks up memory like crazy. To see what I mean go to ATS as a guest and watch the loading info at the bottom of your browser. I have seen over 30 redirects at a time LOL
All those load every time you simply view the page.
Another point on dying conspiracy sites
1)
The 'truth seekers' as Amy called therm move from one site to another mainly because when they are faced with truth, and that truth doesn't fit with their perceived truth, they move somewhere that sells and supports their pet version :D
ATS for example..
ATS started out as THE #1 UFO/Alien forum... it was their main ticket from the start. Springer especially was gung ho on that topic... and it was him that was the main reason John and latter me got so much mileage at ATS....
Then Springer and ATS stepped it up a notch to go 'on the road' to San Jose UFO convention in 2007...
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Bay_Area_UFO_Expo/Bay-UFO-01-015.jpg)
After that convention... (it was the biggest in the US) Springer realized that the UFO following was not really that large and most of the people at the event where... well Fruitcakes :P
Most of the vendors where more interested in hawking books, cds and healling gems and jewelry than seeking any 'truth'
So what started out as a new venture that would have led to me building a booth for ATS, ended up as an eye opener that it really wasn't worth the time
After that the YT hoaxes started dominating the UFO scene. Seasoned 'Whistle Blowers' caught UFO disease. UFO disease is where you tell any old story or follow any old story, just to keep your audience entertained.
Linda Howe is a prime example with her support of the Drones... Steven Greer went moth hunting at $1000.00 a pop, Bob Dean supported two photos and really talked them up and they were obvious and proven artifacts. Dr Lier jumped on the Jerusalem UFO and Turkey UFO videos...
So in the end all those that SHOULD be in the lead, are just making it worse.
ATS got to the point that there was no NOTHING to sink teeth into... so why waste the time. I see know they are leaning more to political stuff.
The Alien UFO field has become a joke... and now in about 4 weeks all those selling 2012 end of the world books and cd's are going to have to face people and explain WTF happened.
Will they give refunds? Do they already have an excuse ready? What will be the next date they give us?
Come Jan 01 2013... the conspiracy world will be the one that meets its doom. With all the 2012 hype leading the way, there will be no credibility left for anyone, cept John and me, who never hopped on that wagon :P
THAT is why conspiracy sites are failing. The charlatans have a louder voice. They drown out any real truth seekers. And they have charisma, so you cannot say they are wrong without it coming back to bite you :D I already found that out when I said Nassim Haramein was a buffoon and a moron... but hey what do I know? He gets National Geographic to pay him for documentaries and gets to sell his faked stones for $75,000 each
So who is the real fool, eh?
::)
conspiracy sites cannot die so easy because it always been amongst very instruments to manipulate public & collect some statistics ;)
Quote from: SarK0Y on November 28, 2012, 03:36:27 AM
conspiracy sites cannot die so easy because it always been amongst very instruments to manipulate public & collect some statistics ;)
True enough CIA had agents in all the UFO groups in the early days :D
but back then there were some good stories to look at. Today its 99% BS
agreed z.
linda howe is the perfect example of a ufo scammer.
she didnt write the book on it but she has it memorized.
thanks for the info on the programming.
did not know any of that except one time i did count like 18 cookies on ats.
what a freekin nightmare.
it takes maybe five seconds to download prc.
it takes 3 minutes to download ats on my phone.
by then im usually distracted by something else in the world.ie cats,my new bunnies,shiny things.
one good thing,ufo sightings are getting more prevalent.
its just a matter of time before the cats out of the bag.1947+75 years=2022.you old timers hold on for 9 more years,hopefully.
Great thread. Thanks for starting it OP.
I can remember from the first time I conversed with Z, many years ago, he said then that nothing would happen on Dec 21 2012. I always remembered that and is probably the main reason why I am here, and not on those disinfo sites.
Thanks Z for that btw.
I totally agree that the internet is 99 percent garbage and 1 percent truth. However do I regret sifting through to find the truth. No way. That 1 percent is well worth it. Just like looking for gold in the hills. Well worth it.
Nice Posts Robo and Mic !
Although this planet seems to be in a constant mess and I am sure its meant to be that way for a reason anyone of us could speculate on...
It sure isnt as bad as the WW2 era right now. That was a serious world war where Grandma's were giving up their cooking pots for mortars and working in canning factorys to send the produce to the troops WTF >:(
Raising the Vibration level of the planet is another pet peeve tonight... honestly please stop the madness. Ride the Vibe I can dig... raise it though ?
the important point of dec 21 2012 is that it marks or is supposed to mark, the end of the age, and the beginning of another. these concepts are followed closely by masonic brotherhoods, as they believe in it, maintain it, and help to usher in the changes. when an age ends, big $hit happens, usually related to restructuring of political lines, money, religion, and social orders.
isnt it time we said enough.
doesnt the world deserve peace?
i say nuke the whole thing.
burn it to a crisp.
if humans cant get along then lets screw it.
i was born during vietnam and there has been some kinda war going on somewhere my entire life.
i think its time we ended this bs.
im talking mass killing spree .
nuke whole countries at a time.
the fallout cant be worse than the way were living now.
at least nukes consume most of their radiation.
it would probably help increase the iq of the humans who are left here.
im having a bad day as you can see.
Yeah, lets drop neutron bombs, nuke everyone, KILL KILL, please Nibiru, we're waitintg for you to hit.... or is it an imaginary comet. ::)
Fingers crossed, if you wish hard enough, maybe it really will be Doomsday. Please, make it Doomsday. When will Jesus coming to take a few of us and leave the rest to die? He needs to be quick. :o
My 2 cents.....
Yes, the Internet is loading up with crap. And the world seems more Rashomon than ever. Still, I seek the true "Ali Aja" story. Let me explain:
Years ago, some guy tried to kill the Pope. They took him in and he gave 4 or 5 different, contradictory stories that collectively made no sense. The Wall Street Journal pointed out that ONE story he told made absolute sense: he was trained by the Bulgarians who were buddies with the KGB who wanted the Pope dead because he was undermining their rule over Poland. This made sense but Ali Aja had already wrecked his own credibility with crazy stories.
My point? The right balance of simple logic and intuition usually gets us to the truth - and I think that applies to UFO's.
Quote from: zorgon on November 28, 2012, 03:09:46 AM
Globat ad is on the front page... we get referral fee if he uses that link ;)
They currently charge $4.44 a month. That gives you TRUE unlimited storage and traffic plus one domain name free and hosting several domains on the same account I have three currently.
The issues we had were not related to server errors, thought the FREE tech support is frustrating. They do have pay for tech service but its better you have your own tech on staff
The problem with forums is that they are PHP and that is easy to hack, whether its free like SMF script or top of the line. Remember that even ATS was hacked and they lost 8500 user id's and passwords
The problem is in the script.
Globat has MANY free to use scripts that automatically load into your account BUT they do state that they are not support for third party programs (like the forum)
So yeah if he is looking have him check them out and tell them we sent him :D I would like to see if that referral fee actually works :D
I'll contact Him and let Him know... [smile] Thanks!
Quote from: robomont on November 28, 2012, 08:35:12 PM
isnt it time we said enough.
doesnt the world deserve peace?
i say nuke the whole thing.
burn it to a crisp.
if humans cant get along then lets screw it.
i was born during vietnam and there has been some kinda war going on somewhere my entire life.
i think its time we ended this bs.
im talking mass killing spree .
nuke whole countries at a time.
the fallout cant be worse than the way were living now.
at least nukes consume most of their radiation.
it would probably help increase the iq of the humans who are left here.
im having a bad day as you can see.
Humans can get along just fine when not fed propaganda which encourages war, hatred, bigotry, and other negative behaviors. When not divided to conquer.