I've been reading a lot about the saucer called the sport model and the propulsion system that John & Bob described. Thought I'd give it a go and see if I could model a full size version. This is the first pass and definitely not finished. Tell me what ya think!
Peace 8)
Rock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykt1wPIZC8A
Sgt,
Don't know if its my computer, or if i am missing a flash plug in or something, but I am unable to see anything ! :-\
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on January 03, 2013, 11:00:09 PM
I've been reading a lot about the saucer called the sport model and the propulsion system that John & Bob described. Thought I'd give it a go and see if I could model a full size version. This is the first pass and definitely not finished. Tell me what ya think!
Peace 8)
Rock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykt1wPIZC8A
Don't know. Try going to my Youtube Channel 8)
Hi Sgt.
Just looked at the video on another device.
I like it.
It reminds me of tech drawing and design.
What software is it you use ?
Thanks!
I use Autocad 2011. This was just a start. I plan on detailing the whole thing.
Look forward to seeing your progress.
I thought Autocad would have taken a bit of training to learn...and may be expensive..
Are you a Draughtsman or Engineering designer ? or self taught ?
or is it relatively easy to use.
I recall on one forum someone manufacturing small models of the sports model in some form of metal...either Aluminium or stainless steel !
I've been a Cad designer for over 30 years. Trained as a piping designer, first job was Cad self taught. I think it's pretty easy to learn. Autocad retail is around $4000.00
That's interesting if you have been in that for 30 yrs....
Now you may become a Saucer designer ....It something that many would like to be !
:-\
I wasn't sure if you were a Sgt in the Army ( Maybe as an Engineer ) or a Rock and Roll star or all three ! :)
Yea Sgt nice work so far. I love your moon drawings you do also. Its amazing what can be done with a computer CAD program. Its one thing to look at one of NASAs blurred images of the moon but when you spply your technique to the moon and show details its awesome!!
OUTSTANDING SGT. !! ;)
"Lurker!!" My foot...LOL :P
You have seemingly had a bite of the UFO designer Bug Sgt. and it is a wonderful rendition. Love the lines, concept and over all work of the video buddy!
You need no explanation of how I view your work, but this brings you into a whole new realm of research my friend. Z's going to be at your door wanting to take a ride, as soon as PWM, LE and few others here get it built!! LOL
Can't wait too see what the Ole noggin kicks out in the near future, it only gets easier from here!! ;)
With Great Respects,
1Worldwatcher
Quote from: astr0144 on January 04, 2013, 03:52:28 AM
I wasn't sure if you were a Sgt in the Army ( Maybe as an Engineer ) or a Rock and Roll star or all three ! :)
Well I am/was all of the above. ::) A Sgt. in the Army (Intel) a wanna be engineer ::) And a RocknRoll star (in my own mind) ;)
Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on January 04, 2013, 07:26:57 AM
OUTSTANDING SGT. !! ;)
"Lurker!!" My foot...LOL :P
You have seemingly had a bite of the UFO designer Bug Sgt. and it is a wonderful rendition. Love the lines, concept and over all work of the video buddy!
You need no explanation of how I view your work, but this brings you into a whole new realm of research my friend. Z's going to be at your door wanting to take a ride, as soon as PWM, LE and few others here get it built!! LOL
Can't wait too see what the Ole noggin kicks out in the near future, it only gets easier from here!! ;)
With Great Respects,
1Worldwatcher
Well I decided to lurk for awhile then I had my heart attack and decided that hey I better get on the ball cause I might not have the time I think I have left... ;D ;)
Absolutely! understand Sgt. I had forgot to ask "Is the propulsion design you had put with in your rendering based on the Onion Propulsion Drive System?" Z has a thread dedicated to it, was very interesting concept.
(this crossed my mind after posting earlier this AM.)
1WW
First of all I haven't put in anything yet only the outer shell. I'm working on the internals right now. I'm basing my model off the rendering I found online. see below. I don't know if this is the right one to use but it's the only one I could find with dimensions.
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/a51diagram_zps9d29205a.jpg)
I'm really ignorant of all the all the aspects of PRC. Remember I'm relatively new to the game. ;D
As i stated before about being ignorant of all things PRC, I really really didn't think that I was the only one to try and model the S4 Sport Model. ::)
I did some digging and found Bob Lazar's page on the living moon site:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/12insiders/Bob_Lazar_001.html
Went further and found his official mirror site:
http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/
where I found this:
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/boblazar-website-s4_zpsc0c28fd8.jpg)
(this is a 3ds file (I assume) model of the craft from Bob's site. It was in the form of DXF which is a neutral file format that can be transferred to numerous Cad software types.)(interestingly it was in a text file format, so I just resaved it from notepad as a DXF and viola')
I then compaired it to mine:
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/Rock-S4_zps4ab80263.jpg)
Somewhat different. Mine is based off the diagram I found with dimensions. I don't know who or where the one from Bob's site came from. I'm curious to find if that's Bob's 'official' rendering that he approves of or what? I'd really like to pick his brain a little about this.
I'm at a quandary, should I continue with mine or am I just reinventing the wheel sort-of-speak? I really don't want to waste my time cause I'm playing with the Tsiolkovsky Crater at the moment.
Man this is fun! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Peace 8)
Rock
3Ds Files you say? sweet. I could insert that into my Armed Assault game and have the army try and shoot it down in a simulation. ;D
I thought I had seen the line drawing before..lol..seen so many renditions, just assumed it was all yours, though your design does vary slightly, it is the Classic UFO type.
I , too, would like too be able to ask Bob some questions. He is a very important person with in the information and the disclosure of UFO tech and the PTB having reverse engineered such technology. Great guy, no doubt, for being brave enough to give to us, the public to digest.
Z's "Hyper Drive UFO Onion Propulsion System" is more like the Bell design that has been discussed with in the conspiracy groups with the German WWII researchers, but seems as if it does portray the design somewhat Sgt. heres the Thread.
Hyper Drive-UFO Onion Drive System (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=352.0)
One will have too go through provided links to research, there is never anyone to respond to questions or answer theories involved. Dead thread really, but interesting that you seemingly found a schematic for something similar too how it is actually suppose to work.
Inventors Groups forum is so quiet, you could hear a mouse fart, PWM doesn't respond, may be busy. LE is on too something with in his research and has to devote all time to that, Back, Robomont and a few others post nothing, so we are at a stand still with in the Group. Bummer really.
Electronic engineering is no t my cup of tea, willing to learn, have read a lot, but with out a Professor, I can't make heads nor tails of what is what with in certain discussions that are way above my Pay Grade..LOL
Either way, your UFO design seems too be fine tuned compared to the original you had went by for concept, who knows, maybe someone will chime in with who did what and when. Would be cool if it was Bob's rendering, some serious hands on experience there.
With Great Respect,
1Worldwatcher
1ww
PWM is on a mission should be back on tomarrow ;)
As for myself I am learning as you are. Yes I did get a EE degree in 1990 and did some work in that field for about 6 years but it did not pay the bills. I took a job in a factory with good pay and still there. I was fine with that until I started talking to Adam Bull here he posted as 7redorbs. He got me to think out of the box about 1 1/2 year ago. In that time I have done a lot of research and a few experiments.
I am sorry if I had led you to believe that I am something that I am not. I have learned to keep my mouth shut when it comes to things that I can not 100% prove.
Bless
Back
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on January 04, 2013, 02:59:56 AM
I use Autocad 2011. This was just a start. I plan on detailing the whole thing.
So ummm when is the flight trials? :D
Great project Sarge!
As far as I know, you are working with the official dimensions drawn by Bob.
Others ones, such as the Testors model is slightly flatter than this one. You would THINK that they, if anyone would insist on getting the right dimensions.
Not only is the one you mentioned on his supposedly officially sanctioned web page flatter, so are ALL animation models included in any show about Bob, from the history channel to the discovery channel, etc.
So you bring up a very good point - will the real Bob Lazar dimensions for the craft please stand up.
I will continue to work on mine unless John or Bob tells me I'm wrong or I hear a knock on the door in the middle of the night! ::)
Rock 8)
Back Wrote:
QuoteI am sorry if I had led you to believe that I am something that I am not. I have learned to keep my mouth shut when it comes to things that I can not 100% prove.
NP Back, I was just openly stating that, as a member for years now, this is the first time I have seen a real change with in the communications of the PRC or the Y! groups being segregated from researcher too average Joe.
I am not a scientist either my friend, but have openly discussed such topics since I have been a member, I think the 'Weeding' as it were is taking effect, and th real sciences are going to be behind the scene's, I am hoping this isn't the case, but I will have too wait and see. Got a strong feeling though if you aren't a scientist with PhD, or don't practice in a lab environment, you are going to be out of the know. IMHO :-X
Sgt. Seen the New renditions of your design, they are way cool my friend. "Seems as if you got bit by the bug pretty good!!?" LOL
Can't wait until we start talking propulsion scenario's, or if you are even going down that road.
Will be waiting for the updated post's my friend, didn't see the new pictures here, so I am sure they are coming. Keep up the great work. ;)
1WW
1WW
Quote
"NP Back, I was just openly stating that, as a member for years now, this is the first time I have seen a real change with in the communications of the PRC or the Y! groups being segregated from researcher too average Joe.
I am not a scientist either my friend, but have openly discussed such topics since I have been a member, I think the 'Weeding' as it were is taking effect, and the real sciences are going to be behind the scene's, I am hoping this isn't the case, but I will have too wait and see. Got a strong feeling though if you aren't a scientist with PhD, or don't practice in a lab environment, you are going to be out of the know. IMHO"
I hope that you are incorrect. I hope that our back yard tinkering will find as much truth or more than they know. More and more people are starting to understand that "they" arnt always telling the truth.
I am motivated to seek things out for myself. I wish I was that way 30 years ago ;) So I continue my search with a few friends some that I have found here. I do hope that this search will help change things in some small way.
Bless
Back
Me too Back. ;)
Sgt. have you gave any consideration to materials or propulsion system to your design yet? I am anxious to start doing some math too propagate weight /thrust loads of such a vehicle.
Maybe a run down list of what materials you seeing this design being made of would be a great start for open discussion. Though our ability to get some other worldly materials is a far cry with finance, we can still calculate variables for the application.
Scientists have devised a way of designing their own materials by molecularly reconstructing materials by stress and tensile strengths, haven't seen any new materials being offered as the ideal one, so if you had an assumption of what materials would be the best to acquire for building, at least we can apply the math too laws of physics and variables that lie with in.
Still waiting for those new renditions, they are worthy of posting Sgt. I am a subscribe of your YT acct and Photo bucket, so got a preview my friend! Looks great! ;)
1WW
1WW, what my intentions were to duplicate Bob's S4 saucer including the propulsion system that John has shown many times on his interviews. Anything beyond that I haven't really thought about it.
And thanks for the subscription to my YT & Photobucket channels. ;D Hey I'm also on FB!.... ::)
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on January 05, 2013, 04:29:17 PM
1WW, what my intentions were to duplicate Bob's S4 saucer including the propulsion system that John has shown many times on his interviews. Anything beyond that I haven't really thought about it.
Well Sgt. it is a place I will start to see if there was anything mentioned as far as what the possibilities are of the material being used. If we can go by what your renderings indicate, then we can figure out area/weights and forces. but for the most part, it will require a bit of research, as long as we have dimensions and size, we can elaborate on that as a beginning point.
Thanks for the reply Sgt. ;)
Maybe we can get 'Z' too post a few tid bits of the 1azar concept as too what the materials were, I know he has access too such details, but will research on my own until that happens, after all, 'Z' is kicking the tires and wanting to light the fires, he wants one of these bad boy's!! LOL As do I . ;)
QuoteAnd thanks for the subscription to my YT & Photobucket channels. ;D
NP Sgt. I would be a fool for not subscribing to your talents, especially with in the interests I have of the topic. You basically paint a very valid picture of what the minds eye has too interpret as what it is you see when you render. Great stuff, always want too be informed my friend.
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on January 03, 2013, 11:00:09 PM
I've been reading a lot about the saucer called the sport model and the propulsion system that John & Bob described. Thought I'd give it a go and see if I could model a full size version. This is the first pass and definitely not finished. Tell me what ya think!
Peace 8)
Rock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykt1wPIZC8A
The correct measurements are 52' in diameter 16.5' high.
The seats are 120 apart all facing the arch.
All the best.
Quote from: johnlear on January 06, 2013, 03:20:21 AM
The correct measurements are 52' in diameter 16.5' high.
The seats are 120 apart all facing the arch.
The 25' figure came from an estimate Bob made until he came across the Billy Meier photo which he says was identical to the one he was in.
All the best.
What arch are you talking about John? The diagram I was working from didn't show any seats. How many seats? Do you know exactly how many windows are on the upper level? 6 maybe?
BTW It's really good to hear from you.
Ps... any additional info you could provide would be a great help.
Rock....
Since John posted this morning, I went back and re-read the info on the Bob Lazar site and it sits closer to what John posted. Seeing how I'm not adding anything new to this much discussed topic, I've decided to terminate this work and move on to something else. Sorry....
Rock....
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on January 06, 2013, 02:26:26 PM
Since John posted this morning, I went back and re-read the info on the Bob Lazar site and it sits closer to what John posted. Seeing how I'm not adding anything new to this much discussed topic, I've decided to terminate this work and move on to something else. Sorry....
Rock....
Hi Sgt.
Would this be due too redundancy of the topic or is this more to do with Plagiarisms of the design? I know you closed this thread, but have been busting my arse off trying to get essential information of everything from EG/EMF and AG too acclimate with in ideologies of design and propulsions. ;)
I respect your wishes Sgt. would kind of like to know why you put the cab-bash on it. Thanks A head of time.
P.S. You can PM me the answer if you would like Sgt.
With Greatest Respects,
1Worldwatcher
Edit too add: Text
1WW, this had more to do with me reinventing the wheel here. I should have read Bob's site in it's entirety before I started this. After John's post about the saucer dimensions and the arch, I decided that the diagram I was using might be suspect or incomplete. It was the first one I saw with actual dimensions on it and being a graphic sort guy, I jumped in blindly. I then went back and reread everyting, saw the models, videos and decided that I was really wasting my time. Although whoever modeled Bob's saucer did a nice professional job, the dxf download of the model was inaccurate in size. But I believe that's not enough to spend all the time hunting down info and modeling.
Sorry
Rock 8)
OK Thanks Sgt. ;) Look forward to your next project. 8)
1WW
As far as i'm aware, the diagrams are from Bob's description, i've never seen a 'real' plan.
don't knock youself Rock, it's a nice design, looks a bit like some of the 'nazi' ufo's 8)
I guess the only way to see if it's a good design or not would be to make a model & put it in a wind tunnel.......
Autocad is a complex program, got it here but never used it, too many damned icons ;D
I agree about the icons. I'm a keyboard artist at heart. I avoid the I one as much as possible. As far as the ship is concerned, from what John posted and the model on Bob's site there's too little difference to justify the effort.