http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/nasa-curiosity-rover-finds-flower-surface-mars-220649001.html
Notice the reference to ATS. The Mainstream Media are shifting.....
Hello Eighthman,
I have heard the other site mentioned numerous times, but I don't think they (Y! News) is doing this for disclosure, they are trying to warrant lunacy with in such forums.
QuoteNew Jersey-based journalist and photographer Ken Kramer has assembled the Curiosity photographs, adding color to give a realistic view of what the rover is seeing on the planet's surface.
And then the Site poster:
QuoteBut what has really caught people's attention is a raw image from NASA's photo feed that one reader on Above Top Secret has called a "Martian flower." On the posting, the commenter going by the name "Arken," writes: "The Albedo (or Reflectivity of Sun Light) of this object is very high, and its translucent appearance, the irregular conformation (like pistils) and the 'texture' of its wider areas is smooth, and seem that it is ground attached. This is the SECOND TRANSLUCENT ANOMALY detected by Curiosity in Gale Crater."
Now whats being discussed about it:
QuoteThese folks are so hopeful to find any sign of life or water on Mars or anyplace else in the Universe, they will conjecture that almost anything is one of those signs. Whether it's more of the anti creationism crowd hopeful to disprove God or real science, no one but those who put forth these hopeful theories knows.
It is not too give due credit for insight as one may think, it is too devalue anything Conspiracy related with such notions.
QuoteAnother Blogger comment:
It's almost certainly a crystalline formation... common enough here on Earth.. but I'm sure that won't stop the conspiracy theorists :-)
MSM isn't coming around too accredit such things being deliberated with in such forums, they are discrediting them with the statement as sheer lunacy.
Either way, it is cool too have your website mentioned none the less, too bad it is too lay credence to the redundancy of the topic at all.
IMHO ;)
1WW
First, they ignore them completely.
Stage two, they cite them but with dismissal and ridicule
Third, they cite them but call them redundant
Finally, they cite them favorably.
Progress is slow.
Either that or ATS has been "cleansed" enough and bent over to corporate masters enough that They will "legitimize Them now...
That's where MY bet is.
Quote from: Amaterasu on January 06, 2013, 12:39:45 AM
Either that or ATS has been "cleansed" enough and bent over to corporate masters enough that They will "legitimize Them now...
That's where MY bet is.
In Portugal we call that "dor de cotovelo" (elbow pain). ;D
Everyone seems to think that the images posted by
nasa as rover raw images were taken on mars. I think
a little closer to home, like maybe northern Chili..I
would post an image to back up my opinion, but do not
have that capability from pegasus.
Quote from: 08rubicon on January 06, 2013, 03:30:19 AM
Everyone seems to think that the images posted by
nasa as rover raw images were taken on mars. I think
a little closer to home, like maybe northern Chili..
I don't think it looks like Chile or like any other place on Earth.
QuoteI would post an image to back up my opinion, but do not have that capability from pegasus.
Upload the image to a site like Imageshack or Photobucket and post the link on Pegasus. That's what I do. :)
ArMap Wrote:
QuoteI don't think it looks like Chile or like any other place on Earth.
Can you elaborate on this ArMap? I understand what you are saying, and know you have quite an understanding of the Mars surface anomalies, but am curious as too why this 'Couldn't' be a place on the Earth.
Just getting more educated here ArMap, would like too know how one tells the difference. ;)
1WW
Looks like a crystal formation to me as well.
I pulled the photo, made a 79Mb bitmap from it, & copied this part of it.
Sorry it's the best i can do with the Neolithic software i have here ;)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/ODD/flower5.JPG)
I will admit it looks like crystal formation PWM, but does this mean it is not earth oriented? I am a but confused with shape size and color, but am not a gemologist as it were...LOL
Nice too see you back PWM, missed ya partner!! ;)
1WW
Hi Bill :) took some time out for family stuff, everything's as good as it can be, i guess.
As for this being a pic from Earth (i'm guessing that's what is being asked here?) i couldn't say. The colour looks like your typical NASA mars shot, but then they could all have been filtered, etc. So we are none the wiser.
I've seen plenty of crystal formations on Earth like this, like the quartz formations i saw in Scotland, got a pic here somewhere....
I would sure hesitate to call it a 'flower' though. ::)
You see all those video's of tiny blue creatures being run over by the Rover on YooToob?
Titles like 'Nasa Murders New Life Forms Discovered on Mars' LOL
I wonder if that's the reason the people in Avatar were blue?
A subtle joke on the part of Hollywood maybe?
ETA; My 'A' key is dying,that's bad news....
Go to www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl find and click
on 'raw images'..scrole down and click on 'mast cam'..
scrole down and click on 'sol 118'..click on and expand
image '2012-12-05 11:48:42 (1 st. image)..notice on
left side of image power wiring cut off and held in place
with string ? Look on right side and notice two metal
tubes broken off with cut off wiring attached..Do not
think this machine will function.This image is a self
image of the rover on mars, according to nasa..
Dang, you're right 08R 8)
Sawn-off wires, 2 pipes broken on the right, something was obviously ripped from that black block....
Also on the plate in the middle there are 2 clean areas round the bolt holes, while the rest has a layer of dust on it.
looks like the Martians needed some parts :D
Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on January 06, 2013, 03:52:24 PM
Can you elaborate on this ArMap? I understand what you are saying, and know you have quite an understanding of the Mars surface anomalies, but am curious as too why this 'Couldn't' be a place on the Earth.
I didn't say it "couldn't" be a place on Earth. :)
I cannot really explain what I notice on the photos that makes me think "this one is from Earth" or "this one is from Mars", but I think it's related to the difference in wind erosion. We know that Mars has dust storms and dust devils, something we also have on Earth, but probably because of the less dense atmosphere, things on Mars do not look as eroded as they do on Earth, we see more sharp edges on Mars rocks than we see on similar locations on Earth.
Even in locations like this, that was supposed to have been a lake bed (or something similar), we can see some rounded pebbles, resulting from being rolled by the water (or whatever that lake had), but we don't see the wind erosion results that have been active since the lake dried up. We can also see that in many places there are what I would call "puddles" of dust, something rarely seen on Earth, as the wind blows it away and only the coarser sand and pebbles remain.
I hope that makes sense. :)
Quote from: 08rubicon on January 06, 2013, 05:26:20 PM
Look on right side and notice two metal
tubes broken off with cut off wiring attached..Do not
think this machine will function.This image is a self
image of the rover on mars, according to nasa..
That's true, it looks like something was removed from the rover, but that doesn't mean that the whole rover would not function.
It's like when someone steals the radio from a car an leaves all the wiring hanging: the car still works. :)
But good job spotting it.
Thanks ArMap, it does explain, I am aware of erosion facilitated decaying as well, as for the puddle explanation that goes.
That Rover has been 'Jacked'!! LOL Wonder why that is the way it is, you would think that with the technology involved, would be a considerably tight ship.
1WW
shouldnt there be reports of the damage from initial startup?
if the report is from the first few days after landing,then i could kinda trust it.
if the report came in later than that,then nasa is scamming the public and need to be charged with fraud.
i would think heads would role over any damage to a rover.maybe folks at nasa are more lenient towards their colleages than average americans.
notice how the msm doesnt carry rover stories very often,like its a scam.
there should be new discoveries coming out daily but all we hear is mumbling.
I think we have found something very significant here.
You would not get sawn-off cables like that, hell i wouldn't have it on one of my 'final designs' LOL and if it was an 'accident' thing, the cables would be ripped apart, not sawn-off.
Did NASA remove some item at the last minute?
I find that hard to believe, something stinks, and it isn't the scotch eggs i had today.....
;D
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/ODD/curiosity2.JPG)
Very fishy indeed!
This is typical of NASA, even a pic of their own bloody robot raises more questions than answers....
???
Took a while , but think I found what caused the cut lines in the picture:
QuoteThe Mars Science Laboratory will arrive at Mars on the late evening of Aug. 5 into the early morning of Aug. 6, careening into the atmosphere at 13,000 MPH. During the descent, it will shed its heat shield and deploy a parachute capable of surviving supersonic speeds. Once it's about 500 feet above the surface, the fun begins — rocket engines fire up to slow it down, gently lowering the Curiosity rover onto the surface. Once its wheels touch the ground, the hovercraft snips its umbilical cord and flies away to a crash landing.
So, it may be the remnants of where the hover craft snipped the umbilical chord after descent.
1WW
This is a very good thought..However, it seems like a
rather crude method of seperating hydraulic, air, or
electrical connections..A break-away connection
might have been safer for the rest of the unit. A
connection such as used by trailer brake air lines,or
farm implement hydraulic lines..
Though cutting the lines may have been more
positive, though riskey..
Quote from: 08rubicon on January 06, 2013, 10:39:13 PM
This is a very good thought..However, it seems like a
rather crude method of seperating hydraulic, air, or
electrical connections..A break-away connection
might have been safer for the rest of the unit. A
connection such as used by trailer brake air lines,or
farm implement hydraulic lines..
Though cutting the lines may have been more
positive, though riskey..
Pig tail coupling system would have been really dangerous, good for tractor trailer/Tractor wagon/equipment, not descent at 13K mi PHR.
Makes perfect sense too me.
It was triggered by descent fall and pressures, Cable length and time, was preplanned that way, Sky crane was the first used, so really significant for first time success.
1WW
Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on January 06, 2013, 09:39:07 PM
Took a while , but think I found what caused the cut lines in the picture:
So, it may be the remnants of where the hover craft snipped the umbilical chord after descent.
1WW
I'm guessing that does not explain the dust-free areas around the bolt holes... Just sayin'.
Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on January 05, 2013, 03:22:52 PM
I have heard the other site mentioned numerous times, but I don't think they (Y! News) is doing this for disclosure, they are trying to warrant lunacy with in such forums.
No its not for disclosure its all about the links for cash. I have been studying it and trying my hand at it. Seems its easy to get paid to ad a simple link to one simple word on any page. Most people wouldn't even pay attention to it but robots know it's there.
And now that I see just how much that can be worth, wow ATS makes a KILLING :P
But I did see it was our buddy Arken that was the poster :D I think he was registered here before the meltdown... maybe someone can pop over there and invite him back?
Still looks wierd to me, there are any number of 'quick release' systems for cables & pipes. It still sounds wierd that they would cut the cables like that. What did they cut it with? Did they have a cutting mechanism on board?
Over the top, IMO, when you could have a simple explosive bolt or solenoid that would be much smaller (lighter) & work just as well....
It still looks to me like they removed something at the last minute & didn't have time to remove/ tidy up the wiring.
Very shoddy work ::)
ATS pages take forever to load, due to all the animated ads & G**gle sh*t on the pages, it takes ages to read a thread there now ::)
Like i said, there's nothing wrong with a small ad or banner, but i don't want to have to wait 3 minutes for each page to load on this forum......
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on January 07, 2013, 01:41:11 PM
ATS pages take forever to load, due to all the animated ads & G**gle sh*t on the pages, it takes ages to read a thread there now ::)
I don't have any problems with load speed, and I am on the other side of the Atlantic.
But Pegasus is faster. :)